| jam | dimitern: Good morinng! I'm in the hangout whenever you want to join | 07:28 |
|---|---|---|
| dimitern | jam, morning, i'm just about to open it :) | 07:28 |
| rogpeppe | mornin' all | 09:03 |
| dimitern | morning ;) | 09:04 |
| drj11 | morning morty | 09:13 |
| jam | dimitern: you might want to check your Spam folder. BTSTravel successfully booked the flight, but the email with itinerary got flagged as spam. | 09:19 |
| dimitern | hmm | 09:20 |
| jam | And google, at least, thinks emails with attachments from bts are spam | 09:20 |
| dimitern | jam, thanks, I'll have a look | 09:20 |
| jam | " We've found that lots of messages from btstravel.be are spam. " | 09:20 |
| dimitern | jam, nope, i've just got a reply | 09:20 |
| dimitern | jam, she'll book it soon | 09:20 |
| jam | dimitern: I get direct emails from them, but not emails including the itinerary. You may need to check once its booked :) | 09:21 |
| dimitern | jam, will do :) | 09:21 |
| * fwereade is having further happy fun electricity times | 09:34 | |
| TheMue | fwereade: heya | 09:35 |
| TheMue | fwereade: have you been able to talk to rogpeppe about his approach? | 09:35 |
| fwereade | TheMue, yeah, he convinced me, please confer with him | 09:41 |
| rogpeppe | TheMue: i'm in a sprint this week, but i should be able to get a few moments here and there to help | 09:41 |
| dimitern | fwereade, if you have a moment, https://codereview.appspot.com/53210044 fixes bug 1067979 | 09:42 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1067979: race: concurrent charm deployments corrupts deployments <deploy> <race-condition> <test-needed> <juju-core:In Progress by dimitern> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067979> | 09:42 |
| fwereade | dimitern, awesome, I will try | 09:42 |
| fwereade | everyone, however, we've got to open up a wall and figure out if there's something that'll burn the house down in there | 09:42 |
| fwereade | so my presence this morning at least is likely to be random and fleeting | 09:43 |
| * dimitern is afk for a while | 09:43 | |
| * fwereade grumbles | 09:43 | |
| TheMue | rogpeppe: ok, much is already in your branch, so I can use it, especially with the noted todos. in case of questions I simply try to reach you | 09:44 |
| TheMue | rogpeppe: where is the sprint? | 09:45 |
| rogpeppe | TheMue: london | 09:45 |
| TheMue | rogpeppe: nice, would like to go there too. only been once in london, in heathrow for 3h :D | 09:45 |
| rogpeppe | TheMue: i'm not that keen on london :-) | 09:47 |
| TheMue | rogpeppe: would like to do some sightseeing but surely not live | 09:49 |
| cgz | prerecorded sightseeing would be boring... | 09:53 |
| cgz | all the canned laughter... | 09:53 |
| TheMue | cgz: what is "prerecorded sightseeing"? | 10:01 |
| cgz | TheMue: I was poking you a little about the idea of 'live' being as in live television, rather than as in to reside :P | 10:04 |
| cgz | jam: 1:1 on g+? | 10:04 |
| jam | hey cgz, sure | 10:05 |
| jam | cgz: in the weekly one, or in the 1:1 ? | 10:05 |
| jam | sorry, in the weekly calendar 1:1 or in the daily standup hangout? | 10:06 |
| cgz | the daily will do | 10:06 |
| jam | cgz: I'm there | 10:06 |
| TheMue | cgz: hehe, ok, fought with my lack of knowledge of the english language | 10:07 |
| jam | TheMue: they're pronounced differently, but spelled the same | 10:09 |
| jam | short 'i' vs long 'i' | 10:10 |
| TheMue | jam: maybe we should write phonetics here ;) | 10:10 |
| jam | TheMue: english would be much better if it was phonetical | 10:11 |
| TheMue | jam: same problem here. and my younger daughter fights with it even more while learning japanese | 10:13 |
| jam | TheMue: Chinese is just as bad: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?pid=105992 | 10:14 |
| TheMue | jam: *iirks* | 10:15 |
| jam | TheMue: listen to the audio, it is pretty amazing | 10:16 |
| rogpeppe | anyone got an opinion on the best way to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1273169 ? | 10:40 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1273169: bootstrap: error from apt-get update is uninformative <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273169> | 10:40 |
| rogpeppe | two immediate possibilities spring to mind, but perhaps there's a better idea | 10:41 |
| * fwereade waves at meebey | 10:41 | |
| jam | fwereade: rogpeppe: standup? | 10:48 |
| jam | dimitern_: a quick thought. if you change how charm archives are named in storage, it would be good to keep the charm name in there. (so charm-123-UUID, or somethnig like that) otherwise pure UUID/SHA256 hashes are really meaningless if you ever just listed your storage | 12:07 |
| vds | anyone can help me in understanding what's happening: https://pastebin.canonical.com/103609/ ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6825878/ | 12:13 |
| dimitern_ | jam, that's a fair point | 12:17 |
| dimitern_ | vds, if you're using 1.16, this is a known issue with the simple streams format | 12:20 |
| jam | vds: if you're using --upload-tools, it expects to find a 'jujud' in the same directory as the 'juju' | 12:20 |
| jam | dimitern_: that would be 1.17, actually (I'm pretty sure) | 12:20 |
| dimitern_ | jam, ah, ok | 12:20 |
| jam | 1.16 didn't go for streams..../juju | 12:20 |
| dimitern_ | right! | 12:21 |
| vds | dimitern_, hello, for what I can see, it's there: /home/vds/canonical/bin/juju /home/vds/canonical/bin/jujud | 12:21 |
| vds | dimitern_, is it ok that https://streams.canonical.com/juju returns a 404? | 12:22 |
| vds | if I hit it with a browser? | 12:22 |
| dimitern_ | vds, actually, I'm not that into simplestreams stuff myself | 12:23 |
| dimitern_ | vds, but if you're trying to bootstrap from source with --upload-tools it should work, as long as your GOPATH and other Go stuff is in the right place | 12:24 |
| jam | vds: it won't "real soon now' but it is expected right now | 12:24 |
| jam | well, the code didn't expect it, but we're fixing ithat | 12:24 |
| vds | dimitern_, once everything is compile, does GOPATH still matters? | 12:25 |
| vds | in any case, the GOPATH is fine, the same command used to work on Thu and it is broken since Fri. | 12:26 |
| vds | jam, I was running an older revno, now I'm on trunk and I still get the same issue, I was wondering if it's just me or that bootstrap is broken. | 12:27 |
| jam | vds: if you're running from source, you probably ran "go build" in the source tree, you need to run "go install" and run it from where jujud is next to juju (I believe | 12:28 |
| dimitern_ | vds, have you tried not giving --series=... ? | 12:28 |
| vds | jam, yep, did that | 12:29 |
| dimitern_ | vds, I have this handy little script to rebuild the binaries | 12:29 |
| dimitern_ | vds, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6825937/ | 12:29 |
| vds | dimitern_, yes, it works, but I need trusty, how else do I do it? | 12:29 |
| dimitern_ | vds, default-series: trusty? | 12:30 |
| dimitern_ | in env.yaml | 12:30 |
| dimitern_ | vds, if you're on trusty, --upload-tools automagically uploads the tools in both "default-series" and your current series | 12:31 |
| vds | dimitern_, I'm on saucy, but the charm I'm trying to test requires trusty, I've changed the default in env.yaml, let's see if it works :) | 12:32 |
| * dimitern_ needs to step away for and hour or so | 12:52 | |
| fwereade | vds, I think you need a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1217397 | 12:52 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1217397: image-stream configuration option for openstack provider <config> <openstack-provider> <juju-core:In Progress by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217397> | 12:52 |
| fwereade | vds, ian's working on it | 12:53 |
| fwereade | vds, (or, you don't necessarily need it, but you'd need to generate your own image metadata and set image-metadata-url) | 12:53 |
| vds | fwereade thanks for the info | 13:16 |
| === gary_poster|away is now known as gary_poster | ||
| vds | any known issues with juju debug-log, I'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826178/ | 13:29 |
| TheMue | vds: local provider? in that case debug-log doesn't work (yet) | 13:32 |
| vds | TheMue, OpenStack | 13:32 |
| TheMue | vds: in that case it's strange, hmm | 13:33 |
| TheMue | vds: current debug-log makes a ssh connect to the state server and tails the mentioned file | 13:34 |
| vds | TheMue, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826243/ | 13:41 |
| TheMue | vds: hmm, I'm stunning | 13:46 |
| TheMue | vds: it is set in the syslog config | 13:48 |
| TheMue | vds: it seems this is missing. troubles during bootstrapping? | 13:48 |
| vds | TheMue, not that I can see, and it happens all the time, I'm using juju-core trunk | 13:52 |
| TheMue | vds: what do you see in /etc/rsyslog.d on the state server? | 13:55 |
| vds | TheMue, /etc/rsyslog.d/25-juju.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826312/ | 13:57 |
| TheMue | vds: looks right *headshaking* | 13:59 |
| TheMue | vds: and rsyslogd is running? | 14:01 |
| vds | TheMue, yep | 14:05 |
| TheMue | vds: could be interesting would happens if you restart it, but that's not the idea behind it | 14:06 |
| vds | TheMue, not much | 14:08 |
| TheMue | vds: sadly I'm reaching my limits now | 14:11 |
| vds | TheMue, thanks :) | 14:11 |
| vds | TheMue, I wonder if that happens just to me, I'm bootstrapping a trusty machine, that's it, nothing strange | 14:12 |
| TheMue | vds: never tested it on trusty so far | 14:13 |
| jamespage | fwereade, hey - just repro'ed that issue I was taking about last week when tearing down environments | 14:33 |
| jamespage | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826470/ | 14:33 |
| fwereade | jamespage, cool, thanks; remind me, was there already a bug for that? | 14:40 |
| * jamespage digs | 14:41 | |
| jamespage | fwereade, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1244807 | 14:42 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1244807: juju-deployer teardown fails due to hook errors <destroy-service> <theme-oil> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244807> | 14:42 |
| fwereade | jamespage, gaah, found the bug | 14:43 |
| fwereade | jamespage, thanks | 14:43 |
| vds | TheMue, btw: when I bootstrap I get a lot of lines like: ERROR TLS handshake failed: EOF | 14:52 |
| TheMue | vds: only when bootstrapping trusty? | 14:58 |
| vds | thedac, well, so far that's what I'm bootstrapping. | 14:59 |
| fwereade | rogpeppe, natefinch, dimitern_: anyone recognise http://paste.ubuntu.com/6826597/ -- I seem to be seeing it 100% of the time on trunk | 15:03 |
| === arosales_ is now known as arosales | ||
| natefinch | fwereade: sorry, was afk. I haven't seen that one. | 15:41 |
| fwereade | natefinch, can you repro? it's possible I'm doing something dense | 15:42 |
| natefinch | fwereade: checking | 15:44 |
| natefinch | gah, I wish bzr switch would warn me that I have uncommitted changes that'll get merged into the new branch and screw everything up | 15:46 |
| fwereade | natefinch, ouch, sorry :( | 15:49 |
| natefinch | it's ok, luckily fairly segregated changes. | 15:49 |
| natefinch | fwereade: go test ./... from worker/uniter passes for me | 15:52 |
| natefinch | fwereade: on trunk | 15:52 |
| natefinch | fwereade: oops, noticed that's not where you were testing | 15:53 |
| natefinch | fwereade: launchpad.net/juju-core/state/apiserver/uniter also passes for me | 15:54 |
| fwereade | natefinch, thanks for confirming | 15:54 |
| sinzui | nate_finch, CI consistently sees an error that I think is in the machine, not the test or juju | 17:04 |
| sinzui | ERROR juju.cmd supercommand.go:294 cannot use 37019 as state port, already in use | 17:04 |
| sinzui | ^ How do I smack mongodb to be in a pristine state | 17:05 |
| nate_finch | sinzui: you should remove the default mongo upstart script.... though that should be on 27019 | 17:06 |
| sinzui | nate_finch, 37019 is the port juju says it wants to use | 17:06 |
| nate_finch | sinzui: oh wait, mongo is 27017 ... hmm | 17:08 |
| nate_finch | sinzui: remnants from an old test that died? | 17:08 |
| sinzui | possibly | 17:08 |
| nate_finch | check for instances of mongo and kill them mercilessly | 17:08 |
| nate_finch | also some of the tests create folders called /tmp/mongo-test* (typing from memory, but something like that) | 17:09 |
| nate_finch | mgo-test I think | 17:09 |
| nate_finch | those should get blown away, if only to maintain disk space | 17:09 |
| sinzui | I killed mongodb, but I juju still complains about the port in use | 17:10 |
| sinzui | WTF, netstat says it is there, but ps says there is no mongodb | 17:12 |
| sinzui | I see some progress and killing the proc that was restarted | 17:13 |
| nate_finch | sinzui: it's almost certainly a port getting stuck from mongo, but not sure why it wouldn't be freed up when you killed mongo | 17:17 |
| sinzui | I have bootstrapped with 1.17.1 \o/ | 17:17 |
| sinzui | I cannot destroy-environment though. Looks like the command no longer honors JUJU_HOME | 17:18 |
| sinzui | there will never be a .juju dir | 17:18 |
| nate_finch | huh weird | 17:19 |
| vds | could you please tell me where am I supposed to find the logs of a subordinate charm? they don't appear in machine-XXX.log nor in unit-MAINCHARM-0.log | 17:20 |
| cgz | https://codereview.appspot.com/56560043 is ready, really I want Andrew to look at it when he comes on, because I don't understand why localStorage is so complex in the first place | 18:12 |
| cgz | I'm off now, later! | 18:12 |
| * thumper tries to remember details around structure equality in golang | 20:57 | |
| nate_finch | thumper: gotta be careful, since it depends on whats in the structure (i.e., if it has a map, you can't do it) | 20:58 |
| thumper | nate_finch: it is a struct with three strings | 20:58 |
| thumper | nate_finch: http://play.golang.org/p/e3O_2dSfgC | 20:59 |
| thumper | nate_finch: different values, but same contents | 20:59 |
| thumper | yes you need to be careful... | 20:59 |
| * thumper thinks he has this... | 20:59 | |
| nate_finch | yeah, comparing pointers is rarely what you want | 21:01 |
| === nate_finch is now known as natefinch | ||
| thumper | natefinch: I was thinking back to how equality works in C++ | 21:03 |
| thumper | member-wise comparison by default | 21:03 |
| thumper | which is kinda like this | 21:03 |
| thumper | obviously two maps are going to be two different maps | 21:03 |
| thumper | and it isn't going to check content | 21:03 |
| thumper | is that right? | 21:03 |
| natefinch | thumper: right.... well, they could be the same map, but they probably aren't | 21:04 |
| * thumper nods | 21:04 | |
| thumper | if they are the same map, is it equal? | 21:04 |
| thumper | yes | 21:04 |
| natefinch | thumper: I think go just smacks you if you try | 21:05 |
| thumper | haha | 21:05 |
| thumper | return errors.New("don't do that" | 21:05 |
| thumper | ) | 21:05 |
| thumper | natefinch: I have a new go project | 21:05 |
| thumper | natefinch: which I've not started yet | 21:06 |
| thumper | natefinch: got a few minutes for a hangout? | 21:06 |
| natefinch | thumper: sure | 21:06 |
| thumper | natefinch: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpi448v94dmmna9rmctckokk?hl=en | 21:07 |
| natefinch | thumper: prog.go:14: invalid operation: c == b (struct containing map[string]string cannot be compared) | 21:08 |
| natefinch | thumper: http://play.golang.org/p/DfJsb1AIMT | 21:52 |
| thumper | natefinch: ta | 21:52 |
| thumper | natefinch: similar in some idea... | 21:53 |
| thumper | natefinch: I'll see if I have some time to hack some stuff later | 21:53 |
| natefinch | thumper: cool | 21:54 |
| wallyworld | thumper: hiya, do you know that status of the 1.17 release? | 21:56 |
| thumper | wallyworld: nope | 21:56 |
| thumper | stuck I think | 21:56 |
| wallyworld | i saw a bug that was assigned to 1.17.1 moved to 1.17.2 | 21:56 |
| wallyworld | i had that work committed last last week | 21:56 |
| wallyworld | maybe a 1.17.1 is being rolled out taking a rev prior to the local provider changes | 21:57 |
| * thumper shrugs | 22:01 | |
| wallyworld | thumper: at the moment, i'm working on allowing generic support for non-released images in simplestreams - previously azure supported a hard coded approach. it's a little messy due to inconsistent url path conventions. sigh. more work than i thought, and more testing also | 22:05 |
| wallyworld | william wants this for thursday | 22:05 |
| thumper | wallyworld: I thought you weren't working today | 22:06 |
| wallyworld | well, i am somewhat | 22:06 |
| wallyworld | i may have to be afk a little tomorrow morning for lachie's first day of school | 22:06 |
| * thumper nods | 22:06 | |
| wallyworld | plus i want to get this stuff done. it's on my mind | 22:07 |
| * thumper wants an event bus inside juju-core | 22:40 | |
| * thumper signs | 22:40 | |
| thumper | perhaps one day | 22:40 |
| * thumper resists the temptation to write one for this test | 22:40 | |
| davecheney | yo dog, i put an event bus inside juju, so you could wait for events, while waiting for events | 22:51 |
| davecheney | #pleasemakeitstop | 22:51 |
| thumper | :) | 22:52 |
| wallyworld | thumper: i think someone said there was a go pubsub project somewhere? in our copious free time, let's plug it in | 23:07 |
| hazmat | wallyworld, nsq | 23:38 |
| hazmat | different operational semantics than what we want for juju, at least once instead of at most | 23:38 |
| wallyworld | hazmat: i wasn't going to do it :-) | 23:45 |
| wallyworld | but i do think our event substrate is broken somewhat | 23:45 |
| hazmat | wallyworld, how so? | 23:53 |
| hazmat | wallyworld, i agree fwiw, but curious your reasons | 23:53 |
| wallyworld | hazmat: hard to explain in detail over irc. but a couple of things. 1. we notify of changes but then make the recipients all poll back to get the changes. so stampeding herd problem and race condition | 23:55 |
| wallyworld | 2. we don't mux/demux notifications to recipients | 23:55 |
| hazmat | wallyworld, yup that's the same nutshell. moving the pub/sub to the api layer would help.. non composable db transactions as observation feed aren't ideal. | 23:55 |
| wallyworld | so send a lot more round trips than we need | 23:55 |
| hazmat | actually that's a little different but also good | 23:56 |
| wallyworld | i agree somewhat with backend issues you mention. but think we can model around that | 23:56 |
| wallyworld | generally, any polling based system doesn't scale well | 23:56 |
| hazmat | wallyworld, the notify of change, and fetch change actually helps solve some races as well, its fairly tried and true for state based changes as opposed to event queue work | 23:56 |
| wallyworld | depends. i've also seen the opposite. i guess it related to ovrall system architecture | 23:57 |
| hazmat | the herd is a bit worse than that, since its baked into the charm model. | 23:57 |
| wallyworld | oh :-( | 23:57 |
| hazmat | svc a 1k units related to svc b's 1 unit.. .. svc b changes. | 23:58 |
| wallyworld | having arrived late to juju-core, i do get the feeling scalability wasn't up front in the design considerations | 23:58 |
| wallyworld | or as important as perhaps it might have been | 23:58 |
| wallyworld | cause "we'll solve it later wen needed" sorta can lead to design that's hard to change | 23:59 |
| hazmat | there was a lot resistance to event mq models in favor of state observation models | 23:59 |
| wallyworld | they don't have to be mutually exclusive | 23:59 |
| hazmat | true | 23:59 |
| wallyworld | eg events can be used to communicate the model state at the time the event was published | 23:59 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!