[00:00] <ahoneybun_> nothing new
[00:00] <yofel> right
[00:02] <ahoneybun_> quazip does not exist in 0.6
[00:02] <ahoneybun_> 0.7
[00:02] <yofel> right, that's packaged seperately now. So you can remove the obsolete file entries
[00:03] <yofel> I think you removed too much
[00:03] <yofel> ah ok
[00:04] <ahoneybun_> those two
[00:04] <yofel> right, as in the quazip lines
[00:04] <yofel> wait
[00:04] <yofel> qxt is still ther
[00:04] <yofel> e
[00:06] <yofel> hm ok
[00:06] <yofel> maybe not
[00:07]  * yofel only checked for qxt, not that specific subfolder
[00:07] <yofel> yay, BSD :D
[00:09] <yofel> ok, wait
[00:09] <yofel> we got to the point that we're looking at a license we haven't checked yet
[00:09] <yofel> so it's worth to again let licensecheck run over it
[00:10] <yofel> and voila, we have a bunch of BSD files
[00:12] <yofel> that's what you were looking for I believe
[00:14] <ahoneybun_> nothing for that
[00:14] <yofel> usually means the files were removed
[00:16] <ahoneybun_> breakpad is there
[00:16] <yofel> lets do a full search
[00:16] <yofel> uh huh
[00:17] <yofel> ok, files still there, licensecheck just can't read them :/
[00:18] <ahoneybun_> so the Uni of Cal is good
[00:18] <yofel> yes
[00:20] <ahoneybun_> nothing new from google
[00:20] <yofel> right
[00:21] <yofel> we're not done with bsd
[00:22] <yofel> you checked the already documented ones, nothing new?
[00:26] <ahoneybun_> I'll double check to see if that is all the files in that dir
[00:26] <yofel> good catch :)
[00:27] <yofel> it's in fact not, but you can list it like that, and later make an exception for 2 files
[00:27] <ahoneybun_> show me the exception way
[00:28] <yofel> there's 2 files shown as UNKNOWN
[00:28] <yofel> (*no copyright* can be ignored)
[00:29] <yofel> that is... pretty much LGPL-2.1+ IIRC
[00:29] <yofel> so you can put those 2 files into the LGPL-2.1+ section together with the nokia copyright
[00:29] <yofel> and leave the wildcard for the bsd files
[00:30] <yofel> ahoneybun_: I fear I'll have to leave you here, it's half past one in the morning and I've got work tomorrow :/
[00:30] <ahoneybun_> of course!
[00:30] <yofel> maybe someone else could help too, otherwise we'll continue tomorrow
[00:30] <yofel> gn :)
[00:31] <ahoneybun_> ok gn too
[00:31] <ahoneybun_> :)
[04:56] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1241540] kubuntu 13.10 keyboard don't work in de, after login... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241540 (by marcobra (Marco Braida))
[07:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:58] <apachelogger> so much mailery :S
[07:59] <apachelogger> morning lordievader
[07:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you in the past yet?
[08:00] <lordievader> 2Hey apachelogger, how are you doing?
[08:00] <apachelogger> drowning in bug mails I am xD
[08:02] <lordievader> Swim harder! Shoot the bugs!
[08:10] <apachelogger> bug 1272680
[08:10] <apachelogger> wasn't this possible at some point :O
[08:10] <valorie> I never tried
[08:10] <valorie> listen in Amarok, burn in k3b
[08:11] <apachelogger> well, there is a play track context menu entry
[08:11] <valorie> interesting
[08:11] <apachelogger> and I do definitely remember having a play button at some point
[08:11] <apachelogger> of course at some point >= 5yrs ago, so I may be imagining things
[08:13] <apachelogger> ffmpeg-more.diff
[08:13] <apachelogger> Fixed_compilation_with_new_FFMPEG.patch
[08:13] <apachelogger> Fix-K3B-to-build-with-recent-FFMPEG-versions.patch
[08:13] <apachelogger> the patch names...
[08:16] <Quintasan> Upgraded kdeconnect-kde in Trusty to 0.4.2
[08:16] <apachelogger> ./src/projects/k3bmixedview.cpp:#warning enable player once ported to Phonon
[08:16] <apachelogger> Phonon *fistshake*
[08:19] <soee> Quintasan: its going to be in updates ?
[08:19] <apachelogger> valorie: so, either I am thinking of kde3 times or I am making up memories, k3b currently does not play anything
[08:19] <Quintasan> soee: It's going to be in Trusty for now, I don't currently have the time to backport it
[08:20] <soee> Quintasan: yes thats what im asking :) im on Trusty here
[08:20] <valorie> I came late to using my computer to play music - those speakers the size of a dime were not much good
[08:20] <Quintasan> well, you should get it when you update then.
[08:20] <Quintasan> Though it's not done building yet
[08:21] <soee> ok thanks
[08:23] <Quintasan> soee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-kde/0.4.2-0ubuntu1/+build/5526074
[08:23] <Quintasan> amd64 up
[08:23] <Quintasan> report any problems please
[08:23] <soee> nice :)
[08:24] <soee> can someone post /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf content ?
[08:26] <apachelogger> some people's obsession with bugs is really annoying
[08:26] <valorie> soee: I have a saucy, will that do?
[08:26] <apachelogger> 7 theoretical bug reports, I asked to get pushed upstream, so did that, then linked all to the upstream ones and now I get every fing mail twice
[08:27] <soee> valorie: yes please
[08:27] <valorie> $ cat /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[08:27] <apachelogger> and then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/+bug/278807/comments/8
[08:28] <valorie> [SeatDefaults]
[08:28] <valorie> user-session=kde-plasma
[08:28] <valorie> greeter-session=lightdm-kde-greeter
[08:29] <soee> ok seems like the problem i had with lightdm is that config as said on #ubuntu+1
[08:29] <soee> current config i have: greeter-session=unity-greeter and user-session=ubuntu
[08:32] <soee> brb will check lightdm now
[08:34] <soee> works :)
[08:34] <valorie> \o/
[08:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: morning
[08:34] <shadeslayer> yes
[08:34] <shadeslayer> I am in the past :)
[08:35] <soee> thanks valorie
[08:37] <valorie> wb shadeslayer
[08:37] <valorie> to the land of the past
[08:38] <shadeslayer> <3
[08:40]  * valorie gnaws on a dinosaur bone
[08:41] <valorie> actually, Black Sabbath is at the Grammys
[08:41] <valorie> gosh
[08:41] <valorie> somebody smacked each of them in the head with that bone....
[09:58] <soee> how can i solve this: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdeconnect_0.4.2-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libkdeconnect.so.1.0.1', which is also in package libkdeconnect1 0.4.1-0ubuntu1
[09:59] <soee> hmm we have kdeconnect and kdeconnect-kde
[10:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[10:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you might want to try out kde:scratch/garg/kcm-driver-manager
[10:16] <Quintasan> soee: for now you can force overwrite using dpkg
[10:16] <Quintasan> Though it's a mistake I made I believe. 
[10:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what will I see, or rather, what will I want to try about it?
[10:17] <apachelogger> and on that note, what wil happen if I don't have hardware that requires blob drivers ^^
[10:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mostly you'll see a list of drivers that can be installed on your system if required and then you can install them
[10:18] <shadeslayer> it doesn't select a activated driver at the moment
[10:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it'll list the free drivers
[10:18] <shadeslayer> or well, it should
[10:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also, do you have a clue on how to get CMake to install dbus service files?
[10:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see qapt
[10:19] <apachelogger> afk for 5 minutes or so
[10:19] <apachelogger> ./CMakeLists.txt:        install(FILES ${_target} DESTINATION ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/dbus-1/system-services )
[10:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: /usr/bin/DriverManager_DBus should go to libexec I think
[10:24] <soee> Quintasan: ok that do the trick :) i can controll amarok without any problems
[10:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I copied the dbus_add_activation_system_service macro
[10:24] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:24] <shadeslayer> wait
[10:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: naming note... your module is called kcm_drivermanager, the kcm is kcm_driver_manger <- should be aligned IMHO
[10:24] <shadeslayer> it's not a system service is it
[10:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's not a user facing binary, shouldn't be in bin but libexec
[10:25] <apachelogger> or rather, a user is not expected to launch it
[10:25] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:25] <apachelogger> oh
[10:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the macro may be in kde btw
[10:25] <apachelogger> grep /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake I think
[10:25] <shadeslayer> oh? I tried to find it, couldn't
[10:25] <apachelogger> cmake stuff lacks documentation badly
[10:25] <jarkko_> how do i install xfce destkop via command line?
[10:26] <jarkko_> what's the command anyoe know?
[10:26] <jarkko_> anyone
[10:26] <apachelogger> support in #kubuntu or #ubuntu please
[10:26] <apachelogger> or #xubuntu for that matter
[10:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nothing http://pastebin.kde.org/plqau4nhm
[10:27] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/SJW8SeG.png -> click -> http://i.imgur.com/oT41XV0.png
[10:27] <apachelogger> I think the layout has a problem ^^
[10:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nevermind then
[10:28] <shadeslayer> yeah, hitting refresh causes that
[10:28] <apachelogger> QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout "" to Module "Module", which already has a layout
[10:28] <apachelogger> kcmshell(1518) Module::driverDictFinished: DBus data corrupted 
[10:28] <shadeslayer> I haven't bothered fixint it yet :)
[10:28] <apachelogger> the first warning may be that :P
[10:28] <shadeslayer> also, regarding dbus data, is the dbus service file installed
[10:28] <apachelogger> regarding second... possibly saucy is not new enough :'<
[10:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, qapt installs a system file
[10:29] <shadeslayer> however, I want to install a dbus session file
[10:29] <apachelogger> no clue what the difference is
[10:30] <shadeslayer> IIRC system services have elevated priviliges
[10:31] <shadeslayer> and system services are shared between users
[10:31] <apachelogger> yeah, but how is the target path different?
[10:32] <shadeslayer> /usr/share/dbus-1/services vs /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services ?
[10:32] <apachelogger> so just change the macro? :P
[10:32] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pull in ~10 minutes
[10:36] <apachelogger> why 10?
[10:37] <shadeslayer> mirror needs to sync?
[10:37] <apachelogger> <- knows how to bypass mirrors :P
[10:37] <shadeslayer> :)
[10:38] <apachelogger> still no dice with getting drivers listed though
[10:39] <apachelogger> may entirely be a saucy thing
[10:39] <shadeslayer> possibly the python module doesn't list free drivers :/
[10:40] <shadeslayer> it doesn't list intel drivers here
[10:40] <shadeslayer> but it did list radeon drivers previously
[10:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can I manually probe this somehow
[10:40] <apachelogger> ?
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure, look at the python script?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> and run it in the interpreter
[10:41] <apachelogger> self.__timer.start(30000) :O
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is there a macro to install to libexec or should I just do : install(PROGRAMS ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/DriverManager_DBus DESTINATION ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/lib/kde4/libexec)
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where o_o
[10:42] <apachelogger> grep FindKDE4Internal
[10:42] <apachelogger> there probably is a var for libexec
[10:42] <apachelogger> and the timer is in your python bin :P
[10:42] <shadeslayer> KDE4_LIBEXEC_INSTALL_DIR
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ahh yes
[10:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 30 second timer to kill the script
[10:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and how would one go about substituting that variable in the service file then
[10:44] <apachelogger> thats bogus IMHO
[10:45] <shadeslayer> so you'd just let the service keep running?
[10:45] <apachelogger> nope
[10:45] <shadeslayer> add a quit method?
[10:45] <apachelogger> 5 seconds timer at the most
[10:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ultimately that to be honest
[10:45] <apachelogger> well
[10:45] <apachelogger> quit + timeout
[10:46] <apachelogger> and each functions resets the timeout
[10:46] <apachelogger> so, for me the dict somhow is empty
[10:46] <shadeslayer> feel free to change that to 5, I did not choose 30 for any reason
[10:46] <apachelogger> Called
[10:46] <apachelogger> {}
[10:47] <shadeslayer> yeah, I suppose backend can't detect free drivers on your system
[10:47] <shadeslayer> or doesn't care
[10:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: my point is that it should be arbitrarily short timeout but actions should reset the timer
[10:47] <apachelogger> also I am testing on an nvidia system, so it should list something
[10:47] <apachelogger> stupid thing :@
[10:47] <shadeslayer> oh 0.o
[10:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: grab latest ubuntu-drivers-common?
[10:48] <apachelogger> fails tests
[10:48] <apachelogger> trying in a vm
[10:48] <apachelogger> ... once I set it up ^^
[10:48] <shadeslayer> IDK if a VM has proprietary hw
[10:49] <apachelogger> should list vbox IIRC
[10:52] <Riddell> calligra is a beast!
[10:52] <Riddell> I might have already said that
[10:52] <apachelogger> you did ^^
[10:52] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: are you still using that ec2?
[10:52]  * shadeslayer moves on to the next task
[10:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: haven't managed to finish this weekend. Do you have time in about 2 hours to help me finish with that?
[10:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sure, now or later?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw all recommendations implemented I think
[10:55] <ovidiu-florin> best for me would be in a couple of hours
[10:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: cool, so I cannot test as virtualbox doesn't want to list anything
[10:56] <shadeslayer> thought so
[10:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: pencilled in for 13:00UTC
[10:56] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[10:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that being said... you may want to introduce a dummy mode into the python thing so it can be tested even on free systems
[10:56] <shadeslayer> I bet jussi has loads of proprietary hardware
[10:56] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE6pKX7N2r4
[10:57] <soee> Riddell: the issue i had with lighdm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-prime/+bug/1267442
[10:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: machine with the nvidia is broken, sorry
[10:58] <jussi> waiting on a new HDD--- anyone want to buy me an SSD? :F
[11:00] <apachelogger> my, aren't we fancy, a ssd
[11:02] <jussi> apachelogger: :D
[11:04] <davmor2> soee, Riddell: tseliot has filed a bug with nvidia for prime.  Nvidia dedicated gfx cards are fine however optimus is screwed on kernel 3.13 and needs a patch from nvidia to fix it.  Chased it up on Thursday last week he is still waiting on a fix
[11:05] <soee> davmor2: i see, thank you for that information
[11:10] <ovidiu-florin> is there something wrong with the Ubuntu servers? When I run apt-get update it lags for about 5 minutes on archive.ubuntu.com and secure.ubuntu.com
[11:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: working fine for me
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> here it connects using IPv6
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> that coould be an issue?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so, as I understand it the app-install-data package is populated from desktop files, however, I don't think you can specify a desktop file for a meta package
[11:15] <shadeslayer> at the very least it doesn't specify a type for this
[11:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you want to list kubuntu-desktop in muon or something?
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no, I want to list the kde developer meta package
[11:26] <shadeslayer> but unsure how to do so within the confines of the desktop spec
[11:27] <Riddell> yeah you'd need to check with mvo or whoever it incharge of app-install-data now
[11:27] <shadeslayer> right now, I'm thinking of copying over the kdevelop desktop file and making it say "Application" even though it's a meta package and gives you a KDE SDK
[11:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: your business cards are here and looking good
[11:27] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:27] <shadeslayer> can't wait to get them next week
[11:28] <Riddell> heck, get them this friday if you want
[11:29] <Riddell> as long as you buy me one of the free beers
[11:30] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:30] <shadeslayer> they're not really free are they, 3 EUR IIRC
[11:30] <shadeslayer> which seems a bit expensive for beer tbh :P
[11:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you'll need to install a desktop file
[11:31] <apachelogger> with Hidden=true or NoDisplay=true
[11:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mvo will know in detail
[11:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, but then what would be the Type?
[11:31] <apachelogger> Application
[11:32] <apachelogger> it's just a fake file
[11:32] <shadeslayer> hmm okay
[11:32]  * apachelogger needs new eyes after this morning's patching -.-
[11:33] <Riddell> I believe mvo has moved on from canonical to new opportunities
[11:34] <apachelogger> so app-install-data is now in 'maintenance' mode? ^^
[11:34] <Riddell> although he's not in the secret ex-canonical channel
[11:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can also look at changelog for most active uploader
[11:34] <apachelogger> that person surely would know as well ^^
[11:35] <shadeslayer> mostly it's mvo, xnox and cj
[11:36] <xnox> hm?! =)
[11:36]  * shadeslayer is hungry
[11:36] <xnox> Riddell: mvo has been temporarly abscent from canonical ;-) that is correct
[11:36] <shadeslayer> xnox: so we're trying to introduce a new "KDE SDK/Developer" meta package
[11:36] <shadeslayer> xnox: and we want it to show up in muon-discover / ubuntu-app-store
[11:36] <shadeslayer> what would be the way to do this?
[11:37] <xnox> apachelogger: i think i was last to regenerated app-install-data, but i'm not sure if i did it correct or not. pitti also generated that.
[11:37] <xnox> shadeslayer: just added it as a new seed e.g. kubuntu-sdk & metapackage build by kubuntu-meta.
[11:37] <xnox> aka similar to ubuntu-sdk and/or kubuntu-active.
[11:38] <shadeslayer> xnox: oh, will that be enough? no need to ship a desktop file?
[11:39] <apachelogger> /usr/share/app-install/desktop/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu:ubuntusdk.desktop
[11:39] <xnox> apachelogger: that's a plugin.
[11:39] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[11:39] <xnox> shadeslayer: no idea. maybe =)
[11:39] <shadeslayer> I already had a look at that
[11:40] <apachelogger> xnox: that's the entry I get in discover for Ubuntu SDK
[11:40] <xnox> apachelogger: but that's not the sdk. good point, i'll follow up to properly have ubuntu sdk in the software centre to show up.
[11:41] <xnox> apachelogger: shadeslayer: maybe check how ubuntu-quickly shows up in the store? that used be a more mature / integrated SDK-like thing in the early days.
[11:41] <apachelogger> good point
[11:41] <shadeslayer> it does not in Muon Discover
[11:42] <apachelogger> yeah that may be discover's fault though
[11:42] <shadeslayer> well, nor in https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/?q=ubuntu-quickly&op=
[11:43] <shadeslayer> we need to make muon handle apt:// links -.-
[11:43] <apachelogger> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/quickly/
[11:43] <shadeslayer> right
[11:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell apol? :P
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think he knows
[11:43] <shadeslayer> IIRC I/someone filed a bug
[11:43] <apachelogger> so much things we need to do ^^
[11:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apt-url works for now, doesn't it?
[11:44] <apachelogger> IIRC that simply invokes qapt-installer or whatever it's called
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:44] <shadeslayer> well, clicking on apt://quickly via ff doesn't invoke anything
[11:45] <shadeslayer> OTOH works via Quassel
[11:45] <apachelogger> firefox integration qq
[11:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:45] <shadeslayer> lemme add a card
[11:45] <apachelogger> xnox: does software center show quickly for you?
[11:45] <apachelogger> can't find it in mine
[11:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there may be one
[11:45] <apachelogger> ohohoh, I remember
[11:45] <shadeslayer> don't see one
[11:46] <apachelogger> firefox requires manual registration for protocols
[11:46] <shadeslayer> -.-
[11:46] <apachelogger> and on that note, we do need someone who knows more about firefox than how to start it :S
[11:47]  * shadeslayer runs away
[11:48] <Riddell> hmm, where does pbuilder keep its log of output?
[11:48] <apachelogger> doesn't log unless you tell it to IIRC
[11:49] <Riddell> bah
[11:50] <apachelogger> if you use pbuilder-dist it may put the logs in ~/pbuilder
[11:53] <apachelogger> Riddell, agateau: do we know whether plasma-widget-menubar will ever work with gtk apps again?
[11:53] <apachelogger> and if not, should we kick it off the ISO?
[11:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: from discussions before we concluded that it's still useful even with only qt apps
[11:57] <apachelogger> that usefulness is limited to someone only using qt apps
[11:57] <apachelogger> and since we have >=2 !qt apps it seems silly to have it on the ISO
[11:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apt:// card on the wrong board
[12:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fixed
[12:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would be beneficial to test upgrade with KDE backports PPA as well
[12:02] <shadeslayer> since we advocate that PPA to some extent for getting the latest KDE
[12:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only for second test run IMHO
[12:02] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:02] <apachelogger> backports will change anyway
[12:02] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:03]  * apachelogger still thinks file conflict tests should be automated in some form
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: do you have something to blog about, I totally don't have interesting enough things :/
[12:05] <shadeslayer> not really
[12:05] <shadeslayer> maybe after FOSDEM
[12:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how about finishing driver manager this week and then blob about that?
[12:06] <apachelogger> trusty needs moar cool stuff(tm)
[12:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: k
[12:06] <shadeslayer> that kcm needs more love
[12:06] <apachelogger> the trusty moar cool stuff kcm? ^^
[12:06] <shadeslayer> I need to figure out which driver is currently in use
[12:07] <apachelogger> didn't I already outline the algorithm there?
[12:07] <apachelogger>                                        ki18n("((Name))"),
[12:07] <apachelogger> you need to give it a name as well
[12:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a need to blog?
[12:08] <apachelogger> always nice to tell people about nice things
[12:08] <apachelogger> except I rarely have nice things to tellt he nice people about, so I am utterly useless for that
[12:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh
[12:09] <apachelogger>         QString label = "<h3>" + vendor.toString() + " " + model.toString() + "</h3>";
[12:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: must not do that
[12:09] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:09] <shadeslayer> look at the TODO above 
[12:09] <apachelogger> ah yes
[12:09] <apachelogger> well
[12:09] <apachelogger> not even that I think
[12:09]  * apachelogger googles the wikis
[12:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's some code that I've commented out that is like the initial idea that I was pursuing to detect which module is loaded
[12:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Localization/i18n_Semantics#Structure_tags
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[12:10] <Riddell> I could blog that my talk has moved from the desktop room to the distro room
[12:11] <Riddell> just so all my fans know where to find me
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[12:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: time for driver manager is over today
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: "kubuntu @fosdem" .... "ah, so awesome, come meet the kubuntu at fosdem, will have talk and stuff, really cool"
[12:12] <apachelogger> there, I already wrote 90% of the post ^^
[12:12] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure, tomorrow
[12:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, the label probably wants i18nc anyway
[12:14] <apachelogger> not sure whether that needs localization, though usually 2 strings need that in some obscure language ;)
[12:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you may want to ask albert
[12:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: void Module::initError() is wrong... a) messageboxes are evil, should be somehow displayed inside the KCM (kmessagewidget for example?)  and b) exit(-1) will actually terminate systemsettings....
[12:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: good point
[12:17]  * shadeslayer makes a note, will fix tomorrow
[12:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in qapt finished/error you want to call backend->reloadcache to discard pending transactions, particularly in the case of error you can pile up transactions otherwise (also see locale kcm patch for possibly more information or stuff that should be done on error)
[12:17] <apachelogger> generally looks fine tho
[12:18] <apachelogger> well and the layout is kaput
[12:18] <shadeslayer> good to hear
[12:18] <shadeslayer> well, yeah
[12:18] <shadeslayer> minor issues ;)
[12:18] <apachelogger> oh and on a general note you may either want to use model/view for representation of the driver map, or at least encapsulate it into an own class
[12:19] <apachelogger> latter might be better for now as models always cause quite the code overhead
[12:20] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:20] <shadeslayer> for something as simple as this, is MV really required
[12:21] <apachelogger> well, it imposes sane storage/presentation separation, so it generally aint bad
[12:21] <apachelogger> if it was qml I'd totally say use a model, plus in qml it would actually be easier with a model pretty much ^^
[12:41] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: hi
[12:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: hey
[12:41] <ovidiu-florin> do you have time now?
[12:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sure, on the ec2 ?
[12:42] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[12:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: which byobu session? 0 or 1 ?
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> eighter one
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> 0
[12:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ok, what are we going to do?
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> the package is made for kde-ufw, can you please take a look?
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> it's built and installed
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> so it worked so far...
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> most files contain GPLv2 license. But the COPYING file says GPLv3
[12:45] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[12:46] <Riddell> tsk
[12:46] <Riddell> upstream not complying to kde policy
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> I can contact the developer
[12:47] <ovidiu-florin> what should I tell him?
[12:48] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you can send a polite e-mail to say the file kcm_ufw_helper.py.cmake isn't GPL 2 as required by KDE licence policy http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy
[12:49] <Riddell> and the COPYING file should be GPL 2 as well just for clarity
[12:49] <Riddell> it doesn't block any distribution, it just means KDE can easier share its own code amongst itself
[12:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: debian/ufw-kde.install  is needed  should be fine to have just one line saying usr/ in it
[12:51] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: like this?
[12:51] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yep
[12:51] <Riddell> that'll tell it to put all the files in /usr into ufw-kde package
[12:52] <Riddell> rm ../*deb;  debuild -nc  to rebuild
[12:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ufw-kde.install in the wrong place :)
[12:53] <Riddell> should be in debian/
[12:54]  * apachelogger looks for food
[12:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: add etc/ to that .install file
[12:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: lovely, now fix those lintian problems and it should be done
[12:56] <Riddell> lintian is a tool to find common problems in .deb and source packages
[12:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: scrap that lower changelog entry
[12:57] <Riddell> only 1 needed
[12:58] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can I delete this?
[12:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[12:58] <Riddell> change UNRELEASED to trusty
[12:58] <Riddell> and remove the bug number, I don't think we have a bug for ufw-kde
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: we don't 
[13:00] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: why can't I make the byobu view bigger?
[13:00] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: oh it's limited by my terminal size
[13:01] <Riddell> I have a big font today
[13:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: 0.5.0-1ubuntu1  should be 0.5.0-0ubuntu1
[13:01] <Riddell> -0 is the debian version and it's not in debian
[13:05] <Riddell> just remove that file
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: description-synopsis-starts-with-article
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: README.Debian?
[13:07] <Riddell> yes remove README.Debian
[13:07] <Riddell> description-synopsis-starts-with-article means debian/control text starts with "a" or "the"
[13:07] <Riddell> which is considered unnecessary
[13:09] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: duplicated as in same description for both packages?
[13:10] <Riddell> yes
[13:10] <Riddell> no
[13:10] <Riddell> what?
[13:10] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I changed it now
[13:10] <ovidiu-florin> I've added Debug files at the end
[13:10] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: duplicated is that the short and long description are the same
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> added a .
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> not the same
[13:11] <Riddell> needs something changed
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[13:11] <Riddell> :)
[13:11] <Riddell> it might be smarter than that I'm not sure :)
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> Section?
[13:11] <ovidiu-florin> section: unknown
[13:11] <Riddell> Section: unknown -> kde
[13:11] <Riddell> section is an entirely useless category field which comes from debian
[13:13] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: standards-version .5 these days
[13:13] <ovidiu-florin> 3.9.5 ?
[13:13] <Riddell> that's the version of debian policy we say we're following, should always be the latest and greatest
[13:13] <Riddell> yes
[13:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: oh you probably need a complete rebuild to keep it happy after changing some of those fields
[13:16] <ovidiu-florin> how do I achieve that?
[13:17] <Riddell> debuild
[13:17] <Riddell> debuild -j2
[13:17] <Riddell> which will run a clean before and compiling
[13:17] <Riddell> debuild -nc  means it doesn't run the clean
[13:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: in debian/control add
[13:17] <Riddell> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>                                                                                              
[13:17] <Riddell> XSBC-Original-
[13:18] <ovidiu-florin> XSBC-Original- ?
[13:19] <Riddell> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Ovidiu <ovidiu@romanian.ro>
[13:19] <ovidiu-florin> romanian.ro :))
[13:20] <Riddell> debian uses the Maintainer field to list who is the person incharge of the package, we don't have maintainers as that just causes blockages when that 1 person is away so we just change it like this
[13:21] <ovidiu-florin> I agree
[13:22] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: debhelper version not matching debian/compat
[13:22] <Riddell> it should be 9 (latest and greatest)
[13:26] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: getting there but some more lintian issues
[13:26] <Riddell> google the issues you don't understand or ask here
[13:26] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[13:27] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:31] <Riddell> hi lordievader
[13:40] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[13:40] <ghostcube> kdeconnect 0.4.2 \o/
[13:42] <Riddell> lordievader: getting frustrated at how long calligra takes to package!
[13:43] <lordievader> Riddell: Grab a coffee/tea and relax.
[13:43] <lordievader> ;)
[13:43] <lordievader> Which reminds me, I wanted to make tea....
[13:45] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how are you getting on?
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> reasearching on source: dbg-package-missing-depends
[13:46] <apachelogger> last upgrade test finished \o/
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: how did it go?
[13:46] <apachelogger> kubuntu-desktop now gets pulled in were previously it was not
[13:46] <Riddell> yay
[13:47] <apachelogger> now I just need to get upstream to approve the plasma theme caching bug and upgrade experience is good enough(tm)
[13:47] <apachelogger> s/bug/fix
[13:47] <apachelogger> oh lovely
[13:47] <apachelogger> now I have a design editor in the menu
[13:48] <apachelogger> kdepim has serious problems with making sane desktop files -.-
[13:48] <Riddell> seems like something hard to make insane
[13:49] <apachelogger> maybe it's our packaging
[13:49] <apachelogger> actually its probably both
[13:49] <apachelogger> the packaging shuffing unrelated crap into primary packages (such as contactthemeditor in kaddressbook)
[13:49] <apachelogger> and upstream insisting on that rubbish being in the menu rather than somewhere integrated in the related application(s)
[13:49] <apachelogger> so you get entries like 'MBoxImporter'
[13:50] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: in debian/control can I add a diferent section for each package?
[13:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[13:51] <Riddell> the one at the top will be used if another one isn't specified
[13:51] <Riddell> you usually only need to override it for the dbg and library packages
[13:51] <Riddell> it continutes to be a useless field :)
[13:54] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: W: ufw-kde source: dbg-package-missing-depends ufw-kde-dbg should I add ufw-kde as a dependencie to the debug package?
[13:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes
[13:55] <Riddell> with  (= ${binary:Version}) 
[13:56] <ovidiu-florin> like this?
[13:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no "Depends: ufw-kde (= ${binary:Version}) "
[13:58] <ovidiu-florin> should it be first?
[13:58] <Riddell> doesn't matter
[13:58] <ovidiu-florin> oooh, only add that? and it will inherit the binaty package dependecies?
[13:59] <Riddell> it will depend on ufw-kde of the same version
[13:59] <Riddell> which is all it needs
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> so I should remove the shlibs:Depends and misc:Depends?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you poke someone about kde-touchpad
[14:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what about it?
[14:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nah keep them
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still in source new?
[14:01] <Riddell> I could poke myself I suppose
[14:01] <Riddell> but that sounds rude
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell thoughts on splitting http://pastebin.kde.org/pbedtewwz into 2 packages ( libbaloo and baloo-runtime ) 
[14:03] <shadeslayer> or should I just ship one package baloo
[14:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are there situations when one would want one but not the other?
[14:04] <apachelogger> seems to me one package would be best for starters
[14:05] <Riddell> with other things use libbaloo ?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, kmail could use libbaloopim and not have the runtime stuff
[14:08] <Riddell> isn't vHanda sitting next to you to ask? :)
[14:08] <shadeslayer> I did ask
[14:08] <shadeslayer> and that's the outcome :)
[14:08] <shadeslayer> he says that it's up to us to split or not to split
[14:10] <Riddell> don't bother then
[14:12] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:13] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: python-script-but-no-python-dep. I've added python to Depends. :(
[14:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I think for ${python:Depends} to get filled in your need to use various other debhelper bits
[14:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: probably easiest just to depend on python2.7
[14:16] <ovidiu-florin> where?
[14:16] <ovidiu-florin> in Build-Depends?
[14:17] <jarkko> what's the reason we have to make deb packages?
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> jarkko: because Ubuntu uses deb
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> and so do we
[14:17] <ovidiu-florin> it's based on Debian
[14:18] <jarkko> ok lets asssume someone makes a program and wants to distribute it via debian...
[14:18] <jarkko> what he has to do?
[14:18] <jarkko> does kubuntu need to repack every package that comes from debian?
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> repack = check if it's packed ok for kubuntu
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu mostly takes the packages from Ubuntu
[14:19] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:19] <ovidiu-florin> and we make the packages with the KDE stuff
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you updated kdeconnect
[14:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect/0.4.2-1ubuntu1
[14:20] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: in the Depends line for the ufw-kde package
[14:20] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: How would I add that? I've added ${python:Depends} in the Depends: section
[14:21] <jarkko> for example this kdeconnect, that comes from kde itself?
[14:21] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: right, remove ${python:Depends}, add python2.7
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> jarkko: what about ir?
[14:21] <jarkko> why do you need to repack it?
[14:21] <jarkko> because of depencies?
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> if they differ, then yes
[14:21] <Riddell> jarkko: kde writes the souce for it, we package it to make .deb packages you can install with apt or muon
[14:21] <Riddell> jarkko: we don't repack it
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: he meant if we repack the debian packages for KDE
[14:23] <jarkko> yes that's what i meant
[14:23] <Riddell> we don't
[14:23] <Riddell> packages in debian we have a process to automatically sync those into ubuntu
[14:23] <jarkko> great
[14:23] <Riddell> and kubuntu is part of ubuntu
[14:23] <Riddell> (along with ubuntu unity and xubuntu etc etc)
[14:24] <jarkko> i just noticed you talking about lisencing here, how to add it or so
[14:24] <jarkko> to package, that just sounded a bit weird
[14:24] <Riddell> anything we package we need to make sure is licenced under a free software licence, sometimes upstream forgets to do that or includes something which is non-free
[14:25] <jarkko> do you give them feedback then?
[14:25] <jarkko> that it gets corrected
[14:25] <Riddell> yep
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the error is still there
[14:25] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin is going to e-mail the developer of ufw-kde because his licencing while valid is not as clean as it should be
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> can tou please take a look?
[14:28] <jarkko> i saw a news at phoronix that debian changes their program policy that every program has to have somekind of description or its removed from gui install
[14:28] <jarkko> grammar...error :D
[14:28] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: still there
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should I also mention in that mail about this problem?
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> it's about the same file
[14:33] <jarkko> i installed xfce today on top of kubuntu...so i have both now...but i think the slow thing is not kde or xfce, but xorg
[14:33] <jarkko> slow start
[14:35] <ghostcube> meh battery information doesnt work with kde connect 0.4.2 too 
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: is there a prefference for GPLv2 over GPLv3 ?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fun https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/intltool/add-qtdesigner-support/+merge/145112
[14:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes, KDE prefers and requires GPL2+  (just for consistency) http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy
[14:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yay fixed it, it was a python3 script :)
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> I saw
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh my oh my, please pick up ^^
[14:40] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: now what?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep, looking into it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> will poke dpm with pointy stick
[14:40] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: copy the packages to your machine and install and test
[14:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you manage to get ahold of him, please also mention that ubuntu-translations has a pile of kubuntu import bugs WRT translation imports into launchpad
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ack
[14:41] <apachelogger> blocks me pocking pitti to fix  up export :S
[14:42] <apachelogger> oh, tatties almost done, going to be afk for a while
[14:42]  * shadeslayer will bribe everyone with beer
[14:43] <shadeslayer> beer @ next UDS for you, and you and you .. oh wait ...
[14:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/puiyzsvxu/kozhnz should I change something?
[14:44] <Riddell> "Could you please, if possible make the licensing more consistent." -> "Could you change this to a copy of the GPL2 text to be consistent with the rest of KDE?"
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> done. sending
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> should I cc kubuntu-devel ?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :(
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no worky
[14:46] <shadeslayer> oh huh
[14:47] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nah
[14:47] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yay it works for me :)
[14:47] <shadeslayer> intltool-extract works, -update is still wonky
[14:48] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: missing dependency python-ufw. I forgot. dpkg does not add dependencies
[14:49] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: shouldn't ufw be added as a dependecy ?
[14:49] <ovidiu-florin> works here as well
[14:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yeah I guess so
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> GPL version 2 or version 3 or later versions approved by the membership of KDE e.V. 
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> so GPLv3 is ok
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> for KDEW
[14:52] <ovidiu-florin> KDE*
[14:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: where?
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy point 5
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[14:54] <Riddell> yes that's an alternative to GPL2+
[14:55] <Riddell> but it's not the same as GPL3+ which doesn't allow you to share code with GPL 2 code
[14:55] <Riddell> and we have bits of GPL 2 only code
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what about the gpg error? shoul I build that localy to resolve it?
[14:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: that's a good sign, it means the package is all done and all that's missing is being signed by the gpg key for upload
[14:55] <ovidiu-florin> so GPL3 is not backwords compatible?
[14:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no it's not
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should I build it localy to sign it?
[14:56] <ovidiu-florin> or will one of you do that?
[14:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: if you want to upload it to your PPA you can sign it with your key or if you think it's good enough to go into the archive then I can sign it and upload there
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> I can't judge if it's good enough. I'm not experienced enough. You would have to do that for now.
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> but I'd add it to my ppa first
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> to have some launchpad activity :D
[14:58] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: the packaging is all good, my question is how functional is this?  does it successfully do everything a ufw frontends needs to or does it have bugs and missing features?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: huzzah it works
[15:09] <shadeslayer> I can see them strings in the pot
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: if it does, we'll file bug reports
[15:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: groovy, I signed it, you can upload with  dput ubuntu ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[15:16] <Riddell> I always run   cat ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes   before to make sure it's sane
[15:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sweet
[15:18] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell:  you lost me. i don't understand the last part
[15:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: just look at the .changes file to make sure you're uploading to the right ubuntu release and with the right version number
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> the description for the debug package needs to be changed
[15:21] <ovidiu-florin> it's to long
[15:21] <Riddell> I agree
[15:24] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: just run  debuild -S  to remake the source for uploading
[15:24] <Riddell> also you'll need to ask me to sign it again
[15:25] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to upload it to my ppa first
[15:25] <Riddell> also needs   debuild -S  to be run
[15:25] <Riddell> then on your local machine run   debsign -rubuntu@ec2-107-20-69-114.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/kde-ufw/ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[15:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: gpg: skipped "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan <ovidiu.b13@gmail.com>": secret key not available
[15:31] <ovidiu-florin> I have my key on this PC
[15:32] <Riddell> but do you have a key for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan <ovidiu.b13@gmail.com> ?
[15:32] <Riddell> output of   gpg --list-key "Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan <ovidiu.b13@gmail.com>"  ?
[15:33] <ovidiu-florin> it's for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan (ovidiu-florin) <ovidiu.b13@gmail.com>
[15:33] <ovidiu-florin> it also has the IRC name in there
[15:35] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[15:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: add -kovidiu.b13@gmail.com  to the debsign command
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> it worked. What did I do ?
[15:49] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you told it which gpg key to use
[15:50] <Riddell> edit ~/.devscripts if you want it to remember it
[15:50] <Riddell> DEBSIGN_KEYID=DD4D5088  is what I have
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> localy or on the EC2 ?
[15:53] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: locally
[15:54] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have a .devscripts on this machine
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you have a look at lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde/
[15:54] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so make one :)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it has the final modifications for the new kde sdk package
[15:54] <shadeslayer> now with a desktop file
[15:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: should it contain anything else?
[15:56] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: nope
[15:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can you guide me to upload to my ppa?
[15:57] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: dput ppa:<lpuser>  foo_source.changes
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: unsure about "+Name=KDE 4 SDK
[15:57] <Riddell> "
[15:57] <Riddell> upstream branding no like KDE 4
[15:57] <Riddell> maybe just KDE SDK
[15:57] <shadeslayer> hm, I suppose, we could call the KF5 one "KF5 SDK"
[15:58] <Riddell> "Metapackage for developing KDE and ontop of KDE" -> "Metapackage for developing KDE Software"
[15:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: now while you're adding that, would it be a good idea to add a kubuntu-desktop one?
[15:58] <Riddell> for all those Ubuntu Software Centre using people who want to know how to install kubuntu desktop
[15:58] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:59] <shadeslayer> maybe ;)
[16:01] <apachelogger> mh
[16:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: upload the source changes file
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: perhaps drop a short mail to kde-promo
[16:01] <sgclark> Riddell: when you get a moment I have two ready for you :)
[16:01] <apachelogger> maybe the'd rather like KDE Technology SDK or somesuch rubbish
[16:03] <shadeslayer> k
[16:11] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Rejected: Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed.
[16:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: right you need to upload the source changes file
[16:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what did you upload?
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: $ dput ppa:ovidiub13/ufw-kde ufw-kde_0.5.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.changes
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> and it uploaded everything
[16:21] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: not the amd64.changes
[16:22] <Riddell> run debuild -S
[16:22] <Riddell> it'll give you a  sources.changes
[16:22] <Riddell> then you can dput the sources.changes
[16:22] <Riddell> after signing it
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ovidiub13/+archive/ufw-kde
[16:31] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: awooga :)
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> yeee
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin> my first package and ppa
[16:32]  * Riddell gives ovidiu-florin his kubuntu ninja yellow belt
[16:32] <sgclark> nice :)
[16:32]  * ovidiu-florin accepts
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you think the EC2 is still necessary?
[16:37] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: got mail form launchpad: State: Failed to build
[16:39] <Riddell> so yes it probably is :)
[16:39] <Riddell> find the logfile from https://launchpad.net/~ovidiub13/+archive/ufw-kde/+packages
[16:39] <Riddell> debian/rules:7: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk: No such file or directory
[16:39] <Riddell> needs pkg-kde-tools as a build-depends
[16:39] <Riddell> you can use pbuilder if you want to check the build-depends are all good
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hooray, 12.04 shits itself when using qemu from trusty
[17:03] <yofel> what the freakin' CSS - bug 1273279
[17:03] <yofel> http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour is fun
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: yofel how about that wordpress migration?
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> I've found a few scripts that can migrate the content, from DB to DB
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> but it requires some maintenance
[17:05] <Riddell> sgclark: kcmutils uploaded!
[17:05] <ovidiu-florin> I'm willing to do that, but only if I know that everybody wants that
[17:05] <yofel> dunno, do we have a wordpress and server admin?
[17:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'm willing to maintain it
[17:06] <Riddell> feature-tour was edited by a google code in student who then ran away :(
[17:06] <yofel> :/
[17:06] <ovidiu-florin> WP test: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/
[17:08] <yofel> if nobody gets to it I might make an attempt at fixing the page later
[17:09]  * yofel makes his way home
[17:14] <Riddell> sgclark: kbookmarks descriptions tidied up a bit and uploaded!
[17:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how's your package getting on?
[17:16] <sgclark> thank you!
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've just re-uploaded the package
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin> and I'm waiting for the launchpad mail
[17:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: did you bump the version number?
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> no
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[17:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: you'll need to change ~ppa1 to ~ppa2
[17:19] <Riddell> or use dch -i to add a new changelog entry
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Fixed launchpad build issues
[17:25] <ovidiu-florin> is this a good message for changelog ?
[17:28] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no it's not a launchpad issue
[17:28] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: try "add pkg-kde-tools build-depend"
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://i.imgur.com/77xjGgP.png
[17:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's like someone gave kubuntu.org weed
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: I know
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> I did not make that theme
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> jussi sayd he liked it, so I gave it a try
[17:41] <ovidiu-florin> IMO it's terrible
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~ovidiub13/+archive/ufw-kde
[17:56] <jussi> I said nothing... 
[17:56] <jussi> wait, what? 
[17:57] <jussi> apachelogger: (and others). I did the upgrade today, went flawlessly also. I had some SW from 3rd party repos, no problems. looking good as we speak
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> in Munich, when we talked about the site, we talked about a posibility of migrating the site to wordpress
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> and you found this theme, Oxygen theme
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: ^
[17:58] <jussi> I said I liked wordpress... and that the theme existed.
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> oh
[17:58] <ovidiu-florin> so there are no constraints to use that theme
[17:59] <jussi> no, I dont give a damn if its used or no
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> great
[18:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it compiled!
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[18:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: shall I upload to the ubuntu archive?
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> yup
[18:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: uploaded!
[18:05] <Riddell> it'll now go into New queue where hopefully an archive admin will review it for being sanely packaged and having a free licence
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[18:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so now you know how you can spend your life getting to know all about packaging :)
[18:19] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ Bugs for new and updated Kubuntu Packages, Archive package buildstatus and upstream watch, Debian Merges   lots to be done in there
[18:19] <Riddell> not to mention KF5
[18:24] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I think I'll shut down the EC2 now
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ok
[18:25] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: unless you want it for some more packaging
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: honestly, I like development more
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> I'll configure my own machine for packaging if needed
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[19:03] <BluesKaj> how to enable F keys without needing the Fn to make some of them work like launching yakuake with F12 ?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> me hides from crosspost monitoring :)
[19:06]  * genii shakes a finger at BluesKaj and goes "Tisk tisk!"
[19:07] <BluesKaj> genii, hate to look desperate, but I'm getting close. don't have a setting in the bios afaik
[19:19] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion homerun 1.2.0
[19:20] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1273385
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ok now I have to startx after login and the desktop effects crashed kwin ...we seem to be going downhill very quickly 
[20:09] <apachelogger> jussi: yay
[20:33] <sgclark> Riddell: kio ready for you
[20:36] <Riddell> ooh that one is a biggie
[20:36] <Riddell> apachelogger's review ubiquity slideshow content deadline was yesterday, anyone want to take that on?
[20:36] <Riddell> ahoneybun, valorie?
[20:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: suspend no work without pm-utils https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1273413
[20:41] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah it is a monster. Note the patches to rename due to conflicts
[20:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you make sure you have com.ubuntu.Upstart on DBus?
[20:45] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1273413] no suspend available without pm-utils @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1273413 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[20:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes running qdbus com.ubuntu.Upstart shows lots of dbus output
[20:48] <shadeslayer> okay so then it's something else
[20:48] <shadeslayer> will have a poke tomorrow
[20:48] <shadeslayer> but it shows up just fine here
[20:48] <shadeslayer> possibly I should reboot after removing pm-utils
[20:48] <shadeslayer> but anyway, tomorrow
[20:52] <Riddell> yes I did a reboot
[20:59] <BluesKaj> gotta startx to get to the desktop, is this a bug that suddenly came down in an upgrade ?
[21:01] <sgclark> I do not have that issue
[21:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:14] <soee> BluesKaj: but login works fine for you ?
[21:14] <soee> *gui
[21:26] <BluesKaj> soee, yeah , just the login , after that X fails 
[21:26] <BluesKaj> looking at he logs now, but i don't see anything yet
[21:35] <BluesKaj> looks like Kwin is the problem 
[23:15] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[23:29] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin 
[23:29] <Riddell> only briefly
[23:29] <ovidiu-florin> got a reply from Craig
[23:29] <Riddell> what's the gossip?
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> he can't
[23:30] <Riddell> he can't?!
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> "kcm_ufw_helper.py.cmake contains code taken from the ufw-frontends project, and this is GPLv3. "
[23:30] <ovidiu-florin> "Hence why the COPYING file is also GPLv3. The source files are v2, as this is what I used when starting. I changed to v3 as I borrowed code from ufw-frontends."
[23:30] <Riddell> ah fair enough then
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> so there goes that.
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> the package remains the same, right?