| bluesabre | Noskcaj: about to do a release with the fix in it | 00:48 |
|---|---|---|
| bluesabre | my internet has been out all day, seems to be back somewhat now | 00:48 |
| Noskcaj | :) | 00:49 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0/2.0.1 | 01:10 |
| bluesabre | :) | 01:10 |
| Noskcaj | thanks | 01:11 |
| Noskcaj | You are proving that #shimmer is really #xubuntu-devel2 though | 01:11 |
| bluesabre | in a way | 01:11 |
| bluesabre | its usually where parole and greeter talk happen so simon and I don't flood this channel | 01:12 |
| bluesabre | my excuse there is that we're discussing design, so its #shimmer-related :) | 01:13 |
| bluesabre | right ochosi? | 01:13 |
| ochosi | yup | 01:13 |
| ochosi | thing is that parole isn't really xubuntu-related directly | 01:13 |
| ochosi | same thing goes for the greeter | 01:13 |
| ochosi | and since it's mostly ppl hanging out in shimmer who happen to work on these projects, we mostly talk about them there | 01:13 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: besides the menulibre2.0.1 update, do we think we can get mugshot into debian as well? | 01:15 |
| bluesabre | I'll be working on catfish this week | 01:15 |
| Noskcaj | mugshot should get to debian, i just need to find a sponsor | 01:15 |
| bluesabre | excellent :) | 01:19 |
| Noskcaj | Also a new version of pexcept | 01:20 |
| bluesabre | cool | 01:21 |
| bluesabre | also, catfish doesn't depend on any specific version of locate | 01:22 |
| bluesabre | as long as it provides a locate executable, its sufficient | 01:22 |
| bluesabre | and I think that include mlocate | 01:22 |
| bluesabre | but I'll document that with the next release | 01:22 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, is https://piuparts.debian.org/sid/fail/menulibre_2.0-1.log fixed in 2.0.1? | 01:24 |
| ochosi | hm, apart from all the packaging and uploading stuff, currently this looks like one of the more challenging workitems: | 01:24 |
| ochosi | [xubuntu-dev] Look into creating a GUI for light-locker settings (or integrate into xfce4-powermanager): TODO | 01:24 |
| bluesabre | Noskcaj: haven't seen that before, so I'm going with no | 01:25 |
| bluesabre | what is it? | 01:25 |
| Noskcaj | An (un)installation error | 01:25 |
| Noskcaj | That might be a bug in piuparts though | 01:26 |
| bluesabre | yeah, looks unrelated to menulibre | 01:27 |
| Noskcaj | New indicator plugin version in my PPA | 02:12 |
| bluesabre | ochosi ^ | 02:31 |
| bluesabre | thanks Noskcaj | 02:31 |
| bluesabre | started work on catfish, already removed the embedded pexpect | 02:34 |
| bluesabre | its totally reasonable to assume that I'll have a new release ready the end of the week | 02:34 |
| bluesabre | then maybe knome will let me take a break ;) | 02:35 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: (trusty only) new parole daily builds in https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+recipe/parole-gtk3-daily | 02:36 |
| bluesabre | if not using trusty, you'll get a daily libxfce4ui, which you almost certainly do not want | 02:36 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, good work. I think the devel part of 14.04 is now just bugfixing and packaging | 02:44 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 02:45 |
| bluesabre | somehow it seems we're much more on schedule this cycle | 02:45 |
| bluesabre | it helps that parole-0.6 missed 13.10, most of the dev on it has been done for a while | 02:46 |
| benonsoftware | Hiya, I'm wondering how much RAM would be enough for testing 14.04 inside a VM? | 04:54 |
| pleia2 | at least 512M, I tend to test with 1-1.5G | 04:55 |
| benonsoftware | Thanks :) | 04:56 |
| * benonsoftware will settle with 512, he only has 1.75GB overall RAM :( | 04:57 | |
| pleia2 | if you have a really poor experience with 512 that'd be worth knowing too, as we're always looking to evaluate our min specs | 04:59 |
| benonsoftware | Just running it now as a live system, it's actually running very nicely for me :) | 05:04 |
| pleia2 | cool | 05:05 |
| benonsoftware | I've been noticing the work the the Xubuntu team has been doing, a great job. :D | 05:16 |
| ochosi | nice, i can confirm that the indicator-plugin package from Noskcaj does solve some issues (labels being cut etc), so now it seems there are mostly some indicator-internal issues left | 08:02 |
| elfy | ochosi: do we want to check anymore than light-locker locks and unlocks the screen? | 08:51 |
| knome | benonsoftware, thanks! (re: g+ invite, i'm not using g+, so thanks, but can't accept ;)) | 09:31 |
| T-kilt | short Hello to all | 09:31 |
| elfy | that'd be Hi then :p | 09:31 |
| elfy | knome: power testcase is done if you get time to look - if not I'll point slicky at it | 09:32 |
| T-kilt | thx elfy | 09:32 |
| T-kilt | Short Question: Experience with Xubuntu 14 alpha 2 and VMware 10 ? Would like to test it fist in VM | 09:33 |
| elfy | no idea about vmware - but I often test in vbox | 09:33 |
| T-kilt | @elfy: would like to use vbox too but company policies are somethimes a pain in the... ;-) | 09:35 |
| meetingology | T-kilt: Error: "elfy:" is not a valid command. | 09:35 |
| T-kilt | at elfy: would like to use vbox too but company policies are somethimes a pain in the... ;-) | 09:36 |
| elfy | just use elfy :p | 09:37 |
| elfy | but yep - understoof | 09:38 |
| T-kilt | elfy: Would like to parcitipate a little in testing. Who would get the bug reports? Special Account for alpha ? | 09:40 |
| elfy | ok | 09:41 |
| elfy | let me find the info for you | 09:41 |
| elfy | you'll need a LP account | 09:41 |
| knome | T-kilt, testing is reported in trackers, no personal info is gathered (if you are worried about that) | 09:41 |
| elfy | T-kilt: can't find what I was looking for - but ^^ have a LP account - use the 2 trackers, report on the trackers, bugs get reported there and they show up | 09:44 |
| elfy | http://xubuntu.org/news/help-us-test-xubuntu-14-04-lts/ | 09:44 |
| elfy | subscribe to the devel mailing list and you'll see what we're testing and when as I call for it | 09:44 |
| T-kilt | knome: thx for the answer. Second Rule: no personal info on test systems ;-) | 09:45 |
| T-kilt | elfy: o.k. . Will join later this day | 09:46 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 09:48 |
| T-kilt | slickmaster: morning ! (depending on timezone) | 09:49 |
| slickymaster | morning here T-kilt ;) | 09:50 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: you around? | 09:50 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: I'm sure you saw this http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/01/24/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:03 | 09:55 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: anyway, I'm kind of hoping you manage to find 5 minutes to help me to sort it out | 09:56 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: sorry, I meant that I wasn't sure you saw it ^^ | 10:02 |
| elfy | morning slickymaster | 10:08 |
| slickymaster | hi, elfy. And a good one for you, too | 10:08 |
| elfy | ty | 10:12 |
| elfy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/1264448 | 10:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1264448 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Date time undersized" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:19 |
| elfy | appears to be fixed now here | 10:19 |
| bluesabre | slickymaster: does that happen in trusty? | 10:59 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: nopes, in Saucy | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | yeah, it seems like something is unstable in saucy | 11:01 |
| bluesabre | glade insta-crashes, menulibre crashes, and mugshot crashes | 11:01 |
| bluesabre | everything seems stable in trusty from what I can tell | 11:01 |
| elfy | it has been for me | 11:01 |
| elfy | apart from the help thing still | 11:02 |
| elfy | bluesabre: ^^ | 11:02 |
| slickymaster | I'll install it in trusty in a minute, and will report you promptly | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | great | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | elfy: I just released mugshot-0.2 which gets rid of the old help | 11:02 |
| elfy | aah okey doke :) | 11:02 |
| bluesabre | now the button takes you to the online docs | 11:02 |
| elfy | ok - thanks :) | 11:03 |
| elfy | bluesabre: re menulibre - anything in particular that you want to test - really don't want to end up with a 30 minute test here :p | 11:04 |
| bluesabre | nothing in particular, the only caveat is that adding launchers to the top-most level of the menu doesn't work in xfce from what I can tell | 11:05 |
| elfy | and are we going to be dealing with the edit menu option not being there if you right click properties menu ? | 11:05 |
| elfy | ok - will bear that in mind | 11:05 |
| bluesabre | the edit menu will be changed to point to menulibre once its added to the seed | 11:06 |
| elfy | cool - that was all I needed to know then :p | 11:06 |
| bluesabre | if you notice any peculiarities, go ahead and file a bug, that way I'm sure to get to it | 11:07 |
| elfy | yep | 11:07 |
| elfy | not looked at it properly yet - just installed it | 11:07 |
| bluesabre | alrighty | 11:08 |
| bluesabre | gotta run, be back tonight. good luck! | 11:13 |
| elfy | have a day :) | 11:14 |
| elfy | slickymaster: if you get chance there's a draft power testcase ready for looking at | 11:37 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: it doesn't happen in trusty. | 11:38 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: what we discussed about the web camera in mugshot | 11:39 |
| slickymaster | elfy: do you want me to review it or to enhance it? | 11:39 |
| elfy | slickymaster: that's good then - I didn't have any issues either - other than installing that one package | 11:39 |
| elfy | slickymaster: up to you - I'm trying to make tests as simple as possible | 11:40 |
| elfy | have you seen the gthumb one :| | 11:40 |
| slickymaster | elfy: can you provide me a link to it? | 11:40 |
| elfy | https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1270911/+merge/203282 | 11:41 |
| elfy | sorry - a bit all over the place tis morning :) | 11:41 |
| slickymaster | elfy: it was me who wrote the gthumb test | 11:42 |
| slickymaster | do you think it needs some kind of tweaking? | 11:42 |
| elfy | it is long is all | 11:42 |
| elfy | there's not really much we can do with it though | 11:43 |
| slickymaster | elfy: thing is that gthumb has a lot of options/menus to work with | 11:44 |
| elfy | I know :) | 11:44 |
| elfy | there's not really much we can do with it though | 11:44 |
| elfy | :) | 11:44 |
| slickymaster | elfy: I'll review your MP 1270911 this afternoon and will try to re-read the gthumb one too see if somehow it can be trimmed | 11:45 |
| slickymaster | to, not too ^ | 11:46 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ok for the MP - really don't bother with gthumb - maybe we can look for Unreal Unicorn when it turns up | 11:46 |
| slickymaster | your code names are starting to growing on me, elfy | 11:48 |
| slickymaster | :) | 11:48 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 11:48 |
| T-kilt | Download Link for XUbuntu Alpha 2 Brocken ? | 11:51 |
| T-kilt | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140121.1/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso | 11:51 |
| elfy | where did you get that from? | 11:52 |
| T-kilt | From Ubuntu HP | 11:52 |
| T-kilt | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61654/downloads | 11:52 |
| elfy | oh right | 11:53 |
| elfy | yea - that's gone now :) | 11:53 |
| T-kilt | Which should i choose ? | 11:53 |
| elfy | use the dailies | 11:53 |
| T-kilt | o.k. thx | 11:54 |
| elfy | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140127/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso | 11:54 |
| T-kilt | Working | 11:55 |
| elfy | T-kilt: if you actually want the A2 then you can get it http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha-2/ | 11:55 |
| elfy | but the daily is just that plus new updates | 11:55 |
| T-kilt | I will take the daily. Plans about integration of libimobiledevice version 1.6 ? | 11:58 |
| elfy | no idea I'm afraid | 11:59 |
| T-kilt | no Problem, will try it myself :-) | 12:00 |
| slickymaster | lunch time | 13:13 |
| slickymaster | bbl -> | 13:13 |
| elfy | knome: I guess we'll need to think about upgrade testing | 14:19 |
| T-kilt | 15:21 | |
| brainwash | ochosi: /join #shimmer | 16:06 |
| brainwash | woops | 16:06 |
| brainwash | I was about to ask a greeter related question here, but then I thought why no use #shimmer instead :) | 16:07 |
| brainwash | elfy: is bug 1261660 not fixed yet? | 17:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1261660 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "User session fails to accept settings 32bit" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261660 | 17:06 |
| elfy | yea | 17:12 |
| elfy | some guy wandering round fiddling with bugs | 17:13 |
| brainwash | yes, my mail box got spammed with those bug report status changes | 17:13 |
| elfy | mine too - can't keep up | 17:14 |
| elfy | I'll mark it as a dupe | 17:14 |
| brainwash | ok :) | 17:14 |
| brainwash | btw do you prefer 32px or 48px sized desktop icons? https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/desktop-icon-size/+merge/202944 | 17:15 |
| elfy | asking the wrong person I'm afraid | 17:15 |
| elfy | I prefer an empty desktop :p | 17:15 |
| brainwash | 32 is the default, but xfdesktop somehow sets the size to 36 | 17:16 |
| elfy | sorry - I'm completely meh about that :) | 17:16 |
| brainwash | and 36 is "invalid", because some icons simply do no scale | 17:16 |
| brainwash | ok, I just want to get it fixed and not wait until it's april =S | 17:17 |
| elfy | :) | 17:17 |
| elfy | same guy has decided that gtk3 inds is low priority :p | 17:18 |
| brainwash | it is low apparently | 17:18 |
| brainwash | otherwise we would already have them :D | 17:18 |
| brainwash | but the new indicator plugin is in great shape, many things have been fixed | 17:19 |
| ali1234 | he set bug 1074314 as high | 17:20 |
| ubottu | bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074314 | 17:20 |
| elfy | I've turned of the date thing now that looks normal | 17:20 |
| brainwash | ali1234: is "INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes" still required? | 17:23 |
| ali1234 | yes | 17:23 |
| brainwash | that's bad news | 17:25 |
| ali1234 | bug tedg about it | 17:25 |
| brainwash | it's bug 1185565, right? | 17:26 |
| ubottu | bug 1185565 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Indicators should have Upstart jobs" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185565 | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | that's the catch-all bug for the rewrite yes | 17:26 |
| brainwash | does not look like we can expect any support | 17:30 |
| brainwash | and setting the env var for the xubuntu session is only a workaround | 17:31 |
| ali1234 | what do you mean no support? | 17:32 |
| ali1234 | it will be fixed | 17:32 |
| brainwash | in this case everything will be ok | 17:33 |
| slickymaster | elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1270911/+merge/203282 | 17:54 |
| elfy | slickymaster: thanks - merged and synced to tracker - put it in xfce core | 18:13 |
| slickymaster | thanks for that elfy ;) | 18:16 |
| slickymaster | bbl -> | 18:22 |
| elfy | ochosi: http://pastebin.com/rKmcbR2a | 19:43 |
| elfy | if I hear nothing to the contrary I'll try and get that merged and synced tomorrow | 19:43 |
| elfy | hi Noskcaj - what's the story with time and user admins now? | 19:48 |
| Noskcaj | nothings changed that i know of | 19:48 |
| elfy | great | 19:49 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: so when will you know | 19:50 |
| Noskcaj | know what? | 19:50 |
| Noskcaj | Also, my internet is completely dead right now | 19:51 |
| elfy | http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-23-19.00.log.html#l-88 | 19:51 |
| Noskcaj | bluesabre, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6828091/ | 19:54 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: so what exactly are the packages that are missing for us - I'll report it | 19:56 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, gnome-*-admin | 19:56 |
| Noskcaj | time and user | 19:57 |
| elfy | gnome-user-admin no such package | 19:57 |
| Noskcaj | all the binaries should have been the same though | 19:57 |
| elfy | what I don't understand is how this even happened without knowing | 19:57 |
| elfy | should have and are don't always match :p | 19:57 |
| Noskcaj | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+changelog is the changelog | 19:58 |
| Noskcaj | time- and network- | 19:58 |
| elfy | means little to me I'm afraid | 19:58 |
| elfy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1273305 | 20:00 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1273305 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Users and Groups missing recently?" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:00 |
| Unit193 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/162987751/gnome-system-tools_3.0.0-2ubuntu2_3.0.0-3ubuntu1.diff.gz has it, all the files were dropped from the .install files, thus nothing is installed except for the xpm files, so it'd be an expected change. | 20:02 |
| elfy | so simple enough to deal with? | 20:03 |
| Noskcaj | should be. But we noe sync that bit from debian, so you'll need to go and complain in #ubuntu-devel | 20:04 |
| elfy | excellent | 20:04 |
| elfy | from the logs Noskcaj - you appear to be saying you did it | 20:05 |
| elfy | so why should I go anywhere else | 20:05 |
| Unit193 | He did the last one, yeah.. | 20:05 |
| * elfy doesn't understand this stuff :) | 20:05 | |
| elfy | Noskcaj: I'm not blaming you - just reading what you said :) | 20:06 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, yes, at the instruction of pitti, but my understanding of the package is little and i'm not sure ubuntu will be keep to revert this change | 20:06 |
| elfy | mmm | 20:06 |
| elfy | ok | 20:06 |
| Noskcaj | *keen | 20:07 |
| brainwash | elfy: we could use the MATE fork of users-admin | 20:29 |
| brainwash | I assume that it is better maintained | 20:29 |
| Noskcaj | Does ubuntu fully have MATE yet? | 20:30 |
| brainwash | does not look like it is the case | 20:32 |
| brainwash | but debian has all the package or? | 20:33 |
| brainwash | packages | 20:33 |
| brainwash | so they will be synced eventually | 20:33 |
| brainwash | we could also fix bug 1016932 | 20:45 |
| ubottu | bug 1016932 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Setting user as administrator doesn't give him sudoing rights" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016932 | 20:45 |
| brainwash | if we decide to stay with users-admin or the MATE fork | 20:46 |
| knome | elfy, what about upgrade testing you want to think with me? | 21:26 |
| elfy | you want us to do it? | 21:28 |
| knome | sure | 21:33 |
| knome | we've done it in the past, and the LTS->LTS upgrade tests are quite important | 21:33 |
| knome | tbe, we probably should do round 1 for that ASAP | 21:34 |
| knome | because that could give us unexpected problems | 21:34 |
| elfy | yep | 21:34 |
| knome | bbl | 21:34 |
| elfy | I'll be gone | 21:34 |
| elfy | knome: I'm away now - I'd think we'd want to do both 12.04 -> 14.04 and 13.10 ->14.04 | 21:42 |
| elfy | I'll read tomorrow | 21:42 |
| Unit193 | knome: But, can you, before doing the VM update, pretend to customize it a bit? :P | 21:44 |
| slickymaster | night all | 22:35 |
| knome | Unit193, that would be optimal | 22:50 |
| knome | Unit193, i don't think clean 12.04 -> 14.04 upgrade makes too much sense (it does some, but it's not too good for testing real-world situations/problems) | 22:51 |
| Unit193 | I'll likely be moving a couple over before release, but not long before. That'll add some craziness testing there. | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | drat, Noskcaj is not around | 23:09 |
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