[00:48] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: about to do a release with the fix in it
[00:48] <bluesabre> my internet has been out all day, seems to be back somewhat now
[00:49] <Noskcaj> :)
[01:10] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: https://launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0/2.0.1
[01:10] <bluesabre> :)
[01:11] <Noskcaj> thanks
[01:11] <Noskcaj> You are proving that #shimmer is really #xubuntu-devel2 though
[01:11] <bluesabre> in a way
[01:12] <bluesabre> its usually where parole and greeter talk happen so simon and I don't flood this channel
[01:13] <bluesabre> my excuse there is that we're discussing design, so its #shimmer-related :)
[01:13] <bluesabre> right ochosi?
[01:13] <ochosi> yup
[01:13] <ochosi> thing is that parole isn't really xubuntu-related directly
[01:13] <ochosi> same thing goes for the greeter
[01:13] <ochosi> and since it's mostly ppl hanging out in shimmer who happen to work on these projects, we mostly talk about them there
[01:15] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: besides the menulibre2.0.1 update, do we think we can get mugshot into debian as well?
[01:15] <bluesabre> I'll be working on catfish this week
[01:15] <Noskcaj> mugshot should get to debian, i just need to find a sponsor
[01:19] <bluesabre> excellent :)
[01:20] <Noskcaj> Also a new version of pexcept
[01:21] <bluesabre> cool
[01:22] <bluesabre> also, catfish doesn't depend on any specific version of locate
[01:22] <bluesabre> as long as it provides a locate executable, its sufficient
[01:22] <bluesabre> and I think that include mlocate
[01:22] <bluesabre> but I'll document that with the next release
[01:24] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, is https://piuparts.debian.org/sid/fail/menulibre_2.0-1.log fixed in 2.0.1?
[01:24] <ochosi> hm, apart from all the packaging and uploading stuff, currently this looks like one of the more challenging workitems:
[01:24] <ochosi> [xubuntu-dev] Look into creating a GUI for light-locker settings (or integrate into xfce4-powermanager): TODO
[01:25] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: haven't seen that before, so I'm going with no
[01:25] <bluesabre> what is it?
[01:25] <Noskcaj> An (un)installation error
[01:26] <Noskcaj> That might be a bug in piuparts though
[01:27] <bluesabre> yeah, looks unrelated to menulibre
[02:12] <Noskcaj> New indicator plugin version in my PPA
[02:31] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[02:31] <bluesabre> thanks Noskcaj
[02:34] <bluesabre> started work on catfish, already removed the embedded pexpect
[02:34] <bluesabre> its totally reasonable to assume that I'll have a new release ready the end of the week
[02:35] <bluesabre> then maybe knome will let me take a break ;)
[02:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: (trusty only) new parole daily builds in https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/+recipe/parole-gtk3-daily
[02:36] <bluesabre> if not using trusty, you'll get a daily libxfce4ui, which you almost certainly do not want
[02:44] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, good work. I think the devel part of 14.04 is now just bugfixing and packaging
[02:45] <bluesabre> yeah
[02:45] <bluesabre> somehow it seems we're much more on schedule this cycle
[02:46] <bluesabre> it helps that parole-0.6 missed 13.10, most of the dev on it has been done for a while
[04:54] <benonsoftware> Hiya, I'm wondering how much RAM would be enough for testing 14.04 inside a VM?
[04:55] <pleia2> at least 512M, I tend to test with 1-1.5G
[04:56] <benonsoftware> Thanks :)
[04:57]  * benonsoftware will settle with 512, he only has 1.75GB overall RAM :(
[04:59] <pleia2> if you have a really poor experience with 512 that'd be worth knowing too, as we're always looking to evaluate our min specs
[05:04] <benonsoftware> Just running it now as a live system, it's actually running very nicely for me :)
[05:05] <pleia2> cool
[05:16] <benonsoftware> I've been noticing the work the the Xubuntu team has been doing, a great job. :D
[08:02] <ochosi> nice, i can confirm that the indicator-plugin package from Noskcaj does solve some issues (labels being cut etc), so now it seems there are mostly some indicator-internal issues left
[08:51] <elfy> ochosi: do we want to check anymore than light-locker locks and unlocks the screen?
[09:31] <knome> benonsoftware, thanks! (re: g+ invite, i'm not using g+, so thanks, but can't accept ;))
[09:31] <T-kilt> short Hello to all
[09:31] <elfy> that'd be Hi then :p
[09:32] <elfy> knome: power testcase is done if you get time to look - if not I'll point slicky at it 
[09:32] <T-kilt> thx elfy
[09:33] <T-kilt> Short Question: Experience with Xubuntu 14 alpha 2 and VMware 10 ? Would like to test it fist in VM 
[09:33] <elfy> no idea about vmware - but I often test in vbox 
[09:35] <T-kilt> @elfy: would like to use vbox too but company policies are somethimes a pain in the... ;-)
[09:35] <meetingology> T-kilt: Error: "elfy:" is not a valid command.
[09:36] <T-kilt> at elfy: would like to use vbox too but company policies are somethimes a pain in the... ;-)
[09:37] <elfy> just use elfy :p
[09:38] <elfy> but yep - understoof
[09:40] <T-kilt> elfy: Would like to parcitipate a little in testing. Who would get the bug reports? Special Account for alpha ?
[09:41] <elfy> ok 
[09:41] <elfy> let me find the info for you
[09:41] <elfy> you'll need a LP account
[09:41] <knome> T-kilt, testing is reported in trackers, no personal info is gathered (if you are worried about that)
[09:44] <elfy> T-kilt: can't find what I was looking for - but ^^ have a LP account - use the 2 trackers, report on the trackers, bugs get reported there and they show up 
[09:44] <elfy> http://xubuntu.org/news/help-us-test-xubuntu-14-04-lts/
[09:44] <elfy> subscribe to the devel mailing list and you'll see what we're testing and when as I call for it
[09:45] <T-kilt> knome: thx for the answer. Second  Rule: no personal info on test systems ;-)
[09:46] <T-kilt> elfy: o.k. . Will join later this day
[09:48] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:49] <T-kilt> slickmaster: morning ! (depending on timezone)
[09:50] <slickymaster> morning here T-kilt ;)
[09:50] <slickymaster> bluesabre: you around?
[09:55] <slickymaster> bluesabre: I'm sure you saw this http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/01/24/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t16:03
[09:56] <slickymaster> bluesabre: anyway, I'm kind of hoping you manage to find 5 minutes to help me to sort it out
[10:02] <slickymaster> bluesabre: sorry, I meant that I wasn't sure  you saw it ^^
[10:08] <elfy> morning slickymaster 
[10:08] <slickymaster> hi, elfy. And a good one for you, too
[10:12] <elfy> ty 
[10:19] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/1264448
[10:19] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1264448 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "Date time undersized" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:19] <elfy> appears to be fixed now here
[10:59] <bluesabre> slickymaster: does that happen in trusty?
[11:00] <slickymaster> bluesabre: nopes, in Saucy
[11:01] <bluesabre> yeah, it seems like something is unstable in saucy
[11:01] <bluesabre> glade insta-crashes, menulibre crashes, and mugshot crashes
[11:01] <bluesabre> everything seems stable in trusty from what I can tell
[11:01] <elfy> it has been for me 
[11:02] <elfy> apart from the help thing still
[11:02] <elfy> bluesabre: ^^
[11:02] <slickymaster> I'll install it in trusty in a minute, and will report you promptly 
[11:02] <bluesabre> great
[11:02] <bluesabre> elfy: I just released mugshot-0.2 which gets rid of the old help
[11:02] <elfy> aah okey doke :)
[11:02] <bluesabre> now the button takes you to the online docs
[11:03] <elfy> ok - thanks :)
[11:04] <elfy> bluesabre: re menulibre - anything in particular that you want to test - really don't want to end up with a 30 minute test here :p
[11:05] <bluesabre> nothing in particular, the only caveat is that adding launchers to the top-most level of the menu doesn't work in xfce from what I can tell
[11:05] <elfy> and are we going to be dealing with the edit menu option not being there if you right click properties menu ?
[11:05] <elfy> ok - will bear that in mind
[11:06] <bluesabre> the edit menu will be changed to point to menulibre once its added to the seed
[11:06] <elfy> cool - that was all I needed to know then :p
[11:07] <bluesabre> if you notice any peculiarities, go ahead and file a bug, that way I'm sure to get to it
[11:07] <elfy> yep
[11:07] <elfy> not looked at it properly yet - just installed it 
[11:08] <bluesabre> alrighty
[11:13] <bluesabre> gotta run, be back tonight.  good luck!
[11:14] <elfy> have a day :)
[11:37] <elfy> slickymaster: if you get chance there's a draft power testcase ready for looking at
[11:38] <slickymaster> bluesabre: it doesn't happen in trusty.
[11:39] <slickymaster> bluesabre: what we discussed about the web camera in mugshot
[11:39] <slickymaster> elfy: do you want me to review it or to enhance it?
[11:39] <elfy> slickymaster: that's good then - I didn't have any issues either - other than installing that one package
[11:40] <elfy> slickymaster: up to you - I'm trying to make tests as simple as possible
[11:40] <elfy> have you seen the gthumb one :|
[11:40] <slickymaster> elfy: can you provide me a link to it?
[11:41] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1270911/+merge/203282
[11:41] <elfy> sorry - a bit all over the place tis morning :)
[11:42] <slickymaster> elfy: it was me who wrote the gthumb test
[11:42] <slickymaster> do you think it needs some kind of tweaking?
[11:42] <elfy> it is long is all
[11:43] <elfy> there's not really much we can do with it though
[11:44] <slickymaster> elfy: thing is that gthumb has a lot of options/menus to work with
[11:44] <elfy> I know :)
[11:44] <elfy> there's not really much we can do with it though
[11:44] <elfy> :)
[11:45] <slickymaster> elfy: I'll review your MP 1270911 this afternoon and will try to re-read the gthumb one too see if somehow it can be trimmed
[11:46] <slickymaster> to, not too ^
[11:46] <elfy> slickymaster: ok for the MP - really don't bother with gthumb - maybe we can look for Unreal Unicorn when it turns up 
[11:48] <slickymaster> your code names are starting to growing on me, elfy 
[11:48] <slickymaster> :)
[11:48] <elfy> ha ha ha
[11:51] <T-kilt> Download Link for XUbuntu Alpha 2 Brocken ?
[11:51] <T-kilt> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140121.1/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:52] <elfy> where did you get that from? 
[11:52] <T-kilt> From Ubuntu HP 
[11:52] <T-kilt> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/310/builds/61654/downloads
[11:53] <elfy> oh right 
[11:53] <elfy> yea - that's gone now :)
[11:53] <T-kilt> Which should i choose ?
[11:53] <elfy> use the dailies
[11:54] <T-kilt> o.k. thx
[11:54] <elfy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20140127/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso
[11:55] <T-kilt> Working
[11:55] <elfy> T-kilt: if you actually want the A2 then you can get it http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha-2/
[11:55] <elfy> but the daily is just that plus new updates 
[11:58] <T-kilt> I will take the daily. Plans about integration of libimobiledevice version 1.6 ?
[11:59] <elfy> no idea I'm afraid
[12:00] <T-kilt> no Problem, will try it myself :-)
[13:13] <slickymaster> lunch time
[13:13] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[14:19] <elfy> knome: I guess we'll need to think about upgrade testing 
[15:21] <T-kilt>  
[16:06] <brainwash> ochosi: /join #shimmer
[16:06] <brainwash> woops
[16:07] <brainwash> I was about to ask a greeter related question here, but then I thought why no use #shimmer instead :)
[17:06] <brainwash> elfy: is bug 1261660 not fixed yet?
[17:06] <ubottu> bug 1261660 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "User session fails to accept settings 32bit" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261660
[17:12] <elfy> yea
[17:13] <elfy> some guy wandering round fiddling with bugs
[17:13] <brainwash> yes, my mail box got spammed with those bug report status changes
[17:14] <elfy> mine too - can't keep up 
[17:14] <elfy> I'll mark it as a dupe
[17:14] <brainwash> ok :)
[17:15] <brainwash> btw do you prefer 32px or 48px sized desktop icons? https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/xubuntu-default-settings/desktop-icon-size/+merge/202944
[17:15] <elfy> asking the wrong person I'm afraid
[17:15] <elfy> I prefer an empty desktop :p
[17:16] <brainwash> 32 is the default, but xfdesktop somehow sets the size to 36
[17:16] <elfy> sorry - I'm completely meh about that :)
[17:16] <brainwash> and 36 is "invalid", because some icons simply do no scale
[17:17] <brainwash> ok, I just want to get it fixed and not wait until it's april =S
[17:17] <elfy> :)
[17:18] <elfy> same guy has decided that gtk3 inds is low priority :p
[17:18] <brainwash> it is low apparently
[17:18] <brainwash> otherwise we would already have them :D
[17:19] <brainwash> but the new indicator plugin is in great shape, many things have been fixed
[17:20] <ali1234> he set bug 1074314 as high
[17:20] <ubottu> bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074314
[17:20] <elfy> I've turned of the date thing now that looks normal
[17:23] <brainwash> ali1234: is "INDICATOR_ALLOW_NO_WATCHERS=yes" still required?
[17:23] <ali1234> yes
[17:25] <brainwash> that's bad news
[17:25] <ali1234> bug tedg about it
[17:26] <brainwash> it's bug 1185565, right?
[17:26] <ubottu> bug 1185565 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Indicators should have Upstart jobs" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185565
[17:26] <ali1234> that's the catch-all bug for the rewrite yes
[17:30] <brainwash> does not look like we can expect any support
[17:31] <brainwash> and setting the env var for the xubuntu session is only a workaround
[17:32] <ali1234> what do you mean no support?
[17:32] <ali1234> it will be fixed
[17:33] <brainwash> in this case everything will be ok
[17:54] <slickymaster> elfy: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1270911/+merge/203282
[18:13] <elfy> slickymaster: thanks - merged and synced to tracker - put it in xfce core
[18:16] <slickymaster> thanks for that elfy ;)
[18:22] <slickymaster> bbl ->
[19:43] <elfy> ochosi: http://pastebin.com/rKmcbR2a 
[19:43] <elfy> if I hear nothing to the contrary I'll try and get that merged and synced tomorrow
[19:48] <elfy> hi Noskcaj - what's the story with time and user admins now?
[19:48] <Noskcaj> nothings changed that i know of
[19:49] <elfy> great
[19:50] <elfy> Noskcaj: so when will you know 
[19:50] <Noskcaj> know what? 
[19:51] <Noskcaj> Also, my internet is completely dead right now
[19:51] <elfy> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-23-19.00.log.html#l-88
[19:54] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6828091/
[19:56] <elfy> Noskcaj: so what exactly are the packages that are missing for us - I'll report it
[19:56] <Noskcaj> elfy, gnome-*-admin
[19:57] <Noskcaj> time and user
[19:57] <elfy> gnome-user-admin no such package
[19:57] <Noskcaj> all the binaries should have been the same though
[19:57] <elfy> what I don't understand is how this even happened without knowing
[19:57] <elfy> should have and are don't always match :p
[19:58] <Noskcaj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+changelog is the changelog
[19:58] <Noskcaj> time- and network-
[19:58] <elfy> means little to me I'm afraid
[20:00] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/1273305
[20:00] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1273305 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Users and Groups missing recently?" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:02] <Unit193> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/162987751/gnome-system-tools_3.0.0-2ubuntu2_3.0.0-3ubuntu1.diff.gz has it, all the files were dropped from the .install files, thus nothing is installed except for the xpm files, so it'd be an expected change.
[20:03] <elfy> so simple enough to deal with?
[20:04] <Noskcaj> should be. But we noe sync that bit from debian, so you'll need to go and complain in #ubuntu-devel
[20:04] <elfy> excellent
[20:05] <elfy> from the logs Noskcaj - you appear to be saying you did it
[20:05] <elfy> so why should I go anywhere else 
[20:05] <Unit193> He did the last one, yeah..
[20:05]  * elfy doesn't understand this stuff :)
[20:06] <elfy> Noskcaj: I'm not blaming you - just reading what you said :)
[20:06] <Noskcaj> elfy, yes, at the instruction of pitti, but my understanding of the package is little and i'm not sure ubuntu will be keep to revert this change
[20:06] <elfy> mmm
[20:06] <elfy> ok
[20:07] <Noskcaj> *keen
[20:29] <brainwash> elfy: we could use the MATE fork of users-admin
[20:29] <brainwash> I assume that it is better maintained 
[20:30] <Noskcaj> Does ubuntu fully have MATE yet?
[20:32] <brainwash> does not look like it is the case
[20:33] <brainwash> but debian has all the package or?
[20:33] <brainwash> packages
[20:33] <brainwash> so they will be synced eventually
[20:45] <brainwash> we could also fix bug 1016932
[20:45] <ubottu> bug 1016932 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "Setting user as administrator doesn't give him sudoing rights" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016932
[20:46] <brainwash> if we decide to stay with users-admin or the MATE fork
[21:26] <knome> elfy, what about upgrade testing you want to think with me?
[21:28] <elfy> you want us to do it? 
[21:33] <knome> sure
[21:33] <knome> we've done it in the past, and the LTS->LTS upgrade tests are quite important
[21:34] <knome> tbe, we probably should do round 1 for that ASAP
[21:34] <knome> because that could give us unexpected problems
[21:34] <elfy> yep
[21:34] <knome> bbl
[21:34] <elfy> I'll be gone
[21:42] <elfy> knome: I'm away now - I'd think we'd want to do both 12.04 -> 14.04 and 13.10 ->14.04 
[21:42] <elfy> I'll read tomorrow
[21:44] <Unit193> knome: But, can you, before doing the VM update, pretend to customize it a bit? :P
[22:35] <slickymaster> night all
[22:50] <knome> Unit193, that would be optimal
[22:51] <knome> Unit193, i don't think clean 12.04 -> 14.04 upgrade makes too much sense (it does some, but it's not too good for testing real-world situations/problems)
[22:52] <Unit193> I'll likely be moving a couple over before release, but not long before.  That'll add some craziness testing there.
[23:09] <bluesabre> drat, Noskcaj is not around