[00:19] <xubuntu512> Hi
[00:19] <knome> hello
[00:19] <xubuntu512> I need help
[00:19] <knome> just ask; people will most likely answer if they are around and know the answer
[00:22] <xubuntu512> My xubuntu is on a 4.7 gb disc and won't boot right it says "starting boot" then it shows this little picture of something at the bottom of the screen then it has a blinking cursor then turns black
[00:22] <xubuntu512> and does not do anything
[01:19] <samineru> Xubuntu 13.10 seems to be ignoring my power settings regarding closing the lid. It suspends when settings for AC and Battery both are set to "Do Nothing." This is a Lenovo W500
[01:19] <ochosi> samineru: known issue, edit your /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[09:36] <xubuntu681> hello
[09:36] <xubuntu681> could i upgrade from 12.10 to 13.10?
[09:38] <xubuntu681> ????
[09:38] <xubuntu681> anybody is here?
[09:40] <koegs> xubuntu681: not directly
[09:40] <koegs> you have to upgrade to 13.04 first
[10:27] <jarkko_> i have kubuntu
[10:27] <jarkko_> how do i install xfce on it?
[10:27] <jarkko_> via command line
[10:27] <jarkko_> sudo apt-get install xfce4 ?
[10:30] <baizon> jarkko_: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:30] <jarkko_> do i have then kde and xfce?
[10:31] <jarkko_> or just xfce?
[10:31] <baizon> jarkko_: indeed
[10:31] <baizon> jarkko_:  both
[10:31] <jarkko_> has anyone really done it?
[10:31] <jarkko_> or tested it
[10:31] <jarkko_> that it doesnt break
[10:31] <baizon> jarkko_: yes i did it 3x
[10:31] <baizon> it doesnt break anything :)
[10:32] <jarkko_> wants to install around 600mb files
[10:32] <baizon> it would be more complicated to go from kde to xfce and then remove all the kde stuff
[10:32] <baizon> jarkko_: yes it will
[10:32] <jarkko_> are the configs the same?
[10:32] <jarkko_> or seperate?
[10:32] <baizon> jarkko_: xfce got his own config folder if it is what you mean
[10:32] <jarkko_> thats what i mean
[10:33] <jarkko_> is the xorg same?
[10:33] <baizon> jarkko_: yes it is
[10:57] <jarkko_> baizon: i did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and i got normal kde with extra programs
[10:57] <jarkko_> this is not how it should be
[10:57] <baizon> jarkko_: yes you have the xfce programs too now
[10:57] <baizon> jarkko_: then hide them :)
[10:57] <jarkko_> but i dont have xfce
[10:57] <jarkko_> i have kde
[10:58] <jarkko_> most likely i should install something more
[10:58] <elfy> logout and change the session to xubuntu
[11:01] <jarkko> baizon: you are right
[11:01] <jarkko> baizon: works now
[11:02] <jarkko> baizon: can i swap the top bar to bottom?
[11:04] <baizon> jarkko: yes you can
[11:04] <baizon> jarkko: unlock and just move it
[11:05] <cub> jarkko, right click on the panel, choose Panel and Panel Properties
[11:05] <cub> Preferences, not properties, sry
[11:06] <jarkko> cant fight how to move bottom
[11:07] <jarkko> find
[11:07] <elfy> it'll be locked - look where cub pointed you
[11:07] <jarkko> i unlocked
[11:08] <elfy> drag it
[11:08] <cub> jarkko, perhaps you already have a panel at the bottom as well?
[11:08] <cub> I'n ot sure how it handles that
[11:09] <elfy> seem to overlap
[11:15] <baizon> jarkko: yes, remove the other panel, that is already on the bottom
[12:00] <jarkko> baizon: i was able to move the bar bottom
[12:00] <jarkko> can i move the bottom panel top?
[12:01] <baizon> jarkko: yes
[12:01] <jarkko> did it
[12:01] <baizon> the same way, as you did with the top panel
[12:01] <baizon> ok
[12:01] <jarkko> i played one game dota2
[12:01] <baizon> and?
[12:01] <jarkko> and my keyboard didnt work as expected
[12:01] <jarkko> and i had some ati driver warning...
[12:02] <jarkko> i reboot
[12:02] <jarkko> back soon
[12:04] <jarkko__> rebooted
[12:04] <jarkko__> so the xfce seem to be default now
[12:06] <jarkko__> there are some crossover shortcuts on desktop, they should be safe to remove there ?
[12:09] <cub> What is the "best" way to make my xubuntu boot into text mode? I've read several options with "quiet splash text", change init or stop the lightdm service. I would like my eee pc to normally start with just the terminal, network acess. Then to be able to start the DE when I want to. Any suggestions?
[12:36] <elfy> cub: maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode will help
[12:42] <elfy> cub: in that page the answer with sudo bash -c 'echo "manual" >> /etc/init/lightdm.override' works here
[13:07] <jarkko> i cant alt+tab on xfce while in dota2?
[13:08] <cfhowlett> jarkko, not if dota2 has seized that keybinding ...
[13:09] <jarkko> cfhowlett: its up to dota?
[13:09] <Sysi> if you run it on wine, that's to be expected
[13:09] <jarkko> i dont run it from wine
[13:09] <cfhowlett> jarkko, many programs/apps/games do the unexpectged
[13:11] <Sysi> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota-2/issues/348
[13:11] <jarkko> well alt+tab worked on kde
[13:12] <cfhowlett> jarkko, so use KDE - problem solved.
[13:13] <Sysi> as mentioned behind the link I posted, it depends about the DE (WM)
[13:13] <jarkko> i read it
[13:14] <cub> thanks elfy , I'll go for that one I think.
[13:14] <jarkko> i installed xfce from command line, it had some suggested packages and recommended..i am pretty sure i didnt install them
[13:14] <jarkko> how do i install them afterwards?
[13:15] <elfy> cub: was certainly the easiest one :)
[13:29] <newvista> Good Day all... I have identified some shortcuts attached to the Super key, such as S+w to launch the web browser. Is there a way to assign / change other key bindings?
[13:29] <elfy> newvista: settings manager - keyboard - app shortcuts
[13:30] <elfy> and settings manager - settings editor - xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts
[13:37] <newvista> Thanks elfy. Does it matter which one I use?
[13:37] <elfy> first one is easier
[13:37] <elfy> depends what you're up to :)
[13:38] <newvista> Great! Thanks heaps.
[13:40] <newvista> Firefox does not show the icons on the bookmark toolbar. Is there a fix?
[13:52] <jarkko> newvista: do you mean the toolbar middle of the screen, bottom or top?
[14:03] <newvista> jarko: I have the bookmarks toolbar docked at the top of the browser, under the address bar.
[15:17] <newvista> How can I change the preferred web browser from Firefox to chromium-browser?
[15:19] <starrats> newvista go to settings manager and look for preferred settings.
[15:19] <starrats> excuse me meant preferred applications
[15:22] <newvista> starrats: Thanks, so there is only 4 preferred apps?
[15:22] <starrats> I guess that's what I saw this morning myself
[15:26] <newvista> How about different file types? Linux doesn't support file types by extension ... ?
[15:27] <starrats> newvista at the bottom of the menu list there is the xubuntu website, that will give you a lot of info.
[15:34] <Sysi> newvista: there's MIME type editor in settings manager, or you can just right click on a file in file manager and change it in properties
[15:43] <newvista> sysi: that's helpful, thanks
[16:04] <Unhammer> With this new light-locker replacing xscreensaver, what are my options for having an image slideshow show up when I lock my screen?
[16:05] <Unhammer> can i get lightdm to show an image slideshow?
[16:05] <Unhammer> or will I have to reinstall xscreensaver to have that?
[16:05] <brainwash> Unhammer: you will have to continue using xscreensaver
[16:07] <Unhammer> ok :/
[16:07] <Unhammer> maybe long-term I could make my own lightdm greeter =P
[16:08] <brainwash> sounds interesting
[17:18] <kblin> hi folks
[17:18] <elfy> hi
[17:21] <kblin> I'm currently playing with a 14.04 daily, but those seem to come only with the unity desktop installed. how do I get rid of that unity stuff?
[17:21] <elfy> kblin: either #ubuntu+1 or you can pop into #xubuntu-devel
[17:22] <elfy> I see you in +1
[18:36] <Golynx> Hi . Why do i have both Xfce Session and Xubuntu Session options included with the Ubuntu unity login options ?
[18:37] <Golynx> Which one is the correct version of Xfce.
[18:51] <junka> Golynx: why dont you try them both? I know I would
[18:52] <Golynx> junka i'm using Xfce session now, and it uses the same memory ram as unity 2D . I thought it would be les
[18:53] <junka> ubuntu 12.04?
[18:54] <Golynx> yes
[18:55] <junka> try lubuntu
[18:55] <junka> it's the lightest
[18:56] <Golynx> Nope i dont like Lubuntu, its not looking good
[18:56] <junka> ha
[18:56] <junka> go xubuntu then
[18:57] <bekks> Golynx: Then you have to live with the RAM consumption you are experiencing. Lubuntu is the lightest, in terms of RAM and resource usage.
[18:57] <Golynx> But its using the same amount of ram with the same apps open as it was in Unity 2D
[18:57] <junka> so what
[18:58] <Golynx> Ok bekks i guess so
[18:58] <junka> unity 2d is not even supported anymore
[18:58] <Golynx> thanks guys
[19:08] <Golynx> Ok . Is it ok to keep zeitgeist around in xubuntu ?
[19:09] <junka> xubuntu is a distro. XFCE is a DE
[19:11] <Golynx> So is Xubuntu session the real thing . And Xfce session the demo?
[19:24] <Sysi> Golynx: on first login selecting xfce session loads different default settings than xubuntu session, after that it won't matter because user's personal setting are stored to the home folder
[19:25] <tc1100> hey im having an issue here
[19:26] <tc1100> its not letting me enter a 15 character wifi password
[19:26] <tc1100> all my other systems run windows and can connect fine
[19:27] <Sysi> my wifi with 15 character passwd works fine
[19:27] <jarkko__> tc1100: britney spears would say that i am overprotected
[19:27] <junka> by birth
[19:27] <tc1100> the "connect" button greys out when i get to 15 characters
[19:28] <tc1100> i just fixed it nevermind
[19:28] <tc1100> the popup dialogue was prompting me for wep only
[19:28] <tc1100> im using wpa2 eas
[19:28] <tc1100> i had to go into the actual settings and change that
[19:29] <Golynx> Sysi: so both Xfce session and Xubuntu session is configured differently, and thats what seperates them ?
[19:30] <Golynx> I'm only using Xfce session btw, to be on the sasfe side :)
[19:30] <Golynx> safe*
[19:30] <Sysi> Golynx: different theme and panel setup, and it will be loaded only on first login anyway
[19:31] <Golynx> Ok cool, i understand thanks Sysi :)
[20:18] <kblin> evening folks
[20:20] <kblin> I'm trying to figure out how to switch my sound from HDMI output to headphones (aka analog stereo) when headphones are plugged in. currently I always need to manually toggle this in the sound settings
[20:21] <kblin> however, my google-fu is coming up empty. any pointers?
[20:22] <bazhang> using padevchooser/pavucontrol or the like?
[20:23] <Sysi> if you set headphones as fallback, isn't that selection re-enabled after you replug them?
[20:24] <Sysi> at least individual sound sources remember the device I've set them, even if I re-plug my usb soundcard
[20:25] <kblin> bazhang: yup
[20:25] <kblin> bazhang: actually, I'd prefer the switching to be automatic
[20:25] <kblin> Sysi: well, analog stereo doesn't disappear if I remove the headphones
[20:26] <bazhang> I cant really help there as I always leave my headphones in :)
[20:26] <bazhang> the computer , that is
[20:27] <kblin> well, I guess a hotkey would work as well
[20:27] <kblin> it's just a bit annoying having to open a menu all the time
[20:51] <r0b-> so was i talking to yesterday about ATI drivers in Xubuntu?
[20:52] <kblin> hm, also I'd be happy if my screen wouldn't switch off after some minutes of of inactivity, even though I set it not to
[20:53] <brainwash> kblin: check your power manager and xscreensaver settings
[20:54]  * r0b- is going to try using the FGLRX-UPDATES driver
[21:00] <kblin> brainwash: I'll double check, but both should be off
[21:01] <brainwash> kblin: do both processes actually run in the background?
[21:01] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager and xscreensaver
[21:02] <kblin> yup
[21:02] <brainwash> run "xset q" to verify that the timeout values are correct
[21:03] <brainwash> look for "Screen Saver" and "DPMS"
[21:04] <kblin> ah. now the timeout values stuck
[21:26] <ct85711> Maybe someone could help me on a strange error; I'm getting a read only error when trying to transfer a file to a disk within thunar, even though the mounts is set for rw and owners is set correctly
[21:26] <ct85711> however moving the file via command line works perfectly fine without anny issue
[21:31] <ct85711> the issue also only happens on random files, others transfer fine; and I am also able to create folders directly on the disk without any issue either
[22:06] <adrenaline_> ct85711, in the cli do a ls -la and check file permissions for each file
[22:07] <r0b-> anyone else having issues with ATI's driver in Ubuntu 13.10?
[22:09] <ct85711> adrenaline_: I checked, the file's and folders permissions are all 533 with owner & groupings set to the user
[22:10] <starrats> lol
[22:14] <Fily> Dear friends, I have a laptop which supports Ubuntu until 11.10 version. Now some friends guggest me to install Xubuntu 13.10. Do you think it is a good exercise? I'd install it on my virtual machine on my laptop
[22:19] <starrats> Fily I'm running a win7 laptop with xubuntu on VirtualBox and all is just fine.
[22:25] <ct85711> here's the error message I am getting, just a regular attempt to move a file (within the file manager) http://imagebin.org/289384, the second file is the attempt via command line http://imagebin.org/289385
[22:36] <Sysi> running outdated xubuntu is not wise
[22:47] <luca> Dear friens, where can I download xubuntu 13.10?
[22:47] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ right there.
[22:48] <ct85711> luca the link to download is up in the topic
[22:48] <slickymaster> luca, here you go: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/release/
[22:48] <starrats> xubuntu.com or go to google luca
[23:05] <mlody> Hi can some one help me on grub?
[23:09] <xubuntu943> So I having a issuse where i am trying to install Xubuntu. Everytime get to the screen where I pick where to install it my hard drive dose not show up. At frist I thought the hard drive was bad, but I used disks to run smart tests and it found the drive to be good. I then tried installed windows 7, no problems at all. I begin to try other drives and found I have this problem with 3 other drives. They are all seagate 320gb and at 
[23:09] <xubuntu943> anyone have any ideas
[23:12] <binalith> hi, new user looking for some advice
[23:14] <ct85711> what advice do you need binalith ?
[23:14] <binalith> trying to access  /etc/systemd/logind.conf to set my laptop to not hibernate when closed as I have a vga monitor attached. I have set up root access but eben when logged in on the terminal I keep getting permission denied
[23:15] <binalith> *eben = even. sorry
[23:15] <mlody> sudo?
[23:15] <mlody> you need root
[23:16] <mlody> You have all aplication run after restart?
[23:16] <binalith> supposedly I do have root, I just did "sudo passwd root"
[23:17] <binalith> oh, do i need to restart?
[23:18] <adrenaline_> binalith, try this
[23:18] <adrenaline_> sudo su -
[23:18] <adrenaline_> then your user password
[23:18] <xubuntu623> Time after time i try new versions of Xubuntu and icons in menu / setting / file manager flash on and off. This I believe is a display library related to xfce as it doesn't happen in other desktops. get same issue over different hardware so others must be experiencing same as me. even typing this now the fonts disappear and reappear in firefox.
[23:19] <adrenaline_> you should see the $ turn into #
[23:19] <dunpeal> Hi. I'd like to build a binary that has many dependencies (mplayer2). Is there a way to tell Xubuntu to install all the dependencies (i.e. -dev packages and headers and such) required by the build?
[23:19] <adrenaline_> then just type password only
[23:19] <binalith> ok, thanks I'll try that. one sec.
[23:20] <adrenaline_> passwd only
[23:20] <adrenaline_> without the only
[23:20] <adrenaline_> that should create a password for root
[23:21] <binalith> i did sudo su -  typed passwd. got the # then tried /etc/systemd/logind.conf and got 'permission denied'
[23:22] <adrenaline_> wait
[23:22] <adrenaline_> do this
[23:22] <adrenaline_> sudo su -
[23:22] <adrenaline_> then your userpasword
[23:22] <xubuntu623> the mix of ubuntu plus xfce somethings wrong and has been for a number of releases. Fedora plus xfce works normally on same xfce version
[23:22] <adrenaline_> binalith, I think I confused you lets just do this
[23:22] <adrenaline_> sudo su -
[23:22] <brainwash> dunpeal: sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer2
[23:22] <adrenaline_> then your user password
[23:23] <dunpeal> brainwash: thanks
[23:23] <adrenaline_> now you are root
[23:23] <adrenaline_> if you want to create a root password type passwd
[23:24] <binalith> still got permission denied on /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[23:24] <xubuntu623> am using pentium 4 early duo core hardware there must be a patch or trick
[23:24] <adrenaline_> binalith, ls -la /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[23:26] <binalith> i guess it doesnt exist
[23:27] <binalith> im trying to do this: HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[23:27] <binalith> HandleLidSwitch=ignore
[23:28] <brainwash> binalith: xfce4-power-manager has been patched, the new version is currently available in saucy-proposed and very soon in release
[23:29] <brainwash> see bug 1222021
[23:30] <binalith> ok, do I just download saucy-proposed?
[23:30] <adrenaline_> binalith, what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:30] <brainwash> you have to enable saucy-proposed, (re)install xfce4-power-manager and then disable the proposed repo
[23:31] <binalith> I'
[23:31] <binalith> I'm trying to get my laptop to not hibernate so I can close it with a monitor attached
[23:32] <adrenaline_> cant you just do that in the power settings?
[23:32] <brainwash> it actually does not hibernate, it suspends
[23:32] <binalith> apparently not
[23:32] <binalith> yes it suspends
[23:32] <brainwash> adrenaline_: see the linked bug report
[23:32] <binalith> disconnects from wifi and blacks out monitor
[23:32] <binalith> etc
[23:32] <luca> ct85711, I'm running xubuntu 13.10 on virtualbox after downloading it
[23:33] <xubuntu623> going to install gnome desktop so hopefully it will pull through missing libs xubuntu devs forgot to add or felt didn't need.
[23:33] <luca> slickymaster, thanks to your link i was able to download it. Do you think it is a good exercise??
[23:33] <adrenaline_> oh I haven't upgraded yet this didn't affect me yet
[23:33] <brainwash> xubuntu623: what is missing?
[23:34] <adrenaline_> I hope they fix that soon
[23:34] <binalith> well there is this workaround, but I can't seem to implement
[23:34] <brainwash> adrenaline_: yes, just a matter of few days and it will be fixed for everyone
[23:34] <adrenaline_> ok cool let me see what I can find out binalith
[23:35] <adrenaline_> thanks brainwash
[23:35] <binalith> cool thanks
[23:36] <binalith> brainwash: what will I have to do 'in a few days'
[23:37] <binalith> sorry, totally new to linux
[23:37] <brainwash> run the update manager :)
[23:38] <brainwash> the patched power manager package is still in an extra repository for testing (saucy-proposed)
[23:39] <brainwash> it will be moved in few days, so everyone will get the update
[23:39] <adrenaline_> good info brainwash
[23:40] <adrenaline_> binalith, sorry I don't have anything new enough to look at right now. I can play with it tonight and see what's up but if there will be a workaround in a couple of days it may just pay to wait.
[23:41] <binalith> yah, I suppose I'll just have to wait. thanks alot for the help
[23:42] <adrenaline_> sorry I couldn't be more, but hey you I learned something new today.
[23:42] <binalith> brain: thanks for the update info
[23:42] <binalith> ya, I'm learning a lot today haha
[23:49] <xubuntu623> hello brainwash thats the question i've been wondering for a number of xubuntu releases. Everytime i install xubuntu say on an eeepc the folder icons in the file manager disappear when you place the mouse over them. same in the menu. as i type this the fonts are disappearing and reappearing which is making it hard to type
[23:49] <brainwash> binalith: if your are curious how to get the update now without waiting, try this: navigate to settings manager > software and sources > updates, enable "pre-released updates", then open a terminal window and run "sudo apt-get update && sudp apt-get install xfce4-power-manager", now disable "pre-released updates" and relog
[23:50] <brainwash> xubuntu623: you could try to disable compositing (settings manager > window manager tweaks > last tab)
[23:52] <brainwash> xubuntu623: besides.. is this issue xubuntu specific?
[23:55] <xubuntu623> hello brainwash, tried disabling compositing no good. Have only seen this problem in xubuntu. having tried xubuntu on a number of machines all havethe same problem. that's why i can't believe i'm the only user experiencing tis
[23:57] <brainwash> that's odd, and no, this is not a common issue
[23:58] <brainwash> you could file a bug report on launchpad and provide information about your hardware