[00:40] <DoverMo> why do i have 8 instances of zram?
[00:43] <DoverMo> and apparently my ram was doubled. So it seems like lubuntu automatically added zram to match my physical ram?
[00:43] <DoverMo> wth
[00:45] <holstein> nothing automatically added anything for me.. did you do manual partitioning, DoverMo ?
[00:45] <DoverMo> swap was doubled*
[00:45] <DoverMo> holstein, yeah i did manual partitioning, and my swap was exactly half my physical ram
[00:48] <ianorlin> you can do swapoff to not have a zram device if you don't want to
[00:49] <DoverMo> ianorlin, i see
[00:49] <Unit193> No, the computer doesn't automatically repartition your computer to match your ram.
[00:50] <DoverMo> Unit193, zram is supposed to be enabled, but i don't know why it's in use
[00:50] <DoverMo> brb
[00:52] <DoverMo> ianorlin, okay, swapoff is reset after a reboot : /
[00:56] <DoverMo> do i just delete /etc/init.d/zram-config ?
[00:56] <ianorlin> or remove zram config
[00:56] <DoverMo> ianorlin, alright
[00:56] <Unit193> apt-get purge zram-config
[00:57] <DoverMo> i see
[00:57] <DoverMo> that removed it
[00:59] <DoverMo> I see, that zram is enabled for low spec machines
[08:14] <theowner997> anyone there?
[08:14] <theowner997> i need some help
[08:14] <theowner997> how can i make a wifi hotspot in lubuntu?
[08:14] <theowner997> I have my laptop connected wired, any help?
[09:59] <Ahmuck> hola!
[10:00] <Ahmuck> when i try to print to a deskjet 810C using hplip on lubuntu it only prints the first page.  it spools all the pages to the que, but only prints the first page.  any ideas on how to fix the problem?
[10:12] <lnx2> 14.04 is LTS?
[10:12] <lnx2> lubuntu
[10:14] <lnx2> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[10:15] <JohnDoe_71Rus> will be
[10:16] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/expect-xubuntu-14-04-lts
[10:16] <lnx2> ok
[10:25] <Meerkat> good
[10:25] <Meerkat> getting real tired of these mini-releases
[10:25] <Meerkat> I'd even pay some for longer support
[10:28] <Ahmuck> 14.04
[10:28] <Ahmuck> however it's been happening release to release
[10:31] <Meerkat> how long is support btw?
[10:31] <Meerkat> 3 or 5 years?
[10:32] <Unit193> 3.
[10:35] <Meerkat> oh, the answer was in the link above.
[10:35] <Meerkat> "Lightweight LXDE-based Lubuntu will issue its first ever Long Term Support release in April 2014. As with Xubuntu and regular Ubuntu, it comes with a guaranteed five years of security patches, critical bug fixes and maintenance."
[10:35] <Meerkat> good that it is 5 years. :)
[10:37] <Unit193> And as usual, OMG!Ubuntu prefers "news" to facts.
[10:37] <Meerkat> oh, it isn't true? :(
[10:37] <Unit193> As I said, 3 years.
[10:38] <Unit193> (For that matter, Xubuntu is 3 as well.)
[10:38] <Meerkat> bummer. What would it take to make it 5 years, like ubuntu?
[10:38] <Meerkat> more financing?
[10:40] <Unit193> More people doing stuff and supporting it, actual dev work.
[11:46] <Meerkat> Unit193, are you on the dev team?
[11:49] <Unit193> No.
[11:49] <Unit193> pad.lv/~lubuntu-dev
[11:52] <leszek> hi
[11:52] <Unit193> leszek: Howdy.
[11:55] <Meerkat> thank you
[15:56] <lnx2> what is : kernel.log  -- linux kernel: Cannot find map file.
[15:59] <lnx2> linux kernel: Cannot find map file.
[16:03] <lnx2> linux kernel: Cannot find map file.    what is mean?
[16:10] <thor1> lxqt-session is not in lubuntu ppa . How do i install it in lubuntu 14.04
[16:57] <Mikaela> Hi, how can I enable terminal bell with Lubuntu 12.04? I am using urxvt and I have removed pcspkr from blacklist, checked that beep isn't muted in alsamixer, ran "xset b on" and rebooted, but I am still not hearing any beeps.
[16:57] <Mikaela> I can't hear beeps even if I go to TTY.
[16:59] <holstein> i never got it to work
[17:00] <holstein> Mikaela: i messed around with it for a few hours a few different times, and decided that it wasnt worth it..
[17:00] <Mikaela> Is there a bug report? If not, which package I should file it against?
[17:00] <holstein> Mikaela: what terminal emulators have you tried?
[17:00] <holstein> Mikaela: i would look for an existing bug report
[17:00] <Mikaela> urxvt and TTY. I can try others too if required.
[17:01] <Mikaela> I have found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/486154 , but it looks to be for Karmic.
[17:01] <holstein> Mikaela: nothing is "required".. im just trying to get a feel of what you have tried
[17:01] <holstein> Mikaela: i wouldnt classify what i did as "heroic", but it was time consuming and fruitless
[17:02] <Mikaela> Ok
[17:03] <Mikaela> But is this the same bug?
[17:03] <holstein> Mikaela: are you using pulse? AFAIK, 12.04 lubuntu didnt ship with it, so, no.. i dont think that would be the same bug, though, it could be related
[17:03] <Mikaela> Ok
[17:03] <holstein> Mikaela: i got 2 answers when looking into it
[17:04] <holstein> Mikaela: this was the most popular one..
[17:04] <holstein>    
[17:04] <holstein>  the second one was, "it works for me, no problem"
[17:05] <Mikaela> It worked for me in Debian Unstable, but as it's Unstable, it (Debian) stopped working without nomodeset, so I decided to install Lubuntu.
[17:05] <holstein> could be server side, for all i know.. or a bug in the program sending the bell.. i do get a visual flash in terminator
[17:05] <holstein> Mikaela: were you also using no pulse there?
[17:06] <Mikaela> I'm not sure.
[17:25] <imuser> Hi, guys, I just downloaded Lubuntu 13.10 on an old desktop and like how much faster it works than the Ubuntu 12.04 I just had. BUT, I'm having trouble watching online streaming videos like YouTube, Wimp.com, and Hulu. I had success with Puppy on a flash stick that I put an older version of Adobe Flash Player on. My question is how do I put that older version of flash on my Lubuntu being I'm quite new to Linux?
[17:27] <holstein> imuser: an older version likely isnt going to help
[17:27] <holstein> imuser: i use the chrome browser, since it has the most recent and supported version of flash for linux
[17:28] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[17:28] <imuser> Well, it worked on the usb flash stick with puppy. So, I figured it would work with Lubuntu. I have Chrome too, but I know it's the newer flash player that my old computer won't use.
[17:28] <holstein> there are ways to opt into html5 places such as youtube https://www.youtube.com/html5
[17:28] <holstein> imuser: going backwards will not "fix" your issue, im quite certain
[17:29] <holstein> imuser: you should be able to get that verison of flash from the puppy stick, or from adobe
[17:30] <imuser> o.k.    If I do that, how do I go about getting it (copying and pasting, I guess) into my system?
[17:31] <imuser> I saw a site online where a guys explains how to do it in Mint. Would that be the same instructions for Lubuntu?
[17:32] <holstein> imuser: you would just ask the maintainers.. in this case, puppy if you want to take it from there, or adobe
[17:34] <imuser> I think you have to download it and copy/paste it somewhere? Don't get that part.
[17:35] <holstein> imuser: chrome works for me and the version of flash in there supports all the hardware i have tried
[17:35] <holstein> imuser: whats not supporting your hardware specifically in that scenario?
[17:37] <imuser> Well, I just read on a site that some older computers can't handle the newer flashplayers, so using an older one works, which I saw it did on my  usb puppy flash stick.
[17:37] <holstein> imuser: whats the issue specifically you are having when you try it?
[17:38] <imuser> I mean, it works for online video streaming, such as YouTube, Wimp.com, and Hulu, which I like to watch.
[17:38] <holstein> imuser: so, whats the issue with the most recent versionf of flash provided to linux via chrome that you are having specifically on your hardware?
[17:39] <imuser> Well, with the newere flash installation, I see the online videos as distored lines of color moving or blocks of color.
[17:39] <holstein> imuser: in chrome? not chromium?
[17:40] <imuser> well, yes, chromium, the one from the software center. So, what about Chrome?
[17:40] <holstein> imuser: as stated above, chrome has the most recent version
[17:40] <holstein> imuser: try chrome.. test there, then go from there
[17:41] <holstein> personally, i think thats a better solution than moving back to an older version, that you could waste hours on implementing, and is already broken on many sites, and getting more and more out of date all the time
[17:41] <imuser> ummm so how do I get chrome if it's not in the software center - not so good with working in Linux yet.
[17:42] <holstein> imuser: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
[17:42] <imuser> do I have to copy/paste etc. etc.? Don't know what I'm doing in Linux yet.
[17:44] <holstein> imuser: you download the installer.. and install
[17:44] <holstein> imuser: it'll be a *.deb ..you can install typicaly by clicking on it
[17:45] <holstein> imuser: if not, there are command line options
[17:45] <holstein> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-install-google-chrome-in-ubuntu-linux-12-xx-13-xx/ outlines the proceedure as expected
[17:46] <imuser> soooo...o.k.  I am so step 1 here.  Let's say I download it, and it's in my download folder, and then what? so sorry
[17:46] <imuser> ohh that site will help me?
[17:46] <holstein> imuser: give it a look and see
[17:47] <imuser> o.k. thank you! I appreciate your time and help!
[17:47] <holstein> imuser: sure.. anytime
[17:48] <jirido> Hi i try to install pcmanfm latest from git on lubuntu 12.04 from instruction at http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:PCManFM_build_and_setup_guide and get some faults when doing the ./autogen.sh bit
[17:49] <jirido> http://pastebin.com/RaYkMNkW
[17:49] <jirido> could some one pleace explain why i get this autom4te: cannot create autom4te.cache: fault
[17:51] <jirido> I have both autogen and autoconf installed and permissions are my user on source folders
[17:51] <holstein> jirido: could be anything.. when doing that, you are basically taking on the burden of support
[17:52] <jirido> holstein: what do you mean could be anything?
[17:53] <holstein> jirido: just that.. it could be the source has a bug in it, or is not ready for use
[17:53] <jirido> so it is better to use tarballs?
[17:55] <holstein> jirido: "better" will always be a matter of opinion and use case.. i would say, in this case, better might be the provided and supported package in the repos.. then, maybe a well supported PPA.. then, it will just be a matter of making sure you have all the maintainers intend you to have
[17:56] <jirido> pcmanfm lates and that not crash al of the time  is not in repro for 12.04
[17:57] <jirido> latest* all*
[17:57] <jirido> ok i go trying some more..
[17:58] <holstein> maybe one of these https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=pcmanfm though they are not officially maintained either
[17:58] <holstein> i would try as another user, and make sure my user config is not causing the issue with pcmanfm from the repos
[18:29] <imuser> holstein..... I'm so excited!!!!! I went to the site that explained how to get google chrome and it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Yeah! I have been working on this for days, believe me!
[18:29] <imuser> thank you!
[18:30] <imuser> video streaming works great... that has been my big problem
[19:04] <koell> hi phillw
[19:05] <phillw> hi koell
[19:09] <imuser> Hi, again, now I have a question about netflix. I managed to get netflix on a laptop that has Ubuntu 12.04 and it works great. Do you think I could do the same for my Lubuntu 13.10 that I just put on an old desktop?
[19:09] <Mikaela> If it works with Ubuntu there shouldn't be any reason why it wouldn't work with Lubuntu.
[19:10] <imuser> alright! I'll give it a try.
[19:10] <koell> Mikaela: omg, u r a lubuntu user too? O_O
[19:11] <Mikaela> koell: Sometimes. I currently have Lubuntu on this netbook :)
[19:11] <koell> Mikaela: what a small village on the net :)
[19:12] <holstein> !netflix
[19:12] <holstein> it either works or it doesnt.. and AFAIK, right now, it doesnt
[19:18] <Meerkat> what
[19:18] <Meerkat> netflix runs on linux?
[19:18] <Meerkat> oh I see. I should really read all the chat lines :p
[19:19] <holstein> Meerkat: nothing about linux/ubuntu/lubuntu is preventing netflix from providing support
[19:19] <Meerkat> oh I know. They are douches and picked that microsoft silverlight bullshit
[19:19] <holstein> i believe the goal is drm protection in html5.. but, you'll have to ask them
[19:20] <Meerkat> and so.. I go to the pirate bay. Either is an acceptable solution for me.
[19:20] <holstein> !language | Meerkat
[19:20] <Meerkat> which word?
[19:20] <Meerkat> and sorry
[19:21] <trickyhero> well I think netflix is changing to html5 after they add drm to it
[19:21] <Meerkat> drm in the html spec seems kinda odd to me.
[19:23] <Meerkat> cdbaby and bandcamp and amazon do not have any drm for the music on their sites. Video should be able to do the same.
[19:24] <holstein> its not an issue of "should".. its a buisness that is free to do what they want.. you'll have to ask netflix for specifics
[19:45] <onto> Hi! After an "apt-get autoremove" yesterday, I am having a side-effect that alsamixer (or any of the alsa utilities) isn't working (and no sound is emitted). It is giving me the following error: "ALSA lib conf.c:3314:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so" ... does anyone know the issue here? Google hasn't been very helpful
[19:46] <holstein> onto: i would not assumed that the auto-remove is related.. its likely something you ran after an upgrade, and a kernel upgrade or alsa firmware upgrade could have broken something
[19:47] <onto> holstein: I did not upgrade anything after that. And I don't remember doing any system-related things afterwards.
[19:47] <holstein> i think the first thing i would do is test with a live CD, and see that the hardware is working. then i would try looking for and applying upgrades. then i would try booting the older kernel in the list if there is one
[19:47] <holstein> i would run "aplay -l" and "arecord -l" in the terminal and see that alsa is finding an audio device
[19:47] <Myrtti> onto: if you type "dpkg -l | grep libasound2-plugins" into a terminal, do the resulting lines begin with ii, or do you get any output?
[19:47] <holstein> onto: im suggesting you upgraded things *before* that
[19:49] <onto> holstein: I have not upgraded anything for months. I have however upgraded it this afternoon hoping to fix this issue. "aplay -l" returns:
[19:49] <onto> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[19:49] <onto> ALSA lib conf.c:3314:(snd_config_hooks_call) Cannot open shared library libasound_module_conf_pulse.so
[19:49] <onto> ALSA lib control.c:951:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL hw:0
[19:49] <onto> aplay: device_list:261: control open (0): No such file or directory
[19:49] <onto> card 1: Generic_1 [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC269VB Analog [ALC269VB Analog]
[19:49] <onto>   Subdevices: 1/1
[19:49] <onto>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[19:49] <onto> oops, sorry
[19:49] <onto> Myrtti: I'll check
[19:50] <onto> Myrtti: They begin with "ii"
[19:50] <Myrtti> ok, so you do actually have that file there, it just can't use it
[19:51] <onto> Myrtti: Yes, I tried "locate"-ing it and it shows that it exists
[19:52] <onto> I also tried strace-ing alsamixer to see where it looks for the file, and creating a symbolic link to it and while that does allow me to open alsamixer, when quitting, it throws a Segmentation fault. Aplay also throws a segmentation fault.
[19:54] <holstein> i know, i like to use a live CD that i know used to work on the hardware.. a lot of time can be wasted on software solutions if the hardware has failed
[19:56] <onto> I'll try booting with a live-cd
[20:10] <onto> holstein: It works from a live-cd so I don't think it's a hardware issue (also works from windows)
[21:05] <thor1> Can`t install lxqt on lubuntu 14.04. lxqt-panel and lxqt-metapackage is broken
[21:38] <imuser> o.k. tried to get netflix going on Lubuntu like I have on Ubuntu. I get to the site and movies, but it won't download a movie at all, just gets a white page even though I have the agent overriders too. Netflix is running right now on my laptop with Ubuntu 12.04. I'm thinking the machine I'm trying to work on is old or something. Youtube works great and even Hulu but not netflix.
[21:39] <imuser> any ideas?
[21:41] <imuser> What if I try to make Lubuntu 13.10 (the old desktop I'm trying to get neflix on) a little lighter by throwing some things overboard. Can I get rid of some games or something in the software center that are downloaded already? What can I get rid of?
[21:47] <imuser> what can I get rid of to make Lubuntu 13.10 even run faster - old computer here.
[21:59] <holstein> imuser: AFAIK netflix is not working now.. lubuntu *is* ubuntu, so whatever you do to use it in ubuntu will work for lubuntu
[22:00] <holstein> imuser: its more of an issue of 12.04 vs 13.10 that ubuntu vs lubuntu
[22:01] <imuser> oh... soooo    maybe Lubuntu 13.10 is doing good like Ubuntu 12.o4?
[22:01] <imuser> I mean isn't doing better
[22:01] <holstein> imuser: there is no way to offically address the support for netflix in linux, since, it is not supported.. ideally netflix will support linux eventually
[22:02] <imuser> Maybe Lubuntu 14.04 LTS will have a better chance, right?
[22:02] <holstein> imuser: if you had ubuntu 13.10, then the support for netflix should be similarly broken, as i am implying, and as i have heard
[22:03] <imuser> ohhhhhh......o.k.  thanks! I didn't know
[22:03] <holstein> imuser: the "better" choice is, for netflix to officially support it... otherwise, its always going to be a hack, and can break at anytime, and thre is nothing to do about it
[22:03] <teward> holstein: last I checked, netflix has no plans to support non-Silverlight
[22:03] <imuser> o.k. is there a way to get pipelight out of my terminal then in Lubuntu 13.10?
[22:04] <holstein> i have already suggested that the official source for netflix news should be obtained by asking netflix
[22:04] <teward> so it's safe to say it'll be a hack being needed until the end of time.  (and the netflix-desktop stuff to be updated by their maintainers)
[22:04] <holstein> that being said, there is an html5 drm in the works for things such as netflix..
[22:04] <holstein> teward: dosnt realy matter if its needed.. its not supported offically
[22:04] <teward> indeed
[22:05] <imuser> oh what is that (htm15) ?
[22:05] <holstein> nothing linux or lubuntu or ubuntu is doing is preventing netflix from running on it
[22:05] <imuser> o.k.
[22:05] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
[22:06] <imuser> well...  anyway, with the new "Google Chrome" download I just got, I am at least able to see Youtube, and even Hulu. So, I'm glad about that!
[22:07] <holstein> imuser: that is the most recent version of flash.. it really has nothing to do with linux or chrome.. its just a matter of using the latest tool for the content that requires that tool
[22:07] <imuser> O.K. I'll look at that site. thanks!                   ya
[22:07] <holstein> imuser: adobe doesnt offer the latest flash for desktop linux that way.. chrome offers and maintains it in the browser they release for linux
[22:08] <imuser> so, can I somehow purge pipelight, silverlight, and wine from my terminal?
[22:08] <holstein> imuser: you should be able to follow the instructions where ever you got the packages from
[22:09] <holstein> imuser: sudo apt-get autoremove wine should work in linux
[22:09] <imuser> o.k.   thanks
[22:09] <holstein> not sure about whatever else.. though, its not like in windows where installed applications are taking up resources.. its more about what is running or not
[22:10] <imuser> oh   that's good to know...
[22:11] <imuser> So, if I uninstalled in the software center some games or whatever came with Lubuntu 13.10 , will that make my computer run any faster?
[22:13] <imuser> i'm not going to worry about that right now... thanks for you help, again.
[22:13] <holstein> imuser: no.. if you have services or applications running, and you stop them, you could free up resources that may make you feel the machine is faster
[22:13] <holstein> nothing makes the machine faster
[22:14] <imuser> o.k.
[22:14] <imuser> thanks
[22:55] <jirido> holstein: Hi. U are the guy whom usualy know so i ask yo.. say if i ask at wrong place just.. I have installed a theme that i thought were good. I used lxapearace to take down the light a bit but some colors could not be changed so i edited them in gtkrc and now all is well. but firefox menues have black foreground color but all other programs or atleast the one i'v tryed has ok light ones.. is this even in gtkrc or is it in Firefox s
[22:56] <jirido> I installed spacefm by the way and it is mighty cool
[23:07] <jirido> Ok. so there is tutorials there ofcourse yes.. Thanks! it looks like its gona bee real good!
[23:11] <holstein> jirido: you got the theme sorted?
[23:13] <jirido>  i still dont know how to reach firefox menu forground color.. :P
[23:14] <jirido> I can do it with a userstyle but then i have to have them on al of the time.. so it is a litle/{\]8[
[23:14] <jirido> But ill try to find some thing..
[23:15] <jirido> FF is well dockumented
[23:17] <jirido>  Have you seen ten canoes? its a film about a younger bro that gets hot for his older bros youngest wife.. Aboridjie film good! fun and lovely paced. it is on primewire.ag
[23:34] <holstein> jirido: #lubuntu-offtopic or one of the other offtopic channels is a great place to chat
[23:42] <jirido> Yes you right
[23:42] <jirido> Thanks for the help thou
[23:42] <jirido> goodnight