[00:27] HI how could I preseed two nic interface one configured with dhcp (i.e. eth0) and one with static ip address (i.e. eth1)? thx [00:47] What package creates the "netdev" group in ubuntu server? [00:54] JayF: looks like it might be avahi: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=netdev [00:54] Ugh. I do not want to install avahi, or network manager, on a cloud server image [00:55] but I'm getting knocked by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1054035 [00:55] JayF: ooh, ifupdown also appears to: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?prev=0.206.264&q=netdev&skip=345 [00:55] I guess I could just manually create the group in the kick. [00:55] hmm [00:55] ifupdown is installed [00:55] but no such group [00:56] let me try a reinstall. [00:56] yeah ifupdown does not create a netdev group on saucy [00:56] although TIL about codesearch.debian.net [00:57] that's pretty sweet [00:57] it's wonderful :) [00:57] hah! Powered by Rackspace. [00:58] How did I not know aobut this === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === Guest72010 is now known as balloons [02:30] Hello [02:30] I have a unused laptop with ubuntu-server on it [02:31] same here [02:31] When I close the laptop it goes to sleep and turns off in some capcity, and turns on instantly when i reopen it [02:31] i run my company's crm off of a laptop server [02:31] any idea how to prevent it from going to sleep when it closes as i store it under my entertainment center [02:32] nice lol! [02:32] I plan on using it for a developmentp-server === peter is now known as Guest80780 [02:33] goodluck with that, I have to keep screen up and turn off all the power related settings so it doesnt go to sleep [02:34] so you have the same issue? [02:34] yep [02:35] im going to pick up one of those small dell desktop boxes on craigslist for 100 and install ubuntu server [02:35] http://askubuntu.com/questions/360615/ubuntu-server-13-10-now-goes-to-sleep-when-closing-laptop-lid [02:35] that fixes it :) [02:36] no way...wow [02:36] lol, if it wasnt for the internet i would have given up on linux :P [02:36] also, you may want to check out digitalocean.com - I am in the process of moving a lot of my sites over to there [02:36] its a pretty sweet setup [02:37] haha [02:37] yeah [02:39] they have ubuntu images [02:40] that sounds nice ty, but im looking for just make use of my 4 unused laptops lol [02:40] dual cores to quad cores [02:40] decent hardware not being utilizedd [02:41] ones now a development server [02:41] 3 laptops * [02:41] n im giving one to my brother n father lol [02:41] nice [02:42] btw I dont know what you do MavKen but I work for an advertisment company, if you would like to advertise at all let me know [02:42] I dont deal with selling the services at all, but if I could help out a fellow friend then why not recommend it to them? :) [02:42] http://www.yashi.com [02:43] i provide consulting services to small businesses, but have a hobby business for web design/hosting [02:44] Well if you would like to advertise let me know :) or goto that site, then the contact page and send a message [02:45] ok [02:45] we also provide advertisments to people at well if your looking to host ads too [04:50] Hi is it possible to disable network manager? thx [04:53] rostam: uninstall it [04:54] hitsujiTMO, would that have any side effect, I guess I want to know is it good to have or not to have network manager? thx [04:55] rostam: nothing relies on network manager and its safe to remove. just means you need to have an alternative way of configuring your network interfaces [04:56] any recommendations on building a login system? [04:57] MavKen: what exactly do you mean? [04:58] im creating a lightweight crm from scratch, needing a login system...ive hacked together login systems in the past but wanting to find a different way [04:58] im using php/mysql [04:59] i wish the major frameworks had something built in... i just dont like spending time on the login side of things [04:59] MavKen: such a question would be more appropriate for #php then [04:59] ok [04:59] MavKen: one thing tho, use bcrypt/blowfish [05:00] ok thanks, will check it out [06:03] anyone know how/where/when local-premount initrd script get run from init? [08:43] having some weird issues with my apache httpd package all of a sudden, nothing out of the ordinary is appearing in logs but this is what happens: http://apaste.info/knE6 [08:44] ah forgot to include in the paste that before the start command there are no apache processes running [08:45] this is ubuntu 13.10 with Apache/2.4.6 [08:51] also, when I create a config file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ it should be enable-able by a2ensite right? [08:51] or hmm does it need the .conf extension.. [08:54] so it does, anyway previous issue not yet fixed, any input would be appreciated === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [09:27] Sling: looks like apache2 is being called started impropperly at another point [09:27] Sling: that or its majorly misconfigured. [09:28] Sling: have you looked at the error logs? [09:28] hitsujiTMO: yup as stated there is nothing out of the ordinary in the apache errorlog [09:29] also it actually is started and working fine, but not controllable by service apache2 properly [09:29] Sling: if you disable all the sites in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ does it still occor? [09:29] the httpd starts [09:30] its just the interaction between the upstart script and the actual httpd that is borked it seems [09:30] Sling: apache2 is configured by sysv not upstart atm [09:30] okay that then :) [09:31] have you tried disabling all sites, killing all apache processes and then starting again to see if you get the same hehaviour? [09:34] hitsujiTMO: yup, same behaviour [09:35] Sling: has someone modified the apache sysv init script at some point? [09:35] very unlikely, not me at least [09:36] Sling: if they haven't then the culprit would be the apache config. But don't think that can spawn new processes. [09:36] if the apache config would be broken, it wouldn't start [09:38] Sling: not broken, just misconfigured [09:39] you can have a misconfigured config that still works but doesn't do what its supposed to do [09:39] the httpd does what its supposed to do though.. [09:39] it works perfectly fine [09:40] but for some reason, the processes that are launched, are not matching some pid file [09:41] /etc/apache2/envvars:export APACHE_PID_FILE=/var/run/apache2/apache2$SUFFIX.pid [09:42] that file doesn't exist, but /var/run/apache2.pid does [09:43] $SUFFIX is a var. if its empty then the APACHE_PID_FILE produced is /var/run/apache2.pid [09:43] why not /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid ? [09:43] ahh i see what you mean. you'd have to route thru the init script to see whats going on [09:44] goes back to the question on if the init script has been modified or not [09:44] this fixes it; ln -s /var/run/apache2.pid /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid [09:44] but yeah, not proper solution [09:45] im guessing that some other package has fiddled with the init script [09:45] that should not happen. are you using a ppa? [09:46] nope [09:47] although, there is a dl.google.com_linux_mod-spdy_deb_dists_stable_ in /var/lib/apt/lists/ [09:47] hmm [09:48] Sling: check the init script. maybe the server has been compromised [09:54] hitsujiTMO: last modified date was >6 months ago, and dpkg -S shows that only the apache2 package is doing something with that file [09:54] anyway, ill investigate further, some time :) [09:55] tis a wee bit odd of an error [10:10] smb: are you looking at bugs 1180281 and 915954 ? [10:15] hallyn, Hm, since the bot is on holiday, give me a sec to look what they are [10:29] hallyn, Ok, replied there but I would think those should be good in Trusty after libvirt 1.2.1 at least [10:30] smb: i haven't actually look in detail; was just wondering if you wer ehandling them. [10:31] smb: yo're saying there are patches attached to the bug reports and those should go into our package? [10:31] smb: if so, I'm currently getting ready to push libvirt to trusty with a new aarch64 patch pushed anyway... [10:35] HI how could I configure static IP address with nmcli ? thx [10:55] hallyn, Now I am not sure you commented before I talked to you. Current code for libvirt1.2.1 should be working [11:04] smb: i commented? [11:04] oh, here you mean :) thought you meant in the bug [11:04] smb: yeah that was before we talked [11:04] thx [11:04] hallyn, Yeah, sorry for the confusion. :) [11:13] adam_g: hi, for bug 1244694, could you test one more time, and report whether the new package works for you (no regressions) [11:14] adam_g: it woudl be great if you could still reproduce it with the old version, but at least if the new package doesn't regress that's a good data point [11:52] Hi [11:52] wondering when is the next LTS version coming up ? [11:53] !lts|shwaiil, [11:53] shwaiil,: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; with the exception of 12.04 (Precise Pangolin), which will be supported for 5 years on the desktop. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04) [11:53] !trusty [11:53] Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) will be the 20th release of Ubuntu. See the announcement at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 for more info. support in #ubuntu+1 [11:53] cfhowlett: thanks for looking. looks like a long read [11:54] just wondering if I should stick with 12.04 for a new server I'm assembling here [11:54] when I did research someone mentioned to maybe just wait for 14.04, so I wasn't sure if is around or not: ) [11:54] shwaiil, new LTS in 3 months - direct uprgrade from current lts to 14.04 [11:54] cfhowlett: 3 months, cool :) [11:54] Thank you [11:54] shwaiil, no problem [12:03] Hey all,.. i'm having some issues with cron not running as it should,.. anyone here to help out? [12:24] DenBeiren, what problem does your cron have? [12:26] i addes a line to shutdown at a certain time [12:26] it doesn't shutdown at the asked time :-) [12:26] i used shutdown -h now [12:27] sudo shutdown -h now [12:27] tried as user, tried as root [12:28] errr how are you doing that as cron [12:28] sudo requires user access unless you've changes the sudo rules [12:28] and the root account should be locked [12:29] i made a cron using crontab -e as my default user, and added the line shutdown -h now [12:29] since that didn't work, i tried using sudo [12:29] ok - so thats not going to work [12:30] sudo isn't going to work as it needs user input [12:30] since that didn't work i tried the same two things logged in as root [12:30] so again the root account should be locked so you shouldn't be logging as root [12:30] and I suggest you show the EXACT cron line you are using [12:30] uhu [12:30] what would be the way to go then? :-) [12:31] you could look at a specific sudo no password line for you [12:31] but lets see the exact line you're using [12:31] after searching on google i added this line now [12:32] 00 07 * * * /sbin/shutdown -p now [12:32] -p is an invalid flag [12:32] ok [12:33] it appears you are just copying things blind rather than actually thinking about things/checking them [12:33] I suggest you stop that [12:33] actually research the things you need, eg: man shutdown [12:34] i try to do so, but even the manpages are not always that easy for novice users i'm afraid [12:34] ok - but looking if -p is a flag should be basic for if you want to use -p [12:34] it varies from distro/provider [12:34] also try the command manually to get better output, once you know it works you can look at setting it up in cron [12:35] shutdown -h works normally as default user [12:35] "default user" ? [12:35] i looked at this: http://www.ipaste.eu/view.php?id=1186 [12:35] well,.. denbeiren is the normal user i always use [12:35] so default user = denbeiren [12:36] ok, so that shouldn't work [12:36] unless you use sudo or have setuid set [12:36] it asks for a sudo password when i enter that command [12:38] right, so cron can't do that as it's not interactive [12:38] apply some thought [12:38] figure out how to make user a sudouser? [12:39] no, your user is already a sudo user [12:40] then i'm afraid i don't know [12:40] ok, so first of all test the sudo command you want to use, make sure it works [12:40] then understand the limitations, eg: sudo [12:41] then update your sudo rules to make the command "shutdown" not require a sudo password [12:42] jamespage: the dependencies got promoted im just un depwaiting things today [12:44] the commands that i would like to run all work [12:44] DenBeiren: ok, so go to the next step [12:44] so i need to be checking out changing sudo rules probably? [12:45] how about edit root's crontab? :p [12:47] mardraum: seems like that would be a big nono :-) [12:47] depends how you look at it [12:50] there is nothing wrong with using root [12:51] for administration and elevated privs [13:02] hi. How do I restart sshd on 13.04? [13:02] remotely [13:02] `sudo restart sshd` gives `restart: Unknown job: sshd` [13:03] service ssh restart, or old way /etc/init.d/ssh restart [13:04] makara if you are used to BSDs, note that ubuntu tends to drop the "d" [13:04] ikonia: thanks for the help so far,.. have to go to work, i will look into it [13:04] eg services like "ssh" "ntp" etc [13:05] though I note that the BSDs don't have a "restart" command I am aware with, so perhaps some other linux distro instead. [13:10] mardraum, thx [13:53] zul, jamespage: was the 12.04 kernel namespace bug brought to your attention ? The one that blocks neutron gating ? [13:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273386 [13:53] probably the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1252508/ [13:54] ttx, yes it has - mark pinged me last night about it [13:54] ok, cool [13:55] sarnold, smb: could bug 1273386 have a bit of kernel team attention please [13:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273386 [14:21] jamespage, we will have a look [14:26] smb, ta [14:26] smb, also pinged arges [14:27] jamespage, So he told me (sitting two seats down the table) [14:27] smb, \o/ === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away === railsraider_ is now known as railsraider [15:05] smb, any chance you could join openstack-dev? [15:07] smb, probably a regression - "so far we've isolated that happens with 3.2.0-58 and did not happen with 3.2.0-57" [15:16] jamespage, I can join. That info is good to have [15:16] smb, thanks - it was really just to open up the channel between the neutron dev looking at this and your team [15:44] Q: I was questioning about user management for my samba file shares, if I can inherit the system users and groups, etc. Someone mentioned that I should use an intermediate access protocol like LDAP. I never did something like that, is that too complicated ? Thanks [15:58] hello [15:59] shwaiil: that is correct. If you setup a ldap server and add the samba schema, you can manage it centrally [16:00] huttan: Thanks so much for looking! I've got no experience with it but I'm ok about reading and trying. I just wonder if it's too complicated to setup ? [16:00] shwaiil: it depends on your experience with servers I guess. I personally found it pretty easy the first time i tried [16:00] Hi #ubuntu-server! I've got a noobish question that I've tried to resolve on my own. I am working with a Wordpress site installed at /var/www. My user is in the www-data group, and everything under /var/www is owned by www-data:www-data. The problem is to modify anything, create a new dir, etc, I still have to sudo foocmd. What am I missing? [16:00] shwaiil: and now Ubuntu also provides you with some great documentation [16:01] shwaiil: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-ldap.html [16:01] huttan: thanks, I'll try it then. have you ever found problems with mac osx clients ? [16:01] most people here use mac books :T a bit worried [16:01] shwaiil: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html [16:01] should update-grub work for efi boot?.. [16:01] cause mine doesn't [16:02] shwaiil: it works great with them too [16:02] expert mode installation [16:02] huttan: ok cool :) [16:02] shwaiil: if u want to centralize all, might also wanna look into kerberos [16:02] shwaiil: just a tip [16:02] huttan: so, for example, let's say I've got a developer group and I invite a developer here, I connect to LDAP and I can create a new user and he's going to have his own home directory and all that stuff ?! [16:03] kerberos... oh ok [16:03] shwaiil: yepp, as long as the server he logs on is configured to pull login info from ldap [16:03] shwaiil: u can also manage sudo rights etc. from ldap [16:04] huttan: not sure if I'm understanding everything. [16:04] so my project under /var/www/myProject owned by group "developers" at 192.168.0.77 [16:04] the developers would authenticate to a LDAP server and [16:04] ehh... [16:05] shwaiil: sure, u can setup apache to auth through ldap [16:05] hum, so what's kerberos ? [16:05] shwaiil: centralized passwords [16:05] shwaiil: in a secure way [16:05] but I can just work with LDAP without kerberos right ? [16:06] shwaiil: yeah [16:06] otherwise it's too much stuff for me to handle, to start with [16:06] shwaiil: its not requirement [16:06] huttan: just one thing, I usually provide a user and password to access a file share [16:06] with LDAP, it's exactly the same ? [16:07] shwaiil: yepp [16:07] huttan: did shwaiil ask the same question I did before I entered? [16:08] olsonea: sorry i did not see your question [16:08] about users with group permissions on /var/www? [16:08] Hi #ubuntu! I've got a noobish question that I've tried to resolve on my own. I am working with a Wordpress site installed at /var/www. My user is in the www-data group, and everything under /var/www is owned by www-data:www-data. The problem is to modify anything, create a new dir, etc, I still have to sudo foocmd. What am I missing? [16:08] s/#ubuntu/#ubuntu-server/g [16:09] olsonea: i assume ur trying to create it as the www-data user and not ur regular home user? [16:10] ah, let's call my home user olsonea. that's who i am authenticates as, yes. [16:11] olsonea: ok then [16:11] olsonea: So heres your problem, its owned by www-data so that has to be the one making dirs [16:12] olsonea: however, u can add urself to the group and give group write permission on /var/www [16:12] olsonea: then u could also make it w/o sudo [16:12] ok, so when i issue the groups command, i am in the www-data group === paralle21_ is now known as parallel21 [16:12] oh [16:13] but it looks like the group only has read perms [16:13] so i probably need to chmod 755 /var/www? [16:13] err, less open, 751? [16:14] olsonea: no [16:14] olsonea: just do chmod g+w /var/www [16:15] olsonea: im not gonna specify recursive, if u need that do it [16:15] gotcha [16:15] huttan: superb, thanks for educating me [16:16] olsonea: sure, no problem === mjohnson15_2 is now known as mjohnson15 [16:44] huttan: you still around ? I'm wondering, if LDAP have a GUI or a Web interface to allow any one to easily manage the user control access, etc ? [16:44] I'm trying to avoid creating any dependences [16:44] I don't want to be asked to manage new users or current users all the time by the command line [16:45] so just wondering if openLDAP provides that [16:45] I'm also doing research, maybe I'll find something about it meanwhile [16:46] shwaiil: openldap does not provide that, no [16:46] pmatulis: thanks for looking [16:46] if I'd like to have something like that, is it possible ? [16:46] shwaiil: i didn't look, i just know [16:47] shwaiil: it depends what kind of users you're talking about [16:47] pmatulis: sorry, what I mean with looking, is thanks for answering or thanks for taking your time to answer me, sorry not my native language [16:47] shwaiil: simple users or administrators [16:47] pmatulis: let's say any user with admin control be able to manage users [16:48] http://directory.apache.org/studio/ [16:48] pmatulis: oh thanks [16:48] I'll have a look [16:49] but beware of relying too much on the gui. i recommend learning the basics. 'cause you often need that to be able to debug/troubleshoot anything [16:50] pmatulis: sure. it's just to ensure that my managers and stuff have a way to manage simpler stuff [16:50] yep [16:50] without having to rely on me all the time, I'm just a developer anyway [16:50] let's say if I'm on vacations and stuff. We are a very small creative studio / agency [16:50] I do a bit of everything but. [16:50] for the basics, see the ubuntu server guide --> authentication --> openldap [16:51] What causes the screen to blank in ubuntu server? [16:51] tgm4883: are you running it under a VM ? [16:51] shwaiil, no, on an imac [16:52] tgm4883: happened to me when running on a VM, running in a mini mac [16:52] but I can still ssh to it etc [16:52] pmatulis: thanks [16:52] shwaiil, and you have to restart it afterwards? [16:54] Any suggestions package-wise at installing minimal lighdtm/xorg on -server? [16:55] I dont need accounts* and some of the other bloat ;) [17:01] conroe: openbox/lxde/lightdm [17:25] apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommend should do it [17:25] figures ;) [18:38] any clues why upgrade-grub/efi doesn't work? Getting 'Couldn't find physical volume `(null)'. Some modules may be missing from core image..' [18:41] <_atpa8a_> ... [18:43] atpa8a: Have you got a degraded array? [18:43] TJ-: yup! [18:43] a fix? [18:44] is there? [18:44] testing efi, /boot on usb flash and / and friends on raid/lvm [18:44] atpa8a: See http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?39527 [18:45] atpa8a: Do you still get "Installation finished. No error reported. " after "update-grub" [18:45] i think so [18:46] <_atpa8a_> let me switch to this web interface so i can test [18:46] Well, if so, there's no problem. Grub is warning about the missing device [18:47] <_atpa8a_> hmm [18:47] <_atpa8a_> retesting [18:47] <_atpa8a_> actually want to add "bootdegraded=true" to grub [18:48] Yes, although often it doesn't stop initrd scripts from stopping! [19:08] Info about IRC http://p.pw/DLV [19:27] <_atpa8a_> TJ-: thanks man! it worked [19:40] <_atpa8a_> cool [19:40] <_atpa8a_> now to trow openstack on it... :) [20:47] if i run "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork", why does "apachectl -V" show the MPM as "event" and not "prefork"? [20:48] melter: is the event mpm still installed? [20:48] I would expect it to be preferred if it is installed [20:48] sarnold: it was never installed [20:48] melter: hrm. odd. [20:49] sarnold: i just did a fresh install to verify. apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; reboot; apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork === huats_ is now known as huats [21:11] Info about IRC at http://p.pw/DLV [21:13] Spam. [21:48] I want to change my Virtual Hosts directives in order to stop listening for 127.0.0.1 [21:48] none of the tutorials I read tells me where the hell is that file [21:48] sites-enabled and stuff [21:51] hadifarn_: you haven't said which webserver you're using [21:51] since there's many in the repos [21:51] teward: sorry. apache2 on ubuntu [21:53] I changed to [21:53] that should do it. right? [21:54] hadifarn_: i'm going to wait for an apache person to answer, i.e. someone who uses apache (I use nginx) [21:54] but yes, now that you said it's apache someone can actually help :) [21:54] ok. cheers teward [21:55] hadifarn_: If you haven't made any other configuration changes to apache's config, that should be it. Make sure to restart apache afterwards. [21:56] cool Pici. now my status mod should work [21:56] yep. it works fine. thanks [21:59] Hi here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/6834522/ I like eth0 to be default gateway but it does not, how can I change that. === gary_poster is now known as gary_poster|away [23:13] Under what circumstance would the me using the arrow keys cause the terminal to populate stuff like ^[[A instead of showing my most recent commands? [23:15] byprdct: incorrect TERM environment variable, incorrect or missing terminfo for your terminal, maybe incorrect stty settings, maybe incorrect settings in your shell.. [23:15] hmm number of things sarnold [23:16] not happy [23:16] normally when I see that sort of behavior, running 'stty -sane' or 'reset' is enough to fix it, but if it is busted on login, it can be miserable to debug these things.. [23:16] thanks sarnold [23:16] sweet [23:16] going to try that now [23:16] I [23:16] I'm hoping it's not this time [23:17] sarnold are you saying run sudo stty -sane [23:17] or sudo reset [23:18] byprdct: no 'sudo' necessary [23:18] ok [23:18] sarnold I get usage: stty [-a|-e|-g] [-f file] [options] [23:18] byprdct: sorry, 'stty sane'. [23:18] nevermind Im a moron [23:18] wonder how long I've been handing out wrong advice.. [23:19] lol [23:19] it's obviously been ages since I've had similar problems, longer than I thought. [23:19] nope still doing it [23:19] thats a good thing [23:20] it doesn't do it when Im logged in as root [23:21] byprdct: are you using 'sh' or 'bash' for your shell? I just confirmed that 'sh' still gives the ^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[B^[[B results [23:21] I'm not sure how can I tell [23:21] I sshd in [23:22] byprdct: ps auxw | grep $$ ought to do it [23:23] rep: to: No such file or directory [23:23] all three are no such files or directory [23:26] how do i apply password strength checking on newly-created users? that is, on the adduser/useradd commands [23:27] pmatulis: check out libpam-pwquality [23:27] sarnold: thanks, will look [23:29] sarnold: this seems the same as libpam-cracklib [23:30] sarnold: so applied in common-password , which is for changing of passwords, not creating the initial one [23:30] pmatulis: ah yes, I knew there was another one I couldn't recall.. sigh :) [23:31] is it possible to enforce 'user must change password after first login'? then i could use the above modules [23:31] pmatulis: does /etc/pam.d/newusers work for this case? [23:31] right now it points to common-password [23:33] ldd tells me /usr/sbin/useradd is not pam-aware === freeflying_away is now known as freeflying === david is now known as Guest98397 [23:46] hi running software raid 1. I added the new devices and mdadm did a recovery. So I now have 4 identical drives. I set the boot flag on the new drives on the first partition. Do I have to copy the mbr to the new disks? Is there anything else I need to do to boot the new drives? [23:46] I think I'll try dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, that will probably make it boot. [23:49] pmatulis: sorry, back; shadow(5) describes a password expiry that can be used for that, but it's been long enough since I've tried it I'm not sure how it works :) [23:50] sarnold: i found the chage command, it might do the same. 'chage -d 0 username' [23:51] pmatulis: nice [23:58] I used grow to remove the old hard drives