[00:27] <rostam> HI how could I preseed two nic interface one configured with dhcp (i.e. eth0) and one with static ip address (i.e. eth1)? thx
[00:47] <JayF> What package creates the "netdev" group in ubuntu server?
[00:54] <sarnold> JayF: looks like it might be avahi: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=netdev
[00:54] <JayF> Ugh. I do not want to install avahi, or network manager, on a cloud server image
[00:55] <JayF> but I'm getting knocked by this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1054035
[00:55] <sarnold> JayF: ooh, ifupdown also appears to: http://codesearch.debian.net/search?prev=0.206.264&q=netdev&skip=345
[00:55] <JayF> I guess I could just manually create the group in the kick.
[00:55] <JayF> hmm
[00:55] <JayF> ifupdown is installed
[00:55] <JayF> but no such group
[00:56] <JayF> let me try a reinstall.
[00:56] <JayF> yeah ifupdown does not create a netdev group on saucy
[00:56] <JayF> although TIL about codesearch.debian.net
[00:57] <JayF> that's pretty sweet
[00:57] <sarnold> it's wonderful :)
[00:57] <JayF> hah! Powered by Rackspace.
[00:58] <JayF> How did I not know aobut this
[02:30] <Wilkim_> Hello
[02:30] <Wilkim_> I have a unused laptop with ubuntu-server on it
[02:31] <MavKen> same here
[02:31] <Wilkim_> When I close the laptop it goes to sleep and turns off in some capcity, and turns on instantly when i reopen it
[02:31] <MavKen> i run my company's crm off of a laptop server
[02:31] <Wilkim_> any idea how to prevent it from going to sleep when it closes as i store it under my entertainment center
[02:32] <Wilkim_> nice lol!
[02:32] <Wilkim_> I plan on using it for a developmentp-server
[02:33] <MavKen> goodluck with that, I have to keep screen up and turn off all the power related settings so it doesnt go to sleep
[02:34] <Wilkim_> so you have the same issue?
[02:34] <MavKen> yep
[02:35] <MavKen> im going to pick up one of those small dell desktop boxes on craigslist for 100 and install ubuntu server
[02:35] <Wilkim_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/360615/ubuntu-server-13-10-now-goes-to-sleep-when-closing-laptop-lid
[02:35] <Wilkim_> that fixes it :)
[02:36] <MavKen> no way...wow
[02:36] <Wilkim_> lol, if it wasnt for the internet i would have given up on linux :P
[02:36] <MavKen> also, you may want to check out digitalocean.com - I am in the process of moving a lot of my sites over to there
[02:36] <MavKen> its a pretty sweet setup
[02:37] <MavKen> haha
[02:37] <MavKen> yeah
[02:39] <MavKen> they have ubuntu images
[02:40] <Wilkim_> that sounds nice ty, but im looking for just make use of my 4 unused laptops lol
[02:40] <Wilkim_> dual cores to quad cores
[02:40] <Wilkim_> decent hardware not being utilizedd
[02:41] <Wilkim_> ones now a development server
[02:41] <Wilkim_> 3 laptops *
[02:41] <Wilkim_> n im giving one to my brother n father lol
[02:41] <MavKen> nice
[02:42] <Wilkim_> btw I dont know what you do MavKen but I work for an advertisment company, if you would like to advertise at all let me know
[02:42] <Wilkim_> I dont deal with selling the services at all, but if I could help out a fellow friend then why not recommend it to them? :)
[02:42] <Wilkim_> http://www.yashi.com
[02:43] <MavKen> i provide consulting services to small businesses, but have a hobby business for web design/hosting
[02:44] <Wilkim_> Well if you would like to advertise let me know :) or goto that site, then the contact page and send a message
[02:45] <MavKen> ok
[02:45] <Wilkim_> we also provide advertisments to people at well if your looking to host ads too
[04:50] <rostam> Hi is it possible to disable network manager? thx
[04:53] <hitsujiTMO> rostam: uninstall it
[04:54] <rostam> hitsujiTMO, would that have any side effect, I guess I want to know is it good to have or not to have network manager? thx
[04:55] <hitsujiTMO> rostam: nothing relies on network manager and its safe to remove. just means you need to have an alternative way of configuring your network interfaces
[04:56] <MavKen> any recommendations on building a login system?
[04:57] <hitsujiTMO> MavKen: what exactly do you mean?
[04:58] <MavKen> im creating a lightweight crm from scratch, needing a login system...ive hacked together login systems in the past but wanting to find a different way
[04:58] <MavKen> im using php/mysql
[04:59] <MavKen> i wish the major frameworks had something built in... i just dont like spending time on the login side of things
[04:59] <hitsujiTMO> MavKen: such a question would be more appropriate for #php then
[04:59] <MavKen> ok
[04:59] <hitsujiTMO> MavKen: one thing tho, use bcrypt/blowfish
[05:00] <MavKen> ok thanks, will check it out
[06:03] <crass> anyone know how/where/when local-premount initrd script get run from init?
[08:43] <Sling> having some weird issues with my apache httpd package all of a sudden, nothing out of the ordinary is appearing in logs but this is what happens: http://apaste.info/knE6
[08:44] <Sling> ah forgot to include in the paste that before the start command there are no apache processes running
[08:45] <Sling> this is ubuntu 13.10 with Apache/2.4.6
[08:51] <Sling> also, when I create a config file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ it should be enable-able by a2ensite right?
[08:51] <Sling> or hmm does it need the .conf extension..
[08:54] <Sling> so it does, anyway previous issue not yet fixed, any input would be appreciated
[09:27] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: looks like apache2 is being called started impropperly at another point
[09:27] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: that or its majorly misconfigured.
[09:28] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: have you looked at the error logs?
[09:28] <Sling> hitsujiTMO: yup as stated there is nothing out of the ordinary in the apache errorlog
[09:29] <Sling> also it actually is started and working fine, but not controllable by service apache2 <action> properly
[09:29] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: if you disable all the sites in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ does it still occor?
[09:29] <Sling> the httpd starts
[09:30] <Sling> its just the interaction between the upstart script and the actual httpd that is borked it seems
[09:30] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: apache2 is configured by sysv not upstart atm
[09:30] <Sling> okay that then :)
[09:31] <hitsujiTMO> have you tried disabling all sites, killing all apache processes and then starting again to see if you get the same hehaviour?
[09:34] <Sling> hitsujiTMO: yup, same behaviour
[09:35] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: has someone modified the apache sysv init script at some point?
[09:35] <Sling> very unlikely, not me at least
[09:36] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: if they haven't then the culprit would be the apache config. But don't think that can spawn new processes.
[09:36] <Sling> if the apache config would be broken, it wouldn't start
[09:38] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: not broken, just misconfigured
[09:39] <hitsujiTMO> you can have a misconfigured config that still works but doesn't do what its supposed to do
[09:39] <Sling> the httpd does what its supposed to do though..
[09:39] <Sling> it works perfectly fine
[09:40] <Sling> but for some reason, the processes that are launched, are not matching some pid file
[09:41] <Sling> /etc/apache2/envvars:export APACHE_PID_FILE=/var/run/apache2/apache2$SUFFIX.pid
[09:42] <Sling> that file doesn't exist, but /var/run/apache2.pid does
[09:43] <hitsujiTMO> $SUFFIX is a var. if its empty then the APACHE_PID_FILE produced is /var/run/apache2.pid
[09:43] <Sling> why not /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid ?
[09:43] <hitsujiTMO> ahh i see what you mean. you'd have to route thru the init script to see whats going on
[09:44] <hitsujiTMO> goes back to the question on if the init script has been modified or not
[09:44] <Sling> this fixes it; ln -s /var/run/apache2.pid /var/run/apache2/apache2.pid
[09:44] <Sling> but yeah, not proper solution
[09:45] <Sling> im guessing that some other package has fiddled with the init script
[09:45] <hitsujiTMO> that should not happen. are you using a ppa?
[09:46] <Sling> nope
[09:47] <Sling> although, there is a dl.google.com_linux_mod-spdy_deb_dists_stable_ in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[09:47] <Sling> hmm
[09:48] <hitsujiTMO> Sling: check the init script. maybe the server has been compromised
[09:54] <Sling> hitsujiTMO: last modified date was >6 months ago, and dpkg -S shows that only the apache2 package is doing something with that file
[09:54] <Sling> anyway, ill investigate further, some time :)
[09:55] <hitsujiTMO> tis a wee bit odd of an error
[10:10] <hallyn> smb: are you looking at bugs 1180281 and 915954 ?
[10:15] <smb> hallyn, Hm, since the bot is on holiday, give me a sec to look what they are
[10:29] <smb> hallyn, Ok, replied there but I would think those should be good in Trusty after libvirt 1.2.1 at least
[10:30] <hallyn> smb: i haven't actually look in detail;  was just wondering if you wer ehandling them.
[10:31] <hallyn> smb: yo're saying there are patches attached to the bug reports and those should go into our package?
[10:31] <hallyn> smb: if so, I'm currently getting ready to push libvirt to trusty with a new aarch64 patch pushed anyway...
[10:35] <rostam> HI how could I configure static IP address with nmcli ? thx
[10:55] <smb> hallyn, Now I am not sure you commented before I talked to you. Current code for libvirt1.2.1 should be working
[11:04] <hallyn> smb: i commented?
[11:04] <hallyn> oh, here you mean :)  thought you meant in the bug
[11:04] <hallyn> smb: yeah that was before we talked
[11:04] <hallyn> thx
[11:04] <smb> hallyn, Yeah, sorry for the confusion. :)
[11:13] <hallyn> adam_g: hi, for bug 1244694, could you test one more time, and report whether the new package works for you (no regressions)
[11:14] <hallyn> adam_g: it woudl be great if you could still reproduce it with the old version, but at least if the new package doesn't regress that's a good data point
[11:52] <shwaiil> Hi
[11:52] <shwaiil> wondering when is the next LTS version coming up ?
[11:53] <cfhowlett> !lts|shwaiil,
[11:53] <cfhowlett> !trusty
[11:53] <shwaiil> cfhowlett: thanks for looking. looks like a long read
[11:54] <shwaiil> just wondering if I should stick with 12.04 for a new server I'm assembling here
[11:54] <shwaiil> when I did research someone mentioned to maybe just wait for 14.04, so I wasn't sure if is around or not: )
[11:54] <cfhowlett> shwaiil, new LTS in 3 months - direct uprgrade from current lts to 14.04
[11:54] <shwaiil> cfhowlett: 3 months, cool :)
[11:54] <shwaiil> Thank you
[11:54] <cfhowlett> shwaiil, no problem
[12:03] <DenBeiren> Hey all,.. i'm having some issues with cron not running as it should,.. anyone here to help out?
[12:24] <ltlbeaver> DenBeiren, what problem does your cron have?
[12:26] <DenBeiren> i addes a line to shutdown at a certain time
[12:26] <DenBeiren> it doesn't shutdown at the asked time :-)
[12:26] <DenBeiren> i used shutdown -h now
[12:27] <DenBeiren> sudo shutdown -h now
[12:27] <DenBeiren> tried as user, tried as root
[12:28] <ikonia> errr how are you doing that as cron
[12:28] <ikonia> sudo requires user access unless you've changes the sudo rules
[12:28] <ikonia> and the root account should be locked
[12:29] <DenBeiren> i made a cron using crontab -e as my default user, and added the line shutdown -h now
[12:29] <DenBeiren> since that didn't work, i tried using sudo
[12:29] <ikonia> ok - so thats not going to work
[12:30] <ikonia> sudo isn't going to work as it needs user input
[12:30] <DenBeiren> since that didn't work i tried the same two things logged in as root
[12:30] <ikonia> so again the root account should be locked so you shouldn't be logging as root
[12:30] <ikonia> and I suggest you show the EXACT cron line you are using
[12:30] <DenBeiren> uhu
[12:30] <DenBeiren> what would be the way to go then? :-)
[12:31] <ikonia> you could look at a specific sudo no password line for you
[12:31] <ikonia> but lets see the exact line you're using
[12:31] <DenBeiren> after searching on google i added this line now
[12:32] <DenBeiren> 00 07 * * * /sbin/shutdown -p now
[12:32] <ikonia> -p is an invalid flag
[12:32] <DenBeiren> ok
[12:33] <ikonia> it appears you are just copying things blind rather than actually thinking about things/checking them
[12:33] <ikonia> I suggest you stop that
[12:33] <ikonia> actually research the things you need, eg: man shutdown
[12:34] <DenBeiren> i try to do so, but even the manpages are not always that easy for novice users i'm afraid
[12:34] <ikonia> ok - but looking if -p is a flag should be basic for if you want to use -p
[12:34] <ikonia> it varies from distro/provider
[12:34] <ikonia> also try the command manually to get better output, once you know it works you can look at setting it up in cron
[12:35] <DenBeiren> shutdown -h works normally as default user
[12:35] <ikonia> "default user" ?
[12:35] <DenBeiren> i looked at this: http://www.ipaste.eu/view.php?id=1186
[12:35] <DenBeiren> well,.. denbeiren is the normal user i always use
[12:35] <DenBeiren> so default user = denbeiren
[12:36] <ikonia> ok, so that shouldn't work
[12:36] <ikonia> unless you use sudo or have setuid set
[12:36] <DenBeiren> it asks for a sudo password when i enter that command
[12:38] <ikonia> right, so cron can't do that as it's not interactive
[12:38] <ikonia> apply some thought
[12:38] <DenBeiren> figure out how to make user a sudouser?
[12:39] <ikonia> no, your user is already a sudo user
[12:40] <DenBeiren> then i'm afraid i don't know
[12:40] <ikonia> ok, so first of all test the sudo command you want to use, make sure it works
[12:40] <ikonia> then understand the limitations, eg: sudo
[12:41] <ikonia> then update your sudo rules to make the command "shutdown" not require a sudo password
[12:42] <zul> jamespage:  the dependencies got promoted im just un depwaiting things today
[12:44] <DenBeiren> the commands that i would like to run all work
[12:44] <ikonia> DenBeiren: ok, so go to the next step
[12:44] <DenBeiren> so i need to be checking out changing sudo rules probably?
[12:45] <mardraum> how about edit root's crontab? :p
[12:47] <DenBeiren> mardraum: seems like that would be a big nono :-)
[12:47] <ikonia> depends how you look at it
[12:50] <mardraum> there is nothing wrong with using root
[12:51] <mardraum> for administration and elevated privs
[13:02] <makara> hi. How do I restart sshd on 13.04?
[13:02] <makara> remotely
[13:02] <makara> `sudo restart sshd` gives `restart: Unknown job: sshd`
[13:03] <mardraum> service ssh restart, or old way /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[13:04] <mardraum> makara if you are used to BSDs, note that ubuntu tends to drop the "d"
[13:04] <DenBeiren> ikonia: thanks for the help so far,.. have to go to work, i will look into it
[13:04] <mardraum> eg services like "ssh" "ntp" etc
[13:05] <mardraum> though I note that the BSDs don't have a "restart" command I am aware with, so perhaps some other linux distro instead.
[13:10] <makara> mardraum, thx
[13:53] <ttx> zul, jamespage: was the 12.04 kernel namespace bug brought to your attention ? The one that blocks neutron gating ?
[13:53] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273386
[13:53] <ttx> probably the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1252508/
[13:54] <jamespage> ttx, yes it has - mark pinged me last night about it
[13:54] <ttx> ok, cool
[13:55] <jamespage> sarnold, smb: could bug 1273386 have a bit of kernel team attention please
[13:55] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1273386
[14:21] <smb> jamespage, we will have a look
[14:26] <jamespage> smb, ta
[14:26] <jamespage> smb, also pinged arges
[14:27] <smb> jamespage, So he told me (sitting two seats down the table)
[14:27] <jamespage> smb, \o/
[15:05] <jamespage> smb, any chance you could join openstack-dev?
[15:07] <jamespage> smb,  probably a regression - "so far we've isolated that happens with 3.2.0-58 and did not happen with 3.2.0-57"
[15:16] <smb> jamespage, I can join. That info is good to have
[15:16] <jamespage> smb, thanks - it was really just to open up the channel between the neutron dev looking at this and your team
[15:44] <shwaiil> Q: I was questioning about user management for my samba file shares, if I can inherit the system users and groups, etc. Someone mentioned that I should use an intermediate access protocol like LDAP. I never did something like that, is that too complicated ? Thanks
[15:58] <atpa8a> hello
[15:59] <huttan> shwaiil: that is correct. If you setup a ldap server and add the samba schema, you can manage it centrally
[16:00] <shwaiil> huttan: Thanks so much for looking! I've got no experience with it but I'm ok about reading and trying. I just wonder if it's too complicated to setup ?
[16:00] <huttan> shwaiil: it depends on your experience with servers I guess. I personally found it pretty easy the first time i tried
[16:00] <olsonea> Hi #ubuntu-server! I've got a noobish question that I've tried to resolve on my own. I am working with a Wordpress site installed at /var/www. My user is in the www-data group, and everything under /var/www is owned by www-data:www-data. The problem is to modify anything, create a new dir, etc, I still have to sudo foocmd. What am  I missing?
[16:00] <huttan> shwaiil: and now Ubuntu also provides you with some great documentation
[16:01] <huttan> shwaiil: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-ldap.html
[16:01] <shwaiil> huttan: thanks, I'll try it then. have you ever found problems with mac osx clients ?
[16:01] <shwaiil> most people here use mac books :T a bit worried
[16:01] <huttan> shwaiil: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[16:01] <atpa8a> should update-grub work for efi boot?..
[16:01] <atpa8a> cause mine doesn't
[16:02] <huttan> shwaiil: it works great with them too
[16:02] <atpa8a> expert mode installation
[16:02] <shwaiil> huttan: ok cool :)
[16:02] <huttan> shwaiil: if u want to centralize all, might also wanna look into kerberos
[16:02] <huttan> shwaiil: just a tip
[16:02] <shwaiil> huttan: so, for example, let's say I've got a developer group and I invite a developer here, I connect to LDAP and I can create a new user and he's going to have his own home directory and all that stuff ?!
[16:03] <shwaiil> kerberos... oh ok
[16:03] <huttan> shwaiil: yepp, as long as the server he logs on is configured to pull login info from ldap
[16:03] <huttan> shwaiil: u can also manage sudo rights etc. from ldap
[16:04] <shwaiil> huttan: not sure if I'm understanding everything.
[16:04] <shwaiil> so my project under /var/www/myProject owned by group "developers" at 192.168.0.77
[16:04] <shwaiil> the developers would authenticate to a LDAP server and
[16:04] <shwaiil> ehh...
[16:05] <huttan> shwaiil: sure, u can setup apache to auth through ldap
[16:05] <shwaiil> hum, so what's kerberos ?
[16:05] <huttan> shwaiil: centralized passwords
[16:05] <huttan> shwaiil: in a secure way
[16:05] <shwaiil> but I can just work with LDAP without kerberos right ?
[16:06] <huttan> shwaiil: yeah
[16:06] <shwaiil> otherwise it's too much stuff for me to handle, to start with
[16:06] <huttan> shwaiil: its not requirement
[16:06] <shwaiil> huttan: just one thing, I usually provide a user and password to access a file share
[16:06] <shwaiil> with LDAP, it's exactly the same ?
[16:07] <huttan> shwaiil: yepp
[16:07] <olsonea> huttan: did shwaiil ask the same question I did before I entered?
[16:08] <huttan> olsonea: sorry i did not see your question
[16:08] <olsonea> about users with group permissions on /var/www?
[16:08] <olsonea> Hi #ubuntu! I've got a noobish question that I've tried to resolve on my own. I am working with a Wordpress site installed at /var/www. My user is in the www-data group, and everything under /var/www is owned by www-data:www-data. The problem is to modify anything, create a new dir, etc, I still have to sudo foocmd. What am  I missing?
[16:08] <olsonea> s/#ubuntu/#ubuntu-server/g
[16:09] <huttan> olsonea: i assume ur trying to create it as the www-data user and not ur regular home user?
[16:10] <olsonea> ah, let's call my home user olsonea. that's who i am authenticates as, yes.
[16:11] <huttan> olsonea: ok then
[16:11] <huttan> olsonea: So heres your problem, its owned by www-data so that has to be the one making dirs
[16:12] <huttan> olsonea: however, u can add urself to the group and give group write permission on /var/www
[16:12] <huttan> olsonea: then u could also make it w/o sudo
[16:12] <olsonea> ok, so when i issue the groups command, i am in the www-data group
[16:12] <olsonea> oh
[16:13] <olsonea> but it looks like the group only has read perms
[16:13] <olsonea> so i probably need to chmod 755 /var/www?
[16:13] <olsonea> err, less open, 751?
[16:14] <huttan> olsonea: no
[16:14] <huttan> olsonea: just do chmod g+w /var/www
[16:15] <huttan> olsonea: im not gonna specify recursive, if u need that do it
[16:15] <olsonea> gotcha
[16:15] <olsonea> huttan: superb, thanks for educating me
[16:16] <huttan> olsonea: sure, no problem
[16:44] <shwaiil> huttan: you still around ? I'm wondering, if LDAP have a GUI or a Web interface to allow any one to easily manage the user control access, etc ?
[16:44] <shwaiil> I'm trying to avoid creating any dependences
[16:44] <shwaiil> I don't want to be asked to manage new users or current users all the time by the command line
[16:45] <shwaiil> so just wondering if openLDAP provides that
[16:45] <shwaiil> I'm also doing research, maybe I'll find something about it meanwhile
[16:46] <pmatulis> shwaiil: openldap does not provide that, no
[16:46] <shwaiil> pmatulis: thanks for looking
[16:46] <shwaiil> if I'd like to have something like that, is it possible ?
[16:46] <pmatulis> shwaiil: i didn't look, i just know
[16:47] <pmatulis> shwaiil: it depends what kind of users you're talking about
[16:47] <shwaiil> pmatulis: sorry, what I mean with looking, is thanks for answering or thanks for taking your time to answer me, sorry not my native language
[16:47] <pmatulis> shwaiil: simple users or administrators
[16:47] <shwaiil> pmatulis: let's say any user with admin control be able to manage users
[16:48] <pmatulis> http://directory.apache.org/studio/
[16:48] <shwaiil> pmatulis: oh thanks
[16:48] <shwaiil> I'll have a look
[16:49] <pmatulis> but beware of relying too much on the gui.  i recommend learning the basics.  'cause you often need that to be able to debug/troubleshoot anything
[16:50] <shwaiil> pmatulis: sure. it's just to ensure that my managers and stuff have a way to manage simpler stuff
[16:50] <pmatulis> yep
[16:50] <shwaiil> without having to rely on me all the time, I'm just a developer anyway
[16:50] <shwaiil> let's say if I'm on vacations and stuff. We are a very small creative studio / agency
[16:50] <shwaiil> I do a bit of everything but.
[16:50] <pmatulis> for the basics, see the ubuntu server guide --> authentication --> openldap
[16:51] <tgm4883> What causes the screen to blank in ubuntu server?
[16:51] <shwaiil> tgm4883: are you running it under a VM ?
[16:51] <tgm4883> shwaiil, no, on an imac
[16:52] <shwaiil> tgm4883: happened to me when running on a VM, running in a mini mac
[16:52] <shwaiil> but I can still ssh to it etc
[16:52] <shwaiil> pmatulis: thanks
[16:52] <tgm4883> shwaiil, and you have to restart it afterwards?
[16:54] <conroe> Any suggestions package-wise at installing minimal lighdtm/xorg on -server?
[16:55] <conroe> I dont need accounts* and some of the other bloat ;)
[17:01] <pmatulis> conroe: openbox/lxde/lightdm
[17:25] <conroe> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommend should do it
[17:25] <conroe> figures ;)
[18:38] <atpa8a> any clues why upgrade-grub/efi doesn't work? Getting 'Couldn't find physical volume `(null)'. Some modules may be missing from core image..'
[18:41] <_atpa8a_> ...
[18:43] <TJ-> atpa8a: Have you got a degraded array?
[18:43] <atpa8a> TJ-: yup!
[18:43] <atpa8a> a fix?
[18:44] <atpa8a> is there?
[18:44] <atpa8a> testing efi, /boot on usb flash and / and friends on raid/lvm
[18:44] <TJ-> atpa8a: See http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?39527
[18:45] <TJ-> atpa8a: Do you still get "Installation finished. No error reported. " after "update-grub"
[18:45] <atpa8a> i think so
[18:46] <_atpa8a_> let me switch to this web interface so i can test
[18:46] <TJ-> Well, if so, there's no problem. Grub is warning about the missing device
[18:47] <_atpa8a_> hmm
[18:47] <_atpa8a_> retesting
[18:47] <_atpa8a_> actually want to add "bootdegraded=true" to grub
[18:48] <TJ-> Yes, although often it doesn't stop initrd scripts from stopping!
[19:08] <InfoIRCNET> Info about IRC http://p.pw/DLV
[19:27] <_atpa8a_> TJ-: thanks man! it worked
[19:40] <_atpa8a_> cool
[19:40] <_atpa8a_> now to trow openstack on it... :)
[20:47] <melter> if i run "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork", why does "apachectl -V" show the MPM as "event" and not "prefork"?
[20:48] <sarnold> melter: is the event mpm still installed?
[20:48] <sarnold> I would expect it to be preferred if it is installed
[20:48] <melter> sarnold: it was never installed
[20:48] <sarnold> melter: hrm. odd.
[20:49] <melter> sarnold: i just did a fresh install to verify. apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; reboot; apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork
[21:11] <NewInformator> Info about IRC at http://p.pw/DLV
[21:13] <genii> Spam.
[21:48] <hadifarn_> I want to change my Virtual Hosts directives in order to stop listening for 127.0.0.1
[21:48] <hadifarn_> none of the tutorials I read tells me where the hell is that file
[21:48] <hadifarn_> sites-enabled and stuff
[21:51] <teward> hadifarn_: you haven't said which webserver you're using
[21:51] <teward> since there's many in the repos
[21:51] <hadifarn_> teward: sorry. apache2 on ubuntu
[21:53] <hadifarn_> I changed <VirtualHost *:80> to <VirtualHost 172.20.30.40:80>
[21:53] <hadifarn_> that should do it. right?
[21:54] <teward> hadifarn_: i'm going to wait for an apache person to answer, i.e. someone who uses apache (I use nginx)
[21:54] <teward> but yes, now that you said it's apache someone can actually help :)
[21:54] <hadifarn_> ok. cheers teward
[21:55] <Pici> hadifarn_: If you haven't made any other configuration changes to apache's config, that should be it.  Make sure to restart apache afterwards.
[21:56] <hadifarn_> cool Pici. now my status mod should work
[21:56] <hadifarn_> yep. it works fine. thanks
[21:59] <rostam> Hi here is my /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/6834522/    I like eth0 to be default gateway but it does not, how can I change that.
[23:13] <byprdct> Under what circumstance would the me using the arrow keys cause the terminal to populate stuff like ^[[A instead of showing my most recent commands?
[23:15] <sarnold> byprdct: incorrect TERM environment variable, incorrect or missing terminfo for your terminal, maybe incorrect stty settings, maybe incorrect settings in your shell..
[23:15] <byprdct> hmm number of things sarnold
[23:16] <byprdct> not happy
[23:16] <sarnold> normally when I see that sort of behavior, running 'stty -sane' or 'reset' is enough to fix it, but if it is busted on login, it can be miserable to debug these things..
[23:16] <byprdct> thanks sarnold
[23:16] <byprdct> sweet
[23:16] <byprdct> going to try that now
[23:16] <byprdct> I
[23:16] <byprdct> I'm hoping it's not this time
[23:17] <byprdct> sarnold are you saying run sudo stty -sane
[23:17] <byprdct> or sudo reset
[23:18] <sarnold> byprdct: no 'sudo' necessary
[23:18] <byprdct> ok
[23:18] <byprdct> sarnold I get usage: stty [-a|-e|-g] [-f file] [options]
[23:18] <sarnold> byprdct: sorry, 'stty sane'.
[23:18] <byprdct> nevermind Im a moron
[23:18] <sarnold> wonder how long I've been handing out wrong advice..
[23:19] <byprdct> lol
[23:19] <sarnold> it's obviously been ages since I've had similar problems, longer than I thought.
[23:19] <byprdct> nope still doing it
[23:19] <byprdct> thats a good thing
[23:20] <byprdct> it doesn't do it when Im logged in as root
[23:21] <sarnold> byprdct: are you using 'sh' or 'bash' for your shell? I just confirmed that 'sh' still gives the ^[[A^[[A^[[A^[[B^[[B results
[23:21] <byprdct> I'm not sure how can I tell
[23:21] <byprdct> I sshd in
[23:22] <sarnold> byprdct: ps auxw | grep $$   ought to do it
[23:23] <byprdct> rep: to: No such file or directory
[23:23] <byprdct> all three are no such files or directory
[23:26] <pmatulis> how do i apply password strength checking on newly-created users?  that is, on the adduser/useradd commands
[23:27] <sarnold> pmatulis: check out libpam-pwquality
[23:27] <pmatulis> sarnold: thanks, will look
[23:29] <pmatulis> sarnold: this seems the same as libpam-cracklib
[23:30] <pmatulis> sarnold: so applied in common-password , which is for changing of passwords, not creating the initial one
[23:30] <sarnold> pmatulis: ah yes, I knew there was another one I couldn't recall.. sigh :)
[23:31] <pmatulis> is it possible to enforce 'user must change password after first login'?  then i could use the above modules
[23:31] <sarnold> pmatulis: does /etc/pam.d/newusers work for this case?
[23:31] <pmatulis> right now it points to common-password
[23:33] <pmatulis> ldd tells me /usr/sbin/useradd is not pam-aware
[23:46] <Guest98397> hi running software raid 1. I added the new devices and mdadm did a recovery. So I now have 4 identical drives. I set the boot flag on the new drives on the first partition. Do I have to copy the mbr to the new disks? Is there anything else I need to do to boot the new drives?
[23:46] <Guest98397> I think I'll try dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, that will probably make it boot.
[23:49] <sarnold> pmatulis: sorry, back; shadow(5) describes a password expiry that can be used for that, but it's been long enough since I've tried it I'm not sure how it works :)
[23:50] <pmatulis> sarnold: i found the chage command, it might do the same.  'chage -d 0 username'
[23:51] <sarnold> pmatulis: nice
[23:58] <Guest98397> I used grow to remove the old hard drives