[00:16] Hey, does the touch framework support HTTS/SSL? Is it wise?.. [01:06] anybody online [01:07] looking to get started porting UT to LG G2 and LG G Pad 8.3 [01:08] I'm reading up on the porting guide info - i'm experienced developer but new to ubuntu development [01:12] spkay31: Probably plenty of people online; generally IRC works by asking a specific question and then waiting (possibly a while, as timezones exist :)) [01:14] Haven't been IRC'ing for many years ;-) Kind of forgot the time lag in the communication protocol - heheh.... [01:18] greetings [01:19] Hi Kinnyo - newb here [01:19] flo/razor is not supported yet? i've been looking everywhere but i cannot find a specific answer about it [01:43] Kinnyo - look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, Moto Droid RAZR is listed under working but not under cdimage.ubuntu.com [01:44] not sure if that's what you are looking for with flo/razor? [01:44] FILES [01:44] \FILES === Guest72010 is now known as balloons === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:08] hi === Christian is now known as Guest67888 [02:08] excuse me, I got a question about Ubuntu Phone [02:09] shoot [02:09] is possible install Ubuntu Phone on Samsung Galaxy S4? [02:09] cause' I can't find any info about it [02:10] Go to the home url and follow the info. S4 is supported and available for d/l [02:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9505 [02:11] your welcome ;-) [02:11] Thanks dudes [02:11] kind regards [02:11] Np Christian [02:12] Hope you get installed and help out with QA! [02:14] Ok, I'll try [02:15] !Files [02:15] An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview see also: man hier [02:26] has anyone started on a port of ubuntu for the htc one? [02:27] HTC One = https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/m7spr [02:27] check it out === spkay31 is now known as spkay31[A] [04:30] * spkay31[A] is now away - Reason : gone to bed. [04:35] !away > spkay31[A] [04:35] spkay31[A], please see my private message [05:26] the music app still shows songs/albums that i've deleted from the phone. is there a way to clear this cache? [05:30] nobody has a suggestion? [05:33] Anyone know if CDMA functionality has been added to latest builds, as I can make phone calls just fine on Sprint. [05:39] the music app still shows songs/albums that i've deleted from the phone. is there a way to clear this cache? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === duflu_ is now known as duflu === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:11] good morning [08:43] someone here? [08:43] ?? [08:43] if is someone here please say something [08:45] someone is here? [08:45] tvoss? [08:45] you her?E [08:46] ????????????????????????????????? [08:47] aryxes_, yup, what's up? [08:47] ehm [08:47] its ubuntu channel yes? [08:48] guys i get question [08:48] aryxes_, yup, shoot :) [08:48] i installed ubuntu touch on my tablet (ASUS tf300t) [08:48] it works perfect [08:48] but i cant findterminal [08:48] :D [08:49] ?? [08:49] o-O [08:49] is anyone here? [08:49] some1 herE? [08:50] aryxes_, swipe to the Applications screen (it's called the Applications Scope), and then [08:50] ok [08:50] there is "Applications room" but there is not terminal ^( [08:50] you can use the Search bar at the top to type 'terminal' (without the quotes) and the terminal app will appear in the search results [08:51] search not responding [08:51] im thinking about ubuntu desktop [08:51] not touch [08:51] just desktop [08:51] can i install that from TWRP??? [08:52] aryxes_, in that case, if you want to launch the terminal from the desktop, you can just press Ctrl+Alt+T and a new terminal will be launched [08:52] im using tablet (asus tf300t) there is not Ctrl + Alt buttons [08:53] i have doc station but there is not Alt button [08:56] may i ask something else, can i install ubuntu desktop version on my tablet? === schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm [09:07] Qt 5.2 status update https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06168.html [09:08] Morning all === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [10:11] Hi! Yesterday I read from voices.canonical.com about the mozilla location project. Are there any plans for UT to use mozilla location database for aGPS= [10:11] ? [10:33] davmor2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1273629 [10:33] Ubuntu bug 1273629 in bluez (Ubuntu) "HSP fails on Ubuntu Touch" [Undecided,New] [10:33] cyphermox: thanks dude [10:34] I'm thinking I'll get back to the maguro to hack on it some more, at least to understand why all it does is a loop, but it really also should work on mako [10:35] I just don't know how to convince... hci_qcomm_init, I guess, to poke the device just right for the SCO transport to not fail [10:36] my other option is to flash android back on it and look hard === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:25] hmm [11:26] mpt: advice required! [11:26] I'm implementing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brightness#Phone ... it turns out that "Adjust automatically" might not always be available [11:26] in that case, should I hide that item or the entire panel? The brightness slider is also available in "Battery" and the indicator [11:30] Laney, mpt is on holidays this week (just for info so you don't block waiting on a reply) [11:30] okay [11:30] I've currently got it hidden if powerd isn't running [11:30] I'll MP it like that [11:30] Laney, in the past he said that this panel is supposed to become a "screen" one over time [11:31] but in the current form hidding is probably fine [11:33] that bit doesn't check if auto brightness is available, just if powerd is running [11:33] ho hum! [11:40] seb128, Laney: fyi powerd has a getBrightnessParams method which tells whether autobrightness is supported, and also the min and max brightness levels [11:40] ya [11:40] that's what I'm talking about [11:41] okay, just making sure :-) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:12] so. how awsome are things in relation to about a month ago? [12:12] super awwesome :) [12:13] at least awesome +3 ... if not +4 [12:13] thats good. android is getting progressively worse. [12:13] gonna want to switch over as soon as ubuntu is viable [12:16] how do I get the running status of an *app* started with upstart ? [12:16] messaging-app in this case [12:16] note: its not a click app yet [12:18] om26er, the init session of the pahblet user should have that info ... initctl should be able to give you the status [12:18] barry, do you remember the bug number for that dict issue with dbus? [12:18] barry, gatox does not remember it :-/ [12:18] sec... [12:19] mandel, gatox: LP: #1215586 [12:19] ogra_, I do: initctl status application-legacy APP_ID="dialer-app" [12:19] Launchpad bug 1215586 in ubuntu-system-settings "The u/i cannot handle the array-of-dictionaries update descriptions" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215586 [12:19] it says initctl: Unknown parameter: INSTANCE_ID [12:20] om26er, [12:20] phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ initctl list|grep dialer [12:20] application-legacy (dialer-app-) start/running, process 9459 [12:21] ogra_, cool, I can use the result from that in my code [12:21] pitti: Hey! I remember you recently wrote a quite simple test for whether one is on 3G or on WiFi, but I cant put my hand on it [12:21] pitti: would you remember what / where it was? [12:21] lool: err, did I? [12:22] pitti: I think so, as part of some testsuite or such [12:22] pitti: I remember reading a diff you wrote and thinking that it was relatively short and elegant way of checking [12:22] lool: hm, not really; I created tests for dialer and messaging-app, and for the sensors [12:22] om26er, you want the grep a little mmore fine grained though ... upstart shows "stop/killed" for a while after the app was closed [12:22] so make sure to check for "start/runnning" too [12:23] pitti: well I must be misremembering then :-) [12:23] pitti: thanks anyway [12:23] or was it evan [12:23] lool: I haven't really thought about it, but my first knee-jerk idea would be to check "ip route | grep ^default" and see to which interface that goes [12:23] oh yes, whoopsie not apport [12:23] and wlan/eth would be ok, ippp etc. not [12:23] well [12:24] you would want to ping the gateway perhaps [12:24] the route pointing there doesnt mean it works :) [12:24] ok, it's whoopsie/src/connectivity.c [12:25] sergiusens: ^ [12:26] pitti: ^ found what I rememberd, but was from ev, sorry :-) [12:26] lool: ah, nice [12:26] barry, do you have several UpdateAvailableStatus signals or something?? because right now, the signature of the signal that is being connected in system settings is: UpdateAvailableStatus(bool, bool, QString, int, QString, QString) and that doesn't include the descriptions data [12:28] gatox: right. it's commented out right now everywhere. since this is a signature changing feature, i'll have to add it back in a backward compatible way [12:28] barry, ah ok === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [12:36] boiko: ping [12:38] dednick: pong [12:40] boiko: hi, I'm working on the active call hint in unity8; ie. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1259896 [12:40] It requires we get notification when a call is in progress so we can show a bar at top of panel. Not sure if I should be going in directly to telepathy for this info, or by going throught the telephony-service-handler. [12:40] Ubuntu bug 1259896 in Unity 8 "[indicators] add active call hint in indicators" [Medium,Triaged] [12:41] boiko: is the telephony-service supposed to handle all active calls, being either voice or voip (eg skype, sip, etc) [12:41] dednick: so, one way it could be done would be more or less the same way it was done for the messaging menu: unity8 would provide an API to place such notifications, and then the telephony-service would make use of it [12:42] dednick: right now it is only for real calls, but I think the idea is (or at least the initial idea was) to use that for other voice backends === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [12:47] dednick: but it can be done as a telepathy observer too if you want, I just think that if there is a dedicated APi for that, maybe other 3rdparty apps can use that, even if they are not telepathy based [12:48] boiko: hmm.. I don't think we have any public unity8 apis...sounds a bit mad considering it's the shell. Should we not export libtelephonyservice classes for unity8 to use rather? (like the telephony-service-indicator does) [12:48] Mirv: hi! Do you think we can backport the fix for https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-36491 as a debian patch? [12:49] dednick: well, it doesn't need to be a unity8 API, it could be something like libmessaging-menu, a DBUS-based API that has its UI implemented in unity8 [12:52] dednick: but anyway, I can provide some DBUS properties and signals in telephony-service-handler that you can use to detect whether there is an active call [12:54] boiko: yeah, that's maybe a better idea [12:55] boiko: but will need things like call time + number/contact as well. [12:56] dednick: yep, only for the active call, right? you don't care about calls in background [12:57] boiko: hm. not actually sure. is background call a "held" call? [12:57] dednick: yep, but if you have a single held call, that info will be provided to you [12:57] i'm thinking probably if there is no active call, but there is one on hold, we would want that one. [12:57] ok. yup [12:58] dednick: ok, I will schedule to work on that [12:58] boiko: ta [13:01] mardy: certainly [13:05] sergiusens, cyphermox hi guys, this look better? https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/trusty/lxc-android-config/pretty-hostname/+merge/203400 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:06] cwayne: nice! [13:06] cwayne: perhaps you don't need the started dbus though, it should be started already if you're at starting bluetooth [13:07] cyphermox, well, hostnamectl does explicitly need dbus to be running though [13:07] yes [13:07] so it seems better safe than sorry IMHO [13:07] but I'm saying it will be, otherwise bluetooth will never be starting either [13:08] right, but it can't hurt to be explicit about needing dbus, can it? [13:09] no, I guess it can't [13:10] I'd just not have it to keep things simple [13:10] I'm ok with the merge, let's see what sergiusens says [13:17] rsalveti, wherefore art thou? lol === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:36] mardy: I bookmarked the qtbug report but if you can please file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src I can refer to from changelog [13:37] Mirv: sure, thanks [13:37] thanks [13:39] cwayne, cyphermox Can we just change the description and comment on first line (remove bluetooth ref) [13:39] Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1273684 [13:39] Ubuntu bug 1273684 in qtdeclarative-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Qt 5.2: JS Array.push() doesn't work on QStringList" [Undecided,New] [13:41] sergiusens, pushed [13:44] cwayne, I think you missed the 'description' stanza; sorry for not being clear [13:45] ricmm: ping [13:48] sergiusens, oops, completely missed that, pushed now [13:51] zsombi: hi === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:02] cyphermox, ready to merge cwayne 's MR [14:02] go for it [14:05] * cwayne doesnt have the proper permissions to do it i don't think [14:07] ricmm: clarification: when an app goe sto background, it is not closed, right? [14:08] ricmm: trying to get the StateSaver defaults to be sorted... [14:38] cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd-shim/+bug/1184262 [14:38] Ubuntu bug 1184262 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Trusty) "times out too early, stuck in PrepareForSleep, causing network and other services to not resume" [High,Fix released] [14:41] cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd-shim/+bug/1252121 [14:41] Ubuntu bug 1252121 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Saucy) "missing PrepareForSleep signal after resuming, causing networking to stay disabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:42] pitti: I'm hit by something which looks like LP #1184262 and LP #1252121 here :-) [14:42] Launchpad bug 1184262 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Trusty) "times out too early, stuck in PrepareForSleep, causing network and other services to not resume" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1184262 [14:43] bfiller, hey, could you please take a minute and answer the four questions in https://code.launchpad.net/~bfiller/unity8/disable-predictive-text/+merge/203390 description? [14:43] Saviq: sure [14:46] Saviq: done [14:46] bfiller, awesome, thanks [14:46] bfiller, can you remind me how to enable predictive text please? [14:47] Saviq: there is a setting in the Language and Text settings panel for word prediction [14:47] that will toggle it [14:47] bfiller, ah [14:48] elopio, hello! I remember you were working on an AP test for installing a click package from scratch. (Fallout from the nested landing + regressions) Is there an MP I can track for that? [14:48] mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity-scope-click/install_with_account/+merge/203404 [14:49] mterry: all done, except the download. I need to figure out a way to get a valid click file. [14:49] elopio, OK, thanks! And thanks for working on it :) [14:50] lool: oh - it's been some time since I met anyone (that I can potentially get physical hold of) who still has this problem [14:53] mterry: no problem. [14:53] it was just a coincidence that you needed it when I was working on it :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|bbl [15:12] Hello! Im new to porting etc. Actually I haven't done it before. Is there anyone who can teach me how to port Touch to my Ace 2? === bremnes_ is now known as bremnes === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [15:42] pitti: it's well reproducible here on a new install, and I've seen other people with the bug on forums [15:42] pitti: it seems to hit retina macbooks with the new broadcom chip [15:42] pitti: (bcmwl-kernel-source DKMS driver) [15:43] pitti: I did some debugging with cyphermox but he is out of ideas === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:43] pitti: he suggested turning to you for debug :-) [15:43] lool: did you look at a D-BUS debug log? Do you get the PrepareForSleep=false signal? [15:43] well, we still have the idea that the JobRemove signal/method for whatever that needs to happen on resume, doesn't [15:43] pitti: so what happens is that NM is properly notified that it should go to sleep state (PrepareForSleep true), but then never back to wake up [15:43] that's the root cause for the NM behaviour [15:44] issuing nmcli nm sleep true fixes the problem after resume [15:44] and there were like 3 different bugs why it was missing [15:44] pitti: So I have not yet captured DBus traffic, need to do this now [15:45] pitti: what we have tried is adding #undef IS_GDBUS_UNIXFD_AVAILABLE t top of network-manager/src/nm-sleep-monitor-systemd.c [15:45] didn't help [15:45] lool: dbus-monitor --system --monitor | grep -A 5 -B 5 Prepare [15:45] (note that you need to enable this first, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingDBus) [15:46] pitti: we've also seen that only one place seems to send the PrepareForSleep false, and that would be systemd-logind, but it seems to filter the dbus traffic to match a job finished signal or something like that, which sounded like systemd-init related [15:46] well, it's a signal anyway [15:46] I do get it, but my system has a lot of shit running. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6832639/ [15:47] (and it actually immediately resumes for now, not sure why, but could be related to all the messing I did with android so far [15:47] oh, and the usb driver connected, oops [15:51] pitti, cyphermox: Ok, did the dbus-monitor thing and I'm only getting the PrepareForSleep true [15:51] exactly one call [15:52] lool: that's bug 1252121 then [15:52] bug 1252121 in systemd-shim (Ubuntu Saucy) "missing PrepareForSleep signal after resuming, causing networking to stay disabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252121 [15:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6832671/ [15:52] pitti: Yes, that's the one I found as best matching my symptoms [15:53] pitti: so it was missing a dbus log; is the above grep sufficient? [15:53] lool: it's sufficient to confirm that it's that bug [15:53] but I have NFC why it would be missing :/ [15:54] lool: did you already try running system-shim in the foreground, as in the bug trail? I suppose that doesn't give any errors any more [15:54] if it does, that would be a surprise and something to get a handle on [15:54] sorry, need to disappear for some 30 mins [15:54] pitti: I did not, just reading this in the bug log [15:54] pitti: ok [16:03] pitti: attached log to bug report [16:04] cyphermox, hey, do you have permissions to top-approve that MR? [16:04] yeah, should, hold on [16:06] cwayne: I think you still someone to merge that to lxc-android-config manually [16:06] ah, no autolanding.. hmm [16:06] popey: Either the HTML5 template in the SDK is broken or ubuntu-html5-lanuncher is broken on the latest proposed [16:07] hi frecel [16:07] dpm_: who knows about html5? ^^ [16:07] popey: hi [16:07] ogra_, hi, any chance you could merge https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/trusty/lxc-android-config/pretty-hostname/+merge/203400 for us? I don't think I have the proper permissions :) [16:08] popey, frecel, that'd be knitzsche, alex-abreu or daker ^^ [16:08] frecel: ? [16:08] cwayne, you dont need permissions, you need upload rights ;) [16:08] frecel, what does it say? [16:08] well, you know what i mean :P [16:09] cwayne, hmm, that will run on each boot [16:09] give me a second I'll run it again [16:09] ogra_, is there an easy way to make it only run once? [16:09] /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-launcher: cannot execute binary file [16:09] so it looks like it's the launcher [16:09] otherwise, it just bails out because ! -s /etc/machine-info will be false [16:10] frecel, /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-launcher: exists ? [16:10] cwayne, have a look at /etc/init/boot-hooks-emit.conf [16:11] alex-abreu: yes [16:11] cwayne, i think stgraber designed it so that you can have boot hooks that only run once [16:11] frecel, there is a fix for that one that is pending, will be released soon, [16:12] frecel, there was a packaging issue [16:12] alex-abreu: oh, ok [16:12] ogra_, but doesnt it still do every boot? [16:12] initctl emit boot-hooks WHEN=every-boot [16:14] cwayne, that script just emits the event, the job in the subdir should then react to either "every-boot" or "new-version" [16:14] that way you would at least only run it on upgrades [16:15] iirc we had first boot stuff in lxc-android-config as well somewhere, let me lok [16:15] *look [16:16] cwayne, add it to /etc/init/lxc-android-boot.conf ... (above the -d android stuff, then it applies to both container models [16:16] ) [16:17] oh, hmm, rsalveti changed that to also run on every boot :( [16:17] I've flashed my UT on Nexus4 running a Android 4.4, no wifi nor phone call was working, then I've downgraded image radio following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Android4.4Radio and wifi or phone call started to work, but still no 3G data available. Any hint or clue how to debug that? :) [16:17] its also not in lxc-android-config ogra_ [16:18] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dpkg -S /etc/init/lxc-android-boot.conf [16:18] lxc-android-config: /etc/init/lxc-android-boot.conf [16:18] it is here [16:19] not in lp:ubuntu/lxc-android-config etc/init... [16:19] no idea what that is [16:19] the actual branch [16:19] ah [16:19] that's weird [16:19] it's in debian/ [16:19] we dont maintain that in bzr :) [16:19] ah, k [16:20] hmm [16:20] we really need a run-once mechanism ... [16:20] mardy, hey, do you know what's the status of supporting unity-control-center in gnome-control-center-signon? [16:20] adding job over job to our bootprocess will in the end make our boot reallly slow [16:21] lool: thanks; I followed up with some hints as to how debug it efficiently, but at this point I'm afraid it needs to be debugged on an actually affected machine [16:22] hmmm ... === greyback is now known as greyback|food [16:23] cwayne, i wonder if the upstart-file-bridge couldnt help here [16:23] so that the job only fires if the file doesnt exist [16:23] it exists, but it's empty [16:24] having a job isnt to costly ... whgat is costly here is that the script block spawns a shell (even just to test if the file is non empty) [16:25] jodh, does the upstart-file-bridge allow firing based on "file exists but is 0 byte" ? [16:26] * ogra_ guesses not ... since there wouldnt be an inotify event for that [16:32] bfiller, hey, do you have a link to those test plans for telephony/address-book apps? === mhr3__ is now known as mhr3 [16:35] cwayne: from the status report you mean? [16:35] ya [16:36] cwayne: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiE68jdtyfBcdHJkNFpFZEdHVGduSjl5UjFyNlpDcWc#gid=0 [16:37] bfiller, awesome, thanks man [16:37] cwayne: as I said, sure thing === vying is now known as Guest66744 === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox === greyback|food is now known as greyback [16:54] cwayne: hi again, I just realized I asked you to send me dmesg from my N5, but didn't actually tell you what my e-mail address it's - well, it's vbocek@gmail.com [16:57] Why when submiting a click package all I can choose is PC Only for hardware? [17:01] frecel, historical reasons, it'll be fixed :) [17:01] beuno: but my app will still be avaliable for touch right? [17:02] frecel, it will [17:02] beuno: alright, that's what I wanted to know [17:12] jodh, hey, I just had bug #1222705 again, it only retraces to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6833113/ though [17:12] bug 1222705 in upstart (Ubuntu) "init assert failure: alloc.c:633: Assertion failed in nih_unref: ref != NULL" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222705 [17:13] jodh, anywhere I could get you more info? like the actual abort message? [17:29] boiko: can you tell me how to reproduce that problem you found please? [17:31] Laney: yep, so, I restarted the phone, changed the ringtone in settings and made a call, this works [17:32] Laney: then I went to ubuntu-system-settings again and changed the ringtone and made a second call to the phone, the previous ringtone was still used [17:32] Laney: btw, using the packages you gave me there was still the dependency problem but I used --force to install them [17:34] ah, so maybe you aren't using the system-settings which writes to AS still [17:34] do this: gdbus call -y -d org.freedesktop.Accounts -o /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 -m org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get com.ubuntu.touch.AccountsService.Sound IncomingCallSound [17:34] and see if it shows your new one [17:34] Laney: let me see [17:35] umm, http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-system-settings-trusty-armhf-ci/87/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip is 404 [17:35] so I guess you can't have installed that :P [17:35] Laney: yeah, I built that manually [17:36] Laney: it points to the correct file [17:36] hmm! [17:37] Laney: if I kill telephony-service and restart it, it gets the correct ringtone [17:38] Laney: but if I change things on-the-fly, it doesn't [17:38] it's supposed to receive a change signal [17:38] that bit must be busted [17:38] Laney: yep, I see that in the code, not sure why it is not working [17:38] Laney: did you reproduce the problem there? [17:39] not yet, I don't have the right system-settings installed atm [17:41] Laney: ah ok, [17:41] well, it'd be good if I could figure out how to do it with gdbus call [17:41] * Laney fails at being able to specify variants there [17:44] ah, got it [17:44] boiko: yes indeed, it happens here [17:45] Laney: ok, nice it is not just me :) [17:45] i'll look into it [17:46] Laney: nice! thanks [17:50] boiko: For my reference, how can I run telephony-service in the foreground to get debugging out of this code? [17:50] Laney: well, it is just running telephony-service-approver by hand on a terminal [17:50] okay [17:50] Laney: it doesn't have much debug print though [17:51] I guess I'll be adding some === NothingMuchHereT is now known as Nothing_Much === bfiller is now known as bfiller_afk === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === dandrader|bbl is now known as dandrader [18:21] is mako image broken ? [18:21] I see phone signals but no calls since yesterday [18:22] woot! [18:22] tedg, i got multiple instance management working in the hub [18:22] om26er: works for me [18:22] om26er: both directions [18:23] om26er: sms too [18:24] popey, i wonder its something to do with my sim === gustavold1 is now known as gustavold [18:45] does anyone know offhand how to switch the channel from a touch install from trusty to trusty-proposed? [18:45] ogra_, ^? ;-) [18:46] system-image-cli --channel trusty-proposed -b 0 [18:46] ogra_, is that going to download or anything for me, or just change the channel? [18:47] * seb128 tries [18:47] it will flash a new image [18:47] no no no [18:47] (it has to, you cant just switch channels) [18:47] not what I want ;-) [18:48] shrug [18:48] well, the only option to switch [18:48] I guess I'm just going to wait for the next image promotion then [18:48] didrocks, when is that happening? ;-) [18:49] seb128: I think you have to ask ricmm :p [18:49] shrug [18:49] once it works [18:49] didrocks, ogra_: I'm going to land the system update setting refactoring without actual device testing I think then [18:49] * seb128 crosses fingers that works without issues [18:49] I need an update to test that the update still works [18:50] but seems like that's not happening any time soon [18:50] seb128: we can create an image in the proposed channel if you need one [18:50] seb128, that will make many people really really angry if it breaks [18:50] (or you can flash an older channel) [18:50] ogra_, well, give me a way to test then? [18:50] older revision* [18:50] so I need to redo the whole circle to change from trusty to trusty-proposed? [18:51] how do we migrate users from e.g saucy to trusty? [18:51] we ask them to reset their device? [18:51] seb128: hum, you don't need to do that [18:51] you can flash trusty-proposed with rev -2 [18:51] didrocks, I was hopping to not have to download a full image again [18:51] and then, you should get an update [18:52] it feels weird to me that I can update for e.g image 41 to 43 while 43 is in proposed [18:52] but I could do the same update with the same images once the image is promoted [18:52] *can't* [18:52] we only generate the diff when the image is flagged? [18:53] stgraber, ^ [18:53] normally, for every images from what I know [19:01]