[00:16] <surgemcgee> Hey, does the touch framework support HTTS/SSL? Is it wise?..
[01:06] <spkay31> anybody online
[01:07] <spkay31> looking to get started porting UT to LG G2 and LG G Pad 8.3
[01:08] <spkay31> I'm reading up on the porting guide info - i'm experienced developer but new to ubuntu development
[01:12] <RAOF> spkay31: Probably plenty of people online; generally IRC works by asking a specific question and then waiting (possibly a while, as timezones exist :))
[01:14] <spkay31> Haven't been IRC'ing for many years ;-) Kind of forgot the time lag in the communication protocol - heheh....
[01:18] <Kinnyo> greetings
[01:19] <spkay31> Hi Kinnyo - newb here
[01:19] <Kinnyo> flo/razor is not supported yet? i've been looking everywhere but i cannot find a specific answer about it
[01:43] <spkay31> Kinnyo - look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, Moto Droid RAZR is listed under working but not under cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:44] <spkay31> not sure if that's what you are looking for with flo/razor?
[01:44] <spkay31> FILES
[01:44] <spkay31> \FILES
[02:08] <Christian> hi
[02:08] <Guest67888> excuse me, I got a question about Ubuntu Phone
[02:09] <spkay31> shoot
[02:09] <Guest67888> is possible install Ubuntu Phone on Samsung Galaxy S4?
[02:09] <Guest67888> cause' I can't find any info about it
[02:10] <spkay31> Go to the home url and follow the info. S4 is supported and available for d/l
[02:11] <spkay31> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9505
[02:11] <spkay31> your welcome ;-)
[02:11] <Guest67888> Thanks dudes
[02:11] <Guest67888> kind regards
[02:11] <spkay31> Np Christian
[02:12] <spkay31> Hope you get installed and help out with QA!
[02:14] <Guest67888> Ok, I'll try
[02:15] <spkay31> !Files
[02:26] <Shaberu> has anyone started on a port of ubuntu for the htc one?
[02:27] <spkay31> HTC One = https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/m7spr
[02:27] <spkay31> check it out
[04:30]  * spkay31[A] is now away - Reason : gone to bed.
[04:35] <RAOF> !away > spkay31[A]
[05:26] <ajbrandt1> the music app still shows songs/albums that i've deleted from the phone. is there a way to clear this cache?
[05:30] <ajbrandt1> nobody has a suggestion?
[05:33] <tehsu__> Anyone know if CDMA functionality has been added to latest builds, as I can make phone calls just fine on Sprint.
[05:39] <ajbrandt1> the music app still shows songs/albums that i've deleted from the phone. is there a way to clear this cache?
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <aryxes> someone here?
[08:43] <aryxes> ??
[08:43] <aryxes> if is someone here please say something
[08:45] <aryxes_> someone is here?
[08:45] <aryxes_> tvoss?
[08:45] <aryxes_> you her?E
[08:46] <aryxes_>  ?????????????????????????????????
[08:47] <tvoss> aryxes_, yup, what's up?
[08:47] <aryxes_> ehm
[08:47] <aryxes_> its ubuntu channel yes?
[08:48] <aryxes_> guys i get question
[08:48] <tvoss> aryxes_, yup, shoot :)
[08:48] <aryxes_> i installed ubuntu touch on my tablet (ASUS tf300t)
[08:48] <aryxes_> it works perfect
[08:48] <aryxes_> but i cant findterminal
[08:48] <aryxes_> :D
[08:49] <aryxes_> ??
[08:49] <aryxes_> o-O
[08:49] <aryxes_> is anyone here?
[08:49] <aryxes_> some1 herE?
[08:50] <dpm> aryxes_, swipe to the Applications screen (it's called the Applications Scope), and then
[08:50] <aryxes_> ok
[08:50] <aryxes_> there is "Applications room" but there is not terminal ^(
[08:50] <dpm> you can use the Search bar at the top to type 'terminal' (without the quotes) and the terminal app will appear in the search results
[08:51] <aryxes_> search not responding
[08:51] <aryxes_> im thinking about ubuntu desktop
[08:51] <aryxes_> not touch
[08:51] <aryxes_> just desktop
[08:51] <aryxes_> can i install that from TWRP???
[08:52] <dpm> aryxes_, in that case, if you want to launch the terminal from the desktop, you can just press Ctrl+Alt+T and a new terminal will be launched
[08:52] <aryxes_> im using tablet (asus tf300t) there is not Ctrl + Alt buttons
[08:53] <aryxes_> i have doc station but there is not Alt button
[08:56] <aryxes_> may i ask something else, can i install ubuntu desktop version on my tablet?
[09:07] <Mirv> Qt 5.2 status update https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06168.html
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:11] <timppa> Hi! Yesterday I read from voices.canonical.com about the mozilla location project. Are there any plans for UT to use mozilla location database for aGPS=
[10:11] <timppa> ?
[10:33] <cyphermox> davmor2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1273629
[10:33] <davmor2> cyphermox: thanks dude
[10:34] <cyphermox> I'm thinking I'll get back to the maguro to hack on it some more, at least to understand why all it does is a loop, but it really also should work on mako
[10:35] <cyphermox> I just don't know how to convince... hci_qcomm_init, I guess, to poke the device just right for the SCO transport to not fail
[10:36] <cyphermox> my other option is to flash android back on it and look hard
[11:25] <Laney> hmm
[11:26] <Laney> mpt: advice required!
[11:26] <Laney> I'm implementing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brightness#Phone ... it turns out that "Adjust automatically" might not always be available
[11:26] <Laney> in that case, should I hide that item or the entire panel? The brightness slider is also available in "Battery" and the indicator
[11:30] <seb128> Laney, mpt is on holidays this week (just for info so you don't block waiting on a reply)
[11:30] <Laney> okay
[11:30] <Laney> I've currently got it hidden if powerd isn't running
[11:30] <Laney> I'll MP it like that
[11:30] <seb128> Laney, in the past he said that this panel is supposed to become a "screen" one over time
[11:31] <seb128> but in the current form hidding is probably fine
[11:33] <Laney> that bit doesn't check if auto brightness is available, just if powerd is running
[11:33] <Laney> ho hum!
[11:40] <sforshee> seb128, Laney: fyi powerd has a getBrightnessParams method which tells whether autobrightness is supported, and also the min and max brightness levels
[11:40] <Laney> ya
[11:40] <Laney> that's what I'm talking about
[11:41] <sforshee> okay, just making sure :-)
[12:12] <robjh> so. how awsome are things in relation to about a month ago?
[12:12] <ogra_> super awwesome :)
[12:13] <ogra_> at least awesome +3 ... if not +4
[12:13] <robjh> thats good. android is getting progressively worse.
[12:13] <robjh> gonna want to switch over as soon as ubuntu is viable
[12:16] <om26er> how do I get the running status of an *app* started with upstart ?
[12:16] <om26er> messaging-app in this case
[12:16] <om26er> note: its not a click app yet
[12:18] <ogra_> om26er, the init session of the pahblet user should have that info ... initctl should be able to give you the status
[12:18] <mandel> barry, do you remember the bug number for that dict issue with dbus?
[12:18] <mandel> barry, gatox does not remember it :-/
[12:18] <barry> sec...
[12:19] <barry> mandel, gatox: LP: #1215586
[12:19] <om26er> ogra_, I do:  initctl status application-legacy APP_ID="dialer-app"
[12:19] <om26er> it says initctl: Unknown parameter: INSTANCE_ID
[12:20] <ogra_> om26er,
[12:20] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ initctl list|grep dialer
[12:20] <ogra_> application-legacy (dialer-app-) start/running, process 9459
[12:21] <om26er> ogra_, cool, I can use the result from that in my code
[12:21] <lool> pitti: Hey!  I remember you recently wrote a quite simple test for whether one is on 3G or on WiFi, but I cant put my hand on it
[12:21] <lool> pitti: would you remember what / where it was?
[12:21] <pitti> lool: err, did I?
[12:22] <lool> pitti: I think so, as part of some testsuite or such
[12:22] <lool> pitti: I remember reading a diff you wrote and thinking that it was relatively short and elegant way of checking
[12:22] <pitti> lool: hm, not really; I created tests for dialer and messaging-app, and for the sensors
[12:22] <ogra_> om26er, you want the grep a little mmore fine grained though ... upstart shows "stop/killed" for a while after the app was closed
[12:22] <ogra_> so make sure to check for "start/runnning" too
[12:23] <lool> pitti: well I must be misremembering then  :-)
[12:23] <lool> pitti: thanks anyway
[12:23] <lool> or was it evan
[12:23] <pitti> lool: I haven't really thought about it, but my first knee-jerk idea would be to check "ip route | grep ^default" and see to which interface that goes
[12:23] <lool> oh yes, whoopsie not apport
[12:23] <pitti> and wlan/eth would be ok, ippp etc. not
[12:23] <ogra_> well
[12:24] <ogra_> you would want to ping the gateway perhaps
[12:24] <ogra_> the route pointing there doesnt mean it works :)
[12:24] <lool> ok, it's whoopsie/src/connectivity.c
[12:25] <lool> sergiusens: ^
[12:26] <lool> pitti: ^ found what I rememberd, but was from ev, sorry  :-)
[12:26] <pitti> lool: ah, nice
[12:26] <gatox> barry, do you have several UpdateAvailableStatus signals or something?? because right now, the signature of the signal that is being connected in system settings is: UpdateAvailableStatus(bool, bool, QString, int, QString, QString) and that doesn't include the descriptions data
[12:28] <barry> gatox: right.  it's commented out right now everywhere.  since this is a signature changing feature, i'll have to add it back in a backward compatible way
[12:28] <gatox> barry, ah ok
[12:36] <dednick> boiko: ping
[12:38] <boiko> dednick: pong
[12:40] <dednick> boiko: hi, I'm working on the active call hint in unity8; ie. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1259896
[12:40] <dednick> It requires we get notification when a call is in progress so we can show a bar at top of panel. Not sure if I should be going in directly to telepathy for this info, or by going throught the telephony-service-handler.
[12:41] <dednick> boiko: is the telephony-service supposed to handle all active calls, being either voice or voip (eg skype, sip, etc)
[12:41] <boiko> dednick: so, one way it could be done would be more or less the same way it was done for the messaging menu: unity8 would provide an API to place such notifications, and then the telephony-service would make use of it
[12:42] <boiko> dednick: right now it is only for real calls, but I think the idea is (or at least the initial idea was) to use that for other voice backends
[12:47] <boiko> dednick: but it can be done as a telepathy observer too if you want, I just think that if there is a dedicated APi for that, maybe other 3rdparty apps can use that, even if they are not telepathy based
[12:48] <dednick> boiko: hmm.. I don't think we have any public unity8 apis...sounds a bit mad considering it's the shell. Should we not export libtelephonyservice classes for unity8 to use rather? (like the telephony-service-indicator does)
[12:48] <mardy> Mirv: hi! Do you think we can backport the fix for https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-36491 as a debian patch?
[12:49] <boiko> dednick: well, it doesn't need to be a unity8 API, it could be something like libmessaging-menu, a DBUS-based API that has its UI implemented in unity8
[12:52] <boiko> dednick: but anyway, I can provide some DBUS properties and signals in telephony-service-handler that you can use to detect whether there is an active call
[12:54] <dednick> boiko: yeah, that's maybe a better idea
[12:55] <dednick> boiko: but will need things like call time + number/contact as well.
[12:56] <boiko> dednick: yep, only for the active call, right? you don't care about calls in background
[12:57] <dednick> boiko: hm. not actually sure. is background call a "held" call?
[12:57] <boiko> dednick: yep, but if you have a single held call, that info will be provided to you
[12:57] <dednick> i'm thinking probably if there is no active call, but there is one on hold, we would want that one.
[12:57] <dednick> ok. yup
[12:58] <boiko> dednick: ok, I will schedule to work on that
[12:58] <dednick> boiko: ta
[13:01] <Mirv> mardy: certainly
[13:05] <cwayne> sergiusens, cyphermox hi guys, this look better? https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/trusty/lxc-android-config/pretty-hostname/+merge/203400
[13:06] <cyphermox> cwayne: nice!
[13:06] <cyphermox> cwayne: perhaps you don't need the started dbus though, it should be started already if you're at starting bluetooth
[13:07] <cwayne> cyphermox, well, hostnamectl does explicitly need dbus to be running though
[13:07] <cyphermox> yes
[13:07] <cwayne> so it seems better safe than sorry IMHO
[13:07] <cyphermox> but I'm saying it will be, otherwise bluetooth will never be starting either
[13:08] <cwayne> right, but it can't hurt to be explicit about needing dbus, can it?
[13:09] <cyphermox> no, I guess it can't
[13:10] <cyphermox> I'd just not have it to keep things simple
[13:10] <cyphermox> I'm ok with the merge, let's see what sergiusens says
[13:17] <shiggitay> rsalveti, wherefore art thou? lol
[13:36] <Mirv> mardy: I bookmarked the qtbug report but if you can please file a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src I can refer to from changelog
[13:37] <mardy> Mirv: sure, thanks
[13:37] <Mirv> thanks
[13:39] <sergiusens> cwayne, cyphermox Can we just change the description and comment on first line (remove bluetooth ref)
[13:39] <mardy> Mirv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1273684
[13:41] <cwayne> sergiusens, pushed
[13:44] <sergiusens> cwayne, I think you missed the 'description' stanza; sorry for not being clear
[13:45] <zsombi> ricmm: ping
[13:48] <cwayne> sergiusens, oops, completely missed that, pushed now
[13:51] <ricmm> zsombi: hi
[14:02] <sergiusens> cyphermox, ready to merge cwayne 's MR
[14:02] <cyphermox> go for it
[14:05]  * cwayne doesnt have the proper permissions to do it i don't think
[14:07] <zsombi> ricmm: clarification: when an app goe sto background, it is not closed, right?
[14:08] <zsombi> ricmm: trying to get the StateSaver defaults to be sorted...
[14:38] <lool> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd-shim/+bug/1184262
[14:41] <lool> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd-shim/+bug/1252121
[14:42] <lool> pitti: I'm hit by something which looks like LP #1184262 and LP #1252121 here  :-)
[14:43] <Saviq> bfiller, hey, could you please take a minute and answer the four questions in https://code.launchpad.net/~bfiller/unity8/disable-predictive-text/+merge/203390 description?
[14:43] <bfiller> Saviq: sure
[14:46] <bfiller> Saviq: done
[14:46] <Saviq> bfiller, awesome, thanks
[14:46] <Saviq> bfiller, can you remind me how to enable predictive text please?
[14:47] <bfiller> Saviq: there is a setting in the Language and Text settings panel for word prediction
[14:47] <bfiller> that will toggle it
[14:47] <Saviq> bfiller, ah
[14:48] <mterry> elopio, hello!  I remember you were working on an AP test for installing a click package from scratch.  (Fallout from the nested landing + regressions)  Is there an MP I can track for that?
[14:48] <elopio> mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity-scope-click/install_with_account/+merge/203404
[14:49] <elopio> mterry: all done, except the download. I need to figure out a way to get a valid click file.
[14:49] <mterry> elopio, OK, thanks!  And thanks for working on it  :)
[14:50] <pitti> lool: oh - it's been some time since I met anyone (that I can potentially get physical hold of) who still has this problem
[14:53] <elopio> mterry: no problem.
[14:53] <elopio> it was just a coincidence that you needed it when I was working on it :)
[15:12] <akitoru> Hello! Im new to porting etc. Actually I haven't done it before. Is there anyone who can teach me how to port Touch to my Ace 2?
[15:42] <lool> pitti: it's well reproducible here on a new install, and I've seen other people with the bug on forums
[15:42] <lool> pitti: it seems to hit retina macbooks with the new broadcom chip
[15:42] <lool> pitti: (bcmwl-kernel-source DKMS driver)
[15:43] <lool> pitti: I did some debugging with cyphermox but he is out of ideas
[15:43] <lool> pitti: he suggested turning to you for debug  :-)
[15:43] <pitti> lool: did you look at a D-BUS debug log? Do you get the PrepareForSleep=false signal?
[15:43] <cyphermox> well, we still have the idea that the JobRemove signal/method for whatever that needs to happen on resume, doesn't
[15:43] <lool> pitti: so what happens is that NM is properly notified that it should go to sleep state (PrepareForSleep true), but then never back to wake up
[15:43] <pitti> that's the root cause for the NM behaviour
[15:44] <lool> issuing nmcli nm sleep true fixes the problem after resume
[15:44] <pitti> and there were like 3 different bugs why it was missing
[15:44] <lool> pitti: So I have not yet captured DBus traffic, need to do this now
[15:45] <lool> pitti: what we have tried is adding #undef IS_GDBUS_UNIXFD_AVAILABLE t top of network-manager/src/nm-sleep-monitor-systemd.c
[15:45] <lool> didn't help
[15:45] <cyphermox> lool: dbus-monitor --system --monitor | grep -A 5 -B 5 Prepare
[15:45] <pitti> (note that you need to enable this first, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingDBus)
[15:46] <lool> pitti: we've also seen that only one place seems to send the PrepareForSleep false, and that would be systemd-logind, but it seems to filter the dbus traffic to match a job finished signal or something like that, which sounded like systemd-init related
[15:46] <cyphermox> well, it's a signal anyway
[15:46] <cyphermox> I do get it, but my system has a lot of shit running. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6832639/
[15:47] <cyphermox> (and it actually immediately resumes for now, not sure why, but could be related to all the messing I did with android so far
[15:47] <cyphermox> oh, and the usb driver connected, oops
[15:51] <lool> pitti, cyphermox: Ok, did the dbus-monitor thing and I'm only getting the PrepareForSleep true
[15:51] <lool> exactly one call
[15:52] <pitti> lool: that's bug 1252121 then
[15:52] <lool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6832671/
[15:52] <lool> pitti: Yes, that's the one I found as best matching my symptoms
[15:53] <lool> pitti: so it was missing a dbus log; is the above grep sufficient?
[15:53] <pitti> lool: it's sufficient to confirm that it's that bug
[15:53] <pitti> but I have NFC why it would be missing :/
[15:54] <pitti> lool: did you already try running system-shim in the foreground, as in the bug trail? I suppose that doesn't give any errors any more
[15:54] <pitti> if it does, that would be a surprise and something to get a handle on
[15:54] <pitti> sorry, need to disappear for some 30 mins
[15:54] <lool> pitti: I did not, just reading this in the bug log
[15:54] <lool> pitti: ok
[16:03] <lool> pitti: attached log to bug report
[16:04] <cwayne> cyphermox, hey, do you have permissions to top-approve that MR?
[16:04] <cyphermox> yeah, should, hold on
[16:06] <cyphermox> cwayne: I think you still someone to merge that to lxc-android-config manually
[16:06] <cwayne> ah, no autolanding.. hmm
[16:06] <frecel> popey: Either the HTML5 template in the SDK is broken or ubuntu-html5-lanuncher is broken on the latest proposed
[16:07] <popey> hi frecel
[16:07] <popey> dpm_: who knows about html5? ^^
[16:07] <frecel> popey: hi
[16:07] <cwayne> ogra_, hi, any chance you could merge https://code.launchpad.net/~cwayne18/ubuntu/trusty/lxc-android-config/pretty-hostname/+merge/203400 for us?  I don't think I have the proper permissions :)
[16:08] <dpm> popey, frecel, that'd be knitzsche, alex-abreu or daker ^^
[16:08] <daker> frecel: ?
[16:08] <ogra_> cwayne, you dont need permissions, you need upload rights ;)
[16:08] <alex-abreu> frecel, what does it say?
[16:08] <cwayne> well, you know what i mean :P
[16:09] <ogra_> cwayne, hmm, that will run on each boot
[16:09] <frecel> give me a second I'll run it again
[16:09] <cwayne> ogra_, is there an easy way to make it only run once?
[16:09] <frecel> /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-launcher: cannot execute binary file
[16:09] <frecel> so it looks like it's the launcher
[16:09] <cwayne> otherwise, it just bails out because ! -s /etc/machine-info will be false
[16:10] <alex-abreu> frecel, /usr/bin/ubuntu-html5-launcher: exists ?
[16:10] <ogra_> cwayne, have a look at /etc/init/boot-hooks-emit.conf
[16:11] <frecel> alex-abreu: yes
[16:11] <ogra_> cwayne, i think stgraber designed it so that you can have boot hooks that only run once
[16:11] <alex-abreu> frecel, there is a fix for that one that is pending, will be released soon,
[16:12] <alex-abreu> frecel, there was a packaging issue
[16:12] <frecel> alex-abreu: oh, ok
[16:12] <cwayne> ogra_, but doesnt it still do every boot?
[16:12] <cwayne>     initctl emit boot-hooks WHEN=every-boot
[16:14] <ogra_> cwayne, that script just emits the event, the job in the subdir should then react to either "every-boot" or "new-version"
[16:14] <ogra_> that way you would at least only run it on upgrades
[16:15] <ogra_> iirc we had first boot stuff in lxc-android-config as well somewhere, let me lok
[16:15] <ogra_> *look
[16:16] <ogra_> cwayne, add it to /etc/init/lxc-android-boot.conf ... (above the -d android stuff, then it applies to both container models
[16:16] <ogra_> )
[16:17] <ogra_> oh, hmm, rsalveti changed that to also run on every boot :(
[16:17] <ybon> I've flashed my UT on Nexus4 running a Android 4.4, no wifi nor phone call was working, then I've downgraded image radio following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation#Android4.4Radio and wifi or phone call started to work, but still no 3G data available. Any hint or clue how to debug that? :)
[16:17] <cwayne> its also not in lxc-android-config ogra_
[16:18] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dpkg -S /etc/init/lxc-android-boot.conf
[16:18] <ogra_> lxc-android-config: /etc/init/lxc-android-boot.conf
[16:18] <ogra_> it is here
[16:19] <cwayne> not in lp:ubuntu/lxc-android-config etc/init...
[16:19] <ogra_> no idea what that is
[16:19] <cwayne> the actual branch
[16:19] <cwayne> ah
[16:19] <cwayne> that's weird
[16:19] <cwayne> it's in debian/
[16:19] <ogra_> we dont maintain that in bzr :)
[16:19] <ogra_> ah, k
[16:20] <ogra_> hmm
[16:20] <ogra_> we really need a run-once mechanism ...
[16:20] <seb128> mardy, hey, do you know what's the status of supporting unity-control-center in gnome-control-center-signon?
[16:20] <ogra_> adding job over job to our bootprocess will in the end make our boot reallly slow
[16:21] <pitti> lool: thanks; I followed up with some hints as to how debug it efficiently, but at this point I'm afraid it needs to be debugged on an actually affected machine
[16:22] <ogra_> hmmm ...
[16:23] <ogra_> cwayne, i wonder if the upstart-file-bridge couldnt help here
[16:23] <ogra_> so that the job only fires if the file doesnt exist
[16:23] <cwayne> it exists, but it's empty
[16:24] <ogra_> having a job isnt to costly ... whgat is costly here is that the script block spawns a shell (even just to test if the file is non empty)
[16:25] <ogra_> jodh, does the upstart-file-bridge allow firing based on "file exists but is 0 byte" ?
[16:26]  * ogra_ guesses not ... since there wouldnt be an inotify event for that
[16:32] <cwayne> bfiller, hey, do you have a link to those test plans for telephony/address-book apps?
[16:35] <bfiller> cwayne: from the status report you mean?
[16:35] <cwayne> ya
[16:36] <bfiller> cwayne: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiE68jdtyfBcdHJkNFpFZEdHVGduSjl5UjFyNlpDcWc#gid=0
[16:37] <cwayne> bfiller, awesome, thanks man
[16:37] <bfiller> cwayne: as I said, sure thing
[16:54] <Tassadar> cwayne: hi again, I just realized I asked you to send me dmesg from my N5, but didn't actually tell you what my e-mail address it's - well, it's vbocek@gmail.com
[16:57] <frecel> Why when submiting a click package all I can choose is PC Only for hardware?
[17:01] <beuno> frecel, historical reasons, it'll be fixed  :)
[17:01] <frecel> beuno: but my app will still be avaliable for touch right?
[17:02] <beuno> frecel, it will
[17:02] <frecel> beuno: alright, that's what I wanted to know
[17:12] <Saviq> jodh, hey, I just had bug #1222705 again, it only retraces to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6833113/ though
[17:13] <Saviq> jodh, anywhere I could get you more info? like the actual abort message?
[17:29] <Laney> boiko: can you tell me how to reproduce that problem you found please?
[17:31] <boiko> Laney: yep, so, I restarted the phone, changed the ringtone in settings and made a call, this works
[17:32] <boiko> Laney: then I went to ubuntu-system-settings again and changed the ringtone and made a second call to the phone, the previous ringtone was still used
[17:32] <boiko> Laney: btw, using the packages you gave me there was still the dependency problem but I used --force to install them
[17:34] <Laney> ah, so maybe you aren't using the system-settings which writes to AS still
[17:34] <Laney> do this: gdbus call -y -d org.freedesktop.Accounts -o /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 -m org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get com.ubuntu.touch.AccountsService.Sound IncomingCallSound
[17:34] <Laney> and see if it shows your new one
[17:34] <boiko> Laney: let me see
[17:35] <Laney> umm, http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-system-settings-trusty-armhf-ci/87/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip is 404
[17:35] <Laney> so I guess you can't have installed that :P
[17:35] <boiko> Laney: yeah, I built that manually
[17:36] <boiko> Laney: it points to the correct file
[17:36] <Laney> hmm!
[17:37] <boiko> Laney: if I kill telephony-service and restart it, it gets the correct ringtone
[17:38] <boiko> Laney: but if I change things on-the-fly, it doesn't
[17:38] <Laney> it's supposed to receive a change signal
[17:38] <Laney> that bit must be busted
[17:38] <boiko> Laney: yep, I see that in the code, not sure why it is not working
[17:38] <boiko> Laney: did you reproduce the problem there?
[17:39] <Laney> not yet, I don't have the right system-settings installed atm
[17:41] <boiko> Laney: ah ok,
[17:41] <Laney> well, it'd be good if I could figure out how to do it with gdbus call
[17:41]  * Laney fails at being able to specify variants there
[17:44] <Laney> ah, got it
[17:44] <Laney> boiko: yes indeed, it happens here
[17:45] <boiko> Laney: ok, nice it is not just me :)
[17:45] <Laney> i'll look into it
[17:46] <boiko> Laney: nice! thanks
[17:50] <Laney> boiko: For my reference, how can I run telephony-service in the foreground to get debugging out of this code?
[17:50] <boiko> Laney: well, it is just running telephony-service-approver by hand on a terminal
[17:50] <Laney> okay
[17:50] <boiko> Laney: it doesn't have much debug print though
[17:51] <Laney> I guess I'll be adding some
[18:21] <om26er> is mako image broken ?
[18:21] <om26er> I see phone signals but no calls since yesterday
[18:22] <kenvandine> woot!
[18:22] <kenvandine> tedg, i got multiple instance management working in the hub
[18:22] <popey> om26er: works for me
[18:22] <popey> om26er: both directions
[18:23] <popey> om26er: sms too
[18:24] <om26er> popey, i wonder its something to do with my sim
[18:45] <seb128> does anyone know offhand how to switch the channel from a touch install from trusty to trusty-proposed?
[18:45] <seb128> ogra_, ^? ;-)
[18:46] <ogra_> system-image-cli --channel trusty-proposed -b 0
[18:46] <seb128> ogra_, is that going to download or anything for me, or just change the channel?
[18:47]  * seb128 tries
[18:47] <ogra_> it will flash a new image
[18:47] <seb128> no no no
[18:47] <ogra_> (it has to, you cant just switch channels)
[18:47] <seb128> not what I want ;-)
[18:48] <seb128> shrug
[18:48] <ogra_> well, the only option to switch
[18:48] <seb128> I guess I'm just going to wait for the next image promotion then
[18:48] <seb128> didrocks, when is that happening? ;-)
[18:49] <didrocks> seb128: I think you have to ask ricmm :p
[18:49] <seb128> shrug
[18:49] <ogra_> once it works
[18:49] <seb128> didrocks, ogra_: I'm going to land the system update setting refactoring without actual device testing I think then
[18:49]  * seb128 crosses fingers that works without issues
[18:49] <seb128> I need an update to test that the update still works
[18:50] <seb128> but seems like that's not happening any time soon
[18:50] <didrocks> seb128: we can create an image in the proposed channel if you need one
[18:50] <ogra_> seb128, that will make many people really really angry if it breaks
[18:50] <didrocks> (or you can flash an older channel)
[18:50] <seb128> ogra_, well, give me a way to test then?
[18:50] <didrocks> older revision*
[18:50] <seb128> so I need to redo the whole circle to change from trusty to trusty-proposed?
[18:51] <seb128> how do we migrate users from e.g saucy to trusty?
[18:51] <seb128> we ask them to reset their device?
[18:51] <didrocks> seb128: hum, you don't need to do that
[18:51] <didrocks> you can flash trusty-proposed with rev -2
[18:51] <seb128> didrocks, I was hopping to not have to download a full image again
[18:51] <didrocks> and then, you should get an update
[18:52] <seb128> it feels weird to me that I can update for e.g image 41 to 43 while 43 is in proposed
[18:52] <seb128> but I could do the same update with the same images once the image is promoted
[18:52] <seb128> *can't*
[18:52] <seb128> we only generate the diff when the image is flagged?
[18:53] <seb128> stgraber, ^
[18:53] <didrocks> normally, for every images from what I know
[19:01] <seb128> ogra_, editing /etc/system-image/channel.ini to change the channel seems to be enough...
[19:30] <Saviq> is emulator supported on nvidia drivers these days?
[19:59] <tedg> kenvandine, Sweet, did you see I put that up for review last night?
[19:59] <kenvandine> yup
[19:59] <tedg> kenvandine, Has observers and all that jazz.
[20:00] <kenvandine> cool
[20:00] <kenvandine> bfiller_afk, do you have a branch of gallery-app that builds a click?
[20:01] <bfiller> kenvandine: yes, one sec
[20:02] <bfiller> kenvandine: https://code.launchpad.net/~bfiller/gallery-app/click-support/+merge/201238
[20:22] <kenvandine> bfiller, woot... my branch works with your gallery click
[20:22] <bfiller> kenvandine: nice!
[20:22] <kenvandine> this all blocks on tedg's ual branch landing :)
[20:23] <cwayne> BIBS
[20:23] <bfiller> tedg: land that please :)
[20:23] <kenvandine> bfiller, are you waiting for anything else for that?
[20:23] <kenvandine> i saw a comment about the camera as click needs to land too
[20:23] <bfiller> kenvandine: yup that too
[20:23] <kenvandine> is that ready?
[20:24] <tedg> kenvandine, The whole untrusted-helper thing or just the triplet API?
[20:24] <kenvandine> and anything else?
[20:24] <kenvandine> tedg, both
[20:24] <tedg> Ah, we'll need a silo!
[20:24] <tedg> :-)
[20:24] <bfiller> kenvandine: although camera doesn't use content-hub so it's not blocked on the ual thing
[20:24] <kenvandine> yeah, but it blocks gallery
[20:24] <bfiller> yup
[20:25] <kenvandine> bfiller, i also want to go through my code a bit more before i propose it
[20:25] <kenvandine> i rewrote quite a bit of stuff
[20:25] <bfiller> kenvandine: sure
[20:25] <kenvandine> multiple times :)
[20:26] <kenvandine> but now with the untrusted-helpers branch of ual... i can do this sanely
[20:27]  * kenvandine goes for lunch
[20:35] <bfiller> kenvandine: so for the new landing process each component needs a test plan to be run before releasing, I started it for content-hub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/content-hub
[20:35] <bfiller> kenvandine: please update as you see fit
[20:42] <cwayne> stgraber, ping
[21:15] <NewInformator> Info about IRC at http://p.pw/DLV
[21:20] <FuLgOrE> could somebody please show me what is in '/persist/wifi/.macaddr' because the path /persist doesn't exist on my N5
[21:24] <Tassadar> FuLgOrE: partition /dev/mmcblk0p16 is supposed to be mounted there. It is mounted inside of the Android container, but not in Ubuntu's root
[21:24] <Tassadar> by the way, are you using some kind of multiboot or not?
[21:24] <FuLgOrE> no, I just have ubuntu installed
[21:26] <Tassadar> good, it's a bug then, rsalveti already knows about it
[21:26] <Tassadar> on completely unrelated note, can you get send me dmesg from ubuntu touch? I'm trying to find out if some bug is present only in my multiboot thingy or if it is normal installation too (and report that bug if that's the case)
[21:30] <FuLgOrE> Tassadar: I tried to send you my dmesg
[21:30] <FuLgOrE> another try?
[21:31] <Tassadar> yeah, I didn't have those ports enabled in my firewall, I think
[21:31] <FuLgOrE> do you still have the mails from mailing-list?
[21:31] <FuLgOrE> I put my files inside there
[21:32] <pmcgowan> robru, I can reproduce that accounts thing, I just close it in running apps in the dash and it will never reopen
[21:32] <pmcgowan> robru, but thats a day one bug afaik
[21:32] <Tassadar> FuLgOrE: I'm not subscribed to that mailing list, maybe I should be)
[21:34] <Tassadar> FuLgOrE: try to send them over IRC again, I'm curious if it'll work now
[21:34] <FuLgOrE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6834376/
[21:34] <FuLgOrE> try that one
[21:35] <FuLgOrE> should be easier
[21:35] <Tassadar> yeah)
[21:35] <Tassadar> thanks
[21:36] <Tassadar> yeah, the same problem, theres like 30s freeze between 3 and 33 seconds since boot
[21:36] <pmcgowan> robru, updated the bug, pretty sure thats what davmor2 was doing
[21:36] <FuLgOrE> booting takes long
[21:36] <FuLgOrE> time
[21:36] <robru> pmcgowan, the online accounts delay?
[21:37] <pmcgowan> robru, not being able to open it again
[21:37] <pmcgowan> not sure why it seems to get slower
[21:37] <robru> pmcgowan, bah, do you have teh bug link?
[21:37] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/1273781
[21:37] <robru> pmcgowan, thanks
[21:38] <pmcgowan> robru, I think its a bug for mardy, I pinged him with an email
[21:38] <pmcgowan> he needs to rework that into a plugin
[21:38] <pmcgowan> or something
[21:38] <Tassadar> FuLgOrE: yeah, that's the reason - it just stops and does nothing for 30s
[21:38] <robru> pmcgowan, dunno. i'll try reflashing 150 to see if i can reproduce it
[21:38] <pmcgowan> robru, I really think its always been like that
[21:39] <pmcgowan> I complained some months back it worked differently
[21:39] <kaimast> is there any documentation on GVariant in python? cannot find that much about it :/
[21:45] <robru> pmcgowan, oh i see, if I specifically long-press-close the online accounts app, then settings app can't launch it again. true.
[21:45] <robru> just pressing back and launching it again is fine though
[21:48] <popey> pmcgowan: i saw the online-accounts bug today too
[21:48] <popey> was with davmor2 when he filed it, we saw it on mako and maguro
[21:49] <pmcgowan> popey, I was saying I do not think its new
[21:50] <robru> popey, do you have to long-press-close to trigger it? or are you seeing it just by hitting back within settings?
[21:50] <popey> i didnt long prese close
[21:50] <popey> just settings -> online accounts, then swipe launcher out to open something else
[21:50] <popey> then go back to system settings, can't get to online accounts
[21:51] <popey> seems online accounts appears as a second app in addition to settings
[21:51] <pmcgowan> that scenario works for me
[21:51] <pmcgowan> popey, thats the real issue
[21:51] <popey> yeah
[21:52] <pmcgowan> popey, it runs as a new app, not part of settings
[21:52] <pmcgowan> but it always has
[21:52] <pmcgowan> and needs to get fixed
[21:52] <popey> i only recently noticed it, and davmor2 reminded me of it today
[21:52] <popey> i dont use online accounts frequently
[21:52] <pmcgowan> yep, but not a regression
[21:52] <popey> right
[21:53] <popey> sure, not arguing it is. ☻
[21:53] <pmcgowan> popey, I mean it should not block promoting an image
[21:53] <popey> agree
[21:54] <pmcgowan> I asked mardy and seb about it, will see if its already planned which I suspect
[21:54] <robru> popey, ok, just reproduced with image 148
[21:57] <FuLgOrE> Tassadar: you told me, that /dev/mmcblk0p16 should be mounted on /persist. do you have that in your fstab? I only have 5 entries there. /, /system, swap, /data and /vendor
[21:58] <Tassadar> no, it's not there - it is a bug
[21:58] <Tassadar> you can try to add it
[21:58] <FuLgOrE> I will :)
[22:05] <Tassadar> FuLgOrE: if you know how to change kernel command line in boot.img, you can also speed up the boot - replace "console=ttyHS0something" with "console=tty0"
[22:08] <FuLgOrE> I don't know how that works. Is it important or does it only fix the 30s delay?
[22:08] <Tassadar> it just fixes that delay
[22:08] <FuLgOrE> ok, than I wait with that :)
[22:11] <FuLgOrE> at first I try to get my wlan-device stable :)
[22:12] <FuLgOrE> Tassadar: I guess the 30s bug will be fixed sooner or later, right?
[22:12] <Tassadar> I'll try to get it fixed, I'd write to the mailing list, but I wasn't subscribed at the time that "call for testing" message was sent
[22:14] <FuLgOrE> I found another two little problems on my N5. the terminal app is just a white screen and the welcome-screen don't show information (function is switched on in settings)
[22:15] <Tassadar> you mean the circle on the "lockscreen"?
[22:15] <Tassadar> I don't think that's implemented yet
[22:15] <FuLgOrE> right
[22:16] <FuLgOrE> hmm, I still get new wifi devices after rebooting... could you please show me what you have in /persist/wifi/.macaddr? I just see freaky signs inside...
[22:16] <FuLgOrE> ����%�
[22:16] <Tassadar> it's probably the mac address in some binary format
[22:17] <Tassadar> it may be mounted after the driver tries to read it, do you still have messages about it missing in your dmesg?
[22:17] <FuLgOrE> I didn't check it. I will do that now
[22:20] <FuLgOrE> [    1.798620] bcm_wifi_get_mac_addr: Failed to get information from file /persist/wifi/.macaddr (-2)
[22:20] <FuLgOrE> but it exists
[22:20] <FuLgOrE> maybe mounted to late?
[22:21] <Tassadar> yeah
[22:21] <FuLgOrE> my dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6834616/
[22:23] <Tassadar> it fails the first time, but the second time it get's the address (search for "wifi_get_mac_addr")
[22:25] <FuLgOrE> do you also use a N5?
[22:26] <Tassadar> yes
[22:27] <FuLgOrE> each time I reboot I get a new wlanX with a new mac address
[22:27] <Tassadar> yeah, me too
[22:28] <FuLgOrE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6834632/
[22:28] <FuLgOrE> this is my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persisent-net.rules
[22:34] <FuLgOrE> Tassadar: how is your terminal app working on N5? Also just a white screen?
[22:35] <FuLgOrE> I also saw something else strange: when the battery is fully charged and the charger is still plugged, I see the symbol of an empty battery
[22:35] <Tassadar> that battery thing happens to me too
[22:35] <Tassadar> I'll check the terminal, let me reboot to ubuntu touch
[22:37] <Tassadar> terminal works for me
[22:37] <Tassadar> it takes a while until it shows though, like 3-4s
[22:37] <Tassadar> (and I'm using MIR)
[22:37] <FuLgOrE> oh, really?
[22:38] <FuLgOrE> I will try that, too :)
[22:45] <FuLgOrE> I touched the /home/hablet.display-mir and rebooted. it works
[22:45] <FuLgOrE> do you know how to check if it is really working?
[22:46] <Tassadar> pidof surfaceflinger
[22:46] <Tassadar> if it doesn't return anything, then it's running mir
[22:46] <FuLgOrE> ok, thanks. it doesn't return anything
[22:47] <FuLgOrE> I didn't try mir until now because I thought it don't works
[22:49] <FuLgOrE> some hours before I made some updates via apt-get. now the symbols are bigger and locking more nice
[22:49] <Tassadar> yeah, the DPI is set correctly now
[22:50] <FuLgOrE> with mir, the terminal app is working now
[22:54] <cwayne> yeah, no more shenanigans side-stage either :)
[23:08] <new> hi
[23:11] <ubuntu> hi
[23:11] <ubuntu> some there?
[23:12] <tablet> hi
[23:13] <tablet> is someone there?
[23:13] <FuLgOrE> yes
[23:14] <tablet> is there already an new release date for ubuntu touch?
[23:15] <FuLgOrE> I would guess someday in april
[23:16] <tablet> Thats what I read lately
[23:17] <genii> tablet: The current plan as far as I am aware, is to follow the main Trusty release schedule. So that would put it on ( traditionally) last Thursday of April
[23:17] <tablet> So do you know what devices will be supported
[23:17] <genii> Or the third Thurs
[23:18] <tablet> thanks
[23:19] <spkay31[A]> Tablet - you should look at the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices to determine what is likely to be in the release
[23:19] <genii> !schedule
[23:19]  * genii smacks ubot5
[23:19] <spkay31[A]> stupid bots
[23:20] <tablet> greate this helps
[23:20] <spkay31[A]> NP
[23:21] <tablet> so have a nice day
[23:21] <tablet> bye
[23:21] <phunyguy> ubot5: hi
[23:21] <genii> A schedule of Trusty Tahr (14.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[23:22] <spkay31[A]> quiet down ubot5
[23:22] <genii> ubot5: !schedule is <reply> A schedule of Trusty Tahr (14.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseSchedule
[23:29] <harris> I want ubuntu touch pn nexus 7 2013
[23:30] <genii> The bot should be synced now, hopefully
[23:30] <genii> !schedule
[23:30]  * genii slides tsimpson a coffee
[23:30] <spkay31> chop_liver see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices - Nexus 7 is there already
[23:31] <chop_liver> That is the 2012 model
[23:32] <spkay31> What's different in N7 2013? I think it is very similar to LG G2?
[23:32] <softcoder> its asus
[23:32] <softcoder> different hardware
[23:32] <Harris> There is a back camera
[23:33] <Harris> 3 speakerz instead of 1
[23:33] <spkay31> what CPU
[23:33] <Tassadar> it's just 7 inches big Nexus 4
[23:33] <softcoder> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_16gb_2013
[23:33] <softcoder> CPU
[23:33] <softcoder> Quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon™ S4 Pro, 1.5GHz
[23:34] <spkay31> oh, so basically form factor changes
[23:34] <softcoder> wireless is newer i think also
[23:34] <Harris> Spkay when is it coming
[23:34] <softcoder> Wireless
[23:34] <spkay31> I want LG G2 VS980, also G Pad 8.3 would be nice
[23:34] <softcoder> Dual-band Wi-Fi (2.4GHz/5GHz) 802.11 a/b/g/n
[23:35] <spkay31> I'm a newb here bro, just starting to get familiar enough to try builds for my LG G2 and G Pad 8.3
[23:57] <spkay31> So was Harris volunteering to port UT to N7 2013 :-d