[00:13] diddledan: yeah it's becoming a bit crazy the whole sex scandal stuff, don't know whether it's legit or what [00:14] though a mates uncle apparently said something about such things being a lot more acceptable back in the day :S [00:14] whatever that means [00:37] daftykins: sorta like "back in my day you could fiddle with whoever you liked"? [00:38] I think rather than it being acceptable it was more not known and/or swept under the carpet and placed behind closed doors [00:42] could well be [00:43] i'm a bit torn though 'cause you've got the likes of Rolf Harris as a national treasure that will likely never work again, regardless of which way the court ruling goes [00:43] yeah [00:44] I really don't want the stories of Rolf to be true [00:47] but obviously justice should be served =/ [00:47] indeed [00:48] though i'm not sure anyone really gets any result from seeing someone locked up so many years down the line [00:49] the only benefit I see from doing so is if there's a chance they'll reoffend [00:49] yeah [00:49] seems a bit late given most have had so many years to do whatever [00:58] anyone know if it'd cause any problems to wire the usb power rails together on a Pi? (ie, from the two usbhost ports to the power microusb) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:24] shauno: check the schematic - the usb rails are all connected together anyway iirc, except that there's the polyfuse on one of them [01:24] so basically all you'd be doing is removing the polyfuse from the circuit [01:26] fair enough. I jsut recall getting odd looks when I had the previous revision backfed (powering the usbhost sockets powered the board; I'm not sure if this is still the case) [01:27] i'm pretty sure that hasn't changed, but removing the polyfuse is risky of course [01:51] shauno: maybe you had the big monkey with you at the time? :> [01:52] "here's my incredibly small r-pi and here's my incredibly large monkey!" [01:54] :( don't judge me, I like my monkey [01:55] I think that one was a happy accident; I used one of the Y cables from a harddrive to power a 3g modem, and discovered that unplugging the pi didn't reboot it [01:58] oh no i'm supporting you and your monkey, sir [07:07] yo [07:07] * mapps is excited about ibiza [07:30] mapps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXXRHpVed3M ? [07:32] need [07:32] for smoke [07:33] :D [07:36] morning everyone [07:39] \o knightwise [07:43] jeu MartijnVdS !è [07:46] knightwise: that's not a word ;) [07:46] "!è"? [08:03] * popey waves from that london [08:04] o/ popey [08:04] that is bright and early to be in the city [08:04] indeed [08:27] it is now :) [08:28] hey popey AlanBell [08:28] morning all [08:40] Good morning all; happy Data Privacy Day! :-D [08:41] \o/ [08:41] what a nice day [08:41] Morning all [08:42] * popey can hear davmor2 [08:51] hey [08:51] hi popey [08:51] popey, youre in farnbirough? [08:52] im quite close to where you are i think :) [08:52] Bisley [08:53] hrm, anyone know any standalone *desktop* (not a php/cloud solution) lead management tools? (like pipedrive.com, but standalone, desktop client) [09:08] jussi: desktop CRM? Why?! [09:08] Morning all [09:09] jussi: "installed on own server" close enough? AlanBell in that case :) [09:10] MartijnVdS: I need something personally. not for sharing with anyone else, that runs stand alone here on My PC. [09:11] hey popey fancy meeting you here :) [09:11] jussi: Yeah, so you run it on your own PC, listening only on 127.0.0.1 [09:11] MartijnVdS: openerp doesnt seem to cut it at the moment - it doesnt have a proper sales process for anything apart from tangible goods. [09:12] morning [09:12] oh wait, I can install more modules, lemme play more... [09:12] gooing on Ibiza MartijnVdS :D [09:13] mapps: no, I'm in London ☻ [09:14] MartijnVdS: hrm, actually that might be an interesting Idea, install openerp locally... [09:15] ah [09:15] i tought you were near me popey [09:15] im from Biskey [09:15] i am [09:15] I live in farnborough [09:15] ☻ [09:15] yea [09:15] i know bisley a bit [09:15] you know bisley then [09:15] yea [09:16] and pirbright [09:17] ha biskey? [09:17] Bisley;p [09:17] surrey's nice popey [09:17] i domt live there anmore anyway [09:19] friend of mine lived in arethusa way [09:19] actually, first date with wifey, we went to the pub at the end of bisley, near brookwood [09:20] popey, thats real cose tpo where i am [09:20] heh [09:20] bis;leys nice like no? [09:20] i wish i still lived there:D [09:21] its where my dad lives [09:21] yeah, nice area [09:23] bisley pellets [09:23] forever burned into my eyes [09:23] Good morning peeps :) [09:23] (not literally) [09:23] (that would be painful) [09:24] Would it? Are there nerve endings in the eyeball? [09:24] The front bit that is [09:25] ever poked yourself in the eye? [09:26] Yes, but that's pushing the whole ball back into the socket. I'm wondering if you'd feel anything if the lens was damaged [09:26] clear [09:27] bigcalm: have you ever had a branch (of a tree) hit you in the eye? [09:28] bigcalm: that's painful and teary for a week at least [09:28] you guys are grim [09:28] Im pretty sure there are - how else do you feel a peice of dust in your eye? [09:28] * bigcalm keeps quiet [09:28] davmor2: options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 [09:29] my problems with intel 6230 wifi were made better by disabling powersaving [09:32] popey: ta I'll try it and and report back :D [09:34] davmor2: you're up early [09:34] bigcalm: in London I've been up since 0400 [09:35] davmor2: ah, it's a Calonical day [09:36] colonical? [09:38] It's a running joke from our LUG [09:38] Colonical? [09:40] note to self. its not cex.com, its cex.co.uk for the electronic exchange store [09:40] bigcalm: remind me to hurt you when I see you next :D [09:41] \o/ [09:43] Are there any offline roadmap/navigation apps people would recommend for android, starting to try a couple out, wondered if there are any really good ones to try [09:46] the tomtom one? [09:46] The two that seem to get really good comments are Sygic and MapFactor [09:48] Tomtom one seems to have pretty poor reviews [10:02] DJones: google maps 'offline' maps aren't available? [10:02] Myrtti: No as far as I know, that facility was removed a while back [10:03] well android still kinda has it, but it's not available everywhere [10:03] DJones: this appears to be a list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android [10:03] many of the apps mention offline [10:03] You can get a small area if you download it beforehand, but doesn't have full details from what I've read [10:05] Just downloading Mapfactor to compare to Sygic [10:19] good morning boys and girls. [10:22] morning brobostigon [10:22] morning SuperMatt [10:25] foobarry: the .com is blocked by opendns' malware detector [10:35] Is there an easy way to awk/sed/grep (I don't know what) the current tag for a git repo? [10:36] bigcalm: my propmt does it, so probably :) [10:36] MartijnVdS: mine too, good point [10:37] export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w\[\033[31m\]$(__git_ps1 "(%s)") \[\033[01;34m\]$\[\033[00m\] ' [10:37] * bigcalm scratches his head [10:37] __git_ps1 is defined in /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt [10:37] Oh [10:38] maybe "git describe" is what you want? [10:39] This is for an automated deploy script. Need to create remote directories based upon the tag [10:39] bigcalm: have a look at "git describe" [10:39] it does tag + sha [10:40] $ git describe [10:40] fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything. [10:40] I'm guessing I need to tag before it'll work? [10:40] probably [10:41] maybe add some options.. --help ;) [10:41] No, I expect other people to do my work for me! :P [10:41] bigcalm: well, look at stackexchange then ;) [10:42] Hehe, some people are rather lazy on there [10:42] I hope I'm not being hypocritical now [10:44] bigcalm: what do you actually want to do? [10:44] This is for an automated deploy script. Need to create remote directories based upon the tag [10:44] ok. yeah, git describe is almost certainly what you want [10:44] Grand :) [10:45] by default it does --- [10:45] so it's always unique to where you are in history [10:46] Aha [10:47] see also git archive [10:50] aquarius: found the holy grail of printers yet? [10:50] no. [10:51] It's not even *for* me [10:51] my dad has two printers, a cheap laser and an inkjet, and is sick to the back teeth of both of them not working [10:51] hence him asking me for advice, and me asking you lot :) [10:51] I'm happy with the Lexmark laser printer I have. I understand that other people have problems with devices though... [10:54] we've got a HP M175NW [10:54] it works fine. cheap printer but the toner is expensive, but that's not a problem if you don't print very much [10:54] the demo cartridges have lasted a year already [10:55] aquarius: I have an HP CP1515n, had it for several years, haven't replaced the demo carts yet [10:55] Also, it works very well (no malfunctions yet) [10:57] so, "works fine" and "no malfunctions" means that you never get the thing where you send a page to print and nothing happens, or the computer can't see the printer, or the printer won't print and needs to be power-cycled, or...? [10:57] they are both network printers [10:57] you just go "file > print" in some app and it prints, every time? [10:57] sure [10:57] blimey. [10:57] (on linux) [10:57] aquarius: the only times it didn't print, was when I broke cups [10:57] windows printing is totally random, doesn't matter what printer you have [10:58] ooh, man, that HP M175NW is two hundred quid. [10:58] that's cheap? [10:58] it was £99 on argos last year [10:58] also it's a scanner and copier [10:58] isn't that the one popey has as well? [10:58] avoid printers unless there really isn't any alternative [10:58] don't think so [10:58] bashrc, there isn't. I made that argument and was rebuffed. [10:59] in my experience, printers are always trouble - even if you buy the most fancy expensive machinery [10:59] bashrc, I agree wholeheartedly with that assessment. However, no choice here, hence looking for recommendations for the least worst. [11:00] i generally find network printers work best, as they're not relyng so much on the OS [11:00] network is a good idea. My laser is networked. [11:00] I assume network printers have wifi these days? [11:00] the 175 does [11:00] and ipv6 too [11:00] yes, a network printer might reduce any compatibility problems [11:01] and it comes configured to serve up a public access point into your network [11:01] which is not so good [11:01] that is the printer I have [11:01] this one has wired and wifi [11:01] yeah. i'm using it wired [11:01] didn't notice it was also letting the general public onto our network [11:01] mostly wifey uses it. I don't use it much [11:01] on nice [11:02] I mostly don't care about the public access point thing. :) [11:02] oh, it's aquarius [11:02] and I can probably turn that off, anyway [11:02] heya directhex [11:02] you can, i have :) [11:02] popey, you've got the M175NW? [11:02] * aquarius looks at wifi HP laser printers. [11:03] you can make it just join your existing network too of course [11:04] ali12341, which is exactly what I shall do [11:04] I suspect I'll need to connect it with usb first to get at a config util to set the wpa key, or something. [11:04] nope [11:04] i've never plugged it in on USB [11:05] ali12341, how did you teach it the wpa key? [11:05] i didn't - i use it wired [11:05] but you can configure it over the network, so either get a ethernet cable or join it's default public wifi [11:05] aquarius: ya [11:05] oh, sneaky [11:05] USB requires installing the silly drivers [11:06] 200GB drivers, probably, on Windows? [11:06] yeah, I'll just make it be wired for five minutes. [11:06] MartijnVdS: yeah, exactly [11:06] hplip supports it, so dad'll be fine [11:06] i thinky ou still need the drivers to print from windows [11:06] its not a fast printer [11:06] i haven't printed to it from linux yet [11:07] it works perfectly with ubuntu [11:07] Does it offer airprint? - found this to be a requirement by my mother for their new printers [11:07] nice [11:07] it's not fast but that's not a problem unless you are self publishing your novel or something [11:07] well, wifey wants to print lots of school work [11:07] but yeah, mostly thats fire and forget [11:08] it's also not eaxctly slow compared with say, any inkjet [11:08] also, you can touch the paper later on without it streaking [11:09] I wonder if you can sensibly get a dot matrix printer shared via CUPS. [11:09] don't care about print speed, as long as it's not taking half an hour per page or something :) [11:10] it's mostly warm up/warm down [11:10] printing 10 pages only takes slightly longer than printing 1 page [11:10] bigcalm, don't need airprint -- parents are both Android phones, and I honestly can't imagine for the life of me them ever printing anything from phone anyway ;) [11:10] ali12341, yeah, that's how most stuff works in my experience [11:12] i dont find that's the case with what I print [11:12] takes an age to print complex pdf things [11:12] if i print a 10 page doc, it takes as long for each page, sometimes a minute [11:13] ...huh. Apparently you _can_ print to a dot matrix printer using CUPS, which means you could share one over the network. Learn something new every dya. [11:14] Dave2: Why not? [11:14] Dave2: We have probably 800+ dot matrixs with CUPS :/ [11:14] Over over customer base [11:14] I didn't expect CUPS and dot matrix support being relevant to have a huge overlap. [11:14] diplo: nice. [11:15] People still make printer paper? [11:15] diplo, eight hundred printers. That's terrifying. [11:15] Moved mainly to printer servers now, and slowly getting them to spend money on laser printers [11:15] I was going to ask where you got fanfold paper from these days too! [11:15] Paper is the easy part, the printers are extortionate and hard to get [11:15] aquarius: ebay ;) [11:15] TIL that rivers don't meander because the water on the outside of the bend travels faster than the water on the inside [11:16] it's actually because the outside bank does all the work of redirecting the centripetal force [11:16] ali12341: that's the effect, not the cause. [11:16] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/27/hello-ruby-kids-coding-book-kickstarter [11:16] \o/ [11:16] aquarius: we are a software/hardware company, we support the printers for 95% of our customers and they're skin flints when it comes to renewing hardward [11:16] Still have 1 customer running Redhat 7 [11:16] !! [11:16] MartijnVdS: it's not even true because of vortex flow, apparently [11:16] is it possible, to boot usb deviced using grub2, without bios usb boot support. ? [11:16] devices* [11:16] i was lied to in school, yet again [11:17] diplo, well... dot matrix printers were, in my experience, considerably more reliable than newer inkjet/laser printers in terms of actually printing rather than pretending to print, not lying about how much ink they have left, etc. [11:17] of course, they jammed and ate paper like it was going out of fashion, but you've gotta take the rough with the smooth. [11:18] I don't know, I'd take networked printers 100% over dot matrix now days from my experience [11:18] aquarius: that's because dot matrix printers accept one character at a time and print it immediately [11:18] yes, I bet there are still companies out there using dot matrix printers and fanfold paper [11:19] ali12341, yeah. [11:19] Much easier to maintain/fix/swap out [11:19] I agree that it's easier to make it work when it's simpler. :) [11:19] aquarius: http://r.ebay.com/PBCQXX [11:20] clearly the answer is.... a networked dot matrix printer! [11:20] kickstarter! [11:20] aquarius: Raspberry Pi + serial dot matrix printer + some glue [11:20] i've got a MPS-802 in the loft [11:21] actually I'm sure I've got a parallel jetdirect around here somewhere. [11:21] so old it's not even serial [11:21] jetdirect \o/ we have lots of those as well [11:21] Going back to git tags, looks like phing can do a lot for me anyway :) http://www.phing.info/docs/guide/stable/apcs23.html [11:21] Actually :( they're more of a PITA than dot matrix's [11:22] bigcalm: Get back off topic! [11:22] :P [11:22] Ha :P [11:26] Killed the convo. yay [11:27] a project builder written in PHP based on ant? are you completely insane?? [11:28] I love the hate PHP gets [11:28] i working on some php code right now [11:28] it's horrible [11:28] instead of functions, they wrote one function that takes a string param and has a huge switch inside it [11:29] ali12341: ouch [11:29] I'm sure you could do that in pretty much any language [11:29] 11:20:22 < aquarius> clearly the answer is.... a networked dot matrix printer! [11:29] then instead of using functions like doSomethingWithAUsefulName() they call hugeFunction("123") [11:29] hey, that was what started me off on this, wondering how easy it'd be to share via CUPS. And apparently you can. [11:29] and literally all the params are just numeric codes [11:29] (It'll even print non-character data. Very slowly.) [11:30] Laney: you run spotify on 14.04? crashy? [11:30] yes, no [11:30] bigcalm: but only a php developer would actually do it in production code [11:30] hm [11:30] Laney: when running do you have 2xspotify and 5xspotifyhelper processes? [11:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6831469/ [11:31] thus [11:31] laney@iota> pgrep -fc SpotifyHelper ~ [11:31] 9 [11:31] hm [11:31] trying to figure out which process to attach to in gdb [11:32] popey: spotify works for me in 14.04 [11:32] this huge function controls all the SQL queries in the entire website, so anywhere else in the code you don't see getArticles() or whatever. you see query("123") [11:32] popey: not crashed any more than in 12.04 - 13.10 for me [11:32] to add insult to injury, every case works by getting the entire table and then selecting rows inside php code [11:32] and some page views call it multiple times [11:33] spotify is very crashy on 13.10 for me [11:34] it used to be like that for me, but then it got fixed [11:34] I'd see deadlock messages when running it from the terminal [11:34] forget if that was 13.10 or trusty [11:35] Some times spotify will take control of the whole system. I fix that by pressing alt and typing exit [11:35] But this has happened for me since I 1st used Spotify in Unity [11:35] the new flash plugin has developed a nasty bug where it deadlocks the GPU. there's no recovering from that :/ [11:36] flash is the spawn of the devil [11:36] Installed: 1:0.9.4.183.g644e24e.428-1 [11:36] and thats the version of spotify you guys are on? [11:36] yup [11:37] * bigcalm gets his laptop [11:37] * popey deletes .config/spotify and starts fresh [11:38] 0.9.4.183.g644e24e0 [11:39] That's from Spotify's only Help -> About Spotify... [11:41] s/only/own [11:44] As much as I love my new laptop, I keep forgetting how heavy it is [11:47] Does anybody else get this: viewing a terminal with black background, lines of red and green text, brain wobbles as it keeps seeing the alternating colours in a 3d type way [11:47] I suck at describing things [11:47] no [11:47] yes [11:47] there's a reason for that [11:47] it involves different wavelengths [11:48] Viewing git diffs it happens all the time [11:49] oh i see [11:49] you could change the colours if it's really bad [11:49] i thought you meant you saw lineds [11:49] *lines [11:49] I could, it amuses me. I will if it ever stops me from reading :) [11:50] red/blue to make the effect "worse" [11:50] Nice [11:50] (because they are the most different wavelengths) [11:50] Of course, opposite ends of the visible light spectrum [11:51] apparently it's because of chromatic abberation, ie you can't quite focus on them both at the same time because of the different wavelengths [11:51] Green pops out while red sinks back [11:51] yeah. different focal length tricks your brain into thinking it is further away [11:52] presumably this would still happen even if you are colour blind [11:55] Coo, that's unexpected [11:56] new dr who costume looks like barney stintsons magician dad [11:56] hahaha [11:56] I just don't think it's different enough from the last two, tbh [11:57] different colours, to be sure, but it's still quite a stuffy look [11:57] I liked 9's look [11:58] they are going for jon pertwee look === JGJones_ is now known as JGJones === JGJones is now known as JGJones_ [11:59] you know a whovian by the fact that they say "9" rather than the actor name === JGJones_ is now known as JGJones [12:00] lol [12:01] SuperMatt: 9... as in 7 of 9 ? Thats a different series :) [12:01] where does the doctor that almost destroyed galifrey fit in the timeline? [12:01] diddledan: 8.5 [12:01] DJones: she was called 7 though [12:01] popey: All right, I mean Christopher Ecclestone [12:02] who I think is extremely underrated [12:02] SuperMatt: no e [12:02] bigcalm: Good call, looking at too many numbers [12:02] ah, I have been told [12:06] i'm with you on that one. eccleston is by far the best actor to play doctor who in colour [12:07] also as a northerner he's the closest they've ever got to casting a minority actor [12:08] ali12341: they have a Scot now [12:08] good point [12:08] i'm looking forward to the new series [12:08] ali12341: only 7 more months [12:09] 10 was a scot too? [12:10] shauno: yes, but he hid it [12:10] Did he hide it when they went to Tourchwood in Scotland? [12:11] (and 9 was a northerner lol) [12:15] my biggest problem with capaldi's apparent costume, is that it means that I now have to find & reattach the bottom button on my jacket, less people think I'm aping him intentionally [12:16] I've already noted that I have almost everything I need for a capaldi cosplay [12:16] just need the jacket really [12:20] SuperMatt: just rob shauno [12:21] :| please don't. it's cold [12:22] SuperMatt: just robe shauno [12:23] spotted in the news this morning that dutch courts have struck down the IP block of TPB. rather impressive [12:28] seems to boil down to "the blocks obviously don't work, so we shouldn't force companies to bark up the wrong tree". [12:33] shauno: yes :) \o/ [12:34] yay completely unfiltered internet again [12:34] anways, can grub2 boot off usb devices, without bios usb support? [12:35] brobostigon: no, because the BIOS can't boot into grub2 if it can't read grub2 off the USB device in the first place [12:36] what if grub is on something it can boot? eg grub on the hdd where you'd expect it, but with an option to loop boot an iso off a thumbdrive? [12:37] MartijnVdS: i see, ok. cant i just tell grub2 which is already on the hdd, and point it at the grub thats on the usb device? [12:37] Probably not, as grub doesn't have USB drivers [12:37] ok, [12:38] ohwell, [12:38] has anyone played with openvz enough to find out what might cause a guest mysql server to be unable to access it's files? I've just had a website go down where mysql reported that the tables didn't exist yet all the files were visible on the filesystem [12:39] I'm wondering if doing a live migration to a different server might cause it? [12:39] diddledan: shared memory, I think [12:39]