[00:13] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah it's becoming a bit crazy the whole sex scandal stuff, don't know whether it's legit or what
[00:14] <daftykins> though a mates uncle apparently said something about such things being a lot more acceptable back in the day :S
[00:14] <daftykins> whatever that means
[00:37] <diddledan> daftykins: sorta like <croaky old-man voice>"back in my day you could fiddle with whoever you liked"?</croaky>
[00:38] <diddledan> I think rather than it being acceptable it was more not known and/or swept under the carpet and placed behind closed doors
[00:42] <daftykins> could well be
[00:43] <daftykins> i'm a bit torn though 'cause you've got the likes of Rolf Harris as a national treasure that will likely never work again, regardless of which way the court ruling goes
[00:43] <diddledan> yeah
[00:44] <diddledan> I really don't want the stories of Rolf to be true
[00:47] <daftykins> but obviously justice should be served =/
[00:47] <diddledan> indeed
[00:48] <daftykins> though i'm not sure anyone really gets any result from seeing someone locked up so many years down the line
[00:49] <diddledan> the only benefit I see from doing so is if there's a chance they'll reoffend
[00:49] <daftykins> yeah
[00:49] <daftykins> seems a bit late given most have had so many years to do whatever
[00:58] <shauno> anyone know if it'd cause any problems to wire the usb power rails together on a Pi?  (ie, from the two usbhost ports to the power microusb)
[01:24] <ali12341> shauno: check the schematic - the usb rails are all connected together anyway iirc, except that there's the polyfuse on one of them
[01:24] <ali12341> so basically all you'd be doing is removing the polyfuse from the circuit
[01:26] <shauno> fair enough.  I jsut recall getting odd looks when I had the previous revision backfed  (powering the usbhost sockets powered the board; I'm not sure if this is still the case)
[01:27] <ali12341> i'm pretty sure that hasn't changed, but removing the polyfuse is risky of course
[01:51] <daftykins> shauno: maybe you had the big monkey with you at the time? :>
[01:52] <daftykins> "here's my incredibly small r-pi and here's my incredibly large monkey!"
[01:54] <shauno> :(  don't judge me, I like my monkey
[01:55] <shauno> I think that one was a happy accident; I used one of the Y cables from a harddrive to power a 3g modem, and discovered that unplugging the pi didn't reboot it
[01:58] <daftykins> oh no i'm supporting you and your monkey, sir
[07:07] <mapps> yo
[07:07]  * mapps is excited about ibiza
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> mapps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXXRHpVed3M ?
[07:32] <mapps> need
[07:32] <mapps> for smoke
[07:33] <mapps> :D
[07:36] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> \o knightwise
[07:43] <knightwise> jeu MartijnVdS !è
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: that's not a word ;)
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> "!è"?
[08:03]  * popey waves from that london
[08:04] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[08:04] <AlanBell> that is bright and early to be in the city
[08:04] <popey> indeed
[08:27] <knightwise> it is now :)
[08:28] <knightwise> hey popey AlanBell
[08:28] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Data Privacy Day! :-D
[08:41] <SuperMatt> \o/
[08:41] <SuperMatt> what a nice day
[08:41] <diplo> Morning all
[08:42]  * popey can hear davmor2 
[08:51] <mapps> hey
[08:51] <mapps> hi popey
[08:51] <mapps> popey, youre in farnbirough?
[08:52] <mapps> im quite close to where you are i think :)
[08:52] <mapps> Bisley
[08:53] <jussi> hrm, anyone know any standalone *desktop* (not a php/cloud solution) lead management tools? (like pipedrive.com, but standalone, desktop client)
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> jussi: desktop CRM? Why?!
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> jussi:  "installed on own server" close enough? AlanBell in that case :)
[09:10] <jussi> MartijnVdS: I need something personally. not for sharing with anyone else, that runs stand alone here on My PC.
[09:11] <davmor2> hey popey  fancy meeting you here :)
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> jussi: Yeah, so you run it on your own PC, listening only on 127.0.0.1
[09:11] <jussi> MartijnVdS: openerp doesnt seem to cut it at the moment - it doesnt have a proper sales process for anything apart from tangible goods.
[09:12] <mapps> morning
[09:12] <jussi> oh wait, I can install more modules, lemme play more...
[09:12] <mapps> gooing on Ibiza MartijnVdS  :D
[09:13] <popey> mapps: no, I'm in London ☻
[09:14] <jussi> MartijnVdS: hrm, actually that might be an interesting Idea, install openerp locally...
[09:15] <mapps> ah
[09:15] <mapps> i tought you were near me popey
[09:15] <mapps> im from Biskey
[09:15] <popey> i am
[09:15] <popey> I live in farnborough
[09:15] <popey> ☻
[09:15] <mapps> yea
[09:15] <popey> i know bisley a bit
[09:15] <mapps> you know bisley then
[09:15] <mapps> yea
[09:16] <mapps> and pirbright
[09:17] <ali12341> ha biskey?
[09:17] <mapps> Bisley;p
[09:17] <mapps> surrey's nice popey
[09:17] <mapps> i domt live there anmore anyway
[09:19] <popey> friend of mine lived in arethusa way
[09:19] <popey> actually, first date with wifey, we went to the pub at the end of bisley, near brookwood
[09:20] <mapps> popey,  thats real cose tpo where i am
[09:20] <mapps> heh
[09:20] <mapps> bis;leys nice like no?
[09:20] <mapps> i wish i still lived there:D
[09:21] <mapps> its where my dad lives
[09:21] <popey> yeah, nice area
[09:23] <Laney> bisley pellets
[09:23] <Laney> forever burned into my eyes
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:23] <Laney> (not literally)
[09:23] <Laney> (that would be painful)
[09:24] <bigcalm> Would it? Are there nerve endings in the eyeball?
[09:24] <bigcalm> The front bit that is
[09:25] <Laney> ever poked yourself in the eye?
[09:26] <bigcalm> Yes, but that's pushing the whole ball back into the socket. I'm wondering if you'd feel anything if the lens was damaged
[09:26] <foobarry> clear
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: have you ever had a branch (of a tree) hit you in the eye?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that's painful and teary for a week at least
[09:28] <foobarry> you guys are grim
[09:28] <jussi> Im pretty sure there are - how else do you feel a peice of dust in your eye?
[09:28]  * bigcalm keeps quiet
[09:28] <popey> davmor2: options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1
[09:29] <foobarry> my problems with intel 6230 wifi were made better by disabling powersaving
[09:32] <davmor2> popey: ta I'll try it and and report back :D
[09:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're up early
[09:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: in London I've been up since 0400
[09:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, it's a Calonical day
[09:36] <foobarry> colonical?
[09:38] <bigcalm> It's a running joke from our LUG
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> Colonical?
[09:40] <foobarry> note to self. its not cex.com, its cex.co.uk for the electronic exchange store
[09:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: remind me to hurt you when I see you next :D
[09:41] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:43] <DJones> Are there any offline roadmap/navigation apps people would recommend for android, starting to try a couple out, wondered if there are any really good ones to try
[09:46] <ali12341> the tomtom one?
[09:46] <DJones> The two that seem to get really good comments are Sygic and MapFactor
[09:48] <DJones> Tomtom one seems to have pretty poor reviews
[10:02] <Myrtti> DJones: google maps 'offline' maps aren't available?
[10:02] <DJones> Myrtti: No as far as I know, that facility was removed a while back
[10:03] <Myrtti> well android still kinda has it, but it's not available everywhere
[10:03] <dwatkins> DJones: this appears to be a list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android
[10:03] <dwatkins> many of the apps mention offline
[10:03] <DJones> You can get a small area if you download it beforehand, but doesn't have full details from what I've read
[10:05] <DJones> Just downloading Mapfactor to compare to Sygic
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[10:22] <SuperMatt> morning brobostigon
[10:22] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[10:25] <diddledan> foobarry: the .com is blocked by opendns' malware detector
[10:35] <bigcalm> Is there an easy way to awk/sed/grep (I don't know what) the current tag for a git repo?
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: my propmt does it, so probably :)
[10:36] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: mine too, good point
[10:37] <bigcalm> export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w\[\033[31m\]$(__git_ps1 "(%s)") \[\033[01;34m\]$\[\033[00m\] '
[10:37]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> __git_ps1 is defined in /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt
[10:37] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> maybe "git describe" is what you want?
[10:39] <bigcalm> This is for an automated deploy script. Need to create remote directories based upon the tag
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: have a look at "git describe"
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> it does tag + sha
[10:40] <bigcalm> $ git describe
[10:40] <bigcalm> fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything.
[10:40] <bigcalm> I'm guessing I need to tag before it'll work?
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> probably
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> maybe add some options.. --help ;)
[10:41] <bigcalm> No, I expect other people to do my work for me! :P
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: well, look at stackexchange then ;)
[10:42] <bigcalm> Hehe, some people are rather lazy on there
[10:42] <bigcalm> I hope I'm not being hypocritical now
[10:44] <ali12341> bigcalm: what do you actually want to do?
 This is for an automated deploy script. Need to create remote directories based upon the tag
[10:44] <ali12341> ok. yeah, git describe is almost certainly what you want
[10:44] <bigcalm> Grand :)
[10:45] <ali12341> by default it does <repo name>-<tag>-<number of commits since tag>-<commit sha>
[10:45] <ali12341> so it's always unique to where you are in history
[10:46] <bigcalm> Aha
[10:47] <ali12341> see also git archive
[10:50] <bigcalm> aquarius: found the holy grail of printers yet?
[10:50] <aquarius> no.
[10:51] <aquarius> It's not even *for* me
[10:51] <aquarius> my dad has two printers, a cheap laser and an inkjet, and is sick to the back teeth of both of them not working
[10:51] <aquarius> hence him asking me for advice, and me asking you lot :)
[10:51] <bigcalm> I'm happy with the Lexmark laser printer I have. I understand that other people have problems with devices though...
[10:54] <ali12341> we've got a HP M175NW
[10:54] <ali12341> it works fine. cheap printer but the toner is expensive, but that's not a problem if you don't print very much
[10:54] <ali12341> the demo cartridges have lasted a year already
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: I have an HP CP1515n, had it for several years, haven't replaced the demo carts yet
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> Also, it works very well (no malfunctions yet)
[10:57] <aquarius> so, "works fine" and "no malfunctions" means that you never get the thing where you send a page to print and nothing happens, or the computer can't see the printer, or the printer won't print and needs to be power-cycled, or...?
[10:57] <ali12341> they are both network printers
[10:57] <aquarius> you just go "file > print" in some app and it prints, every time?
[10:57] <ali12341> sure
[10:57] <aquarius> blimey.
[10:57] <ali12341> (on linux)
[10:57] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: the only times it didn't print, was when I broke cups
[10:57] <ali12341> windows printing is totally random, doesn't matter what printer you have
[10:58] <aquarius> ooh, man, that HP M175NW is two hundred quid.
[10:58] <aquarius> that's cheap?
[10:58] <ali12341> it was £99 on argos last year
[10:58] <ali12341> also it's a scanner and copier
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> isn't that the one popey has as well?
[10:58] <bashrc> avoid printers unless there really isn't any alternative
[10:58] <ali12341> don't think so
[10:58] <aquarius> bashrc, there isn't. I made that argument and was rebuffed.
[10:59] <bashrc> in my experience, printers are always trouble - even if you buy the most fancy expensive machinery
[10:59] <aquarius> bashrc, I agree wholeheartedly with that assessment. However, no choice here, hence looking for recommendations for the least worst.
[11:00] <ali12341> i generally find network printers work best, as they're not relyng so much on the OS
[11:00] <aquarius> network is a good idea. My laser is networked.
[11:00] <aquarius> I assume network printers have wifi these days?
[11:00] <ali12341> the 175 does
[11:00] <ali12341> and ipv6 too
[11:00] <bashrc> yes, a network printer might reduce any compatibility problems
[11:01] <ali12341> and it comes configured to serve up a public access point into your network
[11:01] <ali12341> which is not so good
[11:01] <popey> that is the printer I have
[11:01] <popey> this one has wired and wifi
[11:01] <ali12341> yeah. i'm using it wired
[11:01] <ali12341> didn't notice it was also letting the general public onto our network
[11:01] <popey> mostly wifey uses it. I don't use it much
[11:01] <popey> on nice
[11:02] <aquarius> I mostly don't care about the public access point thing. :)
[11:02] <directhex> oh, it's aquarius
[11:02] <aquarius> and I can probably turn that off, anyway
[11:02] <aquarius> heya directhex
[11:02] <ali12341> you can, i have :)
[11:02] <aquarius> popey, you've got the M175NW?
[11:02]  * aquarius looks at wifi HP laser printers.
[11:03] <ali12341> you can make it just join your existing network too of course
[11:04] <aquarius> ali12341, which is exactly what I shall do
[11:04] <aquarius> I suspect I'll need to connect it with usb first to get at a config util to set the wpa key, or something.
[11:04] <ali12341> nope
[11:04] <ali12341> i've never plugged it in on USB
[11:05] <aquarius> ali12341, how did you teach it the wpa key?
[11:05] <ali12341> i didn't - i use it wired
[11:05] <ali12341> but you can configure it over the network, so either get a ethernet cable or join it's default public wifi
[11:05] <popey> aquarius: ya
[11:05] <aquarius> oh, sneaky
[11:05] <ali12341> USB requires installing the silly drivers
[11:06] <MartijnVdS> 200GB drivers, probably, on Windows?
[11:06] <aquarius> yeah, I'll just make it be wired for five minutes.
[11:06] <ali12341> MartijnVdS: yeah, exactly
[11:06] <aquarius> hplip supports it, so dad'll be fine
[11:06] <ali12341> i thinky ou still need the drivers to print from windows
[11:06] <popey> its not a fast printer
[11:06] <popey> i haven't printed to it from linux yet
[11:07] <ali12341> it works perfectly with ubuntu
[11:07] <bigcalm> Does it offer airprint? - found this to be a requirement by my mother for their new printers
[11:07] <popey> nice
[11:07] <ali12341> it's not fast but that's not a problem unless you are self publishing your novel or something
[11:07] <popey> well, wifey wants to print lots of school work
[11:07] <popey> but yeah, mostly thats fire and forget
[11:08] <ali12341> it's also not eaxctly slow compared with say, any inkjet
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> also, you can touch the paper later on without it streaking
[11:09] <Dave2> I wonder if you can sensibly get a dot matrix printer shared via CUPS.
[11:09] <aquarius> don't care about print speed, as long as it's not taking half an hour per page or something :)
[11:10] <ali12341> it's mostly warm up/warm down
[11:10] <ali12341> printing 10 pages only takes slightly longer than printing 1 page
[11:10] <aquarius> bigcalm, don't need airprint -- parents are both Android phones, and I honestly can't imagine for the life of me them ever printing anything from phone anyway ;)
[11:10] <aquarius> ali12341, yeah, that's how most stuff works in my experience
[11:12] <popey> i dont find that's the case with what I print
[11:12] <popey> takes an age to print complex pdf things
[11:12] <popey> if i print a 10 page doc, it takes as long for each page, sometimes a minute
[11:13] <Dave2> ...huh. Apparently you _can_ print to a dot matrix printer using CUPS, which means you could share one over the network. Learn something new every dya.
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> Dave2: Why not?
[11:14] <diplo> Dave2: We have probably 800+ dot matrixs with CUPS :/
[11:14] <diplo> Over over customer base
[11:14] <Dave2> I didn't expect CUPS and dot matrix support being relevant to have a huge overlap.
[11:14] <Dave2> diplo: nice.
[11:15] <Dave2> People still make printer paper?
[11:15] <aquarius> diplo, eight hundred printers. That's terrifying.
[11:15] <diplo> Moved mainly to printer servers now, and slowly getting them to spend money on laser printers
[11:15] <aquarius> I was going to ask where you got fanfold paper from these days too!
[11:15] <diplo> Paper is the easy part, the printers are extortionate and hard to get
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: ebay ;)
[11:15] <ali12341> TIL that rivers don't meander because the water on the outside of the bend travels faster than the water on the inside
[11:16] <ali12341> it's actually because the outside bank does all the work of redirecting the centripetal force
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: that's the effect, not the cause.
[11:16] <Myrtti> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/27/hello-ruby-kids-coding-book-kickstarter
[11:16] <Myrtti> \o/
[11:16] <diplo> aquarius: we are a software/hardware company, we support the printers for 95% of our customers and they're skin flints when it comes to renewing hardward
[11:16] <diplo> Still have 1 customer running Redhat 7
[11:16] <diplo> !!
[11:16] <ali12341> MartijnVdS: it's not even true because of vortex flow, apparently
[11:16] <brobostigon> is it possible, to boot usb deviced using grub2, without bios usb boot support. ?
[11:16] <brobostigon> devices*
[11:16] <ali12341> i was lied to in school, yet again
[11:17] <aquarius> diplo, well... dot matrix printers were, in my experience, considerably more reliable than newer inkjet/laser printers in terms of actually printing rather than pretending to print, not lying about how much ink they have left, etc.
[11:17] <aquarius> of course, they jammed and ate paper like it was going out of fashion, but you've gotta take the rough with the smooth.
[11:18] <diplo> I don't know, I'd take networked printers 100% over dot matrix now days from my experience
[11:18] <ali12341> aquarius: that's because dot matrix printers accept one character at a time and print it immediately
[11:18] <bashrc> yes, I bet there are still companies out there using dot matrix printers and fanfold paper
[11:19] <aquarius> ali12341, yeah.
[11:19] <diplo> Much easier to maintain/fix/swap out
[11:19] <aquarius> I agree that it's easier to make it work when it's simpler. :)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: http://r.ebay.com/PBCQXX
[11:20] <aquarius> clearly the answer is.... a networked dot matrix printer!
[11:20] <aquarius> kickstarter!
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Raspberry Pi + serial dot matrix printer + some glue
[11:20] <ali12341> i've got a MPS-802 in the loft
[11:21] <aquarius> actually I'm sure I've got a parallel jetdirect around here somewhere.
[11:21] <ali12341> so old it's not even serial
[11:21] <diplo> jetdirect \o/ we have lots of those as well
[11:21] <bigcalm> Going back to git tags, looks like phing can do a lot for me anyway :) http://www.phing.info/docs/guide/stable/apcs23.html
[11:21] <diplo> Actually :( they're more of a PITA than dot matrix's
[11:22] <diplo> bigcalm: Get back off topic!
[11:22] <diplo> :P
[11:22] <bigcalm> Ha :P
[11:26] <bigcalm> Killed the convo. yay
[11:27] <ali12341> a project builder written in PHP based on ant? are you completely insane??
[11:28] <bigcalm> I love the hate PHP gets
[11:28] <ali12341> i working on some php code right now
[11:28] <ali12341> it's horrible
[11:28] <ali12341> instead of functions, they wrote one function that takes a string param and has a huge switch inside it
[11:29] <diddledan> ali12341: ouch
[11:29] <bigcalm> I'm sure you could do that in pretty much any language
[11:29] <Dave2> 11:20:22 <      aquarius> clearly the answer is.... a networked dot matrix printer!
[11:29] <ali12341> then instead of using functions like doSomethingWithAUsefulName() they call hugeFunction("123")
[11:29] <Dave2> hey, that was what started me off on this, wondering how easy it'd be to share via CUPS. And apparently you can.
[11:29] <ali12341> and literally all the params are just numeric codes
[11:29] <Dave2> (It'll even print non-character data. Very slowly.)
[11:30] <popey> Laney: you run spotify on 14.04? crashy?
[11:30] <Laney> yes, no
[11:30] <ali12341> bigcalm: but only a php developer would actually do it in production code
[11:30] <popey> hm
[11:30] <popey> Laney: when running do you have 2xspotify and 5xspotifyhelper processes?
[11:31] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6831469/
[11:31] <popey> thus
[11:31] <Laney> laney@iota> pgrep -fc SpotifyHelper                                                                                                        ~
[11:31] <Laney> 9
[11:31] <popey> hm
[11:31] <popey> trying to figure out which process to attach to in gdb
[11:32] <bigcalm> popey: spotify works for me in 14.04
[11:32] <ali12341> this huge function controls all the SQL queries in the entire website, so anywhere else in the code you don't see getArticles() or whatever. you see query("123")
[11:32] <bigcalm> popey: not crashed any more than in 12.04 - 13.10 for me
[11:32] <ali12341> to add insult to injury, every case works by getting the entire table and then selecting rows inside php code
[11:32] <ali12341> and some page views call it multiple times
[11:33] <ali12341> spotify is very crashy on 13.10 for me
[11:34] <Laney> it used to be like that for me, but then it got fixed
[11:34] <Laney> I'd see deadlock messages when running it from the terminal
[11:34] <Laney> forget if that was 13.10 or trusty
[11:35] <bigcalm> Some times spotify will take control of the whole system. I fix that by pressing alt and typing exit
[11:35] <bigcalm> But this has happened for me since I 1st used Spotify in Unity
[11:35] <ali12341> the new flash plugin has developed a nasty bug where it deadlocks the GPU. there's no recovering from that :/
[11:36] <bashrc> flash is the spawn of the devil
[11:36] <popey>   Installed: 1:0.9.4.183.g644e24e.428-1
[11:36] <popey> and thats the version of spotify you guys are on?
[11:36] <Laney> yup
[11:37]  * bigcalm gets his laptop
[11:37]  * popey deletes .config/spotify and starts fresh
[11:38] <bigcalm> 0.9.4.183.g644e24e0
[11:39] <bigcalm> That's from Spotify's only Help -> About Spotify...
[11:41] <bigcalm> s/only/own
[11:44] <bigcalm> As much as I love my new laptop, I keep forgetting how heavy it is
[11:47] <bigcalm> Does anybody else get this: viewing a terminal with black background, lines of red and green text, brain wobbles as it keeps seeing the alternating colours in a 3d type way
[11:47] <bigcalm> I suck at describing things
[11:47] <popey> no
[11:47] <ali12341> yes
[11:47] <ali12341> there's a reason for that
[11:47] <ali12341> it involves different wavelengths
[11:48] <bigcalm> Viewing git diffs it happens all the time
[11:49] <popey> oh i see
[11:49] <ali12341> you could change the colours if it's really bad
[11:49] <popey> i thought you meant you saw lineds
[11:49] <popey> *lines
[11:49] <bigcalm> I could, it amuses me. I will if it ever stops me from reading :)
[11:50] <ali12341> red/blue to make the effect "worse"
[11:50] <bigcalm> Nice
[11:50] <ali12341> (because they are the most different wavelengths)
[11:50] <bigcalm> Of course, opposite ends of the visible light spectrum
[11:51] <ali12341> apparently it's because of chromatic abberation, ie you can't quite focus on them both at the same time because of the different wavelengths
[11:51] <bigcalm> Green pops out while red sinks back
[11:51] <ali12341> yeah. different focal length tricks your brain into thinking it is further away
[11:52] <ali12341> presumably this would still happen even if you are colour blind
[11:55] <bigcalm> Coo, that's unexpected
[11:56] <foobarry> new dr who costume looks like barney stintsons magician dad
[11:56] <SuperMatt> hahaha
[11:56] <SuperMatt> I just don't think it's different enough from the last two, tbh
[11:57] <SuperMatt> different colours, to be sure, but it's still quite a stuffy look
[11:57] <SuperMatt> I liked 9's look
[11:58] <foobarry> they are going for jon pertwee look
[11:59] <popey> you know a whovian by the fact that they say "9" rather than the actor name
[12:00] <diddledan> lol
[12:01] <DJones> SuperMatt: 9... as in 7 of 9 ? Thats a different series :)
[12:01] <diddledan> where does the doctor that almost destroyed galifrey fit in the timeline?
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 8.5
[12:01] <bigcalm> DJones: she was called 7 though
[12:01] <SuperMatt> popey: All right, I mean Christopher Ecclestone
[12:02] <SuperMatt> who I think is extremely underrated
[12:02] <diddledan> SuperMatt: no e
[12:02] <DJones> bigcalm: Good call, looking at too many numbers
[12:02] <SuperMatt> ah, I have been told
[12:06] <ali12341> i'm with you on that one. eccleston is by far the best actor to play doctor who in colour
[12:07] <ali12341> also as a northerner he's the closest they've ever got to casting a minority actor
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: they have a Scot now
[12:08] <ali12341> good point
[12:08] <ali12341> i'm looking forward to the new series
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> ali12341: only 7 more months
[12:09] <shauno> 10 was a scot too?
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> shauno: yes, but he hid it
[12:10] <bigcalm> Did he hide it when they went to Tourchwood in Scotland?
[12:11] <shauno> (and 9 was a northerner  lol)
[12:15] <shauno> my biggest problem with capaldi's apparent costume, is that it means that I now have to find & reattach the bottom button on my jacket, less people think I'm aping him intentionally
[12:16] <SuperMatt> I've already noted that I have almost everything I need for a capaldi cosplay
[12:16] <SuperMatt> just need the jacket really
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: just rob shauno
[12:21] <shauno> :|  please don't.  it's cold
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: just robe shauno
[12:23] <shauno> spotted in the news this morning that dutch courts have struck down the IP block of TPB.  rather impressive
[12:28] <shauno> seems to boil down to "the blocks obviously don't work, so we shouldn't force companies to bark up the wrong tree".
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> shauno: yes :) \o/
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> yay completely unfiltered internet again
[12:34] <brobostigon> anways, can grub2 boot off usb devices, without bios usb support?
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: no, because the BIOS can't boot into grub2 if it can't read grub2 off the USB device in the first place
[12:36] <shauno> what if grub is on something it can boot?  eg grub on the hdd where you'd expect it, but with an option to loop boot an iso off a thumbdrive?
[12:37] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i see, ok. cant i just tell grub2 which is already on the hdd, and point it at the grub thats on the usb device?
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> Probably not, as grub doesn't have USB drivers
[12:37] <brobostigon> ok,
[12:38] <brobostigon> ohwell,
[12:38] <diddledan> has anyone played with openvz enough to find out what might cause a guest mysql server to be unable to access it's files? I've just had a website go down where mysql reported that the tables didn't exist yet all the files were visible on the filesystem
[12:39] <diddledan> I'm wondering if doing a live migration to a different server might cause it?
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: shared memory, I think
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: postgresql can't run in OVZ instances either
[12:39] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: ouch
[12:39] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I'm not telling the client they bought a duff vps :-p
[12:40] <diddledan> (they organised it and told us to put their site on there without asking us whether it's a good idea or anything. just unilaterally decided to buy a server and impose it upon us)
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: The Googles suggest it's an innodb+openvz thing
[12:41] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[12:46] <bigcalm> Can you check if two file names point to the same inode (hard links)?
[12:47] <diddledan> bigcalm: ls -i
[12:48] <shauno> I usually end up searching for them (assuming they're not in the same folder), find -samefile is your friend
[12:48] <diddledan> shauno: nie
[12:48] <diddledan> nice
[12:48] <bigcalm> Ta
[12:50] <shauno> (and -xdev to stop it bothering searching other filesystems, since that's not a possibility.  so find /path -xdev -samefile /as/this/file )
[12:51] <bigcalm> That does look handy
[12:51] <shauno> seems silly that that's not a default behaviour.  find will happily wander across mounts where the hardlink can't possibly be
[13:01]  * popey just learned that we're going to backport 3.13 to precise.
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: as part of the LTS enablement stack?
[13:02] <popey> ya
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> sounds logical, 12.04 still has a few years of support left, even after 14.04 comes out
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> I can imagine people want to run the same version everywhere
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> and not a mix of 12.04 and 14.04
[13:03] <popey> suspect 3.13 will be the last one
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, with newer LTS enablement (14.10 etc.) going into 14.04 only
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> "time to wake up and smell the upgrade" ;)
[13:04] <popey> ☻
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> also, 14.10 -- 10 years of Ubuntu
[13:04] <knightwise> morning
[13:04] <knightwise> 10 years ? has it been that long ?
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: 4.10 was the very first, warty warthog :)
[13:05]  * knightwise thinks that is where he started too
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: it's the one with the naked people backgrounds
[13:05] <knightwise> http://mobile.osnews.com/img/9097/ubuntu2.jpg
[13:05] <knightwise> Yep ! :) that was the one :)
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AnSn_cSIfE
[13:07] <Myrtti> I dug up a 5.10 disk yesterday when I was doing my "emptying and clearing one mess at a time before moving" strategy
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I found a 6.06 disk this weekend. Didn't try it :(
[13:08] <Myrtti> I ordered a massive box of 5.10's for a school project
[13:11] <Dave2> 6.06 the number of the ...drake
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> dapper!
[13:12] <popey> ignore anything davmor2 says now.
[13:12] <bigcalm> o.O
[13:12] <davmor2> popey: is apparently fantastic
[13:13] <bigcalm> A swapping of machines I guess
[13:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: no he broke his beloved fs
[13:14] <Myrtti> filesystem?
[13:14] <Myrtti> OH NO
[13:14] <Myrtti> has BTRFS FINALLY DISAPPOINTED POPEY?!?!?!
[13:14] <Myrtti> STAY TUNED FOR BREAKING NEWS
[13:14] <davmor2> no it's x
[13:14] <Myrtti> :-P
[13:15] <davmor2> we just blamed btrfs cause we knew it upset popey
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> oh it's his memory leak? :)
[13:19] <bigcalm> Anybody here using an office 365 account in thunderbird and find it takes a long time for the smtp connection to be made when sending email?
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I have used it in the past, and yes it takes forever
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also imap disconnects randomly
[13:22] <popey> pffft
[13:22] <popey> for some strange reason compiz exploded then lightdm wouldn't start
[13:22] <popey> all find now
[13:22] <popey> -typos
[13:23] <bigcalm> popey: somebody has moved your keys around
[13:23] <popey> unfortunately davmor2 left his desk with his laptop locked, so i couldn't dick about with it
[13:24] <davmor2> popey: yeah not that dumb :P
[13:24] <bigcalm> Something he never did at our work place days. I think you guys have some trust issues to work out
[13:31] <foobarry> why is it that some iphone users don't know how to upload a photo to facebook but they know how to upload a screenshot of a photo? is it that hard?
[13:31] <knightwise> No , taking a screenshot is too easy
[13:32] <foobarry> bigcalm: YES
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: sure but don't they end up in the same place as photos?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: with the same "Share" button?
[13:33] <foobarry> sending a mail via smtp takes > 30 s
[13:33] <foobarry> i asked for onsite smtp realy but they didn't understand the words
[13:33] <bigcalm> foobarry: yes?
[13:33] <bigcalm> Ah, okay
[13:33] <foobarry> sucks harder than any mail system i ever saw
[13:33] <foobarry> imap is super slow too
[13:34] <bigcalm> At least it gave me the chance to cancel sending, alter the email and resend :)
[13:34] <foobarry> yeah
[13:34] <bigcalm> Not to be relied upon though
[13:34] <foobarry> the response from work is "thunderbird is not supported"
[13:34] <bigcalm> Right, lunch time!
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: "Use outlook!"
[13:34] <foobarry> thats funny because it was supported before you introduced the problems
[13:36] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: they did say that
[13:36] <awilkins> Yick, yes
[13:36] <foobarry> i'd rather go without email than use outlook
[13:36] <awilkins> Alas, Outlook is the only sensible option for NHS mail
[13:36] <awilkins> IMAP is only available if you're inside the NHS network
[13:37] <awilkins> Because you dare not expose Exchange's IMAP implementation (or, actually, Exchange) to the naked internet
[13:37] <foobarry> MS do
[13:37] <awilkins> Sure it's not through an app proxy?
[13:38] <awilkins> We have Exchange available over the internet but it's via this other thing that's an XMLRPC proxy
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: but they're the only ones who have people on their payroll who can look at the source and go "Ah, there's the problem" is something goes horribly wrong
[13:38] <popey> foobarry: yeah, I've wondered why people do that too
[13:38] <awilkins> They bought it from an Israeli security firm
[13:38] <popey> i think it's because people see a picture on facebook and can't figure out how to save it
[13:38] <popey> not that they can't figure out how to share
[13:38] <foobarry> its a photo they took
[13:38] <popey> sharing is easy, saving content from facebook is harder
[13:39] <popey> oh, thats even more demented
[13:39] <foobarry> but maybe they shared on another fb page first
[13:39] <popey> yeah
[13:39] <awilkins> Lots of pages intentionally take steps to stop you saving images now
[13:39] <popey> I'm actually susprised they know how to screenshot
[13:39] <popey> s/page/app/
[13:39] <awilkins> (easy to default with "Inspect Element" but still... beyond the muggles)
[13:39] <popey> on a phone
[13:39] <popey> "Inspect element"?
[13:40] <awilkins> Ok, not on a phone
[13:40] <popey> you have press, and long press
[13:41] <foobarry> regret eating that pasty now
[13:53] <foobarry> how do i delete a twitter account?
[13:54] <popey> hit the cog and choose settings iirc
[13:54] <popey> https://twitter.com/settings/accounts/confirm_deactivation
[13:55] <foobarry> ah
[13:55] <popey> at the bottom
[13:55] <foobarry> deactivate..in small letters
[13:55] <foobarry> ta
[14:02] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Borat
[14:03] <foobarry> i notice chrome now has "do not track" option, so i don't need the do not track extension...or do I?
[14:07] <popey> https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Borat is @bkerensa I believe
[14:08] <foobarry> pretty lame
[14:08] <foobarry> thoguht it was funny till i read it.
[14:08] <foobarry> i like devops borat thoguh
[14:09] <foobarry> so are canonical going to complain about MS "onedrive" name?
[14:11] <popey> why would we?
[14:11] <foobarry> because it causes confusion
[14:12] <foobarry> over a similarly named product
[14:12] <popey> just got a text from my mother in law "I am just on my way over with some cat food. Are you dressed?"
[14:12] <popey> i replied "I should hope so, I am in London."
[14:13] <popey> I would imagine google would be more interested with it having "Drive" in the name
[14:13]  * popey shrugs
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> Microsoft cloud:\ ?
[14:23] <dwatkins> Such a simple name, why didn't they think of it?
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> cloud:\>_
[14:23] <dwatkins> quick, copyright it...
[14:23] <dwatkins> cloud:
[14:23] <dwatkins> dir
[14:34] <awilkins> cloud:\ looks kinda dubious about the value of itself
[14:34] <awilkins> Sort of like Cloud --- hmmmm :\   -- not sure I want to trust my files to MS
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: so.. perfect really ;)
[14:39] <awilkins> Poetically accurate branding
[14:55] <dwatkins> Cloud:\> therefore suggests it's poking its tongue out up and to the side?
[14:56] <bigcalm> I broke Jenkins :D
[14:56] <bigcalm> Boss got emailed and I didn't
[14:56] <bigcalm> Most amusing
[14:57] <dwatkins> I signed-up for Bitcasa before their prices went up, it would have been nice to get infinite storage with a linux fs module as well, but I gather they're only providing that to their higher paying customers.
[15:02] <foobarry> nimbus is a nice name for a cloud service
[15:02] <foobarry> or fluffy
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you've been reading too much Harry Potter
[15:03] <foobarry> never!
[15:03] <foobarry> i've never seen or watched it
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> read then?
[15:15] <foobarry> nope
[15:15] <foobarry> they're kids books i think
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> the first few are sort-of, but he grows up quickly
[15:28] <Myrtti> eh. http://vimeo.com/84960395
[15:29] <Myrtti> a bit... overboard.
[15:37] <dwatkins> someone's been watching too much Game of Thrones, methinks.
[15:43] <diddledan> Myrtti: I am at a loss for words
[15:43] <Myrtti> so am I
[15:53] <foobarry> another thing i haven't read/seen
[15:53] <foobarry> lots of rumpy pumpy with dwarves from what i hear
[15:53] <SuperMatt> o.O
[15:54] <bigcalm> Sounds like fun
[15:55] <SuperMatt> ah, when you said dwarves, I imagined the embeardened miners
[15:55] <bigcalm> Is it not?
[15:56] <foobarry> dunno. short people
[15:56] <Dave2> short people :(
[15:57] <SuperMatt> shhh
[15:57] <SuperMatt> stop mocking short people!
[15:59] <marxjohnson> there's a lot more rumpy-pumpy in the tv series than the books
[15:59] <marxjohnson> same amount of dwarves though
[16:00] <bigcalm> Dave2: at a Depeche Mode gig last night. Had this feeling that I'd seen the guy on the left somewhere before: http://nme.assets.ipccdn.co.uk/images/gallery/2012DepecheModePR200212.jpg
[16:01] <popey> nah
[16:01] <popey> too tall
[16:01] <foobarry> i bought violator the other day
[16:01] <foobarry> sounds a bit dated now
[16:01] <foobarry> used to have it on tape as a kid
[16:02] <bigcalm> The gig was great, what I saw of it any way
[16:02] <popey> i used to work in Martins newsagents when 101 came out, used to play it when i was on the record counter
[16:03] <SuperMatt> I would say violator has stood the test of time
[16:03] <SuperMatt> compared to a lot of music of the time
[16:03] <SuperMatt> I listen to it quite a lot
[16:03] <bigcalm> Not so much fun when people who pay for a seated ticket spend the whole gig standing up
[16:03] <foobarry> enjoy the silence is epic
[16:03] <foobarry> so is the nada surf cover
[16:05] <bigcalm> https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/427892672255512577/photo/1
[16:05] <bigcalm> To this: https://twitter.com/bigcalm/status/427910428086501377/photo/1
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> darkest blackness of space?
[16:06] <bigcalm> My view of the stage :(
[16:06] <SuperMatt> ouch
[16:07] <bigcalm> They sounded great though :D
[16:07] <foobarry> feb 14th booked as holiday \o/
[16:07] <foobarry> will take son out for the day as a valentine gift..giving her time to herself
[16:07] <popey> taking me out somewhere nice?
[16:07] <popey> oh
[16:07] <popey> I am disappoint, son.
[16:07] <foobarry> you can meet me there tohugh popey...
[16:08] <foobarry> we're going to the RAF museum at hendon
[16:08] <foobarry> epic day out
[16:08] <bigcalm> Thanks for reminding me that I need to book a table for 14th Feb
[16:11] <foobarry> i realise i should be spending time with the missis but at this stage of life, a rest is the best gift
[16:12] <diddledan> what's the diff between dwarves and dwarfs?
[16:13] <diddledan> I need a missus first
[16:13] <foobarry> the massive building dwarfs the neighbourhood
[16:13] <foobarry> snow white and the 7 dwarves
[16:13] <foobarry> i may be wrong, i didn't google
[16:14] <diddledan> the dwarf dwarves dwarfed the pygmy?
[16:14] <foobarry> midgets have feelings too
[16:14]  * diddledan eyes shauno 
[16:15] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:18] <foobarry> how should I disable network manager doing stuff on a centos server install?
[16:22] <diddledan> foobarry: does chkconfig network-manager off not work?
[16:23] <foobarry> it does, but no device appaers in system-config-network strangely
[16:23] <diddledan> and then running service network-manager stop, of course
[16:23] <foobarry> will go the /etc/sysconfig route, ta
[16:24] <diddledan> doesn't system-config-network use the network-manager framework now?
[16:24] <diddledan> welcome to #centos
[16:24] <diddledan> :-p
[16:24] <diddledan> !related
[16:24] <diddledan> aww, that one doesn't exist
[16:25] <diddledan> in #wordpress it says "just because you're using WordPress doesn't mean your question is related"
[16:25] <diddledan> or similar
[16:26] <diddledan> it's annoying the two bots are very similar but differ in ways that make me head-desk every time I try to use one of them
[16:27] <diddledan> lubotu3: !command; doc-bot: .command; lubotu3: !command | redirection; doc-bot .command > redirection
[16:27] <diddledan> shaddup lubotu3 , I wasn't talking to you
[16:27] <foobarry> aww poor bot
[16:28] <diddledan> it's a bot. until it develops emotions I'm not going to worry about humanity
[16:30] <diddledan> although, if she's as sexy as six then I might have to speed up the emotion program design
[16:30] <foobarry> USERCTL=no in ifcdfg-eth0 file?
[16:30] <diddledan> o_O
[16:31] <diddledan> I believe that's for use with ifup and ifdown
[16:31] <diddledan> allows ordinary users the ability to bring the network up and down without root privs
[16:33] <foobarry> ah, cheers
[16:33] <foobarry> new settig for me
[16:36] <diplo> Centos channel is awful, find the people in there quite confrontational, only ask if I'm really stuck :)
[16:36] <foobarry> that imac on a train picture, was that actually running ubuntu?
[16:36] <foobarry> looks like software centre
[16:47] <shauno> I saw depeche mode last year .. being at the front wasn't actually a good thing.  that's when you realised you were watching a middle-aged man make love to a microphone stand.
[16:47] <foobarry> in tight leathers?
[16:48] <dwatkins> how would you get power for an iMac on a train?
[16:49] <shauno> from the wall sockets?
[16:50] <JGJones> Don't think the wall sockets give enough juice for that? Although an iMac doesn't use much power mind you, on par with a laptop (since most of internals of an iMac is mobile chips etc)
[16:51] <shauno> ours have regular mains-level outlets
[16:55] <shauno> wherever you see this sign :)  http://www.irishrail.ie/media/Symbols_wifi_sockets_150x100px1.png
[16:55] <foobarry> but was it ubuntu?
[16:56] <shauno> I didn't see the picture
[16:57] <popey> many trains over here have power too
[16:58] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/MacworldUK/status/426713513630138368/photo/1
[16:58] <shauno> most diesel locos use the diesel to run a generator and then have electric powertrains, so they tend have more than enough juice to share
[16:59] <foobarry> my commuter train has power sockets for cleaners
[17:02] <bigcalm> I caved in and ordered the managed switch with wifi
[17:05] <diddledan> I think that's been photoshopped
[17:05] <Laney> can you tell by the pixels
[17:05] <diddledan> definitely the pixels
[17:19] <directhex> well, it takes experience to spot a shop
[17:19] <directhex> have you seen many shops in your time?
[18:19] <popey> http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=f4fa24807d1dab87af8f1f0c0d9ad524bd5bf51c.47309
[18:19] <popey> says no
[18:44] <mapps> argh
[19:26] <daubers> Evening
[19:28] <diddledan> ello
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:32] <brobostigon> evening
[19:42] <foobarry> evenings
[19:43]  * foobarry is reinstalling wifeysphone to see if that fixes the problem
[19:43] <foobarry> otherwise...new  phone  :(
[19:44] <Myrtti> I've dabbled with rewriterules
[19:44] <Myrtti> result: http://myrtti.fi/tip-jar goes to my freenode tip jar.
[19:44] <Myrtti> ;-)
[19:45] <Myrtti> (and yes, if you click the link you know why I'm actually not ashamed at all to tell you this)
[19:45] <Myrtti> but I'm also not going to spam it more
[19:50] <diddledan> Myrtti: spam away - it's a good cause
[19:51] <diddledan> plus who doesn't like spam with their egg n chips?!
[20:01] <Myrtti> hm, new Humble Bundle
[20:02] <Myrtti> quite surprised they donate to EFF and not, say, PEN International on that one
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> ooh wow, first time I've seen that:
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> [1405908.645054] microcode: CPU0 updated to revision 0x17, date = 2013-08-16
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> (etc, for CPU0-7)
[20:16] <diddledan> o_O
[20:17] <diddledan> your system has been online for some time
[20:18] <diddledan> 1405908 seconds is..... *calculator*17.2720833333... days
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 16 days
[20:18] <diddledan> sorry mistope
[20:18] <diddledan> 16**
[20:22] <Azelphur> Hey folks, anyone bored and mind telling me about the control characters in a terminal? I'm trying to capture the output from a process, and write what would be visible into a text file
[20:23] <ali12341> i know a lot about that stuff
[20:23] <ali12341> too much really
[20:23] <Azelphur> oO
[20:23] <Azelphur> ali12341: so for example, I'd want to have one "frame" of top always written into a text file, that's the goal
[20:23] <Azelphur> I can capture the raw output, with all the control codes and such
[20:23] <ali12341> well there's no such thing as "frames"
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: man script
[20:24] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: interesting, that might do it, haha
[20:24] <ali12341> why do you actually want this?
[20:24] <ali12341> pu top on a webpage or something?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: script -t timings outputfile
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then replay using "scriptreplay timings outputfile"
[20:25] <Azelphur> ali12341: spot on, I'm being stupid and feel like dumping the output of cgminer to a minecraft computer.
[20:25] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea, that doesn't sound like what I want
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's like recordmydesktop for terminals :)
[20:25] <ali12341> right and you're using computercraft?
[20:25] <Azelphur> ali12341: yup
[20:25] <Azelphur> fun fun \o/
[20:25] <ali12341> whch can only fetch web pages basically
[20:25] <Azelphur> yup
[20:26] <ali12341> what you really want is ssh implemented in lua
[20:26] <ali12341> i put some thought into how to make cmputercraft more interesting
[20:26] <Azelphur> haha
[20:27] <ali12341> the most interesting way would be to connect it up to user mode linux instances instead of lua vm
[20:27] <ali12341> and then put the redstone hardware into /dev/
[20:27] <ali12341> anyway, back on to the question
[20:28] <Azelphur> xD
[20:28] <ali12341> you might be able to do this with screen
[20:28] <Azelphur> I was wondering if I could do something like that with it
[20:30] <ali12341> you can do it interactive with C-a h
[20:30] <ali12341> "write a hardcopy of current screen contents"
[20:30] <Azelphur> oh hey, that'll work
[20:30] <shauno> if you name your screen sessions, you can do it non-interactive too
[20:30] <Azelphur> you can stuff commands into screen
[20:31] <Myrtti> ps has some sorting options
[20:32] <Myrtti> and formats and columns
[20:32] <ali12341> yeah but *really* he doesn't care about top at all, just wants to monitor some other program that happens to have a UI a bit like top
[20:32] <Azelphur> ^
[20:32] <Azelphur> ali12341: has it down ;)
[20:33] <Myrtti> well, ok.
[20:33] <Myrtti> *sniff*
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> you could run it on a vt and dump /dev/vcs<num> ;)
[20:38] <shauno> don't you get a whole lot of noise that way?
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> every other character is a colour code(ish)
[20:39] <shauno> :hardcopy filename is nice because it's basically printscreen; it kicks out clean ascii.  if you dump it straight from the term you get all the ansi stuff they use to move the cursor etc
[20:40] <ali12341> screen -X hardcopy foo.txt
[20:40] <ali12341> this works if you only have one screen with one window
[20:40] <ali12341> it is a little bit strange with cgminer though, it only outputs the top part of the display
[20:40] <Azelphur> ali12341: yea I already found it
[20:40] <Azelphur> and it works for me
[20:47] <foobarry> so the tube didn't stop at my station tonight, and hence took me into zone1, so my jounrye cost £5 extra :(
[20:52] <Azelphur> ali12341: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-28_20.51.50.png that was fun \o/
[20:54] <mapps> months till ibiza
[20:54] <mapps> *5
[20:58] <ali12341> C  [libc.so.6+0x7d71a]  _obstack_memory_used+0x49a <- does anyone know what it means when java does this?
[20:58] <mapps> nope
[20:58] <mapps> ;(
[21:03] <shauno> Azelphur: witchcraft?
[21:03] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:04] <Azelphur> ali12341: hilarious idea, HTTP Post, screen -X stuff, screen -X hardcopy
[21:04] <Azelphur> you now have computercraft SSH, in the ugliest most laggy way ever.
[21:11] <shauno> I can't keep track of all the server forks anymore.  seems bukkit isn't "in" anymore?
[21:13] <diddledan> wtf @ screenie
[21:13] <diddledan> cwazay
[21:13] <diddledan> he not nuts, he cwazay
[21:18] <Azelcraft> Hi folks!
[21:19] <Azelphur> diddledan: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-28_21.19.09.png xD
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[21:21] <Azelphur> this is the most hilariously pointless thing ever.
[21:21] <diddledan> you've completely lost the plot?
[21:21] <Azelphur> pretty much
[21:29] <Myrtti> you are mad as a hatter
[21:30] <Azelphur> I think I'm taking this too far, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2014/Jan/2014-01-28_21.24.29.png
[21:30] <Azelphur> minecraftception :P
[21:30] <Myrtti> you are mad.
[21:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have you read Snow Crash?
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> you should. :)
[21:34] <Azelphur> nope hehe
[21:35] <neuro> there's only four things we do better than anyone else
[21:35] <neuro> music
[21:35] <neuro> movies
[21:35] <neuro> microcode (software)
[21:35] <neuro> high-speed pizza delivery
[21:38] <MartijnVdS> neuro: that one, yes :)
[22:31] <Azelphur> Myrtti / diddledan I implemented buffering and some other optimisations, upped the framerate
[22:32] <Azelphur> I'm watching that telnet star wars now
[22:32] <Azelphur> xD
[22:38] <diddledan> aciimation ftw?
[22:38] <diddledan> ascii**
[22:39] <Azelphur> indeed :)