| Squirm | morning | 05:32 |
|---|---|---|
| Squirm | morning Kilos | 05:32 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm and others | 05:32 |
| Kilos | Private_User, hi did you win | 05:33 |
| Kilos | oh my, dash dont work | 05:37 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 05:37 |
| Kilos | wbb | 05:38 |
| bduk1 | Morning everyone | 05:48 |
| Kilos | hi bduk1 | 05:49 |
| Kilos | hi Xethron | 06:01 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:04 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning | 06:06 |
| Private_User | hi Kilos, nope the machine was still shutting down so decided I will try again later today since I had some other stuff that needed to be done as well | 06:22 |
| Kilos | ok we can try save your downloaded packages so you dont need to get them again | 06:23 |
| Kilos | thats if they are still in the archives | 06:23 |
| Kilos | i can do a clean install and only nead to use under 40m data to get everything going as was | 06:25 |
| Private_User | great thanks, that's what I was worried about using up data if I had to re-install OS again I will let you know when I start looking at the machine again cause I wanna try your suggestions from yesterday to remove and re-insert memory but I also wanna remove and clean all the components cause I have opened the case and found dust inside so maybe it could also be overheating as well because of that | 06:26 |
| Kilos | np | 06:27 |
| Kilos | ah compressed air is the best and safest | 06:28 |
| Private_User | yeah but where to get it... hopefully I do not damage any with static electricity... hehe :p | 06:28 |
| Kilos | at any garage | 06:28 |
| Private_User | ah that means taking the box to a garage | 06:29 |
| Kilos | just ask for old valve out of a tube and use that at the end of the goody that pumps tires | 06:29 |
| Kilos | i have my own compressor so forget that it aint easy for everyone | 06:29 |
| Kilos | but air is definitely the best | 06:30 |
| Private_User | ok thanks but if I am lazy and do not wanna drive to a garage what other options can I use? | 06:31 |
| Kilos | dont be lazy man do a good job | 06:32 |
| Kilos | the dust gets into every crack and groove, only strong air gets it out | 06:32 |
| Private_User | lol | 06:32 |
| Private_User | ok | 06:32 |
| Private_User | what if I use a bicycle pump and pump really fast could I accomplish the same? | 06:35 |
| Kilos | lol | 06:35 |
| Kilos | easier to go to garage | 06:35 |
| Private_User | LOL | 06:35 |
| Kilos | blow out the psu as well from both ends | 06:40 |
| Kilos | youll be surprised the dust that comes out | 06:40 |
| * Kilos switches to kde quick | 06:47 | |
| === henkj_ is now known as henkj | ||
| Vince-0 | ! | 07:42 |
| Kilos | hi henkj nin | 07:42 |
| Kilos | Vince-0: too | 07:42 |
| henkj | hi Kilos | 07:42 |
| Symmetria | sup | 07:46 |
| Symmetria | so, the hardware for the new mirror server has been ordered | 07:46 |
| Symmetria | and its arriving soon :) | 07:46 |
| Vince-0 | ! | 07:47 |
| Kilos | yay | 07:48 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 07:50 |
| Kilos | mobi too | 07:50 |
| theblazehen_mobi | hey kilos | 07:50 |
| Kilos | wbb | 08:00 |
| Symmetria | heh new mirror server is gigantic | 08:13 |
| Symmetria | I can mirror the internet on it ;p | 08:13 |
| * Squirm looks around | 08:18 | |
| Symmetria | heh we have stuck in 150tb of space | 08:18 |
| Symmetria | 192gigs of ram | 08:18 |
| Symmetria | and dual 6 core cpus | 08:18 |
| henkj | Symmetria: 150TB in one server? | 08:40 |
| henkj | is that like 40x 4TB disks? | 08:40 |
| Symmetria | henkj basically yeah | 08:55 |
| Symmetria | in dell powervault enclosures | 08:55 |
| henkj | Symmetria: what raid? | 09:07 |
| Symmetria | henkj raid 5 + hotspare | 09:08 |
| henkj | that's going to put a lot of strain on your disks | 09:09 |
| smile | hi :) | 09:21 |
| Symmetria | henk *shrug* if the disks die, we replace em | 10:18 |
| Squirm | the joys of raid 5 | 10:26 |
| Squirm | Symmetria: how are things going up there? | 10:38 |
| Symmetria | all good :) | 10:51 |
| Symmetria | lol was in the mara this weekend | 10:51 |
| Symmetria | and had such an awesome time | 10:51 |
| Symmetria | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31/1614296_10152016875110528_1186152461_o.jpg <=== check that hilarious photo | 10:51 |
| Symmetria | the ostrich caught the hyena trying to steal eggs and got mad | 10:52 |
| Kilos | unknow host: maybe you mispelled it | 11:39 |
| Kilos | sigh | 11:39 |
| Vince-0 | lolz | 11:42 |
| === Kilos- is now known as Kilos | ||
| magespawn | good afternoon | 12:44 |
| inetpro | who are the RedHat / Centos dudes here? | 12:57 |
| * inetpro wants to play with Centos | 12:57 | |
| Squirm | I want to be one | 13:06 |
| Squirm | :P | 13:06 |
| Squirm | only have my RHCSA though | 13:06 |
| Squirm | inetpro: why? | 13:16 |
| inetpro | Squirm: let me say I just want to widen my horizons | 13:59 |
| inetpro | been a long time since I used .rpm based solutions | 13:59 |
| inetpro | what I actually wanted to know quickly is what is the latest version of Centos but I found the answer already | 14:00 |
| inetpro | was just being lazy | 14:01 |
| inetpro | busy downloading the 4.2GB iso... yuck! | 14:02 |
| inetpro | but I see there is actually a MinimalCD as well | 14:05 |
| inetpro | anyway will have to look into that later | 14:05 |
| inetpro | so much for Centos | 14:05 |
| inetpro | guess I'm in the wrong channel to discuss it here :-) | 14:06 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 14:12 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn inetpro | 14:12 |
| inetpro | Kilos: wb | 14:13 |
| inetpro | you been sleeping? | 14:13 |
| inetpro | very quiet here today | 14:13 |
| Kilos | yeah just woke | 14:14 |
| Kilos | hate waking up | 14:14 |
| Squirm | inetpro: you can get a CentOS live cd too | 14:14 |
| Kilos | hi Golynx | 14:36 |
| Golynx | Hey Kilos | 14:36 |
| Golynx | Finally got php to create files again :) | 14:36 |
| Kilos | good | 14:37 |
| Kilos | where theres a will , theres a way | 14:37 |
| Golynx | Took me 25 google tabs opened at the same time and 5 hours of tweaking , but it works :) | 14:38 |
| Kilos | whew | 14:38 |
| Golynx | I installed the whole lamp stack at once. mysql, php, apache2 . Got a good tutorial on the extra permissions you need to add, that worked perfectly. But files were missing and i had to replace them and so everything is good now | 14:40 |
| Kilos | well done | 14:41 |
| Kilos | dont you feel better | 14:41 |
| Golynx | ty :) | 14:41 |
| Golynx | ya i do :D | 14:42 |
| Kilos | cool | 14:42 |
| Golynx | On the ubuntu login screen i got 2 Xfce sessions. One is Xfce Session the other is Xubuntu Session. I asked yesterday at Xubuntu channel what that means , someone said they only differ in looks :/ | 14:43 |
| Kilos | ah | 14:44 |
| Golynx | I only use the Xfce session though, Xubuntu session seems slower | 14:44 |
| magespawn | Hi Kilos | 14:45 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 14:45 |
| Golynx | hi magespawn | 14:45 |
| Golynx | is trender still here | 14:46 |
| Kilos | nope | 14:47 |
| Golynx | oh , though i saw it here last night | 14:47 |
| Kilos | last night ya | 14:48 |
| Golynx | ok | 14:48 |
| magespawn | later all home time | 15:02 |
| theblazehen | hey all, Kilos | 15:10 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 15:12 |
| Kilos | tell me how to format the storage section on a e220 | 15:12 |
| Kilos | vmc there as read only | 15:13 |
| theblazehen | no idea.. sorry | 15:13 |
| theblazehen | brb | 15:13 |
| Kilos | but i cant get to see it to format the thing | 15:13 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:13 |
| Kilos | that frightened him off | 15:13 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, might not make the meet :( | 15:15 |
| Kilos | aw why | 15:15 |
| theblazehen | Mother in hospital, might visit then | 15:16 |
| Kilos | yes do that rather and come late its ok | 15:16 |
| Kilos | hope she gets well soon | 15:16 |
| theblazehen | yeah, she should be fine | 15:17 |
| theblazehen | Just in for monitoring | 15:17 |
| Kilos | ok | 15:17 |
| Kilos | family always comes first | 15:17 |
| theblazehen | yep | 15:17 |
| theblazehen | anything planned? | 15:19 |
| Kilos | we got the chat about the state of the internet in za | 15:20 |
| theblazehen | ah nice | 15:20 |
| Kilos | hopefully some solutions come up on how to improve | 15:20 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 15:20 |
| theblazehen | shit, gtg | 15:27 |
| inetpro | Squirm: ah, thanks for that, I didn't even think about it... thought it should be a life cd by default | 15:51 |
| Squirm | inetpro: well, I meant the 700mb live cd | 16:07 |
| * Squirm shrugs | 16:07 | |
| Squirm | maybe that is a livecd | 16:07 |
| Symmetria | heh | 16:19 |
| Symmetria | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3265246294 | 16:19 |
| Symmetria | only so slow though because I aint got a gigE switch inside my house right now, thats coming tomorrow | 16:19 |
| Symmetria | so running through a 100meg crap to my test machine | 16:19 |
| inetpro | Squirm: I ended up downloading the 398MB version before I left the office, will try installing it as a VM tomorrow | 16:54 |
| inetpro | this evening is ubuntu time | 16:54 |
| Kilos | yay | 16:55 |
| charl_ | good evening | 17:36 |
| charl_ | oh i am still an hour early | 17:36 |
| Kilos | hi charl_ Golynx | 17:36 |
| charl_ | hi Kilos | 17:36 |
| charl_ | how's it going | 17:36 |
| Kilos | ok ty and you | 17:37 |
| charl_ | i'm good thanks | 17:37 |
| Golynx | hi Kilos and charl | 17:42 |
| Kilos | inetpro, thanks for the twit place reminders for the meeting | 17:50 |
| Kilos | and nuvolari on g+ | 17:51 |
| charl_ | does anyone have experience with this? http://openxcap.org/ | 17:51 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 17:51 |
| Kilos | i shoulda put a reminder on the list. ai! | 17:53 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 18:08 |
| Symmetria | man I never realized even with all the fast connections Ive worked on just how having that kinda bandwidth at home changes the way you do things | 18:12 |
| * nuvolari tiptoes in | 18:22 | |
| nuvolari | :O nearly forgot | 18:22 |
| charl_ | i read some great news today: http://torrentfreak.com/isps-no-longer-have-to-block-the-pirate-bay-dutch-court-rules-140128/ | 18:22 |
| Kilos | hiyamaia | 18:22 |
| nuvolari | hallo maiatoday | 18:22 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari | 18:22 |
| maiatoday | hi Kilos, nuvolari | 18:22 |
| Kilos | ai! hiya maiatoday | 18:23 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: meeting.minutes | 18:23 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-02-18-17-30-02.html | 18:23 |
| charl_ | hi nuvolari | 18:23 |
| charl_ | hi maiatoday | 18:23 |
| maiatoday | hi charl_ | 18:23 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: meeting.agenda | 18:25 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/542/detail/ | 18:25 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: forget meeting.agenda | 18:25 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Righto | 18:25 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/ | 18:25 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: If you say so | 18:25 |
| Golynx | hi nuvolari | 18:26 |
| Golynx | hi maiatoday | 18:26 |
| maiatoday | hi Golynx | 18:26 |
| nuvolari | how do I get the meeting minutes? | 18:26 |
| nuvolari | hi Golynx | 18:26 |
| charl_ | hi theblazehen_mobi | 18:27 |
| nuvolari | hallo theblazehen_mobi | 18:27 |
| theblazehen_mobi | hey charl | 18:27 |
| Kilos | wb theblazehen | 18:27 |
| theblazehen_mobi | hey nuvolari | 18:27 |
| theblazehen_mobi | ty Kilos | 18:27 |
| Golynx | wb theblazehen_mobi | 18:28 |
| theblazehen_mobi | at hospital... people so inconpetent its funny | 18:28 |
| theblazehen_mobi | hey Golynx | 18:28 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:28 |
| theblazehen_mobi | except for the part where mother almost died | 18:28 |
| nuvolari | oh, the meeting minutes areonly available afterwards :P | 18:28 |
| charl_ | at hospital people are incompetent? that does not sound funny to me at all | 18:28 |
| charl_ | i would be worried | 18:28 |
| theblazehen_mobi | charl_, yeah... | 18:28 |
| Kilos | lol @ nuvolari | 18:28 |
| charl_ | those are the people who are supposed to look after your health | 18:29 |
| superfly | hi everyone | 18:29 |
| charl_ | they should be the last to be incompetent | 18:29 |
| maiatoday | hi superfly | 18:29 |
| charl_ | hi superfly | 18:29 |
| theblazehen_mobi | hey superfly | 18:29 |
| Kilos | superfly, look whos back | 18:29 |
| Golynx | hi superfly | 18:29 |
| * Kilos happy | 18:29 | |
| superfly | Kilos: I double-booked myself tonight, but it's OK, I can squeeze it | 18:29 |
| nuvolari | ooh, I have an agenda item: Afrihost | 18:30 |
| nuvolari | which took a punch | 18:30 |
| nuvolari | and I'm not sure how well they recover | 18:30 |
| nuvolari | hello superfly | 18:30 |
| Kilos | afrihost are with mtn hey? | 18:31 |
| nuvolari | yeah oom | 18:31 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly LoCo Meeting - January 2014 | 18:31 |
| * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles | 18:31 | |
| maiatoday | Maaz I am Maia Grotepass | 18:31 |
| Maaz | maiatoday: Righto | 18:31 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic: introduction | 18:31 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Sorry... | 18:31 |
| nuvolari | argh | 18:32 |
| inetpro | Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer | 18:32 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Righto | 18:32 |
| superfly | Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman | 18:32 |
| Maaz | superfly: Alrighty | 18:32 |
| theblazehen_mobi | Maaz, i am Jeandre Henderson | 18:32 |
| Maaz | theblazehen_mobi: Yessir | 18:32 |
| Kilos | Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe | 18:32 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Righto | 18:32 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction | 18:32 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction | 18:32 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt | 18:32 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Sure | 18:32 |
| Kilos | inetpro, ping | 18:32 |
| inetpro | Kilos: pong | 18:33 |
| nuvolari | Righto! | 18:33 |
| Kilos | meeting time | 18:33 |
| nuvolari | Hello, good evening everyone! | 18:33 |
| charl_ | Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk | 18:33 |
| Maaz | charl_: Done | 18:33 |
| inetpro | Kilos: uh, I signed already | 18:33 |
| nuvolari | It's nice to see you all again | 18:33 |
| inetpro | thanks nuvolari | 18:33 |
| nuvolari | If you are new here, a special welcome! | 18:33 |
| * Kilos apologises for not reminding the lists | 18:33 | |
| nuvolari | If this is your first meeting, please note that we do record the meeting and the minutes will be available afterwards | 18:34 |
| Kilos | oh sorry inetpro | 18:34 |
| inetpro | Kilos: you are welcome :-) | 18:34 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:34 |
| nuvolari | also, please identify yourself to Maaz by telling him who you are (Maaz: I am <yourname>) | 18:34 |
| Kilos | Golynx, see this is what a bot must do | 18:34 |
| Kilos | not just chat | 18:35 |
| nuvolari | no worries oom Kilos, I hope the people's reminders did what it should do | 18:35 |
| Golynx | Maaz: I am Gerrit Pas | 18:35 |
| Maaz | Golynx: Righto | 18:35 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: meeting.agenda | 18:35 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/ | 18:36 |
| Golynx | god Kilos | 18:36 |
| Golynx | good* | 18:36 |
| nuvolari | if you want to see what is up for discussion, please see the agenda | 18:36 |
| inetpro | eish! | 18:37 |
| nuvolari | and maybe mention something you would like to discuss under the Miscellaneous topic | 18:37 |
| nuvolari | met ys ja | 18:37 |
| * inetpro just noticed an item brought over from last meeting | 18:37 | |
| Kilos | hi parkerdo | 18:37 |
| superfly | nuvolari: I don't have a lot of time tonight, I need to go at about 21:30, can we try to keep things moving tonight? | 18:37 |
| inetpro | we always forget to follow up | 18:38 |
| parkerdo | Kilos: hi, how you doing man? | 18:38 |
| Kilos | good ty parkerdo and you | 18:38 |
| nuvolari | sure superfly | 18:38 |
| superfly | ta | 18:38 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Review previous minutes | 18:38 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Review previous minutes | 18:38 |
| parkerdo | Kilos: no complaints except i have an issue with an installation i am trying to sort out, maybe you could help? | 18:39 |
| nuvolari | ok, is there anything anyone wants to bring up from the past meeting/minutes? | 18:39 |
| Kilos | after the meeting parkerdo | 18:39 |
| Kilos | you welcome to join in | 18:39 |
| maiatoday | I want to thank everyone for agreeing to move the meeting to Tuesday | 18:39 |
| nuvolari | parkerdo: welcome to our first IRC meeting for 2014 :) | 18:39 |
| parkerdo | Kilos: ok, will do and thanks | 18:39 |
| inetpro | maiatoday: good to see you here for a change | 18:39 |
| Kilos | we love you maiatoday its been sad outa you here | 18:40 |
| nuvolari | *first irc loco meeting for 2014 | 18:40 |
| nuvolari | you're welcome maiatoday | 18:40 |
| * maiatoday am happy to be back | 18:40 | |
| parkerdo | nuvolari: glad to be back. unfortunately i have forgotten how to announce myself. who is taking minutes for this meeting? | 18:40 |
| nuvolari | we'll try to have a date that accomodate as many as possible | 18:40 |
| nuvolari | parkerdo: maaz does | 18:40 |
| Kilos | parkerdo, type in maaz I am Name | 18:41 |
| nuvolari | (Maa: i am parkerdo) | 18:41 |
| nuvolari | *Maaz | 18:41 |
| parkerdo | Kilos: thank you guys | 18:41 |
| nuvolari | ok, nothing from the previous meeting's minutes? | 18:41 |
| parkerdo | maaz I am Dominic | 18:41 |
| Maaz | parkerdo: Righto | 18:41 |
| nuvolari | moving on | 18:42 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements | 18:42 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements | 18:42 |
| superfly | Just one item of administrativia from me. | 18:43 |
| nuvolari | Hmm, are there any announcements and admin stuff to discuss? | 18:43 |
| nuvolari | ok, we're listening | 18:43 |
| nuvolari | er, reading | 18:43 |
| inetpro | our followers on both G+ and Twitter are growing slowly but steadily | 18:43 |
| maiatoday | I want to thank all the old and new chairs of this meeting for doing a fantastic job | 18:43 |
| superfly | Folks, don't forget that this channel is an official Ubuntu channel, and is governed by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct | 18:43 |
| inetpro | superfly: good point | 18:43 |
| inetpro | we unfortunately had to deal with some nasty actions on Friday | 18:44 |
| superfly | By entering the channel, you agree to the CoC and are bound by it. | 18:44 |
| superfly | If you are unfamiliar with the CoC, you can read it on the Ubuntu site. I'll find the link for you. | 18:44 |
| superfly | http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct | 18:45 |
| superfly | there you go. | 18:45 |
| inetpro | ty | 18:45 |
| nuvolari | what happened inetpro? | 18:45 |
| nuvolari | thanks superfly | 18:45 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: ucoc is http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct | 18:46 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I'll remember that | 18:46 |
| superfly | I'm not entirely sure what happened, I didn't study the logs, but someone in particular was acting clearly in contravention of the CoC, and inetpro and I had to ban him from the channel multiple times (he was using anonymous proxies) | 18:46 |
| nuvolari | :( | 18:47 |
| superfly | Anyway, it doesn't matter much now. Moving forward. | 18:47 |
| inetpro | +1 | 18:47 |
| theblazehen_mobi | superfly, trender? | 18:47 |
| nuvolari | yeah, water under the bridge | 18:48 |
| nuvolari | any last points? | 18:48 |
| nuvolari | moving on | 18:48 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Events | 18:49 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Events | 18:49 |
| superfly | I don't know of anything, to be honest. | 18:49 |
| Kilos | nope | 18:49 |
| maiatoday | The next release is an LTS isn't it? | 18:50 |
| Kilos | yes | 18:50 |
| maiatoday | so we can start planning release parties even though it is only in april | 18:50 |
| nuvolari | I think there is something for DBNLUG on the horizon, just a year starter somewhere in feb | 18:50 |
| inetpro | no events on my list at the moment | 18:51 |
| nuvolari | Feb 8th, for anyone in DBN area | 18:51 |
| nuvolari | ok, moving on | 18:51 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: New Local communities health check process | 18:52 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Excuse me? | 18:52 |
| Kilos | Vince-0, did you log in here? | 18:52 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic New Local communities health check process | 18:52 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: New Local communities health check process | 18:52 |
| nuvolari | this topic was brought over from last year | 18:52 |
| nuvolari | http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/ | 18:52 |
| inetpro | maybe maiatoday knows a bit more about this? | 18:52 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn log in please | 18:53 |
| nuvolari | "Every team shall be known as a LoCoteam, teams that were previously known as an “Approved LoCoteam” shall be known as a “Verified LoCoteam”." | 18:53 |
| superfly | I read up on that. It basically just sounds like they're renaming things to sound more inclusive | 18:53 |
| maiatoday | still sounds like a check every two years | 18:53 |
| maiatoday | so we have some time, I should check the deadlines | 18:53 |
| inetpro | maiatoday: please do | 18:54 |
| maiatoday | Maaz action maiatoday will check when we have to do a loco health check again | 18:54 |
| Maaz | maiatoday: Got it | 18:54 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: now time for the hot topic? | 18:55 |
| inetpro | of the day | 18:55 |
| magespawn | Maaz I am Greg Eames | 18:55 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Okay | 18:55 |
| nuvolari | agreed | 18:56 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic The current state of Internet in South Africa | 18:56 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: The current state of Internet in South Africa | 18:56 |
| nuvolari | superfly: the floor is yours | 18:56 |
| Vince-0 | Maaz, I am Vincent Swart | 18:56 |
| Maaz | Vince-0: Done | 18:56 |
| superfly | Right. Some quick questions, just 2 answers per question please. | 18:56 |
| Kilos | Xethron, login please | 18:57 |
| superfly | What was your first Internet connection, and when was that? | 18:57 |
| * superfly looks for raised hands | 18:57 | |
| inetpro | superfly: work or home? | 18:57 |
| superfly | inetpro: Either | 18:57 |
| Kilos | gprs 2008 | 18:57 |
| magespawn | Dial up 1994 | 18:57 |
| inetpro | mine was a 64k line at work I think in 1995 for something like 300 people | 18:58 |
| superfly | What do you currently use to get online? | 18:58 |
| Kilos | 3g | 18:58 |
| * inetpro uses 3g via 8ta | 18:58 | |
| nuvolari | joh, dialup, 56k modem, around 2002/3 | 18:58 |
| nuvolari | currently using 3g via 8ta | 18:58 |
| magespawn | 3g adsl 1mb and 4mb uncapped unshaped | 18:59 |
| magespawn | The dial in 94 was 28.8 | 18:59 |
| superfly | What are some of the other ways you got online? | 18:59 |
| Kilos | clee phone | 18:59 |
| Kilos | cell | 18:59 |
| nuvolari | mobile phone/opera mini :P | 18:59 |
| nuvolari | and irc, if that counts | 19:00 |
| inetpro | before the interwebs I used BBS dialup | 19:00 |
| superfly | talking connections here :-) | 19:00 |
| magespawn | Internet cafe at the shopping center | 19:00 |
| superfly | Wow, inetpro, old school | 19:00 |
| nuvolari | inetpro: what's that? | 19:00 |
| superfly | What do you primarily use the Internet for today? | 19:00 |
| inetpro | even hosted my own BBS server | 19:00 |
| Kilos | irc im and mail | 19:00 |
| Xethron | Maaz I am Bernhard | 19:00 |
| Maaz | Xethron: Okay | 19:01 |
| inetpro | Bulletin Board System | 19:01 |
| magespawn | I remember those | 19:01 |
| superfly | inetpro: rocking the geek points there | 19:01 |
| inetpro | just needed a phone line and a modem | 19:01 |
| Xethron | Yeah, I'm also on the 3G currently... Lines are too expensive :P | 19:01 |
| magespawn | Irc email file sharing vpn vps and webhosting | 19:01 |
| nuvolari | irc, mail, work(documents, documentation, development, research, apps), social networking | 19:01 |
| inetpro | and that was on a either 2400 or 9600 baud rate | 19:01 |
| inetpro | can't remember | 19:02 |
| maiatoday | yeah I seem to remember my first modem as also 9600 baud rate | 19:02 |
| superfly | In your current connection, what is most important to you: Speed, Cost or Bandwidth? | 19:02 |
| Kilos | cost | 19:02 |
| theblazehen_mobi | bandwidth | 19:02 |
| nuvolari | bandwidth | 19:02 |
| inetpro | stability, cost, bandwidth, speed - in that order | 19:03 |
| superfly | nuvolari: , theblazehen_mobi: So, 1 meg uncapped vs 10 meg capped at 10 gigs? | 19:03 |
| Kilos | what is bandwidth | 19:03 |
| superfly | Kilos: how much you can download | 19:03 |
| Kilos | ah ty | 19:03 |
| maiatoday | stability, cost, speed | 19:04 |
| theblazehen_mobi | superfly, 1 mbit | 19:04 |
| Kilos | limited only by cost | 19:04 |
| Xethron | cost, bandwidth, speed - in that order | 19:04 |
| superfly | inetpro and magespawn, since you guys have been online the longest, what do you think has changed the most? | 19:04 |
| inetpro | hmm.. tough question | 19:05 |
| nuvolari | well, to be honest, somewhere inbetween, but as I've realized, you can run out of bandwidth when you have a quick connection that's capped. I'll rather take something slower, but still acceptale, and as much bandwidth as that speed can consume in a time period | 19:05 |
| magespawn | speed and cost, so better value for money, and wider access | 19:05 |
| inetpro | thinking about this, obviously speed has improved by a lot, but price somehow got stuck somewhere | 19:06 |
| superfly | inetpro: you reckon the price could still come down? | 19:06 |
| inetpro | superfly: it has to | 19:07 |
| superfly | What about the relationship between ADSL and 3G ? | 19:07 |
| Xethron | Stability is also still a problem | 19:07 |
| Kilos | in mybroadband today they said telkom dropping adsl cost another 15% | 19:07 |
| superfly | according to the latest statistics, there are 1.1 million ADSL subscribers, and 12 million on 3G | 19:07 |
| inetpro | I think 3G has become very usable though not everywhere | 19:07 |
| inetpro | anything outside a large city is just about useless | 19:08 |
| superfly | Why are there more than 10 times the number of 3G subscribers? | 19:08 |
| Kilos | cellphones | 19:08 |
| Xethron | 3G is great because you don't need a telkom line and everything. So it works out cheaper when you're not torrenting... | 19:08 |
| inetpro | stolen landlines | 19:08 |
| superfly | Do you think that some of those 3G people might also have ADSL? | 19:08 |
| inetpro | cable theft | 19:08 |
| Xethron | Most people I assume don't use that much, so 3G is cheaper for the "average person" | 19:09 |
| nuvolari | IMO 3G moved mountains in terms of internet availability | 19:09 |
| inetpro | ADSL is cheaper | 19:09 |
| superfly | nuvolari: I agree. I had 3G for a long time (in compared to the time I've had ADSL) | 19:09 |
| inetpro | if you have a line | 19:09 |
| Kilos | not with phome line costs as well inetpro | 19:09 |
| magespawn | I have both | 19:09 |
| Kilos | phone | 19:10 |
| inetpro | you can get very decent uncapped packages on ADSL | 19:10 |
| magespawn | Just taken a new data contract with cell c | 19:10 |
| Xethron | Oh, and when renting an apartment, you need the owners permission to get a line installed, and you need to take out a contract with Telkom. 3G these days you don't even need a modem or contract. You can just do it from your phone... | 19:10 |
| Kilos | you gotta add the costs of having the telkom line before you even get adsl | 19:10 |
| nuvolari | I'm still renting a place, so for me to have a fixed line is a hassle | 19:10 |
| inetpro | uncapped on 3g is very pricey | 19:10 |
| superfly | Do you even get uncapped? | 19:11 |
| inetpro | yes | 19:11 |
| superfly | didn't know that | 19:11 |
| nuvolari | which provider? | 19:11 |
| Xethron | I know MTN had an uncapped deal. But it wasn't truly uncapped. However, if you cloned the sim, your 2nd sim will be uncapped. :P | 19:11 |
| Xethron | But the deal isn't available anymore | 19:12 |
| superfly | Last question from me: If you had to sum up Internet in SA in one sentence, what would you say? | 19:12 |
| inetpro | superfly: 3g uncapped is based on a FUP I think | 19:12 |
| inetpro | FUP = Fair Use Policy | 19:12 |
| Kilos | better than no internet | 19:12 |
| Kilos | my connecting is stable and not too slow | 19:13 |
| nuvolari | Internet in South Africa came a long way, but hefty prices prevents user happines. | 19:13 |
| inetpro | MTN had uncapped light at a very reasonable price but after 3GB they cut you down to 128kbps | 19:14 |
| superfly | nuvolari: Well put. | 19:14 |
| inetpro | unfortunately they also stopped that option as well | 19:14 |
| superfly | Anyone else want to veture their opinion? | 19:14 |
| Xethron | I think nuvolari said it best. And the internet is limiting growth and education esp if you are in the IT industry... | 19:15 |
| Kilos | Vince-0, some input here | 19:15 |
| magespawn | Stability for mobile and as always price | 19:15 |
| Vince-0 | hmm | 19:15 |
| Vince-0 | rip off? sums it up | 19:15 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:15 |
| superfly | Vince-0: Perhaps, but remember that most other countries were in our position at some or other stage. We're just lagging behind everyone as usual. | 19:16 |
| inetpro | superfly: nice set of questions, now what to do about this? | 19:16 |
| inetpro | Or am I jumping ahead again? | 19:16 |
| superfly | inetpro: I don't have any solutions, I'm afraid. | 19:16 |
| Vince-0 | lagging like the middle ages | 19:17 |
| Golynx | For as long as there is corruption in SA there will be no stable growth for in the internet for all. | 19:17 |
| inetpro | I think we've come a long way but we could have gone further by now | 19:17 |
| Kilos | yip superfly solutions | 19:17 |
| Kilos | where do we get solutions and how | 19:18 |
| inetpro | while price of data may have come down a bit, voice calls have not come down enough | 19:18 |
| superfly | I think everyone will agree that we're getting there. Unfortunately a number of factors have held us back in the past, including the very government that is supposed to help us progress. | 19:18 |
| nuvolari | An observation: I am sure that a shortage in technical staff/knowledge is also helping with the lag of progress here. I might be wrong, but most of government jobs are for the money, not the advancement of the community. | 19:19 |
| Kilos | we need to email CEO's and ministers | 19:19 |
| superfly | But I think that voicing our opinions and reminding the government of how important ICT and Internet is will help to move things forward. | 19:19 |
| nuvolari | +1 | 19:19 |
| Kilos | superfly, +1 | 19:19 |
| inetpro | but data will have to come down significantly if we want our people to compete with international | 19:20 |
| Kilos | we gotta lobby the high ups | 19:20 |
| superfly | Alrighty, that's me done. | 19:20 |
| superfly | I don't have anything more to say :-) | 19:20 |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 19:20 |
| nuvolari | thanks for a great input superfly! | 19:21 |
| inetpro | hmm... I think a lot more needs to be said still | 19:21 |
| Kilos | pinpoint the powers that be and we can go further inetpro | 19:22 |
| Kilos | forget the peeps on the ladder | 19:22 |
| inetpro | perhaps a follow up at next meeting? | 19:22 |
| Kilos | yip | 19:22 |
| Kilos | or even in between | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | ok, | 19:23 |
| Kilos | those impromptu meets the monkey was supposed to start | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: action follow up at next meeting on the state of Internet in South Africa | 19:23 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: What? | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | ack | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: agreed follow up at next meeting on the state of Internet in South Africa | 19:23 |
| Maaz | Agreed: follow up at next meeting on the state of Internet in South Africa | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | hmm, eyesonly is not present | 19:24 |
| nuvolari | does anyone want to discuss the topic "Ways to help the Ubuntu Community" that was requested by eyesonly? | 19:24 |
| Kilos | ok so its in everyones hand to pinpoint the peeps to approach about this | 19:24 |
| nuvolari | we're nearly running out of time | 19:25 |
| nuvolari | I don't have anything else to add under Miscellaneous | 19:25 |
| nuvolari | Anyone? | 19:25 |
| Kilos | nope | 19:25 |
| inetpro | next time | 19:26 |
| nuvolari | ok | 19:26 |
| Kilos | just think about release parties for next lts | 19:26 |
| nuvolari | ok, for the next meeting? | 19:26 |
| Trixar_za | You guys are having a metting? Oo | 19:26 |
| Kilos | lol hi Trixar_za | 19:27 |
| Kilos | read the logs | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: agreed discuss release party planning at the next IRC meeting | 19:27 |
| Maaz | Agreed: discuss release party planning at the next IRC meeting | 19:27 |
| inetpro | Trixar_za: you are late :-) | 19:27 |
| Trixar_za | I ask because normally nuvolari is as quiet as a bum | 19:27 |
| Trixar_za | :P | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | ok, moving on | 19:27 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | ag voesek! | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | :P | 19:27 |
| magespawn | Brb | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting | 19:28 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting | 19:28 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 19:28 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 19:28 |
| * inetpro votes for nuvolari again | 19:28 | |
| nuvolari | I'm happy to chair again, unless someone wants a try? | 19:28 |
| Kilos | Maaz, thanks man | 19:28 |
| Maaz | Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) | 19:28 |
| Kilos | yip[ nuvolari its yours | 19:28 |
| Trixar_za | Now only if Maaz was female... and human. Well, then we'd have a very silent channel. | 19:29 |
| Kilos | but more time during the month is good too | 19:29 |
| nuvolari | okies | 19:29 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: good job! | 19:29 |
| Trixar_za | I vote for nuvolari too | 19:29 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: agreed Chair next meeting: nuvolari | 19:29 |
| Maaz | Agreed: Chair next meeting: nuvolari | 19:29 |
| inetpro | Kilos: maiatoday is still not herself? | 19:29 |
| Kilos | date? | 19:29 |
| inetpro | maiatoday: yo are way too quiet | 19:29 |
| Kilos | bit older now inetpro | 19:29 |
| maiatoday | I'm ok, just getting the hang of things again | 19:30 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Next meeting: Tuesday, Feb 25th, 2014 | 19:30 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Next meeting: Tuesday, Feb 25th, 2014 | 19:30 |
| nuvolari | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/ | 19:30 |
| nuvolari | ^^ next meeting page | 19:30 |
| nuvolari | I need to add the agenda items | 19:30 |
| maiatoday | the google+ reminders really help me :D so thanks to people doing those admins too | 19:30 |
| inetpro | maiatoday: yw | 19:31 |
| nuvolari | Allrighty! | 19:31 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic closing | 19:31 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: closing | 19:31 |
| nuvolari | Thank you for attending everyone | 19:31 |
| nuvolari | we are running over time by a couple of seconds just now | 19:31 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, ty again for a good job | 19:31 |
| magespawn | back | 19:31 |
| nuvolari | so I think we did well :-> | 19:31 |
| nuvolari | wb magespawn | 19:31 |
| Kilos | thanks for attending everyone | 19:32 |
| magespawn | ty | 19:32 |
| nuvolari | you're welcome oom Kilos | 19:32 |
| inetpro | that was a nice busy first meeting for 2014 | 19:32 |
| maiatoday | thanks for chairing nuvolari | 19:32 |
| nuvolari | indeed inetpro | 19:32 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:32 |
| nuvolari | my pleasure maiatoday :) | 19:32 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, rev the monkey too about his impromptu meets | 19:32 |
| Kilos | you durbanites are slacking off | 19:33 |
| nuvolari | Ok, that's it! Thank you everyone. All of the best and until next time! | 19:33 |
| maiatoday | thanks all | 19:33 |
| nuvolari | o/ | 19:33 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: end meeting | 19:33 |
| Maaz | Meeting Ended | 19:33 |
| Maaz | Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.html | 19:33 |
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| Kilos | update topic inetpro | 19:33 |
| Kilos | oh my | 19:34 |
| inetpro | done | 19:34 |
| Kilos | well done | 19:34 |
| Kilos | fastest ever | 19:34 |
| magespawn | on fire | 19:36 |
| * Trixar_za puts magespawn out | 19:37 | |
| Kilos | lol | 19:37 |
| magespawn | guys can you tell what you see when you visit bonamanzi.co.za | 19:37 |
| magespawn | hah | 19:37 |
| magespawn | i was referring to inetpro | 19:38 |
| Kilos | looks good magespawn | 19:38 |
| nuvolari | we finished roughly 1 minute earlier than the last | 19:38 |
| magespawn | can you find a booking page anywhere on that site? | 19:38 |
| * Kilos would like to know what the fly is gonna do with that info | 19:38 | |
| magespawn | speedy and busy | 19:39 |
| Kilos | accomodation? | 19:39 |
| Kilos | contact us? | 19:39 |
| Kilos | should be in the contact us button | 19:40 |
| Kilos | ask the ineternet experts to help | 19:40 |
| Kilos | shame poor parkerdo left | 19:41 |
| Kilos | he is in south west i think | 19:41 |
| Kilos | where they live off fishing | 19:41 |
| magespawn | we have a booking that 'arrived'on the in house hotel management system from online, but we do not have online booking, so i am bit confused | 19:43 |
| Kilos | ai! | 19:43 |
| Kilos | you need to add a bookings page then | 19:44 |
| Kilos | booking button | 19:44 |
| nuvolari | joh, feb and march both on the 25th | 19:45 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 19:45 |
| Kilos | hoe gaanit nuvolari ? | 19:46 |
| inetpro | magespawn: maybe someone else making the money on another site? | 19:46 |
| nuvolari | besig oom! | 19:46 |
| Kilos | nee man | 19:46 |
| nuvolari | byna van vanaand se meeting vergeet :-/ | 19:46 |
| Kilos | jy moet meer hier wees | 19:46 |
| nuvolari | ok, event detail updated | 19:46 |
| nuvolari | ek probeer oom! | 19:46 |
| Kilos | ja ek was sleg en het nie gepos nie | 19:46 |
| Kilos | skuus | 19:46 |
| Kilos | probeer harder | 19:47 |
| Kilos | mindr heli vlieg | 19:47 |
| inetpro | time to hit the hay | 19:47 |
| inetpro | good night everyone | 19:48 |
| Kilos | night inetpro sleep tight | 19:48 |
| magespawn | maybe inetpro but where and how is it linking to our in house systems? | 19:48 |
| Kilos | ty for everything | 19:48 |
| inetpro | magespawn: no idea | 19:48 |
| Kilos | traceback | 19:48 |
| magespawn | this is a good one | 19:49 |
| Kilos | follow the trail | 19:49 |
| magespawn | ask the customer for the link that they used | 19:49 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:49 |
| Kilos | haha | 19:49 |
| Kilos | fix the site page first | 19:49 |
| magespawn | there is a bonamanzi.com but that is a guest house in Burgersfort | 19:49 |
| Kilos | then say you supposed to go to bookings not the kitchen | 19:50 |
| Kilos | aha | 19:50 |
| magespawn | what is wrong there Kilos | 19:50 |
| magespawn | ? | 19:50 |
| Kilos | add a bookings button | 19:50 |
| Kilos | large one | 19:50 |
| Kilos | bright red | 19:50 |
| Kilos | its the common internet prob. page to page to page to find things | 19:51 |
| Kilos | put bookings on first page | 19:51 |
| magespawn | there is plans to add online bookings, but we need to clarify a few things first | 19:57 |
| Kilos | ah | 19:58 |
| Kilos | this 64 bit 12.04 unity actually runs well | 19:59 |
| Kilos | but cant add the 64 bit graphics card then my 2 other 32bit drives dont work here | 19:59 |
| Kilos | Vince-0, am i doing something wrong | 20:00 |
| Kilos | as in, should the 32bit systems be able to use the 64bit graphics card | 20:01 |
| Vince-0 | hi! | 20:04 |
| theblazehen | hey Vince-0 | 20:04 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:04 |
| theblazehen | bit late.. | 20:04 |
| Vince-0 | soz, I've been lurking with work here | 20:04 |
| Kilos | aw sorry for bugging you then | 20:05 |
| Vince-0 | thats ok | 20:06 |
| Vince-0 | I don't think its an issue running 32bit CPU and 64bit graphics cards | 20:07 |
| Kilos | ill try again then but when i first tried it i got blank screens | 20:07 |
| Kilos | ty | 20:07 |
| Kilos | will let you know what broke | 20:07 |
| theblazehen | cya guys | 20:08 |
| Kilos | toods theblazehen | 20:08 |
| magespawn | back again | 20:09 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 20:10 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 20:23 |
| magespawn | good night all | 20:41 |
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