[05:32] <Squirm> morning
[05:32] <Squirm> morning Kilos 
[05:32] <Kilos> hi Squirm and others
[05:33] <Kilos> Private_User, hi did you win
[05:37] <Kilos> oh my, dash dont work
[05:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:38] <Kilos> wbb
[05:48] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:49] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[06:01] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[06:04] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:22] <Private_User> hi Kilos, nope the machine was still shutting down so decided I will try again later today since I had some other stuff that needed to be done as well
[06:23] <Kilos> ok we can try save your downloaded packages so you dont need to get them again
[06:23] <Kilos> thats if they are still in the archives
[06:25] <Kilos> i can do a clean install and only nead to use under 40m data to get everything going as was
[06:26] <Private_User> great thanks, that's what I was worried about using up data if I had to re-install OS again I will let you know when I start looking at the machine again cause I wanna try your suggestions from yesterday to remove and re-insert memory but I also wanna remove and clean all the components cause I have opened the case and found dust inside so maybe it could also be overheating as well because of that
[06:27] <Kilos> np
[06:28] <Kilos> ah compressed air is the best and safest
[06:28] <Private_User> yeah but where to get it... hopefully I do not damage any with static electricity... hehe :p
[06:28] <Kilos> at any garage
[06:29] <Private_User> ah that means taking the box to a garage
[06:29] <Kilos> just ask for old valve out of a tube and use that at the end of the goody that pumps tires
[06:29] <Kilos> i have my own compressor so forget that it aint easy for everyone
[06:30] <Kilos> but air is definitely the best
[06:31] <Private_User> ok thanks but if I am lazy and do not wanna drive to a garage what other options can I use?
[06:32] <Kilos> dont be lazy man do a good job
[06:32] <Kilos> the dust gets into every crack and groove, only strong air gets it out
[06:32] <Private_User> lol
[06:32] <Private_User> ok
[06:35] <Private_User> what if I use a bicycle pump and pump really fast could I accomplish the same?
[06:35] <Kilos> lol
[06:35] <Kilos> easier to go to garage
[06:35] <Private_User> LOL
[06:40] <Kilos> blow out the psu as well from both ends
[06:40] <Kilos> youll be surprised the dust that comes out
[06:47]  * Kilos switches to kde quick
[07:42] <Vince-0> !
[07:42] <Kilos> hi henkj nin
[07:42] <Kilos> Vince-0: too
[07:42] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[07:46] <Symmetria> sup
[07:46] <Symmetria> so, the hardware for the new mirror server has been ordered
[07:46] <Symmetria> and its arriving soon :)
[07:47] <Vince-0> !
[07:48] <Kilos> yay
[07:50] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[07:50] <Kilos> mobi too
[07:50] <theblazehen_mobi> hey kilos
[08:00] <Kilos> wbb
[08:13] <Symmetria> heh new mirror server is gigantic
[08:13] <Symmetria> I can mirror the internet on  it ;p
[08:18]  * Squirm looks around
[08:18] <Symmetria> heh we have stuck in 150tb of space
[08:18] <Symmetria> 192gigs of ram
[08:18] <Symmetria> and dual 6 core cpus 
[08:40] <henkj> Symmetria: 150TB in one server?
[08:40] <henkj> is that like 40x 4TB disks?
[08:55] <Symmetria> henkj basically yeah
[08:55] <Symmetria> in dell powervault enclosures
[09:07] <henkj> Symmetria: what raid?
[09:08] <Symmetria> henkj raid 5 + hotspare 
[09:09] <henkj> that's going to put a lot of strain on your disks
[09:21] <smile> hi :)
[10:18] <Symmetria> henk *shrug* if the disks die, we replace em
[10:26] <Squirm> the joys of raid 5
[10:38] <Squirm> Symmetria: how are things going up there?
[10:51] <Symmetria> all good :)
[10:51] <Symmetria> lol was in the mara this weekend
[10:51] <Symmetria> and had such an awesome time
[10:51] <Symmetria> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31/1614296_10152016875110528_1186152461_o.jpg <[10:52] <Symmetria> the ostrich caught the hyena trying to steal eggs and got mad 
[11:39] <Kilos> unknow host: maybe you mispelled it
[11:39] <Kilos> sigh
[11:42] <Vince-0> lolz
[12:44] <magespawn> good afternoon
[12:57] <inetpro> who are the RedHat / Centos dudes here?
[12:57]  * inetpro wants to play with Centos
[13:06] <Squirm> I want to be one
[13:06] <Squirm> :P
[13:06] <Squirm> only have my RHCSA though
[13:16] <Squirm> inetpro: why?
[13:59] <inetpro> Squirm: let me say I just want to widen my horizons
[13:59] <inetpro> been a long time since I used .rpm based solutions
[14:00] <inetpro> what I actually wanted to know quickly is what is the latest version of Centos but I found the answer already
[14:01] <inetpro> was just being lazy
[14:02] <inetpro> busy downloading the 4.2GB iso... yuck!
[14:05] <inetpro> but I see there is actually a MinimalCD as well
[14:05] <inetpro> anyway will have to look into that later
[14:05] <inetpro> so much for Centos
[14:06] <inetpro> guess I'm in the wrong channel to discuss it here :-)
[14:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn inetpro 
[14:13] <inetpro> Kilos: wb
[14:13] <inetpro> you been sleeping?
[14:13] <inetpro> very quiet here today
[14:14] <Kilos> yeah just woke
[14:14] <Kilos> hate waking up
[14:14] <Squirm> inetpro: you can get a CentOS live cd too
[14:36] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[14:36] <Golynx> Hey Kilos
[14:36] <Golynx> Finally got php to create files again :)
[14:37] <Kilos> good
[14:37] <Kilos> where theres a will , theres a way
[14:38] <Golynx> Took me 25 google tabs opened at the same time and 5 hours of tweaking , but it works :)
[14:38] <Kilos> whew
[14:40] <Golynx> I installed the whole lamp stack at once. mysql, php, apache2 . Got a good tutorial on the extra permissions you need to add, that worked perfectly. But files were missing and i had to replace them and so everything is good now
[14:41] <Kilos> well done
[14:41] <Kilos> dont you feel better
[14:41] <Golynx> ty :)
[14:42] <Golynx> ya i do :D
[14:42] <Kilos> cool
[14:43] <Golynx> On the ubuntu login screen i got 2 Xfce sessions. One is Xfce Session the other is Xubuntu Session. I asked yesterday at Xubuntu channel what that means , someone said they only differ in looks :/
[14:44] <Kilos> ah
[14:44] <Golynx> I only use the Xfce session though, Xubuntu session seems slower
[14:45] <magespawn> Hi Kilos 
[14:45] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[14:45] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[14:46] <Golynx> is trender still here
[14:47] <Kilos> nope
[14:47] <Golynx> oh , though i saw it here last night
[14:48] <Kilos> last night ya
[14:48] <Golynx> ok
[15:02] <magespawn> later all home time
[15:10] <theblazehen> hey all, Kilos 
[15:12] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[15:12] <Kilos> tell me how to format the storage section on a e220
[15:13] <Kilos> vmc there as read only
[15:13] <theblazehen> no idea.. sorry
[15:13] <theblazehen> brb
[15:13] <Kilos> but i cant get to see it to format the thing
[15:13] <Kilos> lol
[15:13] <Kilos> that frightened him off
[15:15] <theblazehen> Kilos, might not make the meet :(
[15:15] <Kilos> aw why
[15:16] <theblazehen> Mother in hospital, might visit then
[15:16] <Kilos> yes do that rather and come late its ok
[15:16] <Kilos> hope she gets well soon
[15:17] <theblazehen> yeah, she should be fine
[15:17] <theblazehen> Just in for monitoring
[15:17] <Kilos> ok
[15:17] <Kilos> family always comes first
[15:17] <theblazehen> yep
[15:19] <theblazehen> anything planned?
[15:20] <Kilos> we got the chat about the state of the internet in za
[15:20] <theblazehen> ah nice
[15:20] <Kilos> hopefully some solutions come up on how to improve
[15:20] <theblazehen> yeah
[15:27] <theblazehen> shit, gtg
[15:51] <inetpro> Squirm: ah, thanks for that, I didn't even think about it... thought it should be a life cd by default
[16:07] <Squirm> inetpro: well, I meant the 700mb live cd
[16:07]  * Squirm shrugs
[16:07] <Squirm> maybe that is a livecd
[16:19] <Symmetria> heh
[16:19] <Symmetria> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3265246294
[16:19] <Symmetria> only so slow though because I aint got a gigE switch inside my house right now, thats coming tomorrow
[16:19] <Symmetria> so running through a 100meg crap to my test machine
[16:54] <inetpro> Squirm: I ended up downloading the 398MB version before I left the office, will try installing it as a VM tomorrow
[16:54] <inetpro> this evening is ubuntu time
[16:55] <Kilos> yay
[17:36] <charl_> good evening
[17:36] <charl_> oh i am still an hour early
[17:36] <Kilos> hi charl_ Golynx 
[17:36] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[17:36] <charl_> how's it going
[17:37] <Kilos> ok ty and you
[17:37] <charl_> i'm good thanks
[17:42] <Golynx> hi Kilos and charl
[17:50] <Kilos> inetpro, thanks for the twit place reminders for the meeting
[17:51] <Kilos> and nuvolari on g+
[17:51] <charl_> does anyone have experience with this? http://openxcap.org/
[17:51] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:53] <Kilos> i shoulda put a reminder on the list. ai!
[18:08] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:12] <Symmetria> man I never realized even with all the fast connections Ive worked on just how having that kinda bandwidth at home changes the way you do things
[18:22]  * nuvolari tiptoes in
[18:22] <nuvolari> :O nearly forgot
[18:22] <charl_> i read some great news today: http://torrentfreak.com/isps-no-longer-have-to-block-the-pirate-bay-dutch-court-rules-140128/
[18:22] <Kilos> hiyamaia
[18:22] <nuvolari> hallo maiatoday 
[18:22] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[18:22] <maiatoday> hi   Kilos, nuvolari
[18:23] <Kilos> ai! hiya maiatoday 
[18:23] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.minutes
[18:23] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.minutes is http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-02-18-17-30-02.html
[18:23] <charl_> hi nuvolari 
[18:23] <charl_> hi maiatoday 
[18:23] <maiatoday> hi charl_
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/542/detail/
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget meeting.agenda
[18:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: Righto
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/
[18:25] <Maaz> nuvolari: If you say so
[18:26] <Golynx> hi nuvolari
[18:26] <Golynx> hi maiatoday
[18:26] <maiatoday> hi Golynx
[18:26] <nuvolari> how do I get the meeting minutes?
[18:26] <nuvolari> hi Golynx 
[18:27] <charl_> hi theblazehen_mobi 
[18:27] <nuvolari> hallo theblazehen_mobi 
[18:27] <theblazehen_mobi> hey charl
[18:27] <Kilos> wb theblazehen 
[18:27] <theblazehen_mobi> hey nuvolari
[18:27] <theblazehen_mobi> ty Kilos 
[18:28] <Golynx> wb theblazehen_mobi
[18:28] <theblazehen_mobi> at hospital... people so inconpetent its funny
[18:28] <theblazehen_mobi> hey Golynx 
[18:28] <Kilos> ai!
[18:28] <theblazehen_mobi> except for the part where mother almost died
[18:28] <nuvolari> oh, the meeting minutes areonly available afterwards :P
[18:28] <charl_> at hospital people are incompetent? that does not sound funny to me at all
[18:28] <charl_> i would be worried
[18:28] <theblazehen_mobi> charl_,  yeah...
[18:28] <Kilos> lol @ nuvolari 
[18:29] <charl_> those are the people who are supposed to look after your health
[18:29] <superfly> hi everyone
[18:29] <charl_> they should be the last to be incompetent
[18:29] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[18:29] <charl_> hi superfly 
[18:29] <theblazehen_mobi> hey superfly 
[18:29] <Kilos> superfly, look whos back
[18:29] <Golynx> hi superfly
[18:29]  * Kilos happy
[18:29] <superfly> Kilos: I double-booked myself tonight, but it's OK, I can squeeze it
[18:30] <nuvolari> ooh, I have an agenda item: Afrihost
[18:30] <nuvolari> which took a punch 
[18:30] <nuvolari> and I'm not sure how well they recover
[18:30] <nuvolari> hello superfly 
[18:31] <Kilos> afrihost are with mtn hey?
[18:31] <nuvolari> yeah oom 
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly LoCo Meeting - January 2014
[18:31]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[18:31] <Maaz> maiatoday: Righto
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic: introduction
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[18:32] <nuvolari> argh
[18:32] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:32] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[18:32] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:32] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:32] <theblazehen_mobi> Maaz, i am Jeandre Henderson
[18:32] <Maaz> theblazehen_mobi: Yessir
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[18:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[18:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[18:32] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[18:33] <nuvolari> Righto! 
[18:33] <Kilos> meeting time
[18:33] <nuvolari> Hello, good evening everyone!
[18:33] <charl_> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:33] <Maaz> charl_: Done
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, I signed already
[18:33] <nuvolari> It's nice to see you all again
[18:33] <inetpro> thanks nuvolari
[18:33] <nuvolari> If you are new here, a special welcome!
[18:33]  * Kilos apologises for not reminding the lists
[18:34] <nuvolari> If this is your first meeting, please note that we do record the meeting and the minutes will be available afterwards
[18:34] <Kilos> oh sorry inetpro 
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: you are welcome :-)
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <nuvolari> also, please identify yourself to Maaz by telling him who you are (Maaz: I am <yourname>)
[18:34] <Kilos> Golynx, see this is what a bot must do
[18:35] <Kilos> not just chat
[18:35] <nuvolari> no worries oom Kilos, I hope the people's reminders did what it should do
[18:35] <Golynx> Maaz: I am Gerrit Pas
[18:35] <Maaz> Golynx: Righto
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:36] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/716/detail/
[18:36] <Golynx> god Kilos
[18:36] <Golynx> good*
[18:36] <nuvolari> if you want to see what is up for discussion, please see the agenda
[18:37] <inetpro> eish!
[18:37] <nuvolari> and maybe mention something you would like to discuss under the Miscellaneous topic
[18:37] <nuvolari> met ys ja
[18:37]  * inetpro just noticed an item brought over from last meeting
[18:37] <Kilos> hi parkerdo 
[18:37] <superfly> nuvolari: I don't have a lot of time tonight, I need to go at about 21:30, can we try to keep things moving tonight?
[18:38] <inetpro> we always forget to follow up
[18:38] <parkerdo> Kilos: hi, how you doing man?
[18:38] <Kilos> good ty parkerdo and you
[18:38] <nuvolari> sure superfly 
[18:38] <superfly> ta
[18:38] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review previous minutes
[18:38] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:39] <parkerdo> Kilos: no complaints except i have an issue with an installation i am trying to sort out, maybe you could help?
[18:39] <nuvolari> ok, is there anything anyone wants to bring up from the past meeting/minutes?
[18:39] <Kilos> after the meeting parkerdo 
[18:39] <Kilos> you welcome to join in
[18:39] <maiatoday> I want to thank everyone for agreeing to move the meeting to Tuesday
[18:39] <nuvolari> parkerdo: welcome to our first IRC meeting for 2014 :)
[18:39] <parkerdo> Kilos: ok, will do and thanks
[18:39] <inetpro> maiatoday: good to see you here for a change 
[18:40] <Kilos> we love you maiatoday its been sad outa you here
[18:40] <nuvolari> *first irc loco meeting for 2014
[18:40] <nuvolari> you're welcome maiatoday 
[18:40]  * maiatoday am happy to be back
[18:40] <parkerdo> nuvolari: glad to be back. unfortunately i have forgotten how to announce myself. who is taking minutes for this meeting?
[18:40] <nuvolari> we'll try to have a date that accomodate as many as possible
[18:40] <nuvolari> parkerdo: maaz does
[18:41] <Kilos> parkerdo, type in maaz I am Name
[18:41] <nuvolari> (Maa: i am parkerdo)
[18:41] <nuvolari> *Maaz
[18:41] <parkerdo> Kilos: thank you guys
[18:41] <nuvolari> ok, nothing from the previous meeting's minutes?
[18:41] <parkerdo> maaz I am Dominic
[18:41] <Maaz> parkerdo: Righto
[18:42] <nuvolari> moving on
[18:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements 
[18:42] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements
[18:43] <superfly> Just one item of administrativia from me.
[18:43] <nuvolari> Hmm, are there any announcements and admin stuff to discuss?
[18:43] <nuvolari> ok, we're listening
[18:43] <nuvolari> er, reading
[18:43] <inetpro> our followers on both G+ and Twitter are growing slowly but steadily
[18:43] <maiatoday> I want to thank all the old and new chairs of this meeting for doing a fantastic job
[18:43] <superfly> Folks, don't forget that this channel is an official Ubuntu channel, and is governed by the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[18:43] <inetpro> superfly: good point
[18:44] <inetpro> we unfortunately had to deal with some nasty actions on Friday
[18:44] <superfly> By entering the channel, you agree to the CoC and are bound by it.
[18:44] <superfly> If you are unfamiliar with the CoC, you can read it on the Ubuntu site. I'll find the link for you.
[18:45] <superfly> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct
[18:45] <superfly> there you go.
[18:45] <inetpro> ty
[18:45] <nuvolari> what happened inetpro?
[18:45] <nuvolari> thanks superfly 
[18:46] <nuvolari> Maaz: ucoc is  http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/conduct 
[18:46] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[18:46] <superfly> I'm not entirely sure what happened, I didn't study the logs, but someone in particular was acting clearly in contravention of the CoC, and inetpro and I had to ban him from the channel multiple times (he was using anonymous proxies)
[18:47] <nuvolari> :( 
[18:47] <superfly> Anyway, it doesn't matter much now. Moving forward.
[18:47] <inetpro> +1
[18:47] <theblazehen_mobi> superfly, trender?
[18:48] <nuvolari> yeah, water under the bridge
[18:48] <nuvolari> any last points?
[18:48] <nuvolari> moving on
[18:49] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[18:49] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:49] <superfly> I don't know of anything, to be honest.
[18:49] <Kilos> nope
[18:50] <maiatoday> The next release is an LTS isn't it?
[18:50] <Kilos> yes
[18:50] <maiatoday> so we can start planning release parties even though it is only in april
[18:50] <nuvolari> I think there is something for DBNLUG on the horizon, just a year starter somewhere in feb
[18:51] <inetpro> no events on my list at the moment
[18:51] <nuvolari> Feb 8th, for anyone in DBN area
[18:51] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:52] <nuvolari> Maaz: New Local communities health check process
[18:52] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[18:52] <Kilos> Vince-0, did you log in here?
[18:52] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic New Local communities health check process
[18:52] <Maaz> Current Topic: New Local communities health check process
[18:52] <nuvolari> this topic was brought over from last year
[18:52] <nuvolari> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2013/08/25/new-local-communities-healthcheck/
[18:52] <inetpro> maybe maiatoday knows a bit more about this?
[18:53] <Kilos> wb magespawn log in please
[18:53] <nuvolari> "Every team shall be known as a LoCoteam, teams that were previously known as an “Approved LoCoteam” shall be known as a “Verified LoCoteam”."
[18:53] <superfly> I read up on that. It basically just sounds like they're renaming things to sound more inclusive
[18:53] <maiatoday> still sounds like a check every two years
[18:53] <maiatoday> so we have some time, I should check the deadlines
[18:54] <inetpro> maiatoday: please do
[18:54] <maiatoday> Maaz action maiatoday will check when we have to do a loco health check again
[18:54] <Maaz> maiatoday: Got it
[18:55] <inetpro> nuvolari: now time for the hot topic?
[18:55] <inetpro> of the day
[18:55] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:55] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[18:56] <nuvolari> agreed
[18:56] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic The current state of Internet in South Africa
[18:56] <Maaz> Current Topic: The current state of Internet in South Africa
[18:56] <nuvolari> superfly: the floor is yours
[18:56] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:56] <Maaz> Vince-0: Done
[18:56] <superfly> Right. Some quick questions, just 2 answers per question please.
[18:57] <Kilos> Xethron, login please
[18:57] <superfly> What was your first Internet connection, and when was that?
[18:57]  * superfly looks for raised hands
[18:57] <inetpro> superfly: work or home?
[18:57] <superfly> inetpro: Either
[18:57] <Kilos> gprs 2008
[18:57] <magespawn> Dial up 1994
[18:58] <inetpro> mine was a 64k line at work I think in 1995 for something like 300 people
[18:58] <superfly> What do you currently use to get online?
[18:58] <Kilos> 3g
[18:58]  * inetpro uses 3g via 8ta
[18:58] <nuvolari> joh, dialup, 56k modem, around 2002/3
[18:58] <nuvolari> currently using 3g via 8ta
[18:59] <magespawn> 3g adsl 1mb and 4mb uncapped unshaped
[18:59] <magespawn> The dial in 94 was 28.8
[18:59] <superfly> What are some of the other ways you got online?
[18:59] <Kilos> clee phone
[18:59] <Kilos> cell
[18:59] <nuvolari> mobile phone/opera mini :P
[19:00] <nuvolari> and irc, if that counts
[19:00] <inetpro> before the interwebs I used BBS dialup 
[19:00] <superfly> talking connections here :-)
[19:00] <magespawn> Internet cafe at the shopping center
[19:00] <superfly> Wow, inetpro, old school
[19:00] <nuvolari> inetpro: what's that?
[19:00] <superfly> What do you primarily use the Internet for today?
[19:00] <inetpro> even hosted my own BBS server 
[19:00] <Kilos> irc im and mail
[19:00] <Xethron> Maaz I am Bernhard
[19:01] <Maaz> Xethron: Okay
[19:01] <inetpro> Bulletin Board System
[19:01] <magespawn> I remember those
[19:01] <superfly> inetpro: rocking the geek points there
[19:01] <inetpro> just needed a phone line and a modem
[19:01] <Xethron> Yeah, I'm also on the 3G currently... Lines are too expensive :P
[19:01] <magespawn> Irc email file sharing vpn vps and webhosting
[19:01] <nuvolari> irc, mail, work(documents, documentation, development, research, apps), social networking
[19:01] <inetpro> and that was on a either 2400 or 9600 baud rate
[19:02] <inetpro> can't remember
[19:02] <maiatoday> yeah I seem to remember my first modem as also 9600 baud rate
[19:02] <superfly> In your current connection, what is most important to you: Speed, Cost or Bandwidth?
[19:02] <Kilos> cost
[19:02] <theblazehen_mobi> bandwidth
[19:02] <nuvolari> bandwidth
[19:03] <inetpro> stability, cost, bandwidth, speed - in that order
[19:03] <superfly> nuvolari: , theblazehen_mobi: So, 1 meg uncapped vs 10 meg capped at 10 gigs?
[19:03] <Kilos> what is bandwidth
[19:03] <superfly> Kilos: how much you can download
[19:03] <Kilos> ah ty
[19:04] <maiatoday> stability, cost, speed
[19:04] <theblazehen_mobi> superfly,  1 mbit
[19:04] <Kilos> limited only by cost
[19:04] <Xethron> cost, bandwidth, speed - in that order 
[19:04] <superfly> inetpro and magespawn, since you guys have been online the longest, what do you think has changed the most?
[19:05] <inetpro> hmm.. tough question
[19:05] <nuvolari> well, to be honest, somewhere inbetween, but as I've realized, you can run out of bandwidth when you have a quick connection that's capped. I'll rather take something slower, but still acceptale, and as much bandwidth as that speed can consume in a time period
[19:05] <magespawn> speed and cost, so better value for money, and wider access
[19:06] <inetpro> thinking about this, obviously speed has improved by a lot, but price somehow got stuck somewhere
[19:06] <superfly> inetpro: you reckon the price could still come down?
[19:07] <inetpro> superfly: it has to
[19:07] <superfly> What about the relationship between ADSL and 3G ?
[19:07] <Xethron> Stability is also still a problem
[19:07] <Kilos> in mybroadband today they said telkom dropping adsl cost another 15%
[19:07] <superfly> according to the latest statistics, there are 1.1 million ADSL subscribers, and 12 million on 3G
[19:07] <inetpro> I think 3G has become very usable though not everywhere
[19:08] <inetpro> anything outside a large city is just about useless
[19:08] <superfly> Why are there more than 10 times the number of 3G subscribers?
[19:08] <Kilos> cellphones
[19:08] <Xethron> 3G is great because you don't need a telkom line and everything. So it works out cheaper when you're not torrenting...
[19:08] <inetpro> stolen landlines
[19:08] <superfly> Do you think that some of those 3G people might also have ADSL?
[19:08] <inetpro> cable theft
[19:09] <Xethron> Most people I assume don't use that much, so 3G is cheaper for the "average person"
[19:09] <nuvolari> IMO 3G moved mountains in terms of internet availability
[19:09] <inetpro> ADSL is cheaper 
[19:09] <superfly> nuvolari: I agree. I had 3G for a long time (in compared to the time I've had ADSL)
[19:09] <inetpro> if you have a line
[19:09] <Kilos> not with phome line costs as well inetpro 
[19:09] <magespawn> I have both
[19:10] <Kilos> phone
[19:10] <inetpro> you can get very decent uncapped packages on ADSL
[19:10] <magespawn> Just taken a new data contract with cell c
[19:10] <Xethron> Oh, and when renting an apartment, you need the owners permission to get a line installed, and you need to take out a contract with Telkom. 3G these days you don't even need a modem or contract. You can just do it from your phone...
[19:10] <Kilos> you gotta add the costs of having the telkom line before you even get adsl
[19:10] <nuvolari> I'm still renting a place, so for me to have a fixed line is a hassle
[19:10] <inetpro> uncapped on 3g is very pricey
[19:11] <superfly> Do you even get uncapped?
[19:11] <inetpro> yes
[19:11] <superfly> didn't know that
[19:11] <nuvolari> which provider?
[19:11] <Xethron> I know MTN had an uncapped deal. But it wasn't truly uncapped. However, if you cloned the sim, your 2nd sim will be uncapped. :P
[19:12] <Xethron> But the deal isn't available anymore
[19:12] <superfly> Last question from me: If you had to sum up Internet in SA in one sentence, what would you say?
[19:12] <inetpro> superfly: 3g uncapped is based on a FUP I think
[19:12] <inetpro> FUP = Fair Use Policy
[19:12] <Kilos> better than no internet
[19:13] <Kilos> my connecting is stable and not too slow
[19:13] <nuvolari> Internet in South Africa came a long way, but hefty prices prevents user happines.
[19:14] <inetpro> MTN had uncapped light at a very reasonable price but after 3GB they cut you down to 128kbps
[19:14] <superfly> nuvolari: Well put.
[19:14] <inetpro> unfortunately they also stopped that option as well
[19:14] <superfly> Anyone else want to veture their opinion?
[19:15] <Xethron> I think nuvolari said it best. And the internet is limiting growth and education esp if you are in the IT industry...
[19:15] <Kilos> Vince-0, some input here
[19:15] <magespawn> Stability for mobile and as always price
[19:15] <Vince-0> hmm
[19:15] <Vince-0> rip off? sums it up
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <superfly> Vince-0: Perhaps, but remember that most other countries were in our position at some or other stage. We're just lagging behind everyone as usual.
[19:16] <inetpro> superfly: nice set of questions, now what to do about this? 
[19:16] <inetpro> Or am I jumping ahead again?
[19:16] <superfly> inetpro: I don't have any solutions, I'm afraid.
[19:17] <Vince-0> lagging like the middle ages
[19:17] <Golynx> For as long as there is corruption in SA there will be no stable growth for in the internet for all.
[19:17] <inetpro> I think we've come a long way but we could have gone further by now
[19:17] <Kilos> yip superfly solutions
[19:18] <Kilos> where do we get solutions and how
[19:18] <inetpro> while price of data may have come down a bit, voice calls have not come down enough 
[19:18] <superfly> I think everyone will agree that we're getting there. Unfortunately a number of factors have held us back in the past, including the very government that is supposed to help us progress.
[19:19] <nuvolari> An observation: I am sure that a shortage in technical staff/knowledge is also helping with the lag of progress here. I might be wrong, but most of government jobs are for the money, not the advancement of the community.
[19:19] <Kilos> we need to email CEO's and ministers
[19:19] <superfly> But I think that voicing our opinions and reminding the government of how important ICT and Internet is will help to move things forward.
[19:19] <nuvolari> +1
[19:19] <Kilos> superfly, +1
[19:20] <inetpro> but data will have to come down significantly if we want our people to compete with international
[19:20] <Kilos> we  gotta lobby the high ups
[19:20] <superfly> Alrighty, that's me done.
[19:20] <superfly> I don't have anything more to say :-)
[19:20] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[19:21] <nuvolari> thanks for a great input superfly!
[19:21] <inetpro> hmm... I think a lot more needs to be said still
[19:22] <Kilos> pinpoint the powers that be and we can go further inetpro 
[19:22] <Kilos> forget the peeps on the ladder
[19:22] <inetpro> perhaps a follow up at next meeting?
[19:22] <Kilos> yip
[19:23] <Kilos> or even in between
[19:23] <nuvolari> ok,
[19:23] <Kilos> those impromptu meets the monkey was supposed to start
[19:23] <nuvolari> Maaz: action follow up at next meeting on the state of Internet in South Africa
[19:23] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[19:23] <nuvolari> ack
[19:23] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed follow up at next meeting on the state of Internet in South Africa
[19:23] <Maaz> Agreed: follow up at next meeting on the state of Internet in South Africa
[19:24] <nuvolari> hmm, eyesonly is not present
[19:24] <nuvolari> does anyone want to discuss the topic "Ways to help the Ubuntu Community" that was requested by eyesonly?
[19:24] <Kilos> ok so its in everyones hand to pinpoint the peeps to approach about this
[19:25] <nuvolari> we're nearly running out of time
[19:25] <nuvolari> I don't have anything else to add under Miscellaneous
[19:25] <nuvolari> Anyone?
[19:25] <Kilos> nope
[19:26] <inetpro> next time
[19:26] <nuvolari> ok
[19:26] <Kilos> just think about release parties for next lts
[19:26] <nuvolari> ok, for the next meeting?
[19:26] <Trixar_za> You guys are having a metting? Oo
[19:27] <Kilos> lol hi Trixar_za 
[19:27] <Kilos> read the logs
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed discuss release party planning at the next IRC meeting
[19:27] <Maaz> Agreed: discuss release party planning at the next IRC meeting
[19:27] <inetpro> Trixar_za: you are late :-)
[19:27] <Trixar_za> I ask because normally nuvolari is as quiet as a bum
[19:27] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:27] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27] <nuvolari> ag voesek!
[19:27] <nuvolari> :P
[19:27] <magespawn> Brb
[19:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:28] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:28] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[19:28] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[19:28]  * inetpro votes for nuvolari again
[19:28] <nuvolari> I'm happy to chair again, unless someone wants a try?
[19:28] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[19:28] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[19:28] <Kilos> yip[ nuvolari its yours
[19:29] <Trixar_za> Now only if Maaz was female... and human. Well, then we'd have a very silent channel.
[19:29] <Kilos> but more time during the month is good too
[19:29] <nuvolari> okies
[19:29] <inetpro> nuvolari: good job!
[19:29] <Trixar_za> I vote for nuvolari too
[19:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed Chair next meeting: nuvolari 
[19:29] <Maaz> Agreed: Chair next meeting: nuvolari
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: maiatoday is still not herself?
[19:29] <Kilos> date?
[19:29] <inetpro> maiatoday: yo are way too quiet
[19:29] <Kilos> bit older now inetpro 
[19:30] <maiatoday> I'm ok, just getting the hang of things again
[19:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next meeting: Tuesday, Feb 25th, 2014
[19:30] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting: Tuesday, Feb 25th, 2014
[19:30] <nuvolari> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/728/detail/
[19:30] <nuvolari> ^^ next meeting page
[19:30] <nuvolari> I need to add the agenda items
[19:30] <maiatoday> the google+ reminders really help me :D so thanks to people doing those admins too
[19:31] <inetpro> maiatoday: yw
[19:31] <nuvolari> Allrighty!
[19:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic closing
[19:31] <Maaz> Current Topic: closing
[19:31] <nuvolari> Thank you for attending everyone
[19:31] <nuvolari> we are running over time by a couple of seconds just now
[19:31] <Kilos> nuvolari, ty again for a good job
[19:31] <magespawn> back
[19:31] <nuvolari> so I think we did well :->
[19:31] <nuvolari> wb magespawn 
[19:32] <Kilos> thanks for attending everyone
[19:32] <magespawn> ty
[19:32] <nuvolari> you're welcome oom Kilos 
[19:32] <inetpro> that was a nice busy first meeting for 2014
[19:32] <maiatoday> thanks for chairing nuvolari
[19:32] <nuvolari> indeed inetpro 
[19:32] <Kilos> yeah
[19:32] <nuvolari> my pleasure maiatoday :)
[19:32] <Kilos> nuvolari, rev the monkey too about his impromptu meets
[19:33] <Kilos> you durbanites are slacking off
[19:33] <nuvolari> Ok, that's it! Thank you everyone. All of the best and until next time!
[19:33] <maiatoday> thanks all
[19:33] <nuvolari> o/
[19:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:33] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:33] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-01-28-18-31-37.html
[19:33] <Kilos> update topic inetpro 
[19:34] <Kilos> oh my
[19:34] <inetpro> done
[19:34] <Kilos> well done
[19:34] <Kilos> fastest ever
[19:36] <magespawn> on fire
[19:37]  * Trixar_za puts magespawn out
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <magespawn> guys can you tell  what you see when you visit bonamanzi.co.za
[19:37] <magespawn> hah
[19:38] <magespawn> i was referring to inetpro
[19:38] <Kilos> looks good magespawn 
[19:38] <nuvolari> we finished roughly 1 minute earlier than the last
[19:38] <magespawn> can you find a booking page anywhere on that site?
[19:38]  * Kilos would like to know what the fly is gonna do with that info
[19:39] <magespawn> speedy and busy
[19:39] <Kilos> accomodation?
[19:39] <Kilos> contact us?
[19:40] <Kilos> should be in the contact us button
[19:40] <Kilos> ask the ineternet experts to help
[19:41] <Kilos> shame poor parkerdo left
[19:41] <Kilos> he is in south west i think
[19:41] <Kilos> where they live off fishing
[19:43] <magespawn> we have a booking that 'arrived'on the in house hotel management system from online, but we do not have online booking, so i am bit confused
[19:43] <Kilos> ai!
[19:44] <Kilos> you need to add a bookings page then
[19:44] <Kilos> booking button
[19:45] <nuvolari> joh, feb and march both on the 25th
[19:45] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:46] <Kilos> hoe gaanit nuvolari ?
[19:46] <inetpro> magespawn: maybe someone else making the money on another site?
[19:46] <nuvolari> besig oom!
[19:46] <Kilos> nee man
[19:46] <nuvolari> byna van vanaand se meeting vergeet :-/
[19:46] <Kilos> jy moet meer hier wees
[19:46] <nuvolari> ok, event detail updated
[19:46] <nuvolari> ek probeer oom!
[19:46] <Kilos> ja ek was sleg en het nie gepos nie
[19:46] <Kilos> skuus
[19:47] <Kilos> probeer harder
[19:47] <Kilos> mindr heli vlieg
[19:47] <inetpro> time to hit the hay
[19:48] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:48] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[19:48] <magespawn> maybe inetpro but where and how is it linking to our in house systems?
[19:48] <Kilos> ty for everything
[19:48] <inetpro> magespawn: no idea
[19:48] <Kilos> traceback
[19:49] <magespawn> this is a good one
[19:49] <Kilos> follow the trail
[19:49] <magespawn> ask the customer for the link that they used
[19:49] <Kilos> yeah
[19:49] <Kilos> haha
[19:49] <Kilos> fix the site page first
[19:49] <magespawn> there is a bonamanzi.com but that is a guest house in Burgersfort
[19:50] <Kilos> then say you supposed to go to bookings not the kitchen
[19:50] <Kilos> aha
[19:50] <magespawn> what is wrong there Kilos 
[19:50] <magespawn> ?
[19:50] <Kilos> add a bookings button
[19:50] <Kilos> large one
[19:50] <Kilos> bright red
[19:51] <Kilos> its the common internet prob. page to page to page to find things
[19:51] <Kilos> put bookings on first page
[19:57] <magespawn> there is plans to add online bookings, but we need to clarify a few things first
[19:58] <Kilos> ah
[19:59] <Kilos> this 64 bit 12.04 unity actually runs well
[19:59] <Kilos> but cant add the 64 bit graphics card then my 2 other 32bit drives dont work here
[20:00] <Kilos> Vince-0, am i doing something wrong
[20:01] <Kilos> as in, should the 32bit systems be able to use the 64bit graphics card
[20:04] <Vince-0> hi!
[20:04] <theblazehen> hey Vince-0 
[20:04] <Kilos> lol
[20:04] <theblazehen> bit late..
[20:04] <Vince-0> soz, I've been lurking with work here
[20:05] <Kilos> aw sorry for bugging you then
[20:06] <Vince-0> thats ok
[20:07] <Vince-0> I don't think its an issue running 32bit CPU and 64bit graphics cards
[20:07] <Kilos> ill try again then but when i first tried it i got blank screens
[20:07] <Kilos> ty
[20:07] <Kilos> will let you know what broke
[20:08] <theblazehen> cya guys
[20:08] <Kilos> toods theblazehen 
[20:09] <magespawn> back again
[20:10] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[20:23] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:41] <magespawn> good night all