| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, got any idea how his application went? | 00:18 |
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| ochosi | i'm kinda busy tomorrow, if someone could tell elfy that his test-case for light-locker is good plz | 00:28 |
| knome | was there a branch for it? | 00:28 |
| ochosi | here: http://pastebin.com/rKmcbR2a | 00:29 |
| ochosi | :) | 00:29 |
| ochosi | that's what he pinged me about today | 00:29 |
| knome | that's not a branch :P | 00:29 |
| ochosi | oh rly?? :D | 00:29 |
| ochosi | brainwash: have you seen the nice annoying gtk3.10 cut buttons bug yet? | 00:30 |
| knome | ochosi, send an email to him and tell him to propose a merge :P | 00:30 |
| brainwash | ochosi: no, greybird? | 00:30 |
| knome | or, actually, blah | 00:30 |
| knome | i could do that myself right now | 00:30 |
| knome | (push to production) | 00:30 |
| ochosi | thanks knome | 00:31 |
| ochosi | brainwash: try to launch synaptic with any theme that doesn't use pixmap-buttons | 00:32 |
| ochosi | (e.g. greybird, numix, ...) | 00:32 |
| ochosi | bluebird and ambiance work | 00:32 |
| ochosi | (hint: bottom border is cut off) | 00:32 |
| ochosi | probably a bug in the default engine | 00:32 |
| ochosi | anyway, g2g | 00:32 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 00:32 |
| brainwash | ochosi: good night | 00:33 |
| brainwash | ochosi: buttons in synaptic look fine, greybird-git | 00:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, brainwash: I think the bug is mainly GtkDialog, GtkMessageDialog | 01:10 |
| Unit193 | knome: Sooo, this is a terrible mockup: https://paste.unit193.net/?f88fb53e8fe93467#L1Shvn0vUTtFh07xE59OtDuWQHUO8aYFcjJfUpdkRzQ= | 01:25 |
| Unit193 | Honestly? I have no clue what'll happen with tasksel, I have no way of testing it. | 01:28 |
| knome | hmm. | 01:28 |
| knome | just email the list with whatever you have, so we can get the discussion going | 01:29 |
| knome | i don't know enough to judge the technical issues this or that way | 01:29 |
| Unit193 | Yes, but you can ask questions that any normal person would, so I can put it in the text to begin with. :P | 01:30 |
| knome | hah | 01:30 |
| Unit193 | I'm too close to the issue to know what everyone would ask. Also, can you somehow make it magically better worded? | 01:30 |
| Unit193 | (Which is why I shouldn't help with marketing. :P ) | 01:31 |
| knome | hah, i can help with that. | 01:31 |
| knome | dump it on a pad | 01:31 |
| Unit193 | That paste has comments enabled, but sure. | 01:31 |
| knome | comments are meh compared to editing the actual content :) | 01:32 |
| Unit193 | http://openetherpad.org/p/xubuntucore | 01:32 |
| Unit193 | Woah, waaaaait. I see where this is going, all the blame on "Unit193" | 01:38 |
| Unit193 | :P | 01:38 |
| knome | hah | 01:38 |
| bluesabre | this happens every time | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | :) | 01:39 |
| bluesabre | Unit193 is our secret weapon with getting minimal stuff and xmir | 01:41 |
| knome | wait, that doesn't make sense | 01:42 |
| Unit193 | knome: It happens because of how things work, apt-get install gets the package and everything depended on. Tasksel will select the task (xubuntu-desktop^) with installs all the packages in the task taking into account the blacklist as well. | 01:42 |
| bluesabre | its a bit contradictory :) | 01:42 |
| knome | Unit193, so why do we mull on it? :P | 01:43 |
| Unit193 | Because it's different, we can tell people to only use tasksel or apt-get install xubuntu-core^, but that's not going to cover all the bases, or the main one. | 01:44 |
| knome | i'm not understanding the problem | 01:44 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Simply because I never know what's going on. ;) Also, new xmir images are actually usable until they crashed. | 01:44 |
| Unit193 | knome: OK... | 01:44 |
| knome | it's also almost 4am :P | 01:44 |
| knome | why do we need to consider that issue any further? | 01:45 |
| knome | isn't it just ok to mark those packages as depends? | 01:45 |
| knome | if not, what's the workaround? | 01:45 |
| Unit193 | Sure, but "Xubuntu" will work fine without some of them. :P | 01:45 |
| Unit193 | (Meaning, you can get more minimal.) | 01:45 |
| knome | of course. | 01:45 |
| knome | but we aren't trying to be minimal-minimal | 01:46 |
| knome | just xubuntu-minimal | 01:46 |
| knome | which doesn't mean we'll rip your pants off if you give us a chance. | 01:46 |
| knome | so the "problem" is that by depending on those packages, we're introducing more stuff than we need? | 01:46 |
| Unit193 | Basically. | 01:47 |
| knome | but aren't we doing that by installing thunar... | 01:47 |
| Unit193 | "Problem" is that tasksel'd xubuntu-core will be a bit different than apt-get install'd xubuntu-core. Yes. | 01:48 |
| knome | ok, but that's true for -desktop as well | 01:48 |
| knome | what can we do about it? | 01:48 |
| Unit193 | xfce4-terminal isn't really needed either. Well, we can try to strip out all () packages, but not sure if that'd do it. | 01:48 |
| Unit193 | xubuntu-desktop doesn't matter as much because that's expected. | 01:49 |
| knome | aha? | 01:49 |
| Unit193 | You install the livecd or by the menu option in the mini.iso, thus nothing is needed to fix it. | 01:49 |
| knome | okay... | 01:49 |
| Unit193 | So, all good? | 01:50 |
| knome | well i think i understand a bit more now :P | 01:50 |
| knome | but i don't still understand the section on the mail | 01:50 |
| knome | what you want to say is, the two things do not give the same results, right? | 01:51 |
| knome | but you don't know how they could be made to give the same results? | 01:51 |
| knome | and that it is a probably bad thing, because users are able to install the -core package with both ways, and both of them are just as correct? | 01:52 |
| Unit193 | 1. These are marked as a dep so we get what we want even by doing --no-install-recommends. 2. We should be installing by --no-install-recommends. 3. Tasksel and --no-install-recommends may be a tad different, but nothing major. | 01:52 |
| Unit193 | Comment in the seed file explains: If you are using tasksel, you should get packages in parenthesis. If following instructions with apt-get, you will not. | 01:53 |
| knome | okay | 01:53 |
| * Unit193 isn't good at being clear, but knows what he means. :P | 01:54 | |
| knome | is that good now? :) | 01:56 |
| knome | dunno, i need to go to bed | 02:00 |
| knome | talk to you later, and you can always also bother pleia2 | 02:00 |
| knome | nighty! | 02:00 |
| Unit193 | Cool, thanks. | 02:01 |
| * Unit193 looks. | 02:01 | |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Ooooh, did you review the seed? :) | 02:06 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I haven't | 02:06 |
| bluesabre | but I assume its probably good | 02:06 |
| * bluesabre hopes that doesn't come back to bite him later | 02:06 | |
| * Unit193 stamped it approved by bluesabre. | 02:07 | |
| bluesabre | crap | 02:07 |
| Unit193 | It's created by me, it's likely insane. :D | 02:07 |
| bluesabre | :D | 02:07 |
| Unit193 | Ugh, indicator-sound having dumb depends, means you have to hold the package and upgrade manually or disable recommends system wide. :/ | 05:25 |
| elfy | knome: unless I hear different - going to put lightlocker in xfce core -even if it isn't - so it gets dragged into a not yet made testing call - the power one is in there as well for the moment | 07:37 |
| elfy | it can be tidied up later before unreal unicorn testing starts | 07:38 |
| Unit193 | Hrm, might be nicer to remove xscreensaver for testing of lightlocker. | 07:38 |
| elfy | have you read the testcase? | 07:38 |
| elfy | oh | 07:39 |
| elfy | yes | 07:39 |
| Unit193 | Not yet, haven't seen it. | 07:39 |
| elfy | had a note in the one I've got here to do just that :p | 07:39 |
| elfy | but it wasn't in the paste ochosi had - that knome saw and used :p | 07:39 |
| elfy | added that to the tracker - but not trunk | 07:40 |
| elfy | ty Unit193 - made me look :) | 07:41 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 07:55 |
| elfy | once it's properly in then I'll remove it | 07:55 |
| Unit193 | elfy: You see the core proposal pad? (Pretty sure it's not your thing, but meh.) | 08:41 |
| elfy | Unit193: not seen it no - might not be mine - but I know a couple of people that might be interested enough to test it | 08:41 |
| elfy | and I'd look at least :) | 08:43 |
| elfy | bluesabre: looking at menulibre now - highlighting accessories then adding launcher - I'd be expecting it to put the new launcher in accessories - but it appears to want to have it seperate from existing menu categories | 08:51 |
| elfy | is that right>? and does what I've said make sense? | 08:52 |
| elfy | is the manual half done perhaps so I can look at the draft | 08:52 |
| ochosi | elfy: light-locker test case looks good btw | 09:05 |
| elfy | thanks - saw all that in the backlog eventually | 09:06 |
| elfy | couldn't work out how it had got there when it was still sitting here lol | 09:06 |
| elfy | ochosi: I'll try and get it into the tracker today - there'll be a call soon for the set it's going to live with for the moment - or do you want me to all for it specifically | 09:13 |
| elfy | done | 09:27 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 09:55 |
| elfy | hi slickymaster | 09:56 |
| slickymaster | hi elfy | 09:56 |
| elfy | slickymaster: started looking at menulibre this morning for testcase - but I can't work it lol, is there a draft/working copy of the docs for it? | 09:57 |
| slickymaster | elfy: not yet. I was planning on starting the menulibre docs as soon as I finish the mugshot's, which I think it will by the end of this week | 10:01 |
| elfy | ok | 10:01 |
| elfy | I'll wait for the answer from sean then | 10:03 |
| slickymaster | elfy: need a favour from you | 10:18 |
| elfy | if I can do it then I of course will :) | 10:18 |
| slickymaster | I've this poor english sentence: "If you want to use a close-up photography of you!" | 10:19 |
| slickymaster | can you reword it for mr, please | 10:19 |
| slickymaster | me ^^ | 10:19 |
| elfy | context? | 10:19 |
| elfy | slickymaster: ^^ | 10:19 |
| ali12341 | "If you want, use a close-up photograph of yourself!" | 10:20 |
| slickymaster | I'll give you the link | 10:20 |
| * slickymaster curses his internet connection | 10:20 | |
| ali12341 | but this may not mean what you intended, so, context... | 10:20 |
| slickymaster | elfy, here you go: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs:usage#webcam_images_captures | 10:20 |
| elfy | aah ok - yea like ali12341 says ^^ | 10:21 |
| elfy | no | 10:21 |
| slickymaster | ali12341: I think you've nail it | 10:21 |
| ali12341 | maybe | 10:21 |
| slickymaster | yeah, Thank you guys | 10:21 |
| ali12341 | you're documenting mugshot - there's no reason why the user has to take a picture of themselves | 10:22 |
| elfy | If you want to use a close-up photograph of yourself, then after clicking the image button, choose ... | 10:22 |
| ali12341 | what i wrote does not fit the context at all | 10:23 |
| slickymaster | ali12341: well, the all idea behind mugshot is to ease the choosing of a profile image, and that's just one of the possibilities | 10:24 |
| elfy | If you want to use a close-up photograph of yourself, then after clicking the image button, choose ... | 10:26 |
| elfy | that should work in the context | 10:26 |
| ali12341 | yes | 10:26 |
| slickymaster | yes, elfy. I think you're right | 10:27 |
| slickymaster | thanks | 10:27 |
| elfy | welcome - though you'll just get me and ali12341 arguing about English :p | 10:27 |
| ali12341 | i should rope my brother in to writing documentation. he's a technical writer. | 10:28 |
| ali12341 | he doesn't use linux at all though | 10:28 |
| slickymaster | :) that's good, it's a way to improve my english | 10:28 |
| elfy | ali12341: I keep meaning to get a mate to do the Gallego translation for us - he uses Xubuntu amongst other things | 10:35 |
| knome | elfy, is the test in tracker correct now? | 10:44 |
| knome | FYI, raring aka 13.04 is EOL now | 10:47 |
| bluesabre | elfy, yeah, that makes sense. I wasn't sure what the preferred method for that would be. You can use the up and down buttons to move an item into an open directory though | 10:50 |
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| knome | !team | just a reminder, keep your blueprint work item statuses up-to-date! | 11:28 |
| ubottu | just a reminder, keep your blueprint work item statuses up-to-date!: bluesabre, elfy, GridCube, jjfrv8, knome, lderan, micahg, mr_pouit, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, skellat, slickymaster, Unit193 | 11:28 |
| Unit193 | Do I have one? | 11:29 |
| knome | yep | 11:29 |
| knome | [Unit193] Work with GTK3 indicators packaging | 11:29 |
| knome | you can take more, there are items that are still assigned to teams | 11:29 |
| Unit193 | Heh, not what I was thinking. :P | 11:30 |
| knome | also, team, if you've finished a work item or marked a bug "fix released", please make sure you have assigned yourself to the item/bug if at all appropriate, so we can track better who did what | 11:31 |
| knome | [xubuntu-doc] Write documentation for GTK3 indicators: BLOCKED | 11:35 |
| knome | any reason why that couldn't be TODO? | 11:35 |
| ali12341 | not that i know of | 11:36 |
| ali12341 | the user interface won't change, just backend stuff | 11:36 |
| knome | yep | 11:36 |
| knome | marked that as TODO then, ta | 11:36 |
| ali12341 | although i guess it's depending on someone deciding which ones will actually ship | 11:36 |
| knome | ali12341, also, feel free to pick it up if you wish ;) | 11:37 |
| * knome shrugs | 11:37 | |
| ali12341 | i use them all but i can see that they're not all "ready" | 11:37 |
| ali12341 | eg the ones with broken control panels | 11:37 |
| knome | marking back as BLOCKED :P | 11:37 |
| knome | Unit193, was there anything you actually needed to do with the gtk3 indicators packaging? | 11:39 |
| knome | and, are we still testing the indicators from PPA, or is the new stuff uploaded to the main repositories? | 11:39 |
| Unit193 | Not that I know of... | 11:39 |
| knome | removing that work item then, but for the sake of it, assigning you: [unit193] Create specification for the xubuntu-core metapackage: INPROGRESS | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | I've added several branches to the 14.04 topic: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu | 11:41 |
| knome | bluesabre, ta ta | 11:41 |
| knome | [xubuntu-dev] Refresh xubuntu_set-accountsservice-user-bg.patch to work with Xfdesktop4.11: DONE | 11:41 |
| knome | who done that? | 11:41 |
| bluesabre | ochosi or Noskcaj, maybe? | 11:41 |
| knome | yeah, but that doesn't help | 11:42 |
| knome | stupid team, not taking credits for things they did | 11:42 |
| Unit193 | ochosi | 11:42 |
| knome | [xubuntu-team] Discuss about technical guidelines in the Strategy Document: TODO | 11:43 |
| Unit193 | FWIW I refreshed the nautilus one. :P | 11:43 |
| knome | Unit193, ^ eh, your area | 11:43 |
| Unit193 | Eh? | 11:43 |
| knome | Unit193, there was some discussions to review the seed composition stuff and technical limitations for new packages | 11:43 |
| knome | i think it was brought up by skellat though | 11:43 |
| knome | if none of you developers raise that up, it'll be postponed | 11:44 |
| knome | developers or Unit193 | 11:44 |
| knome | ;) | 11:44 |
| knome | or skellat | 11:44 |
| * bluesabre votes Unit193 | 11:44 | |
| knome | yes, i think that would be a good pick | 11:44 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Remember that I dislike python, right? ;) | 11:45 |
| bluesabre | sure | 11:45 |
| knome | Unit193, well there's probably no way going back now, but... :P | 11:45 |
| knome | we'd need the guidelines updated to what we've done | 11:45 |
| knome | (not really the right way to do it, but...) | 11:45 |
| bluesabre | Unit193 can help me port catfish, menulibre, and mugshot to vala or C | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | should be done by next lts, 16.04 | 11:46 |
| knome | that's fine, i won't be leading this ship any more then ;) | 11:47 |
| knome | leading/steering | 11:47 |
| knome | tbh, the aforementioned changes to the strategy document barely concerns me either, so whatever, do what you want ;) | 11:48 |
| knome | (not really, but it's more up to the team what they want than me) | 11:48 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre, knome, http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs are done and ready for your review/approval/suggestions. Please ping me your feedback and/or changes you see as neede | 14:40 |
| slickymaster | needed ^^ยช | 14:40 |
| micahg | hrm, will try to review some of the outstanding branches later | 15:11 |
| slickymaster | another thing, bluesabre, assuming that the mugshot documentation is alright, there's one thing you might want to update, which is the applications man pages. | 15:47 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre: maybe adding a SEE ALSO section informing that the full documentation for Mugshot is available online at http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs | 15:48 |
| slickymaster | application's ^^^ | 15:48 |
| pleia2 | removing link to raring docs from our doc site since it's EOL today (I'll still keep the directory up though) | 18:19 |
| knome | pleia2, already removed the mention on /help | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | cool | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | also filed bug 1273798 that I'll get to this week | 18:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1273798 in Xubuntu Website "Copy brand assets to static.xubuntu.org" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273798 | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | if there's other stuff we should add to static, feel free to lmk, but we don't have a ton of space (only a few gigs on that server, we told them it wouldn't be much :)) | 18:25 |
| knome | "only a few gigs" | 18:28 |
| knome | so we can store a gig of at pics? | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | *cat | 18:30 |
| knome | yes that! | 18:30 |
| genii | I sort of find it amusing, since the XFCE thing is the mouse | 18:36 |
| knome | well of course those would be pics where cats are humiliated, with funny hats and stuff | 18:39 |
| genii | I guess that could work :) | 18:40 |
| pleia2 | haha | 18:42 |
| elfy | knome: yep it is | 19:31 |
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| brainwash | sergio-br2: we might need an upstream bug report for bug 1271891 | 21:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1271891 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "Desktop icons does not fit well in xubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271891 | 21:02 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 21:02 |
| brainwash | basically it always helps to also write a report upstream and link it to the launchpad one | 21:03 |
| brainwash | thanks | 21:04 |
| sergio-br2 | brainwash, there is a way to link "officially" to bug reports in launchpad, but i don't how to do that. | 21:33 |
| slickymaster | night all | 22:13 |
| brainwash | sergio-br2: simply click on the "+ Also affects project" link below the list of affected packages | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | slickymaster: thanks for the suggestion | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | knome: looks like the sru docs went it | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | (in | 23:17 |
| knome | yep | 23:17 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre, did you get to review the mugshot docs yet? | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | slickymaster: I just now got back | 23:18 |
| slickymaster | ok | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | I'll check it out shortly though, thanks for all your work | 23:21 |
| slickymaster | np bluesabre. If you're ok with them, we have to start the next step, which is to port them to docbook format | 23:23 |
| slickymaster | bluesabre, and also start to think in the MenuLibre documentation | 23:24 |
| bluesabre | yep, that's going to be the fun part :) | 23:30 |
| knome | slickymaster, for xubuntu docs, i think we're mostly interested in a short version of the "choosing a profile image" and "profile data" sections | 23:35 |
| slickymaster | just that, nothing regarding the installation? | 23:35 |
| knome | "... are installed and regularly used ..." | 23:35 |
| knome | how's that probed? | 23:35 |
| knome | why installation? we're including it in the seed | 23:36 |
| knome | so it's ready to use in the system, just need to tell where the user can find it :) | 23:37 |
| slickymaster | knome, "... are installed and regularly used ..." ?! | 23:37 |
| knome | slickymaster, http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=mugshot-docs:usage#profile_data | 23:38 |
| knome | slickymaster, end of first <p> | 23:38 |
| knome | well, middle of | 23:38 |
| slickymaster | knome, I don't have an answer for that. I'm not even really sure if bluesabre have quantified it in the code | 23:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, ping ping ping ping | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | bluesabre: hey, pay attention! | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | oh! | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | so what do we want? | 23:41 |
| slickymaster | knome, hmmm... short version. how short is short? :P | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | sounds like we're just interested in basic usage | 23:44 |
| slickymaster | and I'm guessing that there will be no use of images, right?= | 23:45 |
| knome | slickymaster, "here's how you launch mugshot. in mugshot, you can change your profile image by clicking the userimage button on the left. select one of the options and follow the instructions. (note: you need package X to use webcam.) in dialog Y, you can change your personal details; applying these details with LO/pidgin installed, you will be prompted to update their settings as well." | 23:45 |
| knome | slickymaster, there will, on the login/lock screens :) | 23:45 |
| slickymaster | ok, got it | 23:45 |
| slickymaster | and as we're speaking about the xubuntu docs, we might as well address the xfdesktop | 23:46 |
| slickymaster | does the approach is to be the same? | 23:47 |
| knome | yes, similar to that | 23:48 |
| knome | jjfrv8, you happen to be around? | 23:56 |
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