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ahoneybunhey valorie04:11
valoriehi ahoneybun04:12
ahoneybunnice ubuntu user day04:12
valorieit was fun04:12
valorieI should blog about it tonight04:12
ahoneybunI was wondering before what will we do with the docs website?04:23
valorieI'm not sure what you mean?04:29
valorieIMO now that we have a working system, we should document it04:29
valorieesp. as we work out the last kinks04:30
ahoneybunwell how are we going to move the current docs on userbase over to the site once translations are good04:31
ahoneybunI know we can make docbook I believe04:31
valorieafaik we're not quite done -- are the current trusty images/slides etc. there?04:31
ahoneybunno I mean once we have everything set up04:32
valorieright, at that point we ask the www people to convert it to docbook04:33
valoriedocbook is the package for the ISO04:33
valorieand then we export to HTML for the website04:34
ahoneybunif we can do thast04:34
valorieif we can do what?04:34
ahoneybunif it was possible04:35
valoriewhich part are you unsure about?04:35
ahoneybundocbook -> HTML04:36
valoriewhy would we do docbook to html?04:37
ahoneybunI didn't know we could04:37
valoriewe can just generate it right from the wiki I believe04:37
ahoneybunoh even better04:37
valorieactually there are loads of ways to do this04:38
valorieand I'll bet the www people know best what works04:38
ahoneybunI just didn't know that04:39
ahoneybunanyway g2g sleep04:39
valorieit can be exported as pdf, as ebooks, etc.04:39
valoriewhat I'm saying is once we do this successfully, write it up04:39
valorieso if one of us is hit by a bus, someone else can carry one04:39
valorieI googled on mediawiki to html04:41
lordievaderGood morning.08:52
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BluesKajHey all11:28
ovidiu-florinhello world11:43
ovidiu-florinIf I may, Kmail users, please vote if you agree: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33053311:43
ubottuKDE bug 330533 in folders "There should be a global setting for Keep replies in the folder of the message being replied to" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]11:43
* yofel believes that this isn't really needed, if kmail could connect mails from different folder as long as they belong to the right thread11:45
yofellike gmail does it11:45
soeegood morning11:45
ovidiu-florinyofel: I think this is what currently hapens11:47
ovidiu-florinonly that it is individually set for each folder11:47
yofeloh really? If yes then it was just buggy the last time I tried it11:47
ovidiu-florinyofel: I can see the same sent message in the sent folder and in the replied to folder11:50
Riddellhi sgclark 12:52
Riddellall your packages uploaded12:52
Riddellyou keep insisting on using capital letters on .symbols file names which isn't right, it must match the package name12:52
RiddellI'm also still not convinced by multi-arch: allowed, what's the lintian error you get when using same?  (I don't get one)12:52
sgclarkRiddell: sorry possibly left over from copying a debian over12:57
Riddellhttp://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2014-January/028215.html  "Release schedule for Plasma Next" "Tue 17th June Plasma 2014.6 Final13:00
Riddellseems to fit quite nice with us13:00
sgclarkRiddell: kinit appears to be beyond my capabilities, if you find free time I can give you what I have13:33
Riddellsgclark: yeah looking at it now13:37
sgclarkthank you13:37
sgclarkRiddell: put my debian in my ubuntu one if you want to borrow files like copyright etc13:39
Riddellamazing how much of kf5 is GPL2 only, shows I was right to make a policy of GPL2+ for KDE and avoid GPL 3, it wouldn't be practical13:40
Riddellshadeslayer: to answer your question of yesterday my aim with packaging KF5 is to make decent packages we and debian can use for years to come13:49
Riddellif someone wants to use kf5 packages today we have neon13:49
Riddellso not the place to cut corners :)13:49
sgclarkit probably does not help I am in the wrong timezone, I can try to adjust if it is to much an issue13:53
sgclarkI can tell you I love packaging :)13:54
Riddellawooga, just the sort of person we like13:56
Riddellyou seem to work in pretty much a european timezone anyway13:56
sgclarkRiddell: kdewebkit ready for you14:07
sgclarkRiddell: kmediaplayer ready14:32
Riddelltoo fast too fast!14:34
Riddellsgclark: kdewebkit uploaded!14:39
shadeslayeryofel: so KDE SC 4.12.1 seems to install file14:44
shadeslayerruns fine too from what I can tell14:44
Riddell... maybe it is fine :)14:45
shadeslayerjust need to check if kde-full is installable14:48
shadeslayerRiddell: well, IMO it's better to have packages out and iterate on those rather than try and figure out each and every small detail that is blocking on QA14:49
Riddellgot to be done sometime, may as well do it now14:51
Riddellplus sgclark is doing a marvellous job14:52
Riddellsgclark: usr/share/dbus-1/ files go in -dev packages only needed at build time.  they also often need renamed14:53
sgclarkRiddell: which package?14:54
Riddellsgclark: kmediaplayer (which I just uploaded!)14:55
Riddelland filed this for https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115381/14:55
sgclarkRiddell: thank you14:55
Riddellphew all this pbuilder lark takes a long time14:56
geniiIs there some package altered recently which lead to a "Guest" account being created? I didn't have this user yesterday.14:56
RiddellI'd have been faster making a chroot myself14:56
Riddellgenii: lightdm has always offered a guest account14:56
geniiRiddell: Odd, I never had it listed on the greeter before, until today.14:57
Riddellit does need something installed, forget what14:57
Riddellbut it's on the default install14:57
geniiOK. So probably some lightdm update overwrote the conf file to defaults or something.14:58
* genii investigates14:58
geniiWeird. lightdm-kde-greeter.conf last touch time was Dec 20, so that can't be it.15:03
sgclarkRiddell: kprintutils ready15:07
sgclark Riddell: this is the lintain error arch-dependent-file-not-in-arch-specific-directory usr/bin/kf5kross 15:17
Riddellsgclark: packaging kross?15:19
Riddellsgclark: make a package called  kross  for it15:19
sgclarkok thank you15:21
Riddellsgclark: kprintutils uploaded!  (after a quick relicencing)15:34
Riddellkdewebkit reuploaded with i386 symbols!15:36
sgclarkRiddell: I am still getting error, will leave as is to see if you get it.15:39
Riddellsgclark: on which?15:40
Riddellwhat's the multi-arch value set at?  if it has binaries it can't be multi-arch15:40
Riddellthat's only for stuff in /usr/lib/x86 etc15:41
Riddellyeah, remove that15:41
sgclarkRiddell: that fixed it thanks :)15:45
Riddellsolid patch committed!15:48
Riddelldoes it get annoying I use exclamation marks so much with kf5? I just get so exited!15:48
sgclarknot at all it is exciting stuff :)15:49
shadeslayerokay so I've just pushed logic for figuring out which driver is installed16:11
shadeslayerand active16:11
shadeslayercan someone please check?16:11
shadeslayerIf it detects the right active driver for them16:11
Riddellsgclark: kinit uploaded to ppa, would be good if you could review it16:33
Riddellshadeslayer: in PPA or bzr?16:33
sgclarkRiddell: will do16:34
shadeslayerRiddell: I've asked the mighty launchpad to do a build16:34
shadeslayerthough might be faster to just bzr dailydeb it yourself16:34
Riddellshadeslayer: into experimental?16:35
sgclarkRiddell: kross ready16:47
* Riddell reviews16:51
sgclarkRiddell: there are notifyconfig folders in kinit source16:53
shadeslayeragateau: ping16:55
Riddellsgclark: some references I failed to change in debian/control, anything else?16:56
sgclarkcontrol had a few knotifyconfig and here is what I get for lintain http://paste.ubuntu.com/6838846/16:57
RiddellI think we can live with those lintian issues, I think they're caused by kdeinit being a generally weird library16:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: ping16:58
sgclarkok :)16:58
Riddellbut I left the errors without an override in the hope that debian or someone else will confirm16:58
sgclarkall good then16:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: do you know how to make KMessageWidget the circle progress thing 16:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: as a feedback to let the user know that information about his system is being generated16:59
shadeslayer*make KMessageWidget do the16:59
Riddellsgclark: kross uploaded!17:10
Riddellsgclark: I renamed the packages kf5-kross -> kross as I don't think there's a need for a namespace17:10
Riddelland put the plugins into kross package for simplicity17:10
Riddellso just kunitconversion, kdesignerplugin and kded to go?17:12
Riddellin tier 317:12
Riddellalpha is due this weekend, I'm out at fosdem until monday though17:13
Riddellonce it's all done we should put the packaging into bzr then work out how to script any future updates so it's just a case of running the script17:13
Riddelllike we do with KDE SC17:13
sgclarkkdesignerplugin almost done17:13
sgclarkRiddell: hmm, why would pbuilder libkf5designerplugin5 missing files (usr/lib/*/qt5), aborting, these files exist and debuild runs fine17:17
sgclarknevermind I think I know17:17
sgclarkRiddell: seems I don't know ^^17:26
apacheloggershadeslayer: I am not sure kmessagewidget can be used for that17:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: agateau would know though, since it's his baby17:27
apacheloggergenerally though kbusywidget is used (I think that is its name)17:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: I'm sure I've seen it being done somewhere17:27
apacheloggeror you could look at the busyoverlay in libkubuntu17:28
shadeslayerno kbusywidget 17:28
Riddellsgclark: I would guess there's a missing build-dep that means those plugins don't get built in pbuilder17:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: plz review my upgrader changes17:29
apacheloggerabout to head out I am 17:29
shadeslayerRiddell: thoughts on moving KDE SC 4.12.1 to backports17:29
Riddellsgclark: do you have log output from pbuilder?  (for some reason you have to specify it manually)17:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: :S17:29
Riddellshadeslayer: go for it17:29
* shadeslayer is way way way behind his workload for today17:29
Riddellshadeslayer: don't worry, another 6 hours in the day to go :)17:30
sgclarkRiddell: will look thanks17:30
shadeslayerRiddell: heh17:30
shadeslayermy ktimetracker is gone /o\17:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://lxr.kde.org/ident?i=KPixmapSequenceOverlayPainter+17:30
apacheloggerthere's also a plasma::busywidget which may or may not be usable17:31
* apachelogger away17:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: mhmm17:31
shadeslayerRiddell: ping17:45
shadeslayerRiddell: can you paste the output of qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspend 17:45
shadeslayerRiddell: as well as qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspend17:48
shadeslayerofcourse, pm-utils must not be installed :)17:48
yofelon that topic, let me remove pm-utils17:50
shadeslayeryofel: btw we still need to keep pm-utils for other reasons -.-17:50
yofelwhich are?17:50
shadeslayerthings like /usr/lib/pm-utils/video-quirks and /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/17:51
yofelare those actually used by logind?17:53
shadeslayerI don't have a clue what is and what is not used by the ubuntu logind >.>17:54
yofelok, at least my hibernate button is gone \o/17:55
shadeslayeryofel: see above, plz replace Suspend with Hibernate17:55
shadeslayerinteresting : qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate                                          shadeslayer@solembum17:56
yofelok, suspend workd17:56
sgclarkRiddell: kdesignerplugin ready, couldn't find anything to create symbols with17:56
shadeslayeryofel: but do you have a button to suspend?17:56
yofelthose button essentially depend on the dbus responses anyway17:57
* shadeslayer is staring at the code17:57
shadeslayerand it's all synchronous and blocking \o/17:58
yofeldid we find a way to ensuring that qdbus is always working yet?18:00
shadeslayeryofel: is there a way to get debchange to only edit the latest entry18:17
shadeslayerso that I can run : dch --edit -l ppa ""18:18
yofelit does that by default for UNRELEASED changelogs, not sure how to do it for others18:23
shadeslayerso I'm updating ktp, and it builds 0.7.1-0ubuntu118:23
yofelit always edits an UNRELEASED entry18:23
shadeslayerwhen used with uupdate18:23
Riddellhi shadeslayer, back now for 30 mins18:24
Riddell>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspend18:24
Riddell>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspend18:24
shadeslayerthat is what is used to populate the kickoff18:25
sgclarkRiddell: kunitconversion ready18:26
shadeslayerRiddell: and you don't have pm-utils installed and have restarted ?18:27
Riddellshadeslayer: oh well I have pm-utils installed now, will that affect those dbus outputs?18:27
shadeslayerI think so18:28
* Riddell removes18:28
Riddell>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspend18:33
Riddell>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qdbus org.freedesktop.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanSuspend18:33
Riddellshadeslayer: so that explains kickoff18:33
Riddellanyone able to confirm bug 1274219 ? can't resize from window borders18:38
ubottubug 1274219 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "can't resize maximised windows / kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127421918:38
shadeslayerRiddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/upower/trusty/view/head:/debian/patches/always_use_pm-utils_backend.patch18:39
geniiRiddell: Yup, same thing here. 18:39
shadeslayerso we *need* pm-utils18:39
soeeresize when maximised ?18:39
soeenever seen/use that oO18:39
shadeslayerjust that it goes via logind -> upower -> pm-utils18:40
Riddellshadeslayer: hah18:40
geniiAlthough usually when you maximize a window, you *want* it to be using the entire screeen....18:40
Riddellshadeslayer: so why can I remove pm-utils? missing depends there no?18:40
shadeslayerRiddell: you can't , but about 5-6 months ago there was no pm-utils on the ubuntu CD18:41
Riddellgenii: oh it's only on maximised windows18:42
lordievaderRiddell: Doesn't bother me on Trusty, I can resize a Dolphin window on all 4 corners.18:42
Riddellgenii: why would you want to resize a maximised window? that's nuts18:42
lordievaderOh wait it wasn't maximized, hold on...18:42
shadeslayerRiddell: I think this is the only supported mechanism to suspend and hibernate, logind -> upower -> pm-utils18:42
lordievaderErr no, on one corner it automatically unmaximizes so that the window can move.18:43
geniiRiddell: I guess so you could do something like have a strip down the side or such of something different and just hit maximize then move one side of the window over18:43
Riddellshadeslayer: right, so upower should depend on pm-utils but it depends on pm-utils | systemd-services18:43
shadeslayerapparently so18:43
shadeslayerseems like a bug in upower packaging then18:43
Riddellshadeslayer: seems to come from debian18:44
shadeslayerRiddell: I think the idea was, kubuntu-desktop should directly depend on pm-utils18:46
Riddellshadeslayer: but why not upower?18:46
shadeslayerI don't follow18:47
Riddellkubuntu-desktop does directly depend on pm-utils but if upower needs to use pm-utils why does upower not depend on pm-utils18:47
Riddellcurrently upower depends on pm-utils | systemd-services18:47
Riddellwhich seems incorrect if it uses pm-utils even when systemd-services is installed18:47
kubotushadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"18:49
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1274219] can't resize maximised windows / kubuntu @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1274219 (by SA)18:53
Riddellshadeslayer: could you reply to your testing request on kubuntu-devel so we don't forget this?19:01
* Riddell out19:01
shadeslayerRiddell: ack19:01
* Riddell installs pm-utils again so he can suspend before going out19:02
yofelleave the question why the hell I can suspend fine without pm-utils19:37
yofeland as far as I know logind doesn't need upower at all19:37
yofelso it's logind | upower -> pm-utils19:37
Quintasando we have anyone working on new homerun?19:45
Quintasanif not I will do it once I get back home and fix kdeconnect overwrite since I must have missed it19:46
soeeQuintasan: any chance to fix this problem iwth kdeconnect? https://plus.google.com/116832083515190735580/posts/M1DEH4XAbnF19:47
soeeah you posted id just before me :)19:52
soeeah hes gone :D19:52
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1241870] kde shutdown script is not executed @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241870 (by Soos Gergely)19:55
* yofel hits quasselcore with a big hammer21:07
yofelhopefully that'll help21:07
yofelanyone else having issues with virtuoso? http://paste.kde.org/p92fe1ca521:07
Riddellsgclark: kdesignerplugin uploaded!22:20
RiddellI renamed the packages kgendesignerplugin and libkf5designerplugin5 and put the binary in kgendesignerplugin22:21
RiddellI think that's better than pretending it's a library22:21
Riddellsgclark: kunitconversion uploaded!22:27
Riddella work of perfection that one22:27
Riddellsgclark: on kded the kdeinit files aren't -dev files, they belong with the kded binary22:28
Riddellexcept in kdelibs 4 land we did something to get rid of the kdeinit files which I don't remember just now22:29
Riddellbut just package them with the kded binary for now22:29
Riddellneeds dh_movelibkdeinit adapted22:29
Riddelland presumably kinit told about that runpath22:34
Riddellmm needs make_libkdeinit4_private.diff adapted from kde4libs22:34
sgclarkRiddell: sorry was away22:41
sgclarkRiddell: lost me at dh_movelibkdeinit22:43
sgclarknevermind got it from kde4lib source22:49
Riddellright, needs some programming foo, that patch in kde4libs needs adapted to kinit and them the dh_movelibkdeinit script from pkg-kde-tools package needs changed for kdeinit522:54
Riddellbut for now just package the kdeinit files along with the /usr/bin/ file the relate to22:55
Riddellit's a way of loading /usr/bin binaries quicker22:55
sgclarkyeah I fixed that, my eyes are glazing over a bit looking at this patch lol22:57
sgclarkI will package as is for now :)22:57
sgclarkRiddell: is ktexteditor intentionally left off our t3 list?23:01
Riddellsgclark: nope23:02
Riddellsgclark: but there's no tar for it23:03
sgclarkahhh seems you are correct, nor plasma-framework23:04
sgclarkhopefully t4 does not depend on those23:05
sgclarkRiddell: kded ready without patch, I think that is beyond my current capabilities23:21
Riddell"Extensible daemon for providing system level services"  is it system?23:54
Riddellsurely kded manages sesssion services23:54

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