[01:00] <topoi> who's using 14.04?
[01:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> me
[01:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> But I know nothing.
[01:02] <topoi> me also v. little, but am noticing several bugs
[01:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's in Alpha release. Of course there is going to be bugs. Go report them. :)
[01:02] <valorie> I did the upgrade, but am mostly using 13.10 still
[01:03] <valorie> yes, we need the bug reports, topoi!
[01:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> should have done a clean install
[01:03] <topoi> ok, i've never submitted a bug report before
[01:04] <valorie> Poisoned_Dragon: I did the upgrade as a test, and reported my results
[01:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> I haven't had too many issues.
[01:05] <valorie> topoi: any packaging errors or problems upgrading, etc. should be reported on launchpad, or using ubuntu-bug
[01:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> Most issues were app related.
[01:05] <topoi> anyone getting those lightbulbs instead of notifications?
[01:05] <valorie> if it's a KDE issue, then those bugs are reported on http://bugs.kde.org
[01:06] <valorie> the lightbulb *is* a notification
[01:07] <topoi> valorie, should the these lightbulb notifications duplicate themselves, like, 7-8 times across the menu bar?
[01:07] <valorie> no
[01:07] <valorie> that is def. a bug
[01:07] <topoi> thought so
[01:10] <valorie> topoi: could it be this? https://www.kubuntuforums.net/archive/index.php/t-58458.html
[01:10] <valorie> flash-installer?
[01:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... I remember that
[01:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> I purge flash-installer
[01:12] <topoi> valorie: hmm not sure that applies
[01:13] <valorie> it is update-notifier I think
[01:13] <valorie> but dinner, gotta go
[01:13] <topoi> thanks
[01:13] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/993672
[01:14] <valorie> comment if you think that's your bug
[01:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> The lightbulb usually informs you that a package needs to download additional data in order to complete it's installation.
[01:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Which is usually flash-installer.
[01:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Either run the download, or purge it.
[01:15] <topoi> it is an update, relates to ecryptfs (which i don't actually use)
[01:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh, huh
[01:16] <topoi> is it safe to purge ecryptfs?
[01:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> Meh, download it anyway.
[01:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> Never know if you have to mount an encrypted volume.
[01:24] <Linnak> Is it possible to change the color of the classic startmenu?
[01:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> My is different because I changed the theme.
[01:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> I dunno if can be changed on it's own.
[01:27] <Linnak> Poisoned_Dragon: On every desktop theme and window decoration is the same gray.
[01:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> System Settings; Workspace Appearance; Desktop Themes.
[01:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> Click the Details tabs, and see if you can pick a different theme for Kickoff only.
[01:37] <Linnak> Poisoned_Dragon, I can but still gray.
[01:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> :(
[01:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> I guess I'm not much help. It works on my end
[01:43] <Linnak> Poisoned_Dragon, ok. thanks
[02:50] <bjrohan> When I put an audio CD into my drive, then use dolphin to copy the files to my HDD (mp3), the files are larger on my HDD, plus it never finishes copying, even though it says 100%. When I close the copying dialog, I still can't open the MP3 on my hdd with VLC
[02:51] <bjrohan> any thoughts?
[02:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[02:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... wait.. I see it now.
[02:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> never mind
[02:53] <bjrohan> ?
[02:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> I misunderstood. That's all.
[02:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought that the problem was simpler than it was. I see the light now.
[02:55] <bjrohan> To me it is odd
[02:56] <bjrohan> Hmm interesting that the files on my hdd are write protected when I try to delte them
[02:57] <bjrohan> Even though I am running Dolphin with no special permissions
[03:31] <valorie> bjrohan: I've noticed the write-protect on stuff I've gotten through Dolphin as well, sometimes
[03:31] <valorie> I think it might have something to do with the original CD
[03:53] <TheMontyChrist> strange thing just happened
[03:53] <TheMontyChrist> I rebooted
[03:53] <TheMontyChrist> and now I can't login
[03:53] <TheMontyChrist> the login screen appears
[03:53] <TheMontyChrist> type in password
[03:53] <TheMontyChrist> looks like it's about to go to the desktop
[03:54] <TheMontyChrist> and then it just goes back to the login screen.
[03:54] <TheMontyChrist> currently using text more irssi
[03:54] <TheMontyChrist> s/more/mode
[03:54] <TheMontyChrist> really like to get my desktop back.
[03:54] <TheMontyChrist> perhap switching back to unity could help?
[04:01] <valorie> TheMontyChrist: what did you do before rebooting?
[07:48] <cillo551> kubuntu dont see my mobile broadband usb stick at first , it only shows up when I take it off from usb port and put it back , how can fix it that shows it from the first time
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:57] <opiwahn> hello. I am using Kubuntu 13.10. If have two possiblities to get Launcher-Icons to the the panel: 1st I can choose "add to panel" . 2nd is (and its the "newer option") to choose "Add a launcher to panel when not running" when the program ist running, right? How can I change the icon-size of the 2nd thing?
[09:11] <opiwahn> I think its called "QUICKLAUNCH"
[10:07] <ejiafzh> hello
[10:36] <uczen> hi
[10:39] <BLABLABLA> siemanko
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:30] <riano|afk> Hello BluesKaj
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi riano
[11:44] <ovidiu-florin> If I may, Kmail users, please vote if you agree: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330533
[14:54] <duckdive> Hello
[14:55] <duckdive> I need to implement a communication with a externel Hardware (FPGA) which is connected over an external memory bus.
[14:56] <duckdive> Sorry wrong channel ;)
[15:05] <genii> duckdive: Might want to try ##hardware or #edev ;)
[17:04] <rberg> anybody know what the run bar at the of the screen is called? the one you get when you hit atl-f2?, mine is stuck and I want to kill it
[17:09] <jussi> rberg: krunner
[17:10] <rberg> thats it! thanks
[17:10] <rberg> I wonder what caused it to get stuck with a 1/2 typed word
[19:08] <lonepalm24> Newbie to linux. I've tried out KDE and Gnome and prefer Gnome, but I like KDE's chat (telepathy?) better. Any way I can integrate that into gnome instead of using empathy?
[19:09] <W8KWA_Charles> yes, but it means bringing in a lot of KDE dependancies
[19:10] <lonepalm24> is that a bad thing?
[19:10] <W8KWA_Charles> Depends on your system
[19:11] <W8KWA_Charles> Think of it as partialy loading KDE in order to run it, meanns more system memory
[19:11] <lonepalm24> essentially anything empathy is used for in gnome I would want to change it out for KDE's chat client. I believe I have plenty of power to be able to do that.
[19:12] <lonepalm24> 8gb ram, plenty of HDD
[19:13] <W8KWA_Charles> then yeah, I think you can yank out empathy ok, but telepathy wont intergrate specificly into that drop down list
[19:14] <lonepalm24> i was a little foolish in thinking I could just install it...it worked ok, but when I tried to join group chats it would use empathy...I removed empathy and I was getting all sorts of crashes from telepathy...
[19:14] <W8KWA_Charles> it will probably end up with an extra icon
[19:14] <W8KWA_Charles> It probaly yanked out a few files telepathy was useing
[19:14] <W8KWA_Charles> purge telepathy, then re-install it
[19:15] <lonepalm24> do i need to purge empathy first at all or anything?
[19:16] <W8KWA_Charles> You could try sure you want to get rid of empathy anyways
[19:17] <lonepalm24> ok, so battle plan is to purge empathy and telepathy...then just install telepathy again? It just won't completely integrate into the menu or anything right
[19:17] <W8KWA_Charles> correct
[19:17] <lonepalm24> ok great. thank you. i will give it a shot
[19:18] <W8KWA_Charles> np
[19:18] <psyentologist> hi ya'll... when i installed kubuntu inside of ubuntu, i don
[19:18] <psyentologist> t have a wireless icon like i do on the dashboard of ubuntu
[19:19] <psyentologist> i have like a speaker icin, this little i witha  circle around it , the time etc... but no wifi icon.. can someone tell  me how to get it on there?
[19:24] <W8KWA_Charles> should be a network plug on your task bar
[19:25] <psyentologist> a network plug?
[19:25] <psyentologist> i dont see it ..
[19:25] <genii> psyentologist: At the end of the panel on the right is a semi-circle. If you hover over it a opup says something like "Panel Tool Box". Click it, a new bar appears. From the new bar, choose Add Widgets. The new bar should now have a selection of widgets from which you can drag the one called "Network Management" onto your bottom panel.
[19:26] <psyentologist> oooohh,, genii THANKYOU Very MUCH!! I'll go look now! :) Thankyouthankyou!! :) :)
[19:26] <genii> ( you may need to scroll the other widgets over to get to that one )
[19:29] <psyentologist> Phew! I got it. genii Thanks (AGAIN) LOL! See I've been having to log into gnome 1st,  find a wireless network from there, connect and THEN I can use it when i log back into Kubuntu
[19:29] <psyentologist> what a pain it was. Now i got that little wifi icon next to my clock and speakers and stuff.. very good
[19:30] <genii> psyentologist: Glad to assist.
[19:30] <psyentologist> i don't get why it's not automatically on there by default, i didn't even know it was a widget either. i thought it was part of the system
[19:31] <psyentologist> i messed around with the widgets too. I put a spell checker and power button on my system tray from the widget list but i never did notice network stuff on there... lol!
[19:31] <psyentologist> now all i need to do is figure out a way to play quakelive from linux ... i hate that it's not playable in the web browser anymore :(
[19:32] <W8KWA_Charles> Its also in the 'System Settings' too from the menu
[19:32] <genii> psyentologist: There could be a couple things. A small up-arrow next to those icons shows other ones which may be hidden. Right-click on that arrow also brings up "System Try Settings" which if selected, you can check which are shown and which are hidden, etc
[19:33] <genii> System Tray Settings, rather, not Try ;)
[19:33] <genii> psyentologist: There could be a couple things. A small up-arrow next to those icons shows other ones which may be hidden. Right-click on that arrow also brings up "System Tray Settings" which if selected, you can check which are shown and which are hidden, etc
[19:34] <genii> Sorry to everyone else for the twice but they left before I hit Enter earlier :)
[19:35] <psyentologist> genii:  Oh wow! I just saw the option for it and so i checked it. So I can remove  that network management widget now i presume.
[19:35] <psyentologist> i don't need both of the wifi icons
[19:36] <genii> psyentologist: There you go, now you know a couple different ways to navigate the bar :)
[19:36] <psyentologist> Yep! Very awesome
[19:37] <psyentologist> say genii, do you get people who pay you like bitcoins or something to stay on here and answer questions like that ?
[19:38] <genii> psyentologist: Just curious... you are using something like xnest or xephyr?
[19:38] <psyentologist> i've never heard of xnest or xephyr, i dont think I've got them running
[19:38] <genii> psyentologist: Nah, i just do it for humanitarian reasons
[19:38] <psyentologist> i don't even know what they are
[19:39] <psyentologist> genii:  that's nice for you to spend the time to help people out. it's greatly appreciated to those of us whom are poor and struggling such as myself
[19:39] <psyentologist> so what's xnest and xephr?
[19:39] <genii> psyentologist: They allow you to run a different X session inside your current one.
[19:40] <genii> psyentologist: So I guess instead you are running Kubuntu inside a VM
[19:40] <psyentologist> No. i'm running exclusive Kubuntu
[19:42] <genii> psyentologist: Ah, OK. your comment earlier of "hi ya'll... when i installed kubuntu inside of ubuntu"  ... I must have misinterpreted then :)
[19:42] <psyentologist> genii:  After I installed Ubuntu a couple days ago (i broke something  in it so i had to reinstall it) I typed "sudo apt-get -install kubuntu-desktop" from the dos prompt, and it added the kde too
[19:42] <psyentologist> ooh okay lol
[19:43] <psyentologist> i think i can switch users and open up the guest account and theoretically have two sessions running simotaneously though
[19:43] <psyentologist> i've had linux for what seems like forever, but I really know very little about it.. i'm on the microsoft research panel and I get to try out free copies of windows all the time
[19:43] <W8KWA_Charles> Sounds messy to me
[19:44] <genii> psyentologist: We won't hold that against you ;)
[19:44] <psyentologist> i'm really good about messing up my installs of linux cuz I like to poke and prod around into things that I probably shouldn't be messing with ! LOL! and sure enough, i mess it all up
[19:44] <psyentologist> Awww !! Thanks genii
[19:45]  * bprompt sets mode psyentologist  +prodder +poker
[19:45]  * W8KWA_Charles yanked my ubuntu off a few days ago too, installed Kubuntu, just running it as a desktop now. Been years since I used kde
[19:45] <psyentologist> hehehe lol! :)
[19:48] <psyentologist> So anyways, now I'm going to figure out the new quakelive standalone client and try and get it running decently in linux ....  thanks again fellas! :)
[19:49] <genii> psyentologist: Good luck, and of course you know where we are if you require further assistance
[19:49] <psyentologist> genii:  Absolutley! Take care! :)
[19:50] <bprompt> psyentologist:    no worries, <tone value="tony-soprano">   fogetaboutit </tone>
[20:05] <lynn_> Can anyone see this?
[20:05] <W8KWA_Charles> yes lynn_
[20:06] <lynn_> Great.  I'm curious to know if Kubuntu can be upgraded online as regular Ubuntu can be.
[20:07] <W8KWA_Charles> as in pagages, or full distro
[20:07] <W8KWA_Charles> packages even
[20:10] <lynn_> Can anyone see this?
[20:10] <genii> lynn_: Yes indeed :)
[20:11] <lynn_> Great.  I'm curious to know if Kubuntu can be upgraded online as regular Ubuntu can be.
[20:11] <genii> lynn_: As W8KWA_Charles remarked, yes.
[20:12] <lynn_> So, within Kubuntu's software upgrading utility, I can click whatever word is has for upgrading to the next version online, right?
[20:13] <lynn_> I know I'm repeating myself.  I'm asking for verification because Kubuntu is maintained separately from Ubuntu even though it's based on Ubuntu.  Its maintainers have to keep KDE & all its apps up to date.  So, I'm wondering if regular Ubuntu's upgrading utility allows that.
[20:15] <lynn_> I haven't seen the answer to this anywhere in Kubuntu's site.
[20:21] <genii> lynn_: If a new version of Kubuntu becomes available for you to upgrade to, it will automatically appear as an option for you to choose.
[20:22] <genii> lynn_: As for regular software upgrades, you should also be automatically notified when they are available
[20:24] <lynn_> Thank you.  That's exactly what I wanted to know.  Can you tell me what server provides the upgrade?  Is it one from the regular Ubuntu site?  If so, how is it that it can provide the upgrade to Kubuntu, with its KDE & apps?
[20:25] <lynn_> Btw, I assumed that the regular software updates could be made online.  I assumed that the Kubuntu site provided those.
[20:31] <genii> lynn_: The main Ubuntu mirrors also are where the Kubuntu-specific packages are at, they don't come from some other place :)
[20:31] <genii> ( unless you're using PPAs or something)
[20:43] <lynn_> Thanks, Genii.  Does that mean that the regular Ubuntu upgrade servers keep contain all the KDE & its apps software, too?
[20:43] <genii> lynn_: Yes
[20:44] <lynn_> Wow.  I'm amazed.  They must have the same, then, for the other DEs, except, perhaps, for Cinnamon and Mate, right?
[20:47] <lynn_> If Shuttleworth doesn't want to support Kubuntu, why would he maintain the KDE suite in his servers?
[20:52] <genii> lynn_: All the different distributions use the same mirrors, it is just up to each to decide for themselves what support and development they want to do. So all Kubuntu, Xubuntu are on the regular mirrors. Also even if the Kubuntu people and Canonical people have philosophical diffferences about Mir/Wayland or so on, it's not a large enough reason to be mean about it.
[20:53] <genii> Oh, I almost forgot to include Lubuntu in the mix there too :)
[20:57] <lynn_> Put me back in.
[20:59] <lynn_> I wasn't thinking of their being mean about it, only simply not supporting the DE, esp. KDE, and the other graphical rendering engine, Wayland.
[21:00] <lynn_> So, I gather that you're saying that the Ubuntu servers support Wayland, too, right?
[21:10] <genii> lynn_: Whatever packages the Kubuntu devs provide ( whether that is based on Wayland or anything else) that are a part of the most current Kubuntu release will always be in the regular mirrors. There are of course also official Kubuntu PPA which have other stuff like later KDE versions or so on
[21:15] <lynn_> Ok.  Thank you.  You'be been the only one to answer me.  Thank you very much for that.  You've answered my concerns.  I'll be able to proceed w/ Kubuntu now.  Thanks, again.
[21:18] <genii> lynn_: You're welcome
[22:42] <keithzg> Anyone else having the problem of every second login a dual-monitor setup is stuck with mirrored displays, or know of a bug open in regards to it? Seeing it on two recent Intel-based PCs at work.
[22:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> Intel based can mean anything. Is the GPU intel based?
[22:53] <keithzg> Poisoned_Dragon: Yeah, it's an all-Intel build, no discrete GPU.
[22:54] <keithzg> Both show up in lspci as "Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen" VGA controllers.
[22:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> hmm... I don't do multi-monitor display. However, if your settings are misbehaving, you may have to add some conf files to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to force the video tom comply.
[22:55] <keithzg> (specifically rev 06)
[22:56] <keithzg> Yeah I was thinking that.
[22:56] <keithzg> Might have to brush off my rusty ol' xorg.conf knowledge, hope it has some vague application in this day and age ;)
[22:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[22:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> just rememeber there is no single xorg.conf by default, unless you use nvidia or ati drivers.
[22:57] <keithzg> well yeah, hence the xorg.conf.d
[22:57]  * Poisoned_Dragon nods
[22:57] <genii> !xorgconf
[22:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> I have to do it to keep the gpu on this lappy in line
[22:57] <keithzg> although I remember when EVERYTHING was just xorg.conf. And having to edit it all the damn time.
[22:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yeah, the darker times.
[22:58]  * genii sips and ponders x86config
[22:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> ugh... that too.
[22:58] <genii> Hehe
[22:59] <keithzg> Hmm. Is there any equivalent generators for Intel? One of the computers is a bit of a wonky setup, with a monitor rotated and the second monitor halfway up it to the right, which I imagine will make the config a bit ugly.
[22:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> sadly, the arch wiki has tons of info on xorg.conf.d
[22:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> even have intel examples
[22:59] <genii> keithzg: Probably want to use the generic one then, after changing the drivernames in there as appropriate
[23:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> you can set each port individually
[23:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> *each display port
[23:06] <keithzg> genii: it just seems a bit crazy to me that these days it's all "it's all automatic, don't worry about it!" but there's no way to read out the automatic settings into a manual one that one can then tweak :(
[23:07] <keithzg> Which of course is exactly what I did back in the day with NVIDIA all the time, I've always had asymmetrical xorg configs back when I was using TwinView, and of course I had to add special exceptions and nonsense just to get the binary blob drivers to work right anyways.
[23:07] <genii> keithzg: If you use the generic method, it will do a "best-guess" scenario of your hardware
[23:07] <keithzg> People claimed the ATI drivers at the time were far worse, which fills me with horror, 'cause NVIDIA is a nightmare.
[23:08] <keithzg> genii: well, the driver at least seems reasonable...although I'd argue it's definitely got a bug! What's the best way to tell which driver it's using, do I have to just look in the Xorg.0.log file for what module it loads?
[23:09] <apb1963> I have a problem with virtual desktops... I have difficulty verbalizing the exact problem but basically an application will "take control", such that I can't use the mouse to left click and select other apps.  I can right click - but that gives me a menu associated with the application that has "stolen control".  I can eventually regain control, but I'm not 100% sure how I do it.  It has something to do with going back to the virtual desktop where I
[23:09] <apb1963> normally use the app.
[23:12] <bprompt> apb1963:     keep in mind that "focused object" is not equivalent to "active object", I get the same on my regular workspace 1, when I have windows "always on top" and switch about, but that's just a matter of making certain the focus is moved from the active window firstly
[23:13]  * keithzg figures that sounds like a job for "focus follows mouse" ;)
[23:13] <apb1963> bprompt: I like how you speak.  Talk more.  (Sorry, been watching Parks & Recreation... lol)
[23:14] <apb1963> bprompt: Seriously though....  Yes, I do think it has to do with "always on top"
[23:14] <keithzg> Perhaps changing the policy to "Click To Focus - Mouse Precedence" would help?
[23:15] <apb1963> keithzg: I have no idea what that means.... it might be useful, but... what does it mean in English?
[23:16] <apb1963> keithzg: Click to focus, ok I get that.. but isn't that default behavior?  What is mouse precedence exactly?  Precedence over what?  The keyboard?
[23:16] <keithzg> apb1963: There's a quick description in Window Behaviour -> Focus. There are some other options in there that might help.
[23:17] <keithzg> "If an active window has to be chosen by the system...the window under the mouse is the preferred candidate."
[23:17] <keithzg> That's "Click To Focus - Mouse Precedence"
[23:18] <apb1963> keithzg: And that comment bprompt made... "focused object" is not equivalent to "active object".... that sounds relevant.
[23:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> keithzg, the video driver should be intel i915
[23:19] <keithzg> Poisoned_Dragon: Oh, still? Well, fair enough. I remember that being the name back in 2006, that's getting to be quite the misnomer, heh.
[23:20] <apb1963> keithzg: where would I put this change?
[23:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, I know.
[23:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> When I was looking it up for my 82855 chipset,
[23:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> i found it was still relevant to newer chipsets and gpus
[23:21]  * Poisoned_Dragon shrugs.
[23:21] <keithzg> apb1963: Again, in Window Behaviour -> Focus. It's in System Settings although you can easily find it in KRunner by just typing in "window behavior".
[23:22] <apb1963> keithzg: I don't see"Window Behavior"
[23:22] <apb1963> oh system settings
[23:22] <apb1963> I was right clicking on the window
[23:22] <keithzg> apb1963: It's a global setting, yeah.
[23:23] <apb1963> And going to window manager settings
[23:23] <keithzg> Umm if you do that it's also there.
[23:24] <keithzg> The module you're actually looking at is "Focus", which you can definitely get to from right-click -> window manager settings.
[23:24] <keithzg> This is KDE, you can do whatever you want to do in whatever way you want to ;)
[23:24] <apb1963> Yes, I can get to "Focus" from there... but there is no "Click To Focus - Mouse Precedence"
[23:24] <keithzg> Yes there is.
[23:25] <keithzg> The slider changes the policy.
[23:25] <apb1963> ok... it's already set to "click to focus"... but it says nothing about mouse precedence
[23:25] <keithzg> ...yes.
[23:25] <keithzg> So...slide it.
[23:25] <keithzg> :P
[23:25] <apb1963> Slide it where?
[23:26] <apb1963> to hover?
[23:26] <apb1963> I think a screenshot would help... gimme a minute
[23:28] <apb1963> keithzg: http://snag.gy/92sN6.jpg
[23:28] <keithzg> Umm, yes.
[23:28] <keithzg> So?
[23:29] <apb1963> so that's how it is and was
[23:29] <keithzg> http://imagebin.org/289811
[23:29] <apb1963> I've changed nothing.
[23:29] <keithzg> It's a slider. Far left is merely click, far right is merely hover; points inbetween are various compromises and variations between the two.
[23:31] <apb1963> ok, I didn't realize there were points in between... there's no indication of that...so I never even tried to move it... I thought it was just the two settings.
[23:32] <keithzg> Why on earth would they make a long slider then? :P
[23:32] <apb1963> ok, i'll give that some time to see how it goes... thank you!
[23:32] <keithzg> Hope it works! There are a few other options on that page that might help you too, but I'm not sure. Experimentation!
[23:33] <apb1963> The problem with experiementing if you don't know what you're doing is that you're never quite sure of what you've done.
[23:34] <apb1963> It took me literally weeks to figure out what was going on well enough to be able to verbalize it here.
[23:34] <apb1963> but thank you again :)
[23:34] <keithzg> Notice in the bottom left there's a button for "Defaults"? You can always just reset with that with each change if it doesn't solve anything :)
[23:35] <keithzg> I understand though, these kinds of problems are hard to pin down, even just terminology-wise! Best of luck.
[23:36] <apb1963> The problem with "Defaults" is that it was unclear to me if that button took my current settings and made them the defaults.... or if it did what you said....  plus, since it does do what you say.... what about all the other settings I have?  I don't want to lose the stuff that works!
[23:37] <apb1963> I've got autogroup policies and things I don't want to have to go back and redo... that was painful to setup.
[23:37] <keithzg> That's only per-page defaults.
[23:37] <apb1963> ohhhhh ok.... more info :)
[23:37] <bprompt> apb1963:    a quick back up of ~/.kde folder should safeguard you well from any unwelcomed changes :)
[23:37] <apb1963> bprompt: didn't think of that either.  Thanks!
[23:38] <keithzg> So if you have just "Focus" selected as the active module, then it'll only reset from there. But yeah, bprompt's point is a good one, backups of ~/.kde are your friend :)
[23:38] <apb1963> in fact... I was just about to explore "timeshift"... somebody mentioned it in the ubuntu channel, I thought I'd have a look and see.
[23:39] <apb1963> k
[23:39] <apb1963> I'm gonna go make a copy of it right now :)
[23:40]  * keithzg should probably just make a git repo of it, heh.
[23:40] <apb1963> sigh... I looked at git once several months ago.. I found it... challenging.
[23:41] <apb1963> My roots are in rcs
[23:41] <keithzg> There's a lot to wrap your head around, but the basics, at least, are fairly simple.
[23:41] <keithzg> I found http://git-scm.com/book fairly helpful.
[23:44] <apb1963> thanks, I'll add it to the reading list... but for now I'll just make a copy of .kde in case of disaster... though I should prolly upload it to a cloud like object somewhere. :)
[23:44]  * apb1963 sighs again
[23:45] <apb1963> geeks work is never done
[23:45] <keithzg> I'd strongly recommend zipping/tarring it before uploading it to a cloud somewhere; lots and lots of tiny files
[23:45] <keithzg> yup yup
[23:46] <apb1963> ok, thanks for the thoughts :)
[23:46] <bprompt> apb1963:  heheh, I now and then do a quick -> zip -9ry <-- on my home folder, some kde apps do not use .kde for one, they make their own folder, I also have lots of material at .config and .local
[23:46] <bprompt> the whole thing takes just about 5mins
[23:47] <apb1963> I have far too much on my home folder to zip the whole thing and drop it anywhere
[23:47] <apb1963> 37G to be precise
[23:48] <apb1963> it's why I haven't yet decided on a backup tool
[23:48] <keithzg> Solution: zip everything that starts with a dot ;)
[23:48] <bprompt> apb1963:    well, the files really where most settings are will be .kde .config and .local,  and maybe your browser's .mozilla or , and those don't take much space, I mean, you'd want to keep your bookmarks and addons/extensions too :P
[23:49] <bprompt> "37G to be precise
[23:49] <bprompt> woops
[23:49] <apb1963> .* is a good idea
[23:49] <apb1963> only 17M
[23:50] <apb1963> unzipped
[23:50] <bprompt> "37G to be precise"   <--- clear sign that home folder is 36gb too big :P
[23:50] <keithzg> Aha, much more manageable.
[23:50] <apb1963> bprompt: where should I put the other 36G?
[23:51] <bprompt> apb1963:     dunno, I have a "dump" partition, is where I dump videos, audio, books and whatever else, I may download some things to home folder, but if I want to keep them, I moved them to either "dump" or my external drive
[23:51] <apb1963> 5.2G    Videos/Doctor Who Season 3 Complete Runaway Bride Included
[23:52] <bprompt> apb1963:    I used to have 3  dump partitions, about 150gbs each
[23:52] <apb1963> well, it's a good idea in theory... but I'm not too good at housekeeping
[23:53] <bprompt> can't help if the issue is PEBKAC
[23:53] <apb1963> which is... ?
[23:53] <bprompt> !pebkac
[23:53] <bprompt> woopps, no alias =)
[23:53] <valorie> problem is between keyboard and computer
[23:53] <apb1963> ha
[23:54] <valorie> so often my problem....
[23:54] <apb1963> pilot error
[23:54] <bprompt> apb1963:   http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/118/5/a/PEBKAC_by_zStag.png
[23:55] <keithzg> Yeah, I mean c'mon, the keyboard is between the user and the computer, get your acronyms' semantics right ;)
[23:55]  * keithzg keeps forgetting that it's
[23:56] <keithzg> "keyboard and chair" and then wonders for an embarassing moment or two how that makes sense, heh.
[23:56] <apb1963> Yes well.. this is why we have applications... problem is there's just too much.  I need an application to manage my applications so that I can manage my applications
[23:57] <apb1963> mongo go back to work now.  Thanks again all :)