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pittiBonjour tout le monde !05:25
darkxstpitti, hi06:33
Mirvhmm, does someone have Bluetooth working on up-to-date trusty? I mean, just eg. hciconfig showing something etc08:23
Mirvie is it just my machine or something more general. I think it was ~working last week08:27
Mirvok I gather it's probably just me since I have the same problem with -3 kernel too. nothing problematic in dmesg, ath3k gets loaded, it's just that from user space at least the Bluetooth seems to be not existing08:42
seb128good morning desktopers!08:56
seb128hey Sweetshark08:56
Sweetsharksrly, launchpad!?! You are not being helpful https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-nattytest2/+build/553089908:57
Sweetsharkhaha, it took 14 hours. not gonna tell you how it ended though.08:57
thumpero/ seb12808:58
seb128you should ask on #ubuntu-devel or maybe ping directly wgrant/infinity/cjwatson about it08:58
seb128thumper, hey, how are you?08:58
darkxstseb128, hey08:58
thumperseb128: pretty good, upgrading to trusty as we speak08:58
Sweetsharkseb128: yup.08:58
Mirvhrm, I guess the Bluetooth problem was still something user space. installing blueman and letting it enable Bluetooth actually enabled it08:58
* seb128 hides before thumper discovers his computer stopped working08:58
seb128hey darkxst08:59
thumperseb128: sprinting next week, so it better work still08:59
seb128where do you sprint?08:59
thumperat least I'm upgrading now and not friday night08:59
thumperlike I have before08:59
thumperseb128: capetown08:59
Sweetsharkseb128: I will manually install the locally generated *.debs and check for the -ku and -base issues.08:59
seb128thumper, ok, shame, we are in London next week so I was wondering if you guys too09:00
seb128Sweetshark, ok, but please still ask the launchpad guys, that's not normal09:00
thumpernah, sorry09:00
thumperwould like to go back to london again09:00
darkxstseb128, are CSD's ok on gnome-ish things gnome-tweak-tool and devhelp?09:00
thumperalthough I feel next time will be passing through to and from the isle of man in july :)09:00
seb128darkxst, better without it, devhelp is used by Unity users as well and when I tried the Debian version is was really not working well (same for d-feet)09:01
seb128thumper, ;-)09:01
seb128darkxst, gnome-tweak-tool is ok I guess09:02
thumper91% through09:02
seb128thumper, joke aside on trusty, I read comments on forums from unhappy unusers during holidays09:02
seb128thumper, they were unhappy that saucy being our current "stable" is less stable than trusty alpha109:02
darkxstseb128, ok09:02
thumperI've not had any issues with saucy09:03
thumpernot that leap to mind anyway09:03
seb128yeah, saucy is not buggy09:03
seb128it's just that trusty is even better, we did almost no change out of bugfixing09:03
seb128since everybody is busy on touch stuff09:03
seb128no crack for the desktop users09:03
seb128darkxst, you are not going to convert the world to CSD before the LTS and you are going to miss most defaults apps anyway (evince, eog, file-roller, gedit, etc)09:04
seb128darkxst, it doesn't feel like Ubuntu GNOME has much to win to try to increase CSD use this cycle, it's not going to be consistently used09:05
seb128UK is synced it seems09:06
seb128didrocks, JohnLea, Laney joining at the same time09:06
seb128Laney, good morning, how are you?09:06
Laneygood thank you! and you?09:07
seb128I'm good, thanks09:07
darkxstseb128, I don't think any of those default apps have CSD's for 3.1009:27
darkxstgnome-tweak-tool was greatly improved (apart from CSD's)09:27
seb128which is my point, since you are not going to have CSD in a consistent way, what's the point trying to push it for a few side apps?09:27
darkxstseb128, I am not trying to push it for the side apps really09:30
seb128why do you want the new devhelp?09:30
darkxstseb128, I figured it would have 3.8 api's in it09:31
seb128devhelp is a viewer, I don't think it contains APIs09:31
seb128you mean 3.10 right? because we have 3.809:32
darkxstyes, didnt realise it was just a webview though09:33
seb128I just looked to the 3.8->3.10 commits log, it seems mostly be CSD in the changes09:34
seb128that and minor tweaks/fixes09:34
darkxstand it was mostly an example anyway, although I do want the new gnome-tweak-tool09:35
seb128gnome-tweak-tool is fine09:35
darkxstand I am assuming the new apps, gnome-photos and gnome-weather are also fine?09:36
pittibonjour seb128, ça va ?09:40
* pitti should pay more attention to IRC :)09:40
seb128pitti, salut ça va bien ! (though a bit annoyed at doko now)09:40
seb128"some of the things in the test rebuild don't build due to poppler, let's build poppler with -0O to workaround the issue rather than fix it, making our pdf rendering slower on the way"09:41
Laneyooh, an exciting build failure09:41
* seb128 ponders playing revert war09:41
seb128pitti, et toi, comment vas-tu ?09:41
pittiyou mean poppler itself fails, or things building against poppler are magically succeeding once you build it with -O0?09:41
pittithat'd be strange, but your "some" sounds like that09:42
pittiseb128: je vais bien aussi, en route à Belgium09:42
pittimassaging autopkgtest again, making nice progress on the LXC runner09:43
seb128pitti, cvs, gdb-doc and others fail on some tex output error09:43
seb128pitti, those apparently go away when rebuilding poppler with O009:43
seb128which looks like a toolchain bug to me09:43
stgraberpitti: did allowing /dev/dsp rwm solve the python autopkgtests?09:43
stgraberpitti: apparently the python testsuite actually tries to play some sounds while it's running ;)09:44
pittistgraber: I haven't tried that yet, but I will09:45
ogra_Sweetshark, http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite ... "... proportion of that outlay could be cut by switching to free "open-source" software, such as OpenOffice, or Google Docs ..."09:57
lifelessEWUT. How is google docs open source, or free [for enterprises]10:12
Sweetsharkogra_: lolwut10:28
* Sweetshark sends a request for a copy of the gdoc source code. After all the gouvernment declared it open source.10:30
Laneyfocus on the positive :-)10:33
seb128Sweetshark, speaking about libreoffice, do you have something ready for sponsoring or do you want to wait on that ppa build retry to be done?10:34
Sweetsharkseb128: I dont want to wait for the ppa, but am still doing some local testing.10:39
Sweetsharkseb128: FWIW, the package is already at http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/libreoffice_4.2.0~rc4-0ubuntu1_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/libreoffice-l10n_4.2.0~rc4-0ubuntu1_source.changes10:40
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Sweetsharkfscking disco.11:40
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Sweetsharkseb128 seems to be hiding now that I want to tell him that I have no objections to sponsoring anymore ...12:18
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Sweetsharkseb128: in case you didnt see the mail: the rc4 build should be good for sponsoring.13:51
seb128Sweetshark, yeah, I just saw, thanks, I'm going to do that in a bit13:51
Sweetsharkseb128: If that works out it will be the first time we release a major version in sync with upstream.13:52
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seb128mterry, hey, can I get a nice deja-dup integrated with Unity back in trusty? ;-)14:38
mterryseb128, it's in trunk!  What more do you want?  :)14:40
mterryseb128, 29.5 isn't due until next week14:41
seb128mterry, yeah, but trunk wants a newer duplicity than trusty :p14:41
seb128mterry, man, I need my crack this week, not next!14:41
mterryseb128, yeah...  Duplicity and deja-dup need to be updated in step this time14:41
seb128mterry, joke aside, next week wfm, thanks ;-)14:42
mterryseb128, probably this weekend in truth14:42
kgunnmlankhorst: afternoon!15:07
kgunnmlankhorst: so we're trying to land mir...and gotta rebuild xserver due to client abi break...but, toolchain giving us a fit15:08
kgunnmlankhorst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+bug/126649215:08
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1266492 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Trusty) "ld:i386 crashes with -static -fPIE -pie" [Critical,Triaged]15:08
kgunnmlankhorst: can you help us ? we're stuck15:08
mlankhorstkgunn: yeah.. grab this15:09
mlankhorstkgunn: hm want me to upload a new rebuild to ubuntu when it's required?15:09
kgunnsil2100: ^15:10
kgunnmlankhorst: well...so, this is interesting, this means i won't know if xserver/xmir is ok until after we release mir15:10
mlankhorst# Add a workaround for LP: #126649215:10
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1266492 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Trusty) "ld:i386 crashes with -static -fPIE -pie" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126649215:10
kgunnmlankhorst: ideally we'd have it being built as part of the test silo15:10
mlankhorstconfflags += lt_cv_prog_compiler_static_works=no15:10
mlankhorstmeh fine I'll upload a new xorg-server explicitly..15:11
seb128Laney, getting ready for next week? ;-)15:19
Laneyjust sharing some useful information :P15:19
mlankhorstkgunn/sil2100: fixed in ubuntu15:25
kgunnmlankhorst: thank you! sil2100 ok man....shall we try again ?15:25
tjaaltonhuh, trying to file a bug against firefox but ubuntu-bug claims that it's an unofficial pkg when it isn't15:27
* Laney plays the x-files theme15:27
tjaaltonon trusty15:27
seb128tjaalton, wfm ... what package version do you use?15:29
tjaaltonwhere's that from..15:30
seb128"err" ;-)15:30
tjaaltonok then15:30
tjaaltonso it is an unofficial one, no idea where15:30
seb128> 25 are blocked in proposed due to unhappy builds on arm and ppc15:30
Laneythat's the version in saucy, no?15:30
seb128so if you have saucy-updates/security that's > trusty15:31
tjaaltonwell that's where I upgraded from15:31
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tjaaltona couple of weeks ago15:31
tjaaltonanyway, getting phantom tabs that can't be closed15:31
sil2100kgunn: yes! Ok, let me rebase on it then, but it's still not ready... oh no no, we're still have a lot to go15:33
sil2100kgunn: we're still blocked on platform-api, but it's being worked on15:33
sil2100mlankhorst: thanks!15:34
kgunnsil2100: ok...let me know if i need to do something or can help15:34
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sil2100mlankhorst: it seems xorg-server build for i386 failed after the upload15:39
sil2100mlankhorst: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.14.5-1ubuntu3/+build/553433015:39
mlankhorstsil2100: ignore15:40
mlankhorstxvfb fails from time to time15:40
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seb128sil2100, didrocks: is libindicator under CI train yet? (how can I see the projects that got migrated to it?)16:40
sil2100seb128: the CITrain Rampup spreadsheet indicates which projects are already migrated (the "in CI train" column)16:41
sil2100seb128: it's migrated16:42
seb128sil2100, ok, filed l21 on CI train then, if you can give me a slot ;-)16:42
sil2100I wonder if we have enough silos ;)16:43
seb128seems so16:43
seb128there are 10 and the assigned are up to 716:43
sil2100seb128: silo assigned!16:44
seb128sil2100, thanks!16:44
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sil2100seb128: hi! Do you know by any chance who should be the lander for ubuntu-themes? Any propositions?18:17
seb128sil2100, Cimi18:21
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robert_ancellseb128, still online :)21:06
seb128robert_ancell, yes!21:06
seb128robert_ancell, I've been slightly shifting hours again recently... :-)21:07
seb128robert_ancell, how are you?21:07
robert_ancellnot too bad21:07
seb128is that english for "alright but could be better"?21:08
robert_ancellseb128, lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-screensaver/unity21:08
seb128robert_ancell, getting tired of the u-c-c transition? ;-)21:08
seb128oh, nice!21:08
* seb128 goes to try that21:08
robert_ancelltotally :)21:08
robert_ancellit didn't work the first time I installed it, but it seemed to work after a reboot21:09
robert_ancellAnd the password field doesn't get focus for some reason21:09
seb128robert_ancell, btw, you still don't test your changes, I caught you!21:09
robert_ancellIt used to work! wtf!21:09
seb128the datetime panel?21:09
seb128before you decided to "rename" it by changing the .desktop only21:10
seb128I guess21:10
seb128reverting the .desktop change fixes it21:10
robert_ancelloh, right21:11
seb128robert_ancell, that vcs doesn't seem to have recent changes/an UI refactoring?21:19
robert_ancellit has a patch21:19
seb128which one?21:19
seb128there is no patch with > 150 lines of changes21:19
robert_ancelloh. hmm21:20
* kenvandine watches flickering seb128 :)21:27
seb128_kenvandine, yeah, I'm on a not-so-good connection21:27
seb128_kenvandine, how are you?21:27
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robert_ancellseb128, ok, try again21:29
robert_ancellNot sure where my branch went, I just rebuilt it21:29
seb128robert_ancell, content looks bettr21:30
* seb128 builds21:30
robert_ancellI thought for a minute you'd compiled, installed and was commenting on the window content21:30
robert_ancellsuper fast seb21:30
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seb128robert_ancell, looks better than the old one, the bg of the arrow and password entry is white for me though, do you get that as well?21:51
robert_ancellseb128, no, it looks the same as U-G to me21:52
seb128hum, weird21:52
robert_ancellseb128, do you know how to trigged the on screen keyboard on the lock screen?21:58
seb128robert_ancell, hum ... let me look22:02
robert_ancellI'm not even sure if we use that22:02
seb128how do you trigger it in a session?22:02
robert_ancellI think by enabling accessibility22:03
robert_ancellseb128, ah, the buttons look weird because you use radiance, not ambiance for a theem22:05
seb128robert_ancell, right22:06
robert_ancellneed to tell the screensaver to not use the users theme I guess22:06
seb128what's the difference between those?22:06
seb128the bg color?22:06
* Sweetshark wonders: Is my source package still too big? Launchpad frequently times out when showing the /+source/libreoffice page ....22:26
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