[05:25] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[06:33] <darkxst> pitti, hi
[08:23] <Mirv> hmm, does someone have Bluetooth working on up-to-date trusty? I mean, just eg. hciconfig showing something etc
[08:27] <Mirv> ie is it just my machine or something more general. I think it was ~working last week
[08:42] <Mirv> ok I gather it's probably just me since I have the same problem with -3 kernel too. nothing problematic in dmesg, ath3k gets loaded, it's just that from user space at least the Bluetooth seems to be not existing
[08:56] <Sweetshark> Moin!
[08:56] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:56] <seb128> hey Sweetshark
[08:57] <Sweetshark> srly, launchpad!?! You are not being helpful https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-nattytest2/+build/5530899
[08:57] <seb128> shrug
[08:57] <Sweetshark> haha, it took 14 hours. not gonna tell you how it ended though.
[08:58] <thumper> o/ seb128
[08:58] <seb128> you should ask on #ubuntu-devel or maybe ping directly wgrant/infinity/cjwatson about it
[08:58] <seb128> thumper, hey, how are you?
[08:58] <darkxst> seb128, hey
[08:58] <thumper> seb128: pretty good, upgrading to trusty as we speak
[08:58] <Sweetshark> seb128: yup.
[08:58] <Mirv> hrm, I guess the Bluetooth problem was still something user space. installing blueman and letting it enable Bluetooth actually enabled it
[08:58]  * seb128 hides before thumper discovers his computer stopped working
[08:59] <seb128> hey darkxst
[08:59] <thumper> hah
[08:59] <thumper> seb128: sprinting next week, so it better work still
[08:59] <seb128> ;-)
[08:59] <seb128> where do you sprint?
[08:59] <thumper> at least I'm upgrading now and not friday night
[08:59] <thumper> like I have before
[08:59] <thumper> seb128: capetown
[08:59] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will manually install the locally generated *.debs and check for the -ku and -base issues.
[09:00] <seb128> thumper, ok, shame, we are in London next week so I was wondering if you guys too
[09:00] <seb128> Sweetshark, ok, but please still ask the launchpad guys, that's not normal
[09:00] <thumper> nah, sorry
[09:00] <thumper> would like to go back to london again
[09:00] <darkxst> seb128, are CSD's ok on gnome-ish things gnome-tweak-tool and devhelp?
[09:00] <thumper> although I feel next time will be passing through to and from the isle of man in july :)
[09:01] <seb128> darkxst, better without it, devhelp is used by Unity users as well and when I tried the Debian version is was really not working well (same for d-feet)
[09:01] <seb128> thumper, ;-)
[09:02] <seb128> darkxst, gnome-tweak-tool is ok I guess
[09:02] <thumper> 91% through
[09:02] <seb128> thumper, joke aside on trusty, I read comments on forums from unhappy unusers during holidays
[09:02] <seb128> thumper, they were unhappy that saucy being our current "stable" is less stable than trusty alpha1
[09:02] <seb128> ;-)
[09:02] <darkxst> seb128, ok
[09:02] <thumper> hah
[09:03] <thumper> I've not had any issues with saucy
[09:03] <thumper> not that leap to mind anyway
[09:03] <seb128> yeah, saucy is not buggy
[09:03] <seb128> it's just that trusty is even better, we did almost no change out of bugfixing
[09:03] <seb128> since everybody is busy on touch stuff
[09:03] <seb128> no crack for the desktop users
[09:04] <seb128> darkxst, you are not going to convert the world to CSD before the LTS and you are going to miss most defaults apps anyway (evince, eog, file-roller, gedit, etc)
[09:05] <seb128> darkxst, it doesn't feel like Ubuntu GNOME has much to win to try to increase CSD use this cycle, it's not going to be consistently used
[09:06] <Laney> hallo
[09:06] <seb128> UK is synced it seems
[09:06] <seb128> didrocks, JohnLea, Laney joining at the same time
[09:06] <seb128> Laney, good morning, how are you?
[09:07] <Laney> good thank you! and you?
[09:07] <seb128> I'm good, thanks
[09:27] <darkxst> seb128, I don't think any of those default apps have CSD's for 3.10
[09:27] <seb128> right
[09:27] <darkxst> gnome-tweak-tool was greatly improved (apart from CSD's)
[09:27] <seb128> which is my point, since you are not going to have CSD in a consistent way, what's the point trying to push it for a few side apps?
[09:30] <darkxst> seb128, I am not trying to push it for the side apps really
[09:30] <seb128> why do you want the new devhelp?
[09:31] <darkxst> seb128, I figured it would have 3.8 api's in it
[09:31] <seb128> devhelp is a viewer, I don't think it contains APIs
[09:32] <seb128> you mean 3.10 right? because we have 3.8
[09:33] <darkxst> yes, didnt realise it was just a webview though
[09:33] <seb128> ok
[09:34] <seb128> I just looked to the 3.8->3.10 commits log, it seems mostly be CSD in the changes
[09:34] <seb128> that and minor tweaks/fixes
[09:35] <darkxst> and it was mostly an example anyway, although I do want the new gnome-tweak-tool
[09:35] <seb128> gnome-tweak-tool is fine
[09:36] <darkxst> and I am assuming the new apps, gnome-photos and gnome-weather are also fine?
[09:37] <seb128> yes
[09:38] <darkxst> ok
[09:40] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[09:40]  * pitti should pay more attention to IRC :)
[09:40] <seb128> pitti, salut ça va bien ! (though a bit annoyed at doko now)
[09:40] <pitti> heh
[09:41] <seb128> "some of the things in the test rebuild don't build due to poppler, let's build poppler with -0O to workaround the issue rather than fix it, making our pdf rendering slower on the way"
[09:41] <Laney> ooh, an exciting build failure
[09:41]  * seb128 ponders playing revert war
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, et toi, comment vas-tu ?
[09:41] <pitti> you mean poppler itself fails, or things building against poppler are magically succeeding once you build it with -O0?
[09:42] <pitti> that'd be strange, but your "some" sounds like that
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien aussi, en route à Belgium
[09:43] <pitti> massaging autopkgtest again, making nice progress on the LXC runner
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, cvs, gdb-doc and others fail on some tex output error
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, those apparently go away when rebuilding poppler with O0
[09:43] <seb128> which looks like a toolchain bug to me
[09:43] <stgraber> pitti: did allowing /dev/dsp rwm solve the python autopkgtests?
[09:44] <stgraber> pitti: apparently the python testsuite actually tries to play some sounds while it's running ;)
[09:45] <pitti> stgraber: I haven't tried that yet, but I will
[09:57] <ogra_> Sweetshark, http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite ... "... proportion of that outlay could be cut by switching to free "open-source" software, such as OpenOffice, or Google Docs ..."
[10:12] <lifeless> EWUT. How is google docs open source, or free [for enterprises]
[10:28] <Sweetshark> ogra_: lolwut
[10:30]  * Sweetshark sends a request for a copy of the gdoc source code. After all the gouvernment declared it open source.
[10:33] <Laney> focus on the positive :-)
[10:34] <seb128> Sweetshark, speaking about libreoffice, do you have something ready for sponsoring or do you want to wait on that ppa build retry to be done?
[10:39] <Sweetshark> seb128: I dont want to wait for the ppa, but am still doing some local testing.
[10:39] <seb128> k
[10:40] <Sweetshark> seb128: FWIW, the package is already at http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/libreoffice_4.2.0~rc4-0ubuntu1_source.changes http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/trusty/libreoffice-l10n_4.2.0~rc4-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[11:40] <Sweetshark> fscking disco.
[12:18] <Sweetshark> seb128 seems to be hiding now that I want to tell him that I have no objections to sponsoring anymore ...
[13:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: in case you didnt see the mail: the rc4 build should be good for sponsoring.
[13:51] <seb128> Sweetshark, yeah, I just saw, thanks, I'm going to do that in a bit
[13:52] <Sweetshark> seb128: If that works out it will be the first time we release a major version in sync with upstream.
[13:52] <Sweetshark> (IIRC)
[14:38] <seb128> mterry, hey, can I get a nice deja-dup integrated with Unity back in trusty? ;-)
[14:40] <mterry> seb128, it's in trunk!  What more do you want?  :)
[14:41] <mterry> seb128, 29.5 isn't due until next week
[14:41] <seb128> mterry, yeah, but trunk wants a newer duplicity than trusty :p
[14:41] <seb128> mterry, man, I need my crack this week, not next!
[14:41] <mterry> seb128, yeah...  Duplicity and deja-dup need to be updated in step this time
[14:42] <seb128> mterry, joke aside, next week wfm, thanks ;-)
[14:42] <mterry> seb128, probably this weekend in truth
[14:42] <seb128> k
[15:07] <kgunn> mlankhorst: afternoon!
[15:08] <kgunn> mlankhorst: so we're trying to land mir...and gotta rebuild xserver due to client abi break...but, toolchain giving us a fit
[15:08] <kgunn> mlankhorst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+bug/1266492
[15:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1266492 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Trusty) "ld:i386 crashes with -static -fPIE -pie" [Critical,Triaged]
[15:08] <kgunn> mlankhorst: can you help us ? we're stuck
[15:09] <mlankhorst> kgunn: yeah.. grab this
[15:09] <mlankhorst> kgunn: hm want me to upload a new rebuild to ubuntu when it's required?
[15:10] <kgunn> sil2100: ^
[15:10] <kgunn> mlankhorst: well...so, this is interesting, this means i won't know if xserver/xmir is ok until after we release mir
[15:10] <mlankhorst> # Add a workaround for LP: #1266492
[15:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1266492 in xorg-server (Ubuntu Trusty) "ld:i386 crashes with -static -fPIE -pie" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266492
[15:10] <kgunn> mlankhorst: ideally we'd have it being built as part of the test silo
[15:10] <mlankhorst> confflags += lt_cv_prog_compiler_static_works=no
[15:11] <mlankhorst> meh fine I'll upload a new xorg-server explicitly..
[15:14] <mlankhorst> enjoy
[15:16] <Laney> http://www.hamburger-me.com/p/best-burgers-in-london-top-10.html
[15:16] <mlankhorst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/164032302/xorg-server_2%3A1.14.5-1ubuntu2_2%3A1.14.5-1ubuntu3.diff.gz
[15:19] <seb128> Laney, getting ready for next week? ;-)
[15:19] <Laney> just sharing some useful information :P
[15:25] <mlankhorst> kgunn/sil2100: fixed in ubuntu
[15:25] <kgunn> mlankhorst: thank you! sil2100 ok man....shall we try again ?
[15:27] <tjaalton> huh, trying to file a bug against firefox but ubuntu-bug claims that it's an unofficial pkg when it isn't
[15:27]  * Laney plays the x-files theme
[15:27] <tjaalton> on trusty
[15:29] <seb128> tjaalton, wfm ... what package version do you use?
[15:30] <tjaalton> uh
[15:30] <tjaalton> build2-0ubuntu0.13.10.2
[15:30] <tjaalton> where's that from..
[15:30] <tjaalton> err
[15:30] <tjaalton> 26.0+build2-0ubuntu0.13.10.2
[15:30] <seb128> "err" ;-)
[15:30] <tjaalton> ok then
[15:30] <tjaalton> so it is an unofficial one, no idea where
[15:30] <seb128> > 25 are blocked in proposed due to unhappy builds on arm and ppc
[15:30] <Laney> that's the version in saucy, no?
[15:31] <tjaalton> ah
[15:31] <seb128> so if you have saucy-updates/security that's > trusty
[15:31] <tjaalton> well that's where I upgraded from
[15:31] <tjaalton> a couple of weeks ago
[15:31] <tjaalton> anyway, getting phantom tabs that can't be closed
[15:33] <sil2100> kgunn: yes! Ok, let me rebase on it then, but it's still not ready... oh no no, we're still have a lot to go
[15:33] <sil2100> kgunn: we're still blocked on platform-api, but it's being worked on
[15:34] <sil2100> mlankhorst: thanks!
[15:34] <kgunn> sil2100: ok...let me know if i need to do something or can help
[15:39] <sil2100> mlankhorst: it seems xorg-server build for i386 failed after the upload
[15:39] <sil2100> mlankhorst: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.14.5-1ubuntu3/+build/5534330
[15:40] <mlankhorst> sil2100: ignore
[15:40] <mlankhorst> xvfb fails from time to time
[16:40] <seb128> sil2100, didrocks: is libindicator under CI train yet? (how can I see the projects that got migrated to it?)
[16:41] <sil2100> seb128: the CITrain Rampup spreadsheet indicates which projects are already migrated (the "in CI train" column)
[16:42] <sil2100> seb128: it's migrated
[16:42] <seb128> sil2100, ok, filed l21 on CI train then, if you can give me a slot ;-)
[16:43] <sil2100> Sure
[16:43] <seb128> thanks
[16:43] <sil2100> I wonder if we have enough silos ;)
[16:43] <seb128> seems so
[16:43] <seb128> there are 10 and the assigned are up to 7
[16:44] <sil2100> seb128: silo assigned!
[16:44] <seb128> sil2100, thanks!
[17:08] <Laney> wee
[18:17] <sil2100> seb128: hi! Do you know by any chance who should be the lander for ubuntu-themes? Any propositions?
[18:21] <seb128> sil2100, Cimi
[21:06] <robert_ancell> seb128, still online :)
[21:06] <seb128> robert_ancell, yes!
[21:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, I've been slightly shifting hours again recently... :-)
[21:07] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you?
[21:07] <robert_ancell> not too bad
[21:08] <seb128> is that english for "alright but could be better"?
[21:08] <robert_ancell> seb128, lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-screensaver/unity
[21:08] <seb128> robert_ancell, getting tired of the u-c-c transition? ;-)
[21:08] <seb128> oh, nice!
[21:08]  * seb128 goes to try that
[21:08] <robert_ancell> totally :)
[21:09] <robert_ancell> it didn't work the first time I installed it, but it seemed to work after a reboot
[21:09] <robert_ancell> And the password field doesn't get focus for some reason
[21:09] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw, you still don't test your changes, I caught you!
[21:09] <seb128> :-)
[21:09] <robert_ancell> It used to work! wtf!
[21:09] <seb128> the datetime panel?
[21:10] <robert_ancell> yeah
[21:10] <seb128> before you decided to "rename" it by changing the .desktop only
[21:10] <seb128> I guess
[21:10] <seb128> reverting the .desktop change fixes it
[21:11] <robert_ancell> oh, right
[21:19] <seb128> robert_ancell, that vcs doesn't seem to have recent changes/an UI refactoring?
[21:19] <robert_ancell> it has a patch
[21:19] <seb128> which one?
[21:19] <seb128> there is no patch with > 150 lines of changes
[21:20] <robert_ancell> oh. hmm
[21:27]  * kenvandine watches flickering seb128 :)
[21:27] <seb128_> kenvandine, yeah, I'm on a not-so-good connection
[21:27] <seb128_> kenvandine, how are you?
[21:27] <kenvandine> good
[21:29] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, try again
[21:29] <robert_ancell> Not sure where my branch went, I just rebuilt it
[21:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, content looks bettr
[21:30]  * seb128 builds
[21:30] <robert_ancell> I thought for a minute you'd compiled, installed and was commenting on the window content
[21:30] <robert_ancell> :)
[21:30] <robert_ancell> super fast seb
[21:32] <seb128> lol
[21:51] <seb128> robert_ancell, looks better than the old one, the bg of the arrow and password entry is white for me though, do you get that as well?
[21:52] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, it looks the same as U-G to me
[21:52] <seb128> hum, weird
[21:58] <robert_ancell> seb128, do you know how to trigged the on screen keyboard on the lock screen?
[21:58] <robert_ancell> trigger
[22:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, hum ... let me look
[22:02] <robert_ancell> I'm not even sure if we use that
[22:02] <seb128> how do you trigger it in a session?
[22:03] <robert_ancell> I think by enabling accessibility
[22:05] <robert_ancell> seb128, ah, the buttons look weird because you use radiance, not ambiance for a theem
[22:06] <seb128> robert_ancell, right
[22:06] <robert_ancell> need to tell the screensaver to not use the users theme I guess
[22:06] <seb128> what's the difference between those?
[22:06] <seb128> the bg color?
[22:08] <robert_ancell> yeah
[22:26]  * Sweetshark wonders: Is my source package still too big? Launchpad frequently times out when showing the /+source/libreoffice page ....