mappswhat to watch00:19
diddledanphp. in javascript.00:20
mappswhat is it00:26
diddledanit's a php interpreter running by virtue of javascript in the browser00:28
diddledanthe php code you see there is never sent to a server00:28
diddledanit all executes in your browser00:28
shaunoI saw one where they'd built latex in js recently00:29
shaunoemscripten has a lot to answer for00:30
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knightwisemorning everyon e07:09
knightwisehey Myrtti how is the move going ?07:17
MyrttiI've emptied a dresser.07:17
Myrttiwell, a chest of drawers.07:17
Myrttiin short: it's not really, but I pretend it is07:18
knightwiseits a step .. no :)  ?07:19
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.07:49
diploMorning all07:57
knightwisehey diplo !07:58
diploCar broke down last night :( walked home and back in today! Hope I get a reply from my mechanic this morning :/08:00
knightwisethats crappy dude08:03
MartijnVdSdiplo: do you know which part broke?08:05
diploNope, had lots of work done on it over the last 2 weeks08:14
diploGot it back Saturday, been running fine, was fine to work. Started it up last night and it was basically chugging away like it was either missing or not enough fuel/air08:15
diploSo luckily I hadn't got far so pushed it back to car park and walked home before I kicked the *ahem* out of it :)08:16
diploMuch more relaxed today08:16
popeybuying something on ebay from someone who smokes08:17
diploRight, got to get my parents a PC.. got about £300-400 to spend. Before I go looking any recommendations08:27
diploI can build or buy whole08:27
brobostigonanyone on three, whose data is entirly dead, and wont even connect up.?08:34
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Freethinkers Day! :-D08:49
SuperMattoooh, my nexus 5 is a sexy thing08:52
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: it is!08:52
* brobostigon is mega jealous08:52
SuperMattgosh darn it's fast and responsive08:56
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:21
MartijnVdS\o bigcalm09:21
foobarrywhat did you have before SuperMatt09:33
SuperMattno, samsung galaxy s3, you silly goose09:35
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: That has a lot less storage though09:35
foobarryare you selling the s3?09:35
foobarryor the s3 died?09:36
SuperMattI haven't decided that stuff yet09:37
SuperMattI've got a couple of friends who might want to buy it off me, so I might sell it09:39
bigcalmOo, my contract is up in May. Haven't seen anything I like over my SGS3 though09:42
bigcalmEarly upgrade date: 08/05/201409:43
bigcalmUpgrade date: 08/05/201409:43
bigcalmThanks t-mobile09:43
foobarryneed to buy my missis a recent but not brand new phone09:44
diploNot had a contract phone in 6+ years now09:44
MartijnVdSOnly had one the very first time09:45
MartijnVdSthen I saw the amount of crapware loaded onto it that I couldn't remove (old nokia..) I started buying my own phones09:46
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awilkinsGoogle did us all a real favour with the Nexus line in that respect09:47
foobarrynexus 4 aint available any more is it?09:47
awilkinsNot from Google Shoppe09:47
awilkinsSure you can pick them up very reasonably from eBay / old retail stock09:47
MartijnVdSYe Olde Google Shoppe?09:48
awilkinsAye, Ye Olde Famous Chocolate Factory Shoppe09:48
MartijnVdSbut why go for the N4? N5 is cheaper than most other phones with the same performance09:48
awilkinsIf I didn't have an N4 that was still very acceptable, I'd probably get an N509:49
awilkinsMuch better cost model than £30-40 a month for a carrier locked phone09:49
awilkins£280 + £10 a month for a package that has more than I can eat in it (including tethering)09:50
SuperMattmy s3 is mostly acceptable, but I was getting more and more annoyed by the differences between stock andoid on my nexus 10 and the touchwiz stuff that samsung do09:50
MartijnVdSawilkins: ah, net-neutrality-by-law ;)09:50
MartijnVdSawilkins: ("Oh you're tethering? We're not allowed to look/charge more.")09:50
awilkinsMartijnVdS, Nope, just have a carrier that lets you tether on their package with limited bits09:51
MartijnVdSawilkins: Mine's on .nl rules :)09:51
awilkinsMartijnVdS, If you pay £12 a month you lose the tethering because you get unlimited bits09:51
awilkins1GB is enough for me, I think even with heavy use I only draw about 250MB a month09:51
MartijnVdSawilkins: yeah, but I'm saying, Dutch providers can't do that because they can't look inside your packets to see if you're tethering or not :)09:51
awilkinsMartijnVdS, I've long been envious of the whole Dutch network thing - you all had superduper fast broadband way before us09:52
MartijnVdSSo I have 11GB + tethering for €30/month @ 25/25mbit 3G09:52
awilkinsYou could probably get away with tethering as long as you tunnel it all via SSH09:53
dwatkinsI have unlimited internets on my phone (but not on my fibre connection at home, where I'm limited to 200 GB/month)09:53
awilkinsEven on the non-tether packages09:53
awilkinsBecause they can't tell you you can't do SSH on Android because you can09:53
dwatkinsI couldn't find a good ssh tunnelling tool for android when I looked a while ago09:53
awilkinsThey likely only snoop web traffic and use your client identifier09:53
awilkinsdwatkins, Don't need an Android SSH tunneling tool09:54
dwatkinsit's built into the OS now?09:54
awilkinsdwatkins, Tether my laptop and run SSH on that09:54
dwatkinsah, that kind of tunnelling09:54
awilkinsThen everything goes through the built in SSH SOCKS09:54
dwatkinsI was thinking of poor-man's VPN via ssh09:54
awilkinsProbably need to root Android to do that09:55
awilkinsBut doable09:55
dwatkinsyeah, I only found one app which appeared to fit the bill, it was designed for users in China to tunnel out and redirect traffic to an external server09:55
MartijnVdSyou could just set up an ipsec vpn instead.09:55
MartijnVdSthat's built into android09:55
dwatkinscan I do that on top of my existing ssh config fairly easily, MartijnVdS?09:56
SuperMattgods, the screen on this thing is so nice09:56
MartijnVdSdwatkins: ipsec is completely separate09:56
MartijnVdSdwatkins: something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/L2TPServer09:57
dwatkinsexcellent, cheers MartijnVdS09:57
dwatkinssomething to keep me busy this evening09:57
MartijnVdSthat guide seems a bit rough09:57
dwatkinsno worries, it looks fairly straightfowards09:57
MartijnVdSdwatkins: http://rootmanager.com/ubuntu-ipsec-l2tp-windows-domain-auth/setting-up-openswan-xl2tpd-with-native-windows-clients-lucid.html09:58
dwatkinsI use port forwarding at home, so I might have to read up on which IP address the /etc/ipsec.secrets file actually needs09:58
awilkinsIf Chromebook Pixel had a removable HDD instead of soldered-on flash, I'd be tempted just for the screen.09:59
dwatkinsyeah, that page looks designed for a machine with two network interfaces09:59
awilkinsWhat do we think about these reports of using a 4K TV as a monitor?09:59
MartijnVdSawilkins: bad for your eyes09:59
MartijnVdSawilkins: TVs are way too bright. Also, 30Hz, really?09:59
awilkinsWell, yes, there is that09:59
dwatkinsthis is more like what I'm trying to do: http://www.mad-hacking.net/documentation/linux/networking/ipsec/nat-vpn.xml09:59
awilkinsI'm still annoyed by the "HD Revolution" though10:00
awilkinsI had 1200 vertical pixels in 200110:00
dwatkinsI can't see more than 1200 vertical pixels from the distance my sofa is from the TV10:00
awilkinsYeah, but my computer is much closer10:01
dwatkinsyeah, I have a monitor that's 2560x144010:01
awilkinsSchweet, what did that cost? CRT or flat?10:01
dwatkinsit was on offer from Amazon the christmas before last, got 40% off10:01
MartijnVdSdwatkins: I have one of those 2560x1080 (21:9) screens. It's awesome :)10:03
dwatkinsthis is the one I got: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713hm.htm10:03
shaunonow that's the right way to wake up; a customer who sends screenshots, logs, and packet captures, instead of just a vague whiney email.  I could honestly hug them10:03
awilkinsCan I swap them for one of mine?10:05
MartijnVdSor mine?10:05
shaunoI think I'm keeping this one :)10:06
awilkinsI send kernel patches - you want to swap him for me?10:08
shaunoproblem seems to be our end, but pcap goes a whole long way to helping me prove it to the right people10:10
foobarrywhere would cpusecond limit in ulimit be set?10:11
foobarrythought it was bashrc10:12
dwatkinscan be set system-wide, I imagine10:12
foobarrywhere though?10:12
daftykinsshauno: :D good customer10:12
daftykinshere in Guernsey D-Day has arrived - my boiler is being replaced!10:13
daftykinsby none other than... my brothers childhood friend10:13
daftykinsseriously this place is too small... :D10:13
dwatkinssounds like the village I grew up in.10:17
foobarryif i already did a git clone into a dir, to refresh the contents from head do i do git pull?10:21
foobarrywhile inside the dir?10:21
MartijnVdSfoobarry: that would work10:21
foobarryis that the proper approach?10:22
MartijnVdSfoobarry: unless you had made changes that conflict with the remote branch you're tracking10:22
foobarryno i already submitted those10:22
MartijnVdSfoobarry: then pull would be the right approach10:22
foobarrythere's no doc on this yet because it's interim10:22
MartijnVdSfoobarry: there is :)10:22
foobarrywhich means high chance of cockup10:22
foobarryi mean internal docs10:23
foobarrydoes git commit -a offer a y/n confirm option?10:25
MartijnVdSfoobarry: it opens an editor. I recommend always doing "git add" on the changed files and using just "commit -v"10:25
MartijnVdSyou could "commit -av", or even --interactive (to select parts of patches)10:26
MartijnVdSfoobarry: but I use "git gui" when I can, it's very good at hiding complexity :)10:26
MartijnVdS("Do I need to use 'origin/master' or 'origin master' with this command?")10:27
foobarrythanks..lots of info there10:27
directhexo hai, a controller!10:38
MartijnVdSdirecthex: you can has steam controller?10:38
popeythats rather nice of them10:38
SuperMattI would love a steam controller10:39
SuperMatthow did you get hold of that?10:39
directhexbeing amazing has its perks10:43
TheOpenSourcererLove this story just for the stupid numbers involved: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/microsoft-reveals-its-server-designs-and-releases-open-source-code/10:47
TheOpenSourcerer"... reducing network cabling by 1,100 miles and metal by 10,000 tons across our base of 1 million servers"10:47
bigcalmHave a look at directhex's user level in steam and ye olde steamose. It might suggest how perks happen :)10:48
daftykinsanyone had any experience with mid-2010 iMacs and their cooling setups?10:56
MartijnVdSdaftykins: are those the desk lamp imacs?10:58
bigcalmI see lamp, I read linux apache mysql php10:59
daftykinsnah a bit newer10:59
MartijnVdSbigcalm: http://img.bhs4.com/dd/f/ddf2b3db6166b8678a0c5a84db8db10ded75feb9_large.jpg11:00
daftykinsi'm not liking this ones temps11:00
bigcalmThe office had one of those for a bit. No idea what happened to it11:00
daftykinstrouble is that's what they look like inside11:00
MartijnVdSdaftykins: bit like a laptop11:01
daftykinswow my screens really are dusty at this time of day11:01
dwatkinsApart from the difficulty in replacing the hard drive, why is the layout a problem?11:01
daftykinsoh i changed the HDD for an SSD ages ago, that's why i have that pic11:02
dwatkinsI gather you have to use suction cups to remove the display11:02
daftykinsi'm wondering how to attack it to check if the cooling is being hampered in anyway11:02
daftykinsyeah i bought one especially :D11:02
daftykins£1.50 ebay job \o/11:03
daftykinsonly need one, too11:03
daftykinstaking the LCD out is a few screws either side, then a couple of cables11:03
daftykinsthough the screws come out right beside powerful magnets that keep the glass in place11:03
daftykinsso that can get very frustrating very quickly11:03
dwatkinssuction cups always remind me of this insane person... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXGFbDGrdCg11:04
daftykinswhat a nutcase11:05
bigcalmI shouldn't really be watching that while in a conference call11:05
daftykinshe died O_O11:05
dwatkinsoh my, yeah11:06
dwatkinsthe video I saw before was made by him11:07
Myrttidon't put one on your forehead!11:07
Myrttisomeone told me that would be stupid11:07
dwatkinsThere's a masseuse in Malta who is famous for using suction cups to relieve back pain.11:07
daftykinsbut i need more grip Myrtti :(11:07
Myrttidwatkins: in Finland suction cups used to be a very traditional folk healing method11:08
Myrttithey are still somewhat, but nowadays it doesn't involve lancing the skin before putting the cups in11:08
dwatkinsI thought it was dark magick11:09
foobarrythe train riding suction cup guy died?11:09
foobarryfrom a suction cup related incident?11:09
daftykinswell it seemed to say he died of Leukemia early in the vid, but my German isn't too hot so it might be they spoke of him pretending he was dead to stop people chasing him11:10
daftykinshe looks pretty ghostly in this vid11:10
popeydaftykins: is the cooling a problem or is it not just that the ssd doesn't have a thermocouple?11:11
daftykinspopey: well since doing the move up to Mavericks she's had it lock up twice, so i'm sort of exploring avenues11:12
daftykinsi use a program called SSD Fan Control to override the SMC and run the fans at a decent speed in place of the automated HDD sensor stuff11:12
popeytis a common problem that people replace the hdd and then find there's no temp sensor11:12
daftykinswithout that it just ramps up into hoover mode11:12
daftykinsbut nah it was running with the SSD with Snow Leopard still for ages, fine11:13
daftykinsmaybe it was just bad luck11:13
daftykinsbut yeah it kinda looks like the heatsink lower left 0o11:28
daftykinsthe fan lower right is solely for cooling the optical drive11:28
bigcalmWith .ssh/config I can ssh to a server and it'll use a specific key. Can I do it so that it only uses the key for a specific user on the remote server?11:31
MartijnVdSbigcalm: you can set "User xxx" in a Host block11:34
bigcalmMartijnVdS: ta :)11:34
bigcalmMartijnVdS: it also turns out that without that bit, ssh will try the key before falling back to password prompt11:35
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popey1GH/s really isn't much these days is it?11:52
daftykinsgigahashes? never do any of that personally11:59
ujjainHow come a site says ¨W5 2AZ¨ is an invalid postal code? it seems valid enough to me.12:00
ujjainI am going to move to the UK, so I don´t know much about UK postal codes.12:00
daftykinsthe first segment needs 3 characters12:01
Laneymaybe it doesn't exist12:01
Laneynot true12:01
bigcalmHumm, VPNs are weird12:01
daftykinsshows how much i know England too ;D12:01
daftykinsall Guernsey ones are xxx xxx12:02
popeyits london12:02
LaneyS1 1AA12:02
popeyn1 is valid12:02
bigcalmOn my desktop I can open a vpn to a client. The tunnel appears in ifconfig and there are new entries in `route`.12:02
popeythere's a massive wikipedia page with a regexp for validating them12:02
LaneyI'm guessing they are using the PAF and that postcode is not real12:02
bigcalmOn my dev server I can open a vpn to a client. The tunnel appears in ifconfig but there are no new entries in `route`.12:02
popeythats ealing, so is valid12:02
bigcalmUsing openconnect12:03
daftykinsbigcalm: are you wanting to know how to fix that or how to add routes? :>12:05
bigcalmdaftykins: I'd love to know how to fix it. It works on desktop but not on server but I don't understand why12:06
daftykinsthat part's beyond me sadly :<12:07
ujjaindaftykins, popey, W3 is not accepted though, maybe 0W3?12:07
bigcalmOh well :)12:07
popeyw3 is valid12:08
daftykinsujjain: W3 didn't occur in your first example12:08
popeyno, dont fudge about with it to try to make it valid ☻12:08
popeyn/s/e/w followed by a single digit number12:08
ujjainI am sorry, I meant W5.12:09
popeyspecifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_postal_district#List_of_London_postal_districts12:09
popeyW5 is ealing12:09
popeysee that page12:09
ujjainright, I guess some sites don´t have valid postcode validation for the UK12:09
ujjainYeah, I am planning to move to Ealing.12:09
popeycolour me unsurprised ☻12:09
ujjainwhy is that?12:11
ujjainah lol, I guess that makes sense looking back at the entire convo12:11
bigcalmdaftykins: just tested it on my 14.04 laptop and it works there as well :)12:12
daftykinsperhaps the server is calling route wrong?12:12
bigcalmdaftykins: desktop is 13.10, server is 12.04. I wonder if it's an older version issue12:12
daftykinshehe, i've ruined a friend - he used to only collect music in mp3 v0 but now he's gone FLAC he can't go back12:36
MartijnVdSdaftykins: once you go flac, you don't go back? ;)12:47
daftykinsi prefer to collect FLAC yep12:48
* MartijnVdS has lots and lots of FLAC12:48
davmor2popey: don't go here www.buildwithchrome.com12:51
davmor2popey: you will loose all productivity12:52
popeyyay, browser specific stuff12:52
shaunoI've got a weird stockpile of FLACs because I have a friend who digitizes antique records, and he uses my server for distribution12:52
daftykinsshauno: nice :)12:54
daftykinsdoes he do them to 24-bit?12:54
shaunoseems so; Willcocks 1.flac: FLAC audio bitstream data, 24 bit, stereo, 96 kHz, 134315825 samples12:54
shaunoI apparently now have 39 different recordings of Handel's Messiah12:55
davmor2popey: unlimited lego bricks just imagine what you could build :D  Ladder to the moon12:55
daftykinsshauno: good to know :D12:56
daftykinsnah lego isn't apt for tall structures12:56
daftykinsit'll crush itself under its' own weight12:56
davmor2daftykins: www.buildwithchrome.com12:57
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daftykinsdavmor2: i saw some guy had written 'Hi' but i don't really get it13:21
foobarrywhy shouldn't you use fabric softener with jeans?13:28
popeyrots elastic13:31
popeyso if they're stretchy jeans it might degrade them13:31
foobarrynot stretchy13:33
Myrttiuse spirit vinegar instead with anything13:33
foobarrymy wife insists on chucking softener with everything13:34
foobarryand my jeans fell apart13:34
MartijnVdSSoftener doesn't seem to have any effect for me.13:34
MartijnVdSso I stopped using it13:34
diploSmells nicer :)13:35
diploI use softner with most things, never had an issue13:35
foobarrymakes the drawer mouldy of the washing machine13:35
MartijnVdSfoobarry: if your washing machine is mouldy, you should run its self-cleaning program13:36
* MartijnVdS chucks most things (not running shirts etc.) into the dryer after washing. It won't be wet for long enough to become mouldy13:36
foobarryMartijnVdS: its the drawer...i just have to remove it and clean the gunk, but its skanky13:38
diploMartijnVdS: the drawer, mine does the same!13:38
foobarrybefore entering the washer13:38
MartijnVdSoh the soap drawer thing.13:38
MartijnVdSI don't use that 8-)13:38
MartijnVdS^ dissolving capsules13:39
diploI used to use those MartijnVdS, using Aldi's stuff now as it's a lot cheaper and cleans and smells just as well13:40
diploApart from it's the tablet form rather than capsules13:40
MartijnVdSI had to clean out the drain a few weeks ago, it was full of gunk13:41
MartijnVdSnow *that* is horrible.13:42
daftykinsi have an occasional nasty waft from my kitchen sink13:42
daftykinsi might have to take the U-bend off...13:42
foobarryespecially long hair13:42
daftykinsthat will probably be nasty.13:42
daftykinsyeah my long hair down the shower plug, ugh13:42
foobarryi got some one-shot stuff for the drain, unfortunately, my drain was shared among my road, and my initial drain bit was clear but the channel was backed up further down the road with chrismtas fat13:43
foobarryunknowingly poured the one-shot down the drain and it couldn't go anywhere (my drain was clear) and the suplhur smell backed up13:43
foobarrywife's friend was about to visit.13:44
diploKeep meaning to try that stuff on my drains, takes forever to drain now.. never put fat etc down but something has slowed it down13:44
foobarryas i found out, might be the drain channel13:45
daftykinsfoobarry: >_<13:45
foobarrylift up the drain cover in the garden13:45
daftykinsfoobarry: who sorted it in the end?13:45
foobarrythames water13:45
foobarryfor free13:45
daftykinsah nice13:45
foobarrybecause it was in their system rather than my drain13:45
foobarrybloke was really annoyed at me13:45
daftykinsannoying to be held up by neighbours daft actions13:46
daftykinsdid he think the fat was you?13:46
foobarrybecause he said he'd fixed it, but i insisted he turn around and come to my house because i had a blockage still13:46
diploI believe the laws have changed now, as of last few months, anything outside your house now has to be done by the water company13:46
diploWhereas it used to be your issue13:46
foobarryturned out he'd fixed it 20 mins before down the road and what i was now looking at was just the equivalent of the u bend effect13:46
foobarryhe lifted my drain cover and showed that it was flowing fereely , and said he'd unclogged a load of solid fat from number 89 with a spade13:47
foobarryi didn't know we shared the same drain channel, but i suppose thats how it works13:47
daftykinsi had tenants in my Portsmouth place that flushed sanitary products and blocked the soil pipe13:49
foobarrywhat a grim job13:49
daftykinsthey called someone out, who cut the soil pipe open to dislodge the blockings13:49
foobarryrun away!!!13:49
daftykinsbut then they *taped* it shut13:49
foobarryuh oh13:50
daftykinsso every time they had a shower or flushed, it started dripping into my basement13:50
daftykinsi was so annoyed =/13:50
daftykinsas they only contacted me once it reached the flooding basement stage13:50
diploWe had a similar issue with toilet wipes rather than paper.. and our drainage in my area has tiny sewer pipes and basically any nick in the pipe caught the wet wipes.. took me forever to clean it through with pipes13:50
foobarrytomcat7 on centos6..no repo? sucks man13:52
bashrccompile from source?13:54
foobarrynot a very "enterprise" way of doing things13:55
foobarrydownloading from apache site seems fraught with lack of upates13:57
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bashrcif there are installation instructions you could turn it into a package to make it more enterprisy14:01
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foobarryinteresting how warm a usb stick gets after copying data to it for 5 mins14:30
MartijnVdSfoobarry: some do that, yes14:31
MartijnVdSfoobarry: especially the smaller ones, I've noticed (less surface area to radiate from?)14:31
bashrcatoms are moving14:32
MartijnVdSbashrc: STOP THEM!14:32
shaunosend them to finland?14:36
MartijnVdSshauno: siberia14:36
MartijnVdSshauno: that should cool them down a bit14:37
shaunoI mean to send them to absolute zero, not put them to work ;)14:37
MartijnVdSshauno: why not both :)14:37
shaunobecause they only work when they're moving14:37
MartijnVdSshauno: so you're saying they're lazy?14:37
shaunomy head hurts14:38
popeyinteresting how warm a bitcoin mining usb stick gets!14:39
popeyi need to get a usb fan to cool it down14:40
foobarryis there such a thing?14:40
MartijnVdSfoobarry: yes!14:40
popeya few in fact14:40
popeyi have 3 hanging off my laptop14:41
shaunohm, there's usb cupwarmers.  I wonder if there's a market for a cupwarmer that mines  (combine the function of one with the form of the other)14:41
popeythats the one i was looking at14:41
foobarryi meant usb mining stick14:41
MartijnVdSpopey: your USB lamp? :)14:41
popeynot sure these things are super worth using but cheap enough to play with14:42
MartijnVdSpopey: how rich are you now then? :)14:49
MartijnVdS(or: have you mined a block yet?)14:50
foobarryhow many arm cores on these?14:51
MartijnVdSthey're custom asics, not arms14:52
foobarrywhats an asic14:52
MartijnVdSfoobarry: custom chip, basically14:52
popeylike what was in a spectrum15:01
popeya bit15:01
daftykinsfoobarry: yeah crazy things that can perform pretty much any function they're designed to, only super quickly at low clock cycles due to super efficiency15:05
Myrttimy pork shoulder is talking to me from the oven15:05
popeyooh, pork15:06
davmor2Myrtti: as long as it isn't screaming I'm on fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you should be good15:06
Myrttino, just making little pops and whistles15:07
* hamitron feels the structure of his stomach give way15:07
Seeker`Myrtti: where's mine?15:08
Seeker`daftykins: mega expensive though15:08
MyrttiSeeker`: where you left it15:08
davmor2Myrtti: wow a pig that whistles pop you must get it on Britains Got Talent15:09
daftykinshave they not already had that act? :)15:10
daftykinsthe Rice Krispie Swine15:10
davmor2daftykins: that would be snap, crackling, pig surely?15:11
daftykinsdavmor2: my creativity never was too sharp15:13
Myrttigaaahhh... atleast an hour if not two more15:24
Myrttiis it ok to eat peanut butter straight from the jar?15:24
daftykinshell yes15:24
daftykinspreferably from a large spoon15:24
daftykinsi used to do that as a kid, though i was only allowed one under parental rule15:25
davmor2Myrtti: man that is one big jar if you can get your head in it15:26
popeyi cant recall the last time I ate peanut butter15:28
popeywe bought some but the kids aren't keen, not that we've pushed it on them15:28
davmor2popey: I bet it was the last tim eyou did15:28
Myrttiit's lovely in curry and on chicken :-P15:29
Myrttimmmmm satay chicken15:29
davmor2Myrtti: and on toast15:29
Myrttiyes, with jam15:29
popeyoooh, i do like satay yes15:29
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foobarrypostgres argggh15:39
SuperMattnought wrong with postgres15:39
daftykinswoohoo gas chap finished for the first day15:41
daftykinsnew boiler up on the wall, almost plumbed in15:41
daftykinsso one night of no hot water for me15:41
daftykinsnot all that bad considering15:42
MyrttiI think the skin and the fat is trying to make a violent exit from the oven...15:47
bigcalmA developer has the following line in a script that doesn't work. I can see what they are trying to do (get the current unix timestamp), but date doesn't have -j option. Anybody know what they might have meant to do?15:47
foobarrydoes postgres role have superuser privs?15:47
bigcalm date -j +"BUILD_TIMESTAMP = %s" >> .gateway/gateway_version.py15:47
bigcalmThis is a bash script15:48
bigcalmRemoving the -j works, but what were they trying to do?15:52
ali12341use freebsd15:59
bigcalmAh, I think that dev is using macos16:01
MartijnVdSpoor dev16:02
bigcalmSo it'll have the BSD version of date with the -j16:02
ali12341yeah that sounds more plausible16:02
DJonesdaftykins: Just one bloke doing the work? When I had mine done, it took about 3 hours for two people, admittedly installing into the same place as the old boiler16:02
daftykinsDJones: yeah one guy, he's ripped out the old including the flue and fitted the new to the wall from 9am -> 3:3016:02
bigcalmTa ali1234116:03
daftykinsDJones: most of it looks plumbed in now, so i doubt he has much left to do16:03
DJonesdaftykins: Thats good, no heating/hot water in winter is not a great feeling16:03
DJonesAT least ours was done in the middle of summer16:03
MartijnVdSdaftykins: a week-long leak check ;)16:03
daftykinsDJones: :D he did amusingly say that nobody ever wants these jobs done in summer... :D16:04
daftykinsalso it's only down to 7 deg C overnight at the moment so i don't even use heating16:04
DJonesdaftykins: We had no choice, our old boiler went kaput, We struggled on for a month before the terminal nagging ear ache got to me16:05
MartijnVdSterminal ear ache?16:05
MartijnVdSwhat a horrible way to go16:05
daftykinsDJones: yeah mine was flatlining on the pressure overnight every night16:06
daftykinshad to go and fill up the water before using heating16:06
daftykinsin the outdoor outhouse...16:06
daftykinsthat's also how i have to turn it on + off as i don't have a control box16:06
daftykinsbut now - i'll have a wireless control thingy! \o/16:07
DJonesHeh, sounds sort of 1900's :)16:07
MartijnVdSdaftykins: also an app to control from home?16:07
DJonesWireless thingy is great16:07
daftykinsMartijnVdS: nah they don't seem to come with it with this Vaillant setup16:08
daftykinswhether i can hack anything onto the control module, i don't know16:08
daftykinsi did ask about home automation but in fairness i doubt i'd ever use it if i did have it16:08
DJonesdaftykins: One thing to make sure of with the remote is that you don't have anybody next door/close nearby with a similar remote using the same frequency, otherwise your boiler comes on when there's is set to come on as well. Our neighbours had a new boiler a few months after us & their engineer was too lazy to check for conflicts, ended up having to reset the frequency on ours16:12
daftykinsindeed, thanks, i shall run that by him16:12
daftykinsamusingly my parents have the same one. theirs has the wireless reset button and a label "do not press" beside it16:13
daftykinsi wonder if that's just to stop customers from doing it when they don't know how16:13
DJonesIf its like ours, on its own it doesn't do anything, with ours you have to physically change dip switches on the receiver connected to the boiler, then on the remote, then press the reset button16:14
daftykinsDIP switches remind me of the apricot computers we had... :D16:15
DJonesApricot 386's ?16:16
DJonesMaybe 48616:16
daftykinshmm struggling to remember, one was floppy only the other had 10MB removable cartridges of storage16:16
daftykinsplayed lemmings at least ;D16:17
davmor2DJones: Apricot was arm surely16:17
DJonesI'm thinking of something like http://classictech.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/scan0002.jpg16:17
daftykinsthat's the very monitor even :D16:17
daftykinsmy dad 'won' them from his work when they were sold off in a raffle16:18
daftykinsthey would blind-bid for office equipment that was being shifted16:18
daftykinshis retirement plan is still to network them up again someday...16:18
DJonesThis is pretty much what we used http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=99516:19
DJones386DX-25 :)16:19
daftykinsdid anyone read about the drama going on at Bletchley park? it sounds quite sad =/16:19
davmor2D'oh acorn no apricot fool  DJones 286 and 48616:20
DJonesdaftykins: Yeah, seems to be going on for a while16:20
daftykinsheh we had acorns in my secondary school when i was there from '96 through to ~200116:21
daftykinsi was there longer but they finally got PCs around then i think16:21
daftykinsthe acorns were a bit of a laugh16:22
shaunowe had bbc micros when I left in '98 :|16:22
bigcalmIs there a way to crawl a directory and list all files and sub-directories in one go?16:23
DJonesKids......When I left secondary school, it'd just gotten 2 ZX81's16:24
bigcalmshauno: that's wonderful, ta16:25
bigcalmNow, how about on a RedHat server that I can't install anything on? ;)16:25
bigcalmOh, blow me16:26
bigcalmIt's installed :)16:26
shaunoyou can kinda replace it with16:27
shaunols -R | grep ":$" | sed -e 's/:$//' -e 's/[^-][^\/]*\//--/g' -e 's/^/   /' -e 's/-/|/'16:27
shaunobut 'tree' is prettier.  with colours and stuff :)16:27
davmor2bigcalm: ls -R ?16:29
davmor2bigcalm: ls -R path/to/top/layer/16:32
bigcalmTa, tree worked :)16:32
mappsanyone familiar with ajax? i wanted to open an external URL but by default can only open stuff on same server..16:42
davmor2mapps: by typing ajax open an external url I get this as the first hit http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4613310/how-to-call-external-url-in-jquery maybe it will help16:44
mappslooks liki read up on access controls..but dont think i can do anything..will check that url thanks16:45
mappsstill not sure16:55
mappswonder if proxypass cvould help16:55
bigcalmmapps: can you access the external URL from the web browser without issue?16:57
mappsbut its to do with the access controls with ajax17:00
mappsand having to be same domain requests normally17:00
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directhexikonia, got it working :)17:14
ali12341this buggy php code... so many bugs17:23
daftykinsthe clue was in the name! :D17:24
bigcalmMy desktop machine (13.10) booted with no clock in the notification area today. I wonder why18:04
bigcalmThis sometimes happens on 14.04 as well18:04
davmor2bigcalm: it hates you18:08
shaunoit couldn't figure out how to fit 'wednesday' so decided not to bother18:08
davmor2bigcalm: I wonder if you have a third party app/indicator that is conflicting with it in a race condition18:09
bigcalmdavmor2: can't imagine that I would, but anything is possible18:09
davmor2bigcalm: personally I blame php that's bound to be at fault :P18:10
bigcalmBecause PHP interacts with Unity...18:10
bigcalmYou can mock me, but it has to make sense :P18:10
bigcalmWish it were LUG night so I could prod you with my new laptop18:11
ali12341bug 122836018:11
lubotu3bug 1228360 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "No clock in menu bar and can't edit Clock settings" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122836018:11
bigcalmWell I never :)18:12
directhexclock crashes often for me on 13.1018:13
bigcalm`killall killall unity-panel-service` brought it back18:16
bigcalmJust the one killall :)18:16
ali12341the buggy php code was caused because half the code defines week number as (days since new year)/7 and the other half defines it as date("W")18:19
ali12341it just so happens that the code was written in a year where these are equal18:21
ali12341however, judging from the rest of the code quality, i doubt that they would have spotted it regardless18:21
Myrttididn't someone from here link me to a surplus store or a candy store or something that sold foodstuffs that were going almost out of date or something?18:25
bigcalmMyrtti: http://www.approvedfood.co.uk/ ?18:26
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JGJonesWhat a great idea.18:33
ali12341surf has a best before?18:34
Myrttibigcalm: thankies18:44
* knightwise is looking for sonic screwdriver soundeffects for his wife phone19:09
MartijnVdSknightwise: http://soundfxnow.com/sound-fx/doctor-who-sonic-screwdriver/ (2nd hit on google..)19:15
MartijnVdShttp://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/index.shtml has a few19:15
MartijnVdSknightwise: why not http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/exterminate.mp3 ? :)19:20
MartijnVdSknightwise: or http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/child1.mp319:21
knightwisehaa :) but it has to be the RIGHT screwdriver for her :) the TENTH doctors screwdriver :)19:28
knightwiseShe is a tennant girl :)19:28
knightwiseFound one on yourube meanwhile :)19:28
MartijnVdSknightwise: just go for "Are you my mummy?" instead then19:28
knightwiseThis is good too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfiP915CfiM#t=70 :) Star wars impressions19:28
knightwisehaha :) are you my mummy wouldn't fly with @niejana19:28
MartijnVdSknightwise: too scary?19:30
knightwiseno :) she's not the mommy type :)19:30
MartijnVdSknightwise: "Exterminate" then?19:30
MartijnVdSknightwise: "You will be DELETED"19:31
knightwisehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/knightwise/11888545116/in/photostream/  :)19:32
knightwiseshe loves the daleks though19:32
MartijnVdSknightwise: if you want to sleep on the couch, go for "Moisturize me!"19:32
knightwisehahahaha :)19:34
knightwiseshe says you guys should tread carefully :p19:34
Myrttitalking of ApprovedFood, http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/29/prosecutors-drop-case-men-food-iceland-bins20:03
daftykinshe looks like a fine chap20:04
daftykinslet me dumpster-dive if he wants!20:04
daftykinsme? him!20:04
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ikoniadirecthex: bravo !22:09
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