[00:19] <mapps> what to watch
[00:19] <mapps> hm
[00:20] <diddledan> http://asmblah.github.io/uniter/demo/interactive.html
[00:20] <diddledan> php. in javascript.
[00:20] <diddledan> #thatisall
[00:26] <mapps> what is it
[00:28] <diddledan> it's a php interpreter running by virtue of javascript in the browser
[00:28] <diddledan> the php code you see there is never sent to a server
[00:28] <diddledan> it all executes in your browser
[00:29] <shauno> I saw one where they'd built latex in js recently
[00:30] <shauno> emscripten has a lot to answer for
[07:09] <knightwise> morning everyon e
[07:12] <Myrtti> mäeh
[07:17] <knightwise> hey Myrtti how is the move going ?
[07:17] <Myrtti> I've emptied a dresser.
[07:17] <Myrtti> well, a chest of drawers.
[07:17] <Myrtti> woo.
[07:18] <Myrtti> in short: it's not really, but I pretend it is
[07:19] <knightwise> its a step .. no :)  ?
[07:28] <MartijnVdS> Morning!
[07:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:57] <diplo> Morning all
[07:58] <knightwise> hey diplo !
[08:00] <diplo> Car broke down last night :( walked home and back in today! Hope I get a reply from my mechanic this morning :/
[08:03] <knightwise> thats crappy dude
[08:03] <brobostigon> :(
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> diplo: do you know which part broke?
[08:14] <diplo> Nope, had lots of work done on it over the last 2 weeks
[08:15] <diplo> Got it back Saturday, been running fine, was fine to work. Started it up last night and it was basically chugging away like it was either missing or not enough fuel/air
[08:16] <diplo> So luckily I hadn't got far so pushed it back to car park and walked home before I kicked the *ahem* out of it :)
[08:16] <diplo> Much more relaxed today
[08:17] <popey> ugh
[08:17] <popey> buying something on ebay from someone who smokes
[08:17] <diplo> :/
[08:27] <diplo> Right, got to get my parents a PC.. got about £300-400 to spend. Before I go looking any recommendations
[08:27] <diplo> ?
[08:27] <diplo> I can build or buy whole
[08:34] <brobostigon> anyone on three, whose data is entirly dead, and wont even connect up.?
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Freethinkers Day! :-D
[08:52] <SuperMatt> oooh, my nexus 5 is a sexy thing
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: it is!
[08:52]  * brobostigon is mega jealous
[08:56] <SuperMatt> gosh darn it's fast and responsive
[09:21] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[09:25] <awilkins> o/
[09:33] <foobarry> what did you have before SuperMatt
[09:34] <SuperMatt> s3
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> Amazon?
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[09:35] <SuperMatt> no, samsung galaxy s3, you silly goose
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: That has a lot less storage though
[09:35] <foobarry> are you selling the s3?
[09:36] <foobarry> or the s3 died?
[09:37] <SuperMatt> I haven't decided that stuff yet
[09:39] <SuperMatt> I've got a couple of friends who might want to buy it off me, so I might sell it
[09:42] <bigcalm> Oo, my contract is up in May. Haven't seen anything I like over my SGS3 though
[09:43] <bigcalm> Early upgrade date: 08/05/2014
[09:43] <bigcalm> Upgrade date: 08/05/2014
[09:43] <bigcalm> Thanks t-mobile
[09:44] <foobarry> need to buy my missis a recent but not brand new phone
[09:44] <diplo> Not had a contract phone in 6+ years now
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> Only had one the very first time
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> then I saw the amount of crapware loaded onto it that I couldn't remove (old nokia..) I started buying my own phones
[09:47] <awilkins> Google did us all a real favour with the Nexus line in that respect
[09:47] <foobarry> nexus 4 aint available any more is it?
[09:47] <awilkins> Not from Google Shoppe
[09:47] <awilkins> Sure you can pick them up very reasonably from eBay / old retail stock
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> Ye Olde Google Shoppe?
[09:48] <awilkins> Aye, Ye Olde Famous Chocolate Factory Shoppe
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> but why go for the N4? N5 is cheaper than most other phones with the same performance
[09:49] <awilkins> If I didn't have an N4 that was still very acceptable, I'd probably get an N5
[09:49] <awilkins> Much better cost model than £30-40 a month for a carrier locked phone
[09:50] <awilkins> £280 + £10 a month for a package that has more than I can eat in it (including tethering)
[09:50] <SuperMatt> my s3 is mostly acceptable, but I was getting more and more annoyed by the differences between stock andoid on my nexus 10 and the touchwiz stuff that samsung do
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ah, net-neutrality-by-law ;)
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ("Oh you're tethering? We're not allowed to look/charge more.")
[09:51] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Nope, just have a carrier that lets you tether on their package with limited bits
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Mine's on .nl rules :)
[09:51] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, If you pay £12 a month you lose the tethering because you get unlimited bits
[09:51] <awilkins> 1GB is enough for me, I think even with heavy use I only draw about 250MB a month
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: yeah, but I'm saying, Dutch providers can't do that because they can't look inside your packets to see if you're tethering or not :)
[09:52] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, I've long been envious of the whole Dutch network thing - you all had superduper fast broadband way before us
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> So I have 11GB + tethering for €30/month @ 25/25mbit 3G
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> 4G
[09:53] <awilkins> You could probably get away with tethering as long as you tunnel it all via SSH
[09:53] <dwatkins> I have unlimited internets on my phone (but not on my fibre connection at home, where I'm limited to 200 GB/month)
[09:53] <awilkins> Even on the non-tether packages
[09:53] <awilkins> Because they can't tell you you can't do SSH on Android because you can
[09:53] <dwatkins> I couldn't find a good ssh tunnelling tool for android when I looked a while ago
[09:53] <awilkins> They likely only snoop web traffic and use your client identifier
[09:54] <awilkins> dwatkins, Don't need an Android SSH tunneling tool
[09:54] <dwatkins> it's built into the OS now?
[09:54] <awilkins> dwatkins, Tether my laptop and run SSH on that
[09:54] <dwatkins> ah, that kind of tunnelling
[09:54] <awilkins> Then everything goes through the built in SSH SOCKS
[09:54] <dwatkins> I was thinking of poor-man's VPN via ssh
[09:55] <awilkins> Probably need to root Android to do that
[09:55] <awilkins> But doable
[09:55] <dwatkins> yeah, I only found one app which appeared to fit the bill, it was designed for users in China to tunnel out and redirect traffic to an external server
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> you could just set up an ipsec vpn instead.
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> that's built into android
[09:56] <dwatkins> can I do that on top of my existing ssh config fairly easily, MartijnVdS?
[09:56] <SuperMatt> gods, the screen on this thing is so nice
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ipsec is completely separate
[09:56] <dwatkins> groovy
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/L2TPServer
[09:57] <dwatkins> excellent, cheers MartijnVdS
[09:57] <dwatkins> something to keep me busy this evening
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> that guide seems a bit rough
[09:57] <dwatkins> no worries, it looks fairly straightfowards
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://rootmanager.com/ubuntu-ipsec-l2tp-windows-domain-auth/setting-up-openswan-xl2tpd-with-native-windows-clients-lucid.html
[09:58] <dwatkins> I use port forwarding at home, so I might have to read up on which IP address the /etc/ipsec.secrets file actually needs
[09:59] <awilkins> If Chromebook Pixel had a removable HDD instead of soldered-on flash, I'd be tempted just for the screen.
[09:59] <dwatkins> yeah, that page looks designed for a machine with two network interfaces
[09:59] <awilkins> What do we think about these reports of using a 4K TV as a monitor?
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: bad for your eyes
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: TVs are way too bright. Also, 30Hz, really?
[09:59] <awilkins> Well, yes, there is that
[09:59] <dwatkins> this is more like what I'm trying to do: http://www.mad-hacking.net/documentation/linux/networking/ipsec/nat-vpn.xml
[10:00] <awilkins> I'm still annoyed by the "HD Revolution" though
[10:00] <awilkins> I had 1200 vertical pixels in 2001
[10:00] <dwatkins> I can't see more than 1200 vertical pixels from the distance my sofa is from the TV
[10:01] <awilkins> Yeah, but my computer is much closer
[10:01] <dwatkins> yeah, I have a monitor that's 2560x1440
[10:01] <awilkins> Schweet, what did that cost? CRT or flat?
[10:01] <dwatkins> it was on offer from Amazon the christmas before last, got 40% off
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I have one of those 2560x1080 (21:9) screens. It's awesome :)
[10:03] <dwatkins> this is the one I got: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713hm.htm
[10:03] <shauno> now that's the right way to wake up; a customer who sends screenshots, logs, and packet captures, instead of just a vague whiney email.  I could honestly hug them
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:05] <awilkins> Can I swap them for one of mine?
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> or mine?
[10:06] <shauno> I think I'm keeping this one :)
[10:08] <awilkins> I send kernel patches - you want to swap him for me?
[10:10] <shauno> problem seems to be our end, but pcap goes a whole long way to helping me prove it to the right people
[10:11] <foobarry> where would cpusecond limit in ulimit be set?
[10:12] <foobarry> thought it was bashrc
[10:12] <dwatkins> can be set system-wide, I imagine
[10:12] <foobarry> where though?
[10:12] <daftykins> shauno: :D good customer
[10:13] <daftykins> here in Guernsey D-Day has arrived - my boiler is being replaced!
[10:13] <daftykins> by none other than... my brothers childhood friend
[10:13] <daftykins> seriously this place is too small... :D
[10:17] <dwatkins> sounds like the village I grew up in.
[10:18] <daftykins> heh
[10:21] <foobarry> if i already did a git clone into a dir, to refresh the contents from head do i do git pull?
[10:21] <foobarry> while inside the dir?
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that would work
[10:22] <foobarry> is that the proper approach?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: unless you had made changes that conflict with the remote branch you're tracking
[10:22] <foobarry> no i already submitted those
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: then pull would be the right approach
[10:22] <foobarry> ta
[10:22] <foobarry> there's no doc on this yet because it's interim
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: there is :)
[10:22] <foobarry> which means high chance of cockup
[10:23] <foobarry> i mean internal docs
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/315911/git-for-beginners-the-definitive-practical-guide
[10:25] <foobarry> does git commit -a offer a y/n confirm option?
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: it opens an editor. I recommend always doing "git add" on the changed files and using just "commit -v"
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> you could "commit -av", or even --interactive (to select parts of patches)
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: but I use "git gui" when I can, it's very good at hiding complexity :)
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> ("Do I need to use 'origin/master' or 'origin master' with this command?")
[10:27] <foobarry> thanks..lots of info there
[10:38] <directhex> o hai, a controller!
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> directhex: you can has steam controller?
[10:38] <popey> thats rather nice of them
[10:38] <directhex> yes!
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I would love a steam controller
[10:39] <SuperMatt> how did you get hold of that?
[10:43] <directhex> being amazing has its perks
[10:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Love this story just for the stupid numbers involved: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/microsoft-reveals-its-server-designs-and-releases-open-source-code/
[10:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> "... reducing network cabling by 1,100 miles and metal by 10,000 tons across our base of 1 million servers"
[10:48] <bigcalm> Have a look at directhex's user level in steam and ye olde steamose. It might suggest how perks happen :)
[10:56] <daftykins> anyone had any experience with mid-2010 iMacs and their cooling setups?
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: are those the desk lamp imacs?
[10:59] <bigcalm> I see lamp, I read linux apache mysql php
[10:59] <daftykins> nah a bit newer
[10:59] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/q05xx6jpnkq07hp/IMG_20140121_151058.jpg
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://img.bhs4.com/dd/f/ddf2b3db6166b8678a0c5a84db8db10ded75feb9_large.jpg
[11:00] <daftykins> i'm not liking this ones temps
[11:00] <bigcalm> The office had one of those for a bit. No idea what happened to it
[11:00] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8nnjsuc645uz7id/IMG_20130314_171000.jpg
[11:00] <daftykins> trouble is that's what they look like inside
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: bit like a laptop
[11:01] <daftykins> wow my screens really are dusty at this time of day
[11:01] <dwatkins> Apart from the difficulty in replacing the hard drive, why is the layout a problem?
[11:02] <daftykins> oh i changed the HDD for an SSD ages ago, that's why i have that pic
[11:02] <dwatkins> I gather you have to use suction cups to remove the display
[11:02] <daftykins> i'm wondering how to attack it to check if the cooling is being hampered in anyway
[11:02] <daftykins> yeah i bought one especially :D
[11:03] <daftykins> £1.50 ebay job \o/
[11:03] <daftykins> only need one, too
[11:03] <daftykins> taking the LCD out is a few screws either side, then a couple of cables
[11:03] <daftykins> though the screws come out right beside powerful magnets that keep the glass in place
[11:03] <daftykins> so that can get very frustrating very quickly
[11:04] <dwatkins> suction cups always remind me of this insane person... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXGFbDGrdCg
[11:05] <daftykins> what a nutcase
[11:05] <dwatkins> yep
[11:05] <bigcalm> I shouldn't really be watching that while in a conference call
[11:05] <daftykins> XD
[11:05] <daftykins> he died O_O
[11:06] <dwatkins> oh my, yeah
[11:06] <Myrtti> SUCTION CUPS SUCTION CUPS
[11:07] <dwatkins> the video I saw before was made by him
[11:07] <Myrtti> don't put one on your forehead!
[11:07] <Myrtti> someone told me that would be stupid
[11:07] <dwatkins> There's a masseuse in Malta who is famous for using suction cups to relieve back pain.
[11:07] <daftykins> but i need more grip Myrtti :(
[11:08] <Myrtti> dwatkins: in Finland suction cups used to be a very traditional folk healing method
[11:08] <Myrtti> they are still somewhat, but nowadays it doesn't involve lancing the skin before putting the cups in
[11:09] <dwatkins> I thought it was dark magick
[11:09] <foobarry> the train riding suction cup guy died?
[11:09] <foobarry> from a suction cup related incident?
[11:10] <daftykins> well it seemed to say he died of Leukemia early in the vid, but my German isn't too hot so it might be they spoke of him pretending he was dead to stop people chasing him
[11:10] <daftykins> he looks pretty ghostly in this vid
[11:11] <popey> daftykins: is the cooling a problem or is it not just that the ssd doesn't have a thermocouple?
[11:12] <daftykins> popey: well since doing the move up to Mavericks she's had it lock up twice, so i'm sort of exploring avenues
[11:12] <daftykins> i use a program called SSD Fan Control to override the SMC and run the fans at a decent speed in place of the automated HDD sensor stuff
[11:12] <popey> tis a common problem that people replace the hdd and then find there's no temp sensor
[11:12] <popey> right
[11:12] <daftykins> without that it just ramps up into hoover mode
[11:13] <daftykins> but nah it was running with the SSD with Snow Leopard still for ages, fine
[11:13] <daftykins> maybe it was just bad luck
[11:28] <daftykins> but yeah it kinda looks like the heatsink lower left 0o
[11:28] <daftykins> the fan lower right is solely for cooling the optical drive
[11:31] <bigcalm> With .ssh/config I can ssh to a server and it'll use a specific key. Can I do it so that it only uses the key for a specific user on the remote server?
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you can set "User xxx" in a Host block
[11:34] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ta :)
[11:35] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: it also turns out that without that bit, ssh will try the key before falling back to password prompt
[11:52] <popey> 1GH/s really isn't much these days is it?
[11:59] <daftykins> gigahashes? never do any of that personally
[12:00] <ujjain> How come a site says ¨W5 2AZ¨ is an invalid postal code? it seems valid enough to me.
[12:00] <ujjain> I am going to move to the UK, so I don´t know much about UK postal codes.
[12:01] <daftykins> the first segment needs 3 characters
[12:01] <Laney> maybe it doesn't exist
[12:01] <Laney> not true
[12:01] <bigcalm> Humm, VPNs are weird
[12:01] <daftykins> no?
[12:01] <daftykins> shows how much i know England too ;D
[12:02] <daftykins> all Guernsey ones are xxx xxx
[12:02] <popey> its london
[12:02] <Laney> S1 1AA
[12:02] <popey> n1 is valid
[12:02] <bigcalm> On my desktop I can open a vpn to a client. The tunnel appears in ifconfig and there are new entries in `route`.
[12:02] <popey> there's a massive wikipedia page with a regexp for validating them
[12:02] <Laney> I'm guessing they are using the PAF and that postcode is not real
[12:02] <bigcalm> On my dev server I can open a vpn to a client. The tunnel appears in ifconfig but there are no new entries in `route`.
[12:02] <popey> thats ealing, so is valid
[12:03] <bigcalm> Using openconnect
[12:05] <daftykins> bigcalm: are you wanting to know how to fix that or how to add routes? :>
[12:06] <bigcalm> daftykins: I'd love to know how to fix it. It works on desktop but not on server but I don't understand why
[12:07] <daftykins> that part's beyond me sadly :<
[12:07] <ujjain> daftykins, popey, W3 is not accepted though, maybe 0W3?
[12:07] <bigcalm> Oh well :)
[12:08] <popey> w3 is valid
[12:08] <daftykins> ujjain: W3 didn't occur in your first example
[12:08] <popey> no, dont fudge about with it to try to make it valid ☻
[12:08] <popey> n/s/e/w followed by a single digit number
[12:09] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_postal_district
[12:09] <ujjain> I am sorry, I meant W5.
[12:09] <popey> specifically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_postal_district#List_of_London_postal_districts
[12:09] <popey> W5 is ealing
[12:09] <popey> see that page
[12:09] <ujjain> right, I guess some sites don´t have valid postcode validation for the UK
[12:09] <popey> possibly.
[12:09] <ujjain> Yeah, I am planning to move to Ealing.
[12:09] <popey> colour me unsurprised ☻
[12:11] <ujjain> why is that?
[12:11] <ujjain> ah lol, I guess that makes sense looking back at the entire convo
[12:12] <bigcalm> daftykins: just tested it on my 14.04 laptop and it works there as well :)
[12:12] <daftykins> :o
[12:12] <daftykins> perhaps the server is calling route wrong?
[12:12] <bigcalm> daftykins: desktop is 13.10, server is 12.04. I wonder if it's an older version issue
[12:36] <daftykins> hehe, i've ruined a friend - he used to only collect music in mp3 v0 but now he's gone FLAC he can't go back
[12:36] <daftykins> :D
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: once you go flac, you don't go back? ;)
[12:48] <daftykins> i prefer to collect FLAC yep
[12:48]  * MartijnVdS has lots and lots of FLAC
[12:51] <davmor2> popey: don't go here www.buildwithchrome.com
[12:51] <popey> why?
[12:52] <davmor2> popey: you will loose all productivity
[12:52] <popey> ah
[12:52] <popey> yay, browser specific stuff
[12:52] <shauno> I've got a weird stockpile of FLACs because I have a friend who digitizes antique records, and he uses my server for distribution
[12:54] <daftykins> shauno: nice :)
[12:54] <daftykins> does he do them to 24-bit?
[12:54] <shauno> seems so; Willcocks 1.flac: FLAC audio bitstream data, 24 bit, stereo, 96 kHz, 134315825 samples
[12:55] <shauno> I apparently now have 39 different recordings of Handel's Messiah
[12:55] <davmor2> popey: unlimited lego bricks just imagine what you could build :D  Ladder to the moon
[12:56] <daftykins> shauno: good to know :D
[12:56] <daftykins> nah lego isn't apt for tall structures
[12:56] <daftykins> it'll crush itself under its' own weight
[12:57] <davmor2> daftykins: www.buildwithchrome.com
[13:21] <daftykins> davmor2: i saw some guy had written 'Hi' but i don't really get it
[13:28] <foobarry> why shouldn't you use fabric softener with jeans?
[13:31] <popey> rots elastic
[13:31] <popey> so if they're stretchy jeans it might degrade them
[13:33] <foobarry> not stretchy
[13:33] <Myrtti> use spirit vinegar instead with anything
[13:34] <foobarry> my wife insists on chucking softener with everything
[13:34] <foobarry> and my jeans fell apart
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> Softener doesn't seem to have any effect for me.
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> so I stopped using it
[13:35] <diplo> Smells nicer :)
[13:35] <diplo> I use softner with most things, never had an issue
[13:35] <foobarry> makes the drawer mouldy of the washing machine
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: if your washing machine is mouldy, you should run its self-cleaning program
[13:36]  * MartijnVdS chucks most things (not running shirts etc.) into the dryer after washing. It won't be wet for long enough to become mouldy
[13:38] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: its the drawer...i just have to remove it and clean the gunk, but its skanky
[13:38] <diplo> MartijnVdS: the drawer, mine does the same!
[13:38] <foobarry> before entering the washer
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> oh the soap drawer thing.
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> I don't use that 8-)
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> http://imgur.com/1BeBzvl
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> ^ dissolving capsules
[13:40] <diplo> I used to use those MartijnVdS, using Aldi's stuff now as it's a lot cheaper and cleans and smells just as well
[13:40] <diplo> Apart from it's the tablet form rather than capsules
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> I had to clean out the drain a few weeks ago, it was full of gunk
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> now *that* is horrible.
[13:42] <daftykins> i have an occasional nasty waft from my kitchen sink
[13:42] <daftykins> i might have to take the U-bend off...
[13:42] <foobarry> especially long hair
[13:42] <daftykins> that will probably be nasty.
[13:42] <daftykins> yeah my long hair down the shower plug, ugh
[13:43] <foobarry> i got some one-shot stuff for the drain, unfortunately, my drain was shared among my road, and my initial drain bit was clear but the channel was backed up further down the road with chrismtas fat
[13:43] <foobarry> unknowingly poured the one-shot down the drain and it couldn't go anywhere (my drain was clear) and the suplhur smell backed up
[13:44] <foobarry> wife's friend was about to visit.
[13:44] <foobarry> woops
[13:44] <diplo> Keep meaning to try that stuff on my drains, takes forever to drain now.. never put fat etc down but something has slowed it down
[13:45] <foobarry> as i found out, might be the drain channel
[13:45] <daftykins> foobarry: >_<
[13:45] <foobarry> lift up the drain cover in the garden
[13:45] <daftykins> foobarry: who sorted it in the end?
[13:45] <foobarry> thames water
[13:45] <foobarry> for free
[13:45] <daftykins> ah nice
[13:45] <foobarry> because it was in their system rather than my drain
[13:45] <daftykins> *nod*
[13:45] <foobarry> bloke was really annoyed at me
[13:46] <daftykins> annoying to be held up by neighbours daft actions
[13:46] <daftykins> did he think the fat was you?
[13:46] <foobarry> because he said he'd fixed it, but i insisted he turn around and come to my house because i had a blockage still
[13:46] <diplo> I believe the laws have changed now, as of last few months, anything outside your house now has to be done by the water company
[13:46] <diplo> Whereas it used to be your issue
[13:46] <foobarry> turned out he'd fixed it 20 mins before down the road and what i was now looking at was just the equivalent of the u bend effect
[13:47] <foobarry> he lifted my drain cover and showed that it was flowing fereely , and said he'd unclogged a load of solid fat from number 89 with a spade
[13:47] <foobarry> i didn't know we shared the same drain channel, but i suppose thats how it works
[13:49] <daftykins> i had tenants in my Portsmouth place that flushed sanitary products and blocked the soil pipe
[13:49] <foobarry> ewww
[13:49] <foobarry> what a grim job
[13:49] <daftykins> they called someone out, who cut the soil pipe open to dislodge the blockings
[13:49] <foobarry> run away!!!
[13:49] <daftykins> but then they *taped* it shut
[13:50] <foobarry> uh oh
[13:50] <daftykins> so every time they had a shower or flushed, it started dripping into my basement
[13:50] <daftykins> i was so annoyed =/
[13:50] <daftykins> as they only contacted me once it reached the flooding basement stage
[13:50] <diplo> We had a similar issue with toilet wipes rather than paper.. and our drainage in my area has tiny sewer pipes and basically any nick in the pipe caught the wet wipes.. took me forever to clean it through with pipes
[13:52] <foobarry> tomcat7 on centos6..no repo? sucks man
[13:54] <bashrc> compile from source?
[13:55] <foobarry> not a very "enterprise" way of doing things
[13:57] <foobarry> downloading from apache site seems fraught with lack of upates
[14:01] <bashrc> if there are installation instructions you could turn it into a package to make it more enterprisy
[14:30] <foobarry> interesting how warm a usb stick gets after copying data to it for 5 mins
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: some do that, yes
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: especially the smaller ones, I've noticed (less surface area to radiate from?)
[14:32] <bashrc> atoms are moving
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: STOP THEM!
[14:36] <shauno> send them to finland?
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: siberia
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that should cool them down a bit
[14:37] <shauno> I mean to send them to absolute zero, not put them to work ;)
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> shauno: why not both :)
[14:37] <shauno> because they only work when they're moving
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> shauno: so you're saying they're lazy?
[14:38] <shauno> my head hurts
[14:39] <popey> interesting how warm a bitcoin mining usb stick gets!
[14:40] <popey> i need to get a usb fan to cool it down
[14:40] <foobarry> is there such a thing?
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: yes!
[14:40] <popey> yeah
[14:40] <popey> a few in fact
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Desktop-Power-Laptop-Table-BuyinCoins/dp/B005GYU8H0
[14:41] <popey> i have 3 hanging off my laptop
[14:41] <shauno> hm, there's usb cupwarmers.  I wonder if there's a market for a cupwarmer that mines  (combine the function of one with the form of the other)
[14:41] <popey> thats the one i was looking at
[14:41] <foobarry> i meant usb mining stick
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: your USB lamp? :)
[14:42] <popey> not sure these things are super worth using but cheap enough to play with
[14:42] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyQewTBwAtM
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: how rich are you now then? :)
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> (or: have you mined a block yet?)
[14:51] <foobarry> how many arm cores on these?
[14:51] <shauno> none?
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> they're custom asics, not arms
[14:52] <foobarry> whats an asic
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: custom chip, basically
[14:52] <foobarry> weird
[15:01] <popey> like what was in a spectrum
[15:01] <popey> kinda
[15:01] <popey> a bit
[15:05] <daftykins> foobarry: yeah crazy things that can perform pretty much any function they're designed to, only super quickly at low clock cycles due to super efficiency
[15:05] <Myrtti> my pork shoulder is talking to me from the oven
[15:06] <popey> ooh, pork
[15:06] <davmor2> Myrtti: as long as it isn't screaming I'm on fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you should be good
[15:07] <Myrtti> no, just making little pops and whistles
[15:07]  * hamitron feels the structure of his stomach give way
[15:08] <Seeker`> Myrtti: where's mine?
[15:08] <Seeker`> daftykins: mega expensive though
[15:08] <Myrtti> Seeker`: where you left it
[15:09] <daftykins> :D
[15:09] <davmor2> Myrtti: wow a pig that whistles pop you must get it on Britains Got Talent
[15:10] <daftykins> have they not already had that act? :)
[15:10] <daftykins> the Rice Krispie Swine
[15:11] <davmor2> daftykins: that would be snap, crackling, pig surely?
[15:12] <daftykins> ;D
[15:13] <daftykins> davmor2: my creativity never was too sharp
[15:24] <Myrtti> gaaahhh... atleast an hour if not two more
[15:24] <Myrtti> is it ok to eat peanut butter straight from the jar?
[15:24] <daftykins> hell yes
[15:24] <daftykins> preferably from a large spoon
[15:25] <daftykins> i used to do that as a kid, though i was only allowed one under parental rule
[15:26] <davmor2> Myrtti: man that is one big jar if you can get your head in it
[15:27] <daftykins> XD
[15:28] <popey> i cant recall the last time I ate peanut butter
[15:28] <popey> we bought some but the kids aren't keen, not that we've pushed it on them
[15:28] <davmor2> popey: I bet it was the last tim eyou did
[15:29] <Myrtti> it's lovely in curry and on chicken :-P
[15:29] <Myrtti> mmmmm satay chicken
[15:29] <davmor2> Myrtti: and on toast
[15:29] <Myrtti> yes, with jam
[15:29] <popey> oooh, i do like satay yes
[15:39] <foobarry> postgres argggh
[15:39] <SuperMatt> nought wrong with postgres
[15:41] <daftykins> woohoo gas chap finished for the first day
[15:41] <daftykins> new boiler up on the wall, almost plumbed in
[15:41] <daftykins> so one night of no hot water for me
[15:42] <daftykins> not all that bad considering
[15:47] <Myrtti> I think the skin and the fat is trying to make a violent exit from the oven...
[15:47] <bigcalm> A developer has the following line in a script that doesn't work. I can see what they are trying to do (get the current unix timestamp), but date doesn't have -j option. Anybody know what they might have meant to do?
[15:47] <foobarry> does postgres role have superuser privs?
[15:47] <bigcalm>  date -j +"BUILD_TIMESTAMP = %s" >> .gateway/gateway_version.py
[15:48] <bigcalm> This is a bash script
[15:52] <bigcalm> Removing the -j works, but what were they trying to do?
[15:59] <ali12341> use freebsd
[15:59] <ali12341> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=date&sektion=1
[16:01] <bigcalm> Ah, I think that dev is using macos
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> poor dev
[16:02] <bigcalm> So it'll have the BSD version of date with the -j
[16:02] <ali12341> yeah that sounds more plausible
[16:02] <DJones> daftykins: Just one bloke doing the work? When I had mine done, it took about 3 hours for two people, admittedly installing into the same place as the old boiler
[16:02] <daftykins> DJones: yeah one guy, he's ripped out the old including the flue and fitted the new to the wall from 9am -> 3:30
[16:03] <bigcalm> Ta ali12341
[16:03] <daftykins> DJones: most of it looks plumbed in now, so i doubt he has much left to do
[16:03] <DJones> daftykins: Thats good, no heating/hot water in winter is not a great feeling
[16:03] <DJones> AT least ours was done in the middle of summer
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: a week-long leak check ;)
[16:04] <daftykins> DJones: :D he did amusingly say that nobody ever wants these jobs done in summer... :D
[16:04] <daftykins> also it's only down to 7 deg C overnight at the moment so i don't even use heating
[16:05] <DJones> daftykins: We had no choice, our old boiler went kaput, We struggled on for a month before the terminal nagging ear ache got to me
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> terminal ear ache?
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> what a horrible way to go
[16:05] <daftykins> lol
[16:06] <daftykins> DJones: yeah mine was flatlining on the pressure overnight every night
[16:06] <daftykins> had to go and fill up the water before using heating
[16:06] <daftykins> in the outdoor outhouse...
[16:06] <daftykins> that's also how i have to turn it on + off as i don't have a control box
[16:07] <daftykins> but now - i'll have a wireless control thingy! \o/
[16:07] <DJones> Heh, sounds sort of 1900's :)
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: also an app to control from home?
[16:07] <DJones> Wireless thingy is great
[16:08] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: nah they don't seem to come with it with this Vaillant setup
[16:08] <daftykins> whether i can hack anything onto the control module, i don't know
[16:08] <daftykins> i did ask about home automation but in fairness i doubt i'd ever use it if i did have it
[16:12] <DJones> daftykins: One thing to make sure of with the remote is that you don't have anybody next door/close nearby with a similar remote using the same frequency, otherwise your boiler comes on when there's is set to come on as well. Our neighbours had a new boiler a few months after us & their engineer was too lazy to check for conflicts, ended up having to reset the frequency on ours
[16:12] <daftykins> hehehe
[16:12] <daftykins> indeed, thanks, i shall run that by him
[16:13] <daftykins> amusingly my parents have the same one. theirs has the wireless reset button and a label "do not press" beside it
[16:13] <daftykins> i wonder if that's just to stop customers from doing it when they don't know how
[16:14] <DJones> If its like ours, on its own it doesn't do anything, with ours you have to physically change dip switches on the receiver connected to the boiler, then on the remote, then press the reset button
[16:15] <daftykins> ah-har
[16:15] <daftykins> DIP switches remind me of the apricot computers we had... :D
[16:16] <DJones> Apricot 386's ?
[16:16] <DJones> Maybe 486
[16:16] <daftykins> hmm struggling to remember, one was floppy only the other had 10MB removable cartridges of storage
[16:17] <daftykins> played lemmings at least ;D
[16:17] <davmor2> DJones: Apricot was arm surely
[16:17] <daftykins> noooo
[16:17] <DJones> I'm thinking of something like http://classictech.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/scan0002.jpg
[16:17] <daftykins> yep
[16:17] <daftykins> that's the very monitor even :D
[16:18] <daftykins> my dad 'won' them from his work when they were sold off in a raffle
[16:18] <daftykins> they would blind-bid for office equipment that was being shifted
[16:18] <daftykins> his retirement plan is still to network them up again someday...
[16:19] <DJones> This is pretty much what we used http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=995
[16:19] <DJones> 386DX-25 :)
[16:19] <daftykins> did anyone read about the drama going on at Bletchley park? it sounds quite sad =/
[16:20] <davmor2> D'oh acorn no apricot fool  DJones 286 and 486
[16:20] <DJones> daftykins: Yeah, seems to be going on for a while
[16:21] <daftykins> heh we had acorns in my secondary school when i was there from '96 through to ~2001
[16:21] <daftykins> i was there longer but they finally got PCs around then i think
[16:22] <daftykins> the acorns were a bit of a laugh
[16:22] <shauno> we had bbc micros when I left in '98 :|
[16:23] <bigcalm> Is there a way to crawl a directory and list all files and sub-directories in one go?
[16:24] <DJones> Kids......When I left secondary school, it'd just gotten 2 ZX81's
[16:24] <shauno> tree?
[16:25] <bigcalm> shauno: that's wonderful, ta
[16:25] <bigcalm> Now, how about on a RedHat server that I can't install anything on? ;)
[16:26] <bigcalm> Oh, blow me
[16:26] <bigcalm> It's installed :)
[16:26] <shauno> \o/
[16:27] <shauno> you can kinda replace it with
[16:27] <shauno> ls -R | grep ":$" | sed -e 's/:$//' -e 's/[^-][^\/]*\//--/g' -e 's/^/   /' -e 's/-/|/'
[16:27] <shauno> but 'tree' is prettier.  with colours and stuff :)
[16:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: ls -R ?
[16:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: ls -R path/to/top/layer/
[16:32] <bigcalm> Ta, tree worked :)
[16:41] <mapps> hmm
[16:42] <mapps> anyone familiar with ajax? i wanted to open an external URL but by default can only open stuff on same server..
[16:44] <davmor2> mapps: by typing ajax open an external url I get this as the first hit http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4613310/how-to-call-external-url-in-jquery maybe it will help
[16:45] <mapps> looks liki read up on access controls..but dont think i can do anything..will check that url thanks
[16:45] <mapps> :)
[16:55] <mapps> still not sure
[16:55] <mapps> :D
[16:55] <mapps> wonder if proxypass cvould help
[16:57] <bigcalm> mapps: can you access the external URL from the web browser without issue?
[17:00] <mapps> yea
[17:00] <mapps> but its to do with the access controls with ajax
[17:00] <mapps> and having to be same domain requests normally
[17:00] <mapps> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/HTTP/Access_control_CORS
[17:05] <roht> adzi
[17:14] <directhex> ikonia, got it working :)
[17:23] <ali12341> lol
[17:23] <ali12341> this buggy php code... so many bugs
[17:24] <daftykins> the clue was in the name! :D
[18:04] <bigcalm> My desktop machine (13.10) booted with no clock in the notification area today. I wonder why
[18:04] <bigcalm> This sometimes happens on 14.04 as well
[18:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: it hates you
[18:08] <shauno> it couldn't figure out how to fit 'wednesday' so decided not to bother
[18:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: I wonder if you have a third party app/indicator that is conflicting with it in a race condition
[18:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: can't imagine that I would, but anything is possible
[18:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: personally I blame php that's bound to be at fault :P
[18:10] <bigcalm> Because PHP interacts with Unity...
[18:10] <bigcalm> You can mock me, but it has to make sense :P
[18:11] <bigcalm> Wish it were LUG night so I could prod you with my new laptop
[18:11] <ali12341> bug 1228360
[18:12] <bigcalm> Well I never :)
[18:13] <directhex> clock crashes often for me on 13.10
[18:16] <bigcalm> `killall killall unity-panel-service` brought it back
[18:16] <bigcalm> Oops
[18:16] <bigcalm> Just the one killall :)
[18:19] <ali12341> the buggy php code was caused because half the code defines week number as (days since new year)/7 and the other half defines it as date("W")
[18:21] <ali12341> it just so happens that the code was written in a year where these are equal
[18:21] <ali12341> however, judging from the rest of the code quality, i doubt that they would have spotted it regardless
[18:25] <Myrtti> didn't someone from here link me to a surplus store or a candy store or something that sold foodstuffs that were going almost out of date or something?
[18:26] <bigcalm> Myrtti: http://www.approvedfood.co.uk/ ?
[18:33] <JGJones> What a great idea.
[18:34] <ali12341> surf has a best before?
[18:44] <Myrtti> bigcalm: thankies
[18:44] <bigcalm> :)
[19:09]  * knightwise is looking for sonic screwdriver soundeffects for his wife phone
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: http://soundfxnow.com/sound-fx/doctor-who-sonic-screwdriver/ (2nd hit on google..)
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/index.shtml has a few
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: why not http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/exterminate.mp3 ? :)
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: or http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/child1.mp3
[19:28] <knightwise> haa :) but it has to be the RIGHT screwdriver for her :) the TENTH doctors screwdriver :)
[19:28] <knightwise> She is a tennant girl :)
[19:28] <knightwise> Found one on yourube meanwhile :)
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: just go for "Are you my mummy?" instead then
[19:28] <knightwise> This is good too : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfiP915CfiM#t=70 :) Star wars impressions
[19:28] <knightwise> haha :) are you my mummy wouldn't fly with @niejana
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: too scary?
[19:30] <knightwise> no :) she's not the mommy type :)
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: "Exterminate" then?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: "You will be DELETED"
[19:32] <knightwise> http://www.flickr.com/photos/knightwise/11888545116/in/photostream/  :)
[19:32] <knightwise> she loves the daleks though
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: if you want to sleep on the couch, go for "Moisturize me!"
[19:34] <knightwise> hahahaha :)
[19:34] <knightwise> she says you guys should tread carefully :p
[20:03] <Myrtti> talking of ApprovedFood, http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/29/prosecutors-drop-case-men-food-iceland-bins
[20:04] <daftykins> he looks like a fine chap
[20:04] <daftykins> let me dumpster-dive if he wants!
[20:04] <daftykins> me? him!
[22:09] <ikonia> directhex: bravo !