| callmeDarwin | What the irc client you all prefer? | 01:02 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | irssi + tmux | 01:02 |
| callmeDarwin | ok checking it out | 01:08 |
| cmaloney | I'm using weechat + tmux | 01:24 |
| jrwren | weechat, i hear good things. | 02:45 |
| callmeDarwin | using XChat now but looking around | 02:49 |
| callmeDarwin | I'll have to do some more research | 02:51 |
| cmaloney | morning | 12:14 |
| cmaloney | Oh, the Pebble Steel actually looks like it wasn't beat senseless by the ugly stick | 12:18 |
| cmaloney | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/01/the-pebble-steel-review-wearables-2-0-arrive/ | 12:19 |
| cmaloney | I <3 "The Bad": "Some developers still think we want to type on our watches" | 12:20 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I can't wait until mine ships | 12:30 |
| rick_h_ | sad I ordered on annoucement day back at CES and missed the first batch | 12:30 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: Wow, that's some demand. | 12:50 |
| cmaloney | also: http://www.reddit.com/r/csbooks/comments/1wfoid/hey_guys_im_looking_for_modern_programming/ | 12:50 |
| cmaloney | I'm an ass, but that's really a dumb question. | 12:50 |
| brousch | Totally voting you up | 12:51 |
| cmaloney | tx | 12:51 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: did you see what the subreddit description says? | 14:08 |
| brousch | Ah, they only want free versions of books | 14:10 |
| brousch | cmaloney: I'm totally voting you down | 14:10 |
| cmaloney | Bah | 14:48 |
| cmaloney | Well something tells me it's not released like that. | 14:50 |
| jrwren | add that do your comment and then the comment is good | 15:24 |
| cmaloney | Whatever. I think she's just looking for free books, as is evidenced by her reply. | 15:27 |
| jrwren | oh! a reply! | 15:28 |
| rick_h_ | woot! with the latest user import crossed 70k bookmarks https://bmark.us/dashboard | 16:56 |
| widox | yay | 16:56 |
| brousch | Will you send everyone a tshirt when you pass 100k? | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: hah, no. I've got stickers though. | 16:58 |
| widox | I think sending out a binder of everyones bookmarks when it reaches 100k is more appropriate :) | 17:05 |
| widox | to save on ink, it could be the readable version | 17:05 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: Awesome! | 17:36 |
| jrwren | i hate taking python scripts and turning them into proper packages | 17:39 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: always start with either cookiecutter or modern-package-template and never have the problem | 17:39 |
| cmaloney | http://www.metalinjection.net/tour-dates/motley-crue-announce-final-tour | 17:41 |
| cmaloney | brousch: It even starts in Grand Rapids | 17:42 |
| cmaloney | So no excuses | 17:42 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: yeah... easier said | 17:50 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, I know but have to push. I hate scripts that aren't packagable | 17:51 |
| jrwren | me too | 17:51 |
| jrwren | i'm making it happen here. its just work for what feels like little gain | 17:51 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's the kind of thing that once you start right you notice how nice life is | 17:51 |
| rick_h_ | especially if the script has deps/etc | 17:52 |
| rick_h_ | pita to have to go through a readme to use a script | 17:52 |
| jrwren | when imp.find_module doesn't work. *rage* | 18:01 |
| brousch | cmaloney: My excuse is that Motley Crue sucks | 18:12 |
| cmaloney | brousch: All I hear is just more reasons you should go | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: https://twitter.com/alex_gaynor/status/428592822912950272 ? | 18:21 |
| smoser | that will be us eventually. | 18:26 |
| smoser | and the answer will probably be 'no' | 18:26 |
| smoser | :) | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: cool, just ran into it and thought I'd mention | 18:27 |
| smoser | the other answer is "its in the cloud image". | 18:27 |
| smoser | currently docker maintains this tiny little ubuntu image. | 18:27 |
| smoser | we're working towards them to use 'ubuntu core' more directly | 18:28 |
| smoser | and posibly to also offer ubuntu cloud image | 18:28 |
| smoser | although you can easily just use the ubutnu cloud image in docker too | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | cool | 18:28 |
| jrwren | ca-certificates IS installed. | 18:29 |
| jrwren | at least on the cloud-image I'm running | 18:30 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: right, that's what smoser is saying. It's in the cloud image, while Alex doesn't have it in the ubuntu docker image | 18:32 |
| jrwren | ah. | 18:32 |
| mathomastech | Finally got my Raspberry Pi up and running, and externally accessible via SSH! Only took about 3 weeks :) | 18:38 |
| brousch | WTF | 18:41 |
| brousch | Should take 30 minutes at most! | 18:41 |
| jrwren | new python issue - i'm having problems with imp.find_module. one case it finds it, another case it doesn't. | 18:43 |
| mathomastech | brousch: First time installed and setting up arch, messing with port forwarding, setting up DNS records, learning ssh, scp, and screen. All in all a solid day's worth of research and learning. But I only did it may a half hour at a time. | 18:49 |
| mathomastech | If I had to do it again, I could probably get it done in an hour or under :) | 18:50 |
| brousch | Good learnin | 18:51 |
| jrwren | python kinda sucks. | 19:27 |
| jrwren | its hacks ontop of hacks in too many places | 19:27 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yep | 19:27 |
| jrwren | .NET was/is sooooooooo good in that regard. | 19:28 |
| rick_h_ | but let me show you ruby and its hacks :P | 19:28 |
| jrwren | oh ruby is worse for sure. | 19:28 |
| brousch | So go use Java! | 19:28 |
| jrwren | NEVAR! | 19:28 |
| rick_h_ | hah, speaking of hacks | 19:28 |
| jrwren | oracle is evil1! | 19:28 |
| jrwren | imp.find_module just does not ork. | 19:30 |
| jrwren | maybe a mac thing? | 19:31 |
| jrwren | 2.7.5 venv thing? | 19:31 |
| jrwren | this is driving me mad. can you tell? | 19:31 |
| jrwren | even more troubling thing is that it works on antoher system. | 19:31 |
| jrwren | someday, I'll master packages and modules | 19:32 |
| jrwren | waht is the different between a.b and a/b when loading a module? | 19:33 |
| brousch | This function does not handle hierarchical module names (names containing dots). In order to find P.M, that is, submodule M of package P, use find_module() and load_module() to find and load package P, and then use find_module()with the path argument set to P.__path__. When P itself has a dotted name, apply this recipe recursively. | 19:33 |
| jrwren | brousch: thanks! | 19:34 |
| jrwren | which explains why a/b/c works on one system, but it doesn't explain why a/b/c doesn't work on antoher system. | 19:35 |
| brousch | One system is superior | 19:35 |
| brousch | The other is crap | 19:35 |
| jrwren | agree, linux > osx | 19:36 |
| brousch | Sorry. I don't have any actual useful advice | 19:36 |
| jrwren | no, pointing that out was very helpful. I can attack the problem differently | 19:36 |
| brousch | The docs have some system-specific wording, but it is not helpful | 19:37 |
| jrwren | this is actually better. | 19:38 |
| jrwren | i can specify path instead of searching sys.path | 19:38 |
| jrwren | very helpful brousch | 19:38 |
| brousch | RTFM! | 19:38 |
| brousch | Now I feel better | 19:38 |
| jrwren | now I get an import error runnign find_module | 19:42 |
| jrwren | No frozen submodule named a/b.z | 19:42 |
| jrwren | where I have find_module('z','a/b') | 19:42 |
| jrwren | so weird!!! | 19:42 |
| brousch | What is the /? | 19:43 |
| brousch | OH, that's the path? | 19:44 |
| jrwren | right | 19:44 |
| greg-g | jcastro: hey! I'm in the same hotel for a product owner training thingy that the '08 Google UDS was! | 19:47 |
| jrwren | 6 yrs seems like yestreday | 19:47 |
| jcastro | greg-g, ! | 19:48 |
| jcastro | was that the one with the pool in the lobby? | 19:48 |
| jcastro | like one of those long pools with rocks in it? | 19:48 |
| greg-g | yeah | 19:48 |
| greg-g | in crazy sprawl land of south bay | 19:49 |
| greg-g | we had to walk like a mile to the nearest bar | 19:49 |
| jcastro | yep | 19:49 |
| greg-g | where you and I roomed :) | 19:49 |
| cmaloney | my one regret is I never went to a physical UDS | 19:56 |
| cmaloney | well, I have many regrets, but that's the most pertinent one at the moment. | 19:56 |
| rick_h_ | lmorchard: widox waf trevlar cmaloney reminder it's early CHC tonight 7pm | 20:09 |
| trevlar | rick_h_: cool | 20:09 |
| trevlar | hey could I borrow that cabinet making book from you? | 20:10 |
| rick_h_ | trevlar: sure, I'll bring a few books down if you'll be there and you can pick over them | 20:10 |
| widox | rick_h_: blag, no CHC for me -- wife has the car in GR :( | 20:11 |
| rick_h_ | widox: booo | 20:11 |
| rick_h_ | widox: not up for a nice brisk walk? :P | 20:11 |
| widox | hah! | 20:11 |
| jrwren | brousch: load_module directly instead of using find_module FTW!!! | 20:22 |
| jrwren | maybe python doesn't suck as bad I sometimes think <3 | 20:22 |
| brousch | It is the greatest programming language and ecosystem ever created | 20:23 |
| jrwren | next to C# and .NET | 20:25 |
| jrwren | or wait... ecosystem. | 20:26 |
| jrwren | I take it back. | 20:26 |
| jrwren | You are correct. | 20:26 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: http://r.bmark.us/u/af045a9add9327 heads up | 21:07 |
| rick_h_ | wtf? http://r.bmark.us/u/eb106a51277521 | 21:15 |
| brousch | hm | 21:16 |
| rick_h_ | my phone is now a lenovo phone?! | 21:16 |
| brousch | If it's a Motorola | 21:16 |
| rick_h_ | yep | 21:16 |
| rick_h_ | motox | 21:16 |
| brousch | Well, it could be worse | 21:17 |
| brousch | Some of the new Lenovo tablets are interesting | 21:17 |
| jrwren | anyone have tips for multiple pakcage_dir ? | 21:22 |
| brousch | For whowha? | 21:22 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: modern-package-template | 21:25 |
| rick_h_ | it's got the setup for that ootb | 21:25 |
| rick_h_ | which is one annoying thing because it's another dir level in the package and I've not needed it | 21:25 |
| jrwren | i can't. | 21:27 |
| jrwren | i'm WAY more complex than that. | 21:28 |
| jrwren | i guess if setuptools can't do what i want, that is an option :) | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | setuptools does it | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | I just mean that it's 'template' is setup for it | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | run it in an empty dir and look | 21:28 |
| jrwren | too sipmle. | 21:28 |
| jrwren | give me something moar complex than that. | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | virtualenv ~/tmp/test-package && cd ~/tmp/test-package && bin/pip install modern-package-template && bin/paster create -t modern-package testthingy | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | or something like that | 21:29 |
| jrwren | yay, modern package template links to docs that don't exist anymore. | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | they're right there? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/modern-package-template | 21:30 |
| jrwren | links to docs. | 21:30 |
| brousch | MPT does not have Python3 port, so it is deprecated | 21:31 |
| jrwren | it links to http://packages.python.org/distribute/setuptools.html#namespace-packages | 21:31 |
| jrwren | which is 404 | 21:31 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: oic | 21:31 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: right, cookiecutter is the new hotness | 21:32 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: but I've not used it | 21:32 |
| brousch | I'll have to look at it. MPT was nice | 21:32 |
| brousch | Next GRPUG meeting is packaging and distribution | 21:33 |
| rick_h_ | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/cookiecutter/0.7.0 | 21:34 |
| rick_h_ | Works with Python 2.6, 2.7, 3.3, and PyPy. | 21:34 |
| jrwren | i learned this today: http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PythonEggs#accessing-package-resources | 21:35 |
| jrwren | which is pretty cool | 21:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, in theory you can package up a pyramid/etc app and if you access resources like that you just pip install package and can run it | 21:36 |
| rick_h_ | I use from pkg_resources to get the version number within the package now as well which is handy | 21:36 |
| rick_h_ | fewer places to update to get script --version to work | 21:37 |
| rick_h_ | https://github.com/juju/jenkins-github-lander/blob/develop/src/jenkinsgithublander/__init__.py | 21:37 |
| brousch | Come talk about it next month. I'll buy you a beer at the 3rd best beer bar in the world in Beer City USA (2 years running) | 21:39 |
| jrwren | haha, my use of open() and then load-module made it not zipsafe. hahah | 21:39 |
| jrwren | i'm veyr close here. | 21:39 |
| jrwren | 2 packages was the key | 21:39 |
| jrwren | someday I'll get good at this :) | 21:40 |
| jcastro | wait | 22:32 |
| jcastro | WHAT | 22:32 |
| jcastro | http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/29/5358620/lenovo-reportedly-buying-motorola-mobility-from-google | 22:32 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: yea, wtf | 22:35 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: /me is nervous with my motox now | 22:35 |
| jcastro | wasn't there an article on them cancelling nexus? | 22:36 |
| jcastro | I was like "oh that makes sense, they have Moto now." | 22:36 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I saw something about that as they've not updated the N10 in a while | 22:38 |
| jcastro | The Moto G in particular is a game changer | 22:38 |
| rick_h_ | but that article was pointing at those devices in the store that are Play Edition | 22:39 |
| jcastro | I would think they didn't update the 10 because a) 7 is where it's at | 22:39 |
| rick_h_ | so they're getting out of the devices and encouraging them to put out a Play Edition to be auto updated/etc | 22:39 |
| * rick_h_ <3 my N10 | 22:39 | |
| jcastro | and b) The 10 was always performant, unlike the old 7, that _had_ to be updated | 22:39 |
| rick_h_ | much nicer for things | 22:39 |
| rick_h_ | yea, true. I don't feel like it's 'old' yet | 22:39 |
| rick_h_ | they did a good job putting good orig hardware in it | 22:39 |
| jcastro | so let's see | 22:40 |
| jcastro | Android's turned into a near monopoly | 22:40 |
| jcastro | HTC is basically doomed | 22:40 |
| jcastro | Moto will take _another 2 years_ to figure out whatever they're doing | 22:40 |
| rick_h_ | yea, :/ | 22:40 |
| rick_h_ | samsung is owning stuff | 22:40 |
| jcastro | Yeah, and LG is a small player | 22:40 |
| rick_h_ | yea, true | 22:41 |
| rick_h_ | Google initially bought Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion back in 2012 | 22:41 |
| rick_h_ | :/ is that a 9B write off then? | 22:41 |
| jcastro | yeah but they sold off cable box division for like 2B | 22:41 |
| rick_h_ | poor motorola, they were a game changer | 22:41 |
| jcastro | and moto had like 3B onhand cash | 22:41 |
| rick_h_ | and sad to see them go down like that | 22:41 |
| jcastro | but still, the leftover cash ... all for patents | 22:42 |
| jcastro | stupid | 22:42 |
| rick_h_ | yea? I guess. Still crazy to see "bought 12B" and sold for 3, even 8B | 22:42 |
| jcastro | imagine if that money would have been spent on R&D instead of patent potfolios | 22:42 |
| rick_h_ | yea, the new phones are nice | 22:42 |
| rick_h_ | they were just starting to get out and running and then sell it | 22:43 |
| jcastro | I don't have high hopes | 22:43 |
| jcastro | especially after the new X1 Carbon | 22:43 |
| rick_h_ | yea, me either | 22:43 |
| jcastro | DEATH SPIRAL | 22:43 |
| rick_h_ | that was a blow | 22:43 |
| rick_h_ | though I have to say I keep looking at that yoga2 | 22:44 |
| jcastro | Though what do I know ... maybe a $179 phone is why they kept losing money, heh | 22:44 |
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