| pvl1 | so what is it that drives us to use linux | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| pvl1 | well ubuntu rather | 00:19 |
| GuruPilgrim | pvl1: do you mean in general? from another OS? | 01:19 |
| pvl1 | GuruPilgrim: yeah, i mean thats our only other option, other than not using computers | 01:19 |
| GuruPilgrim | for me, it's doing things. getting things done. | 01:21 |
| pvl1 | but wht makes it anymore productive than other os's | 01:22 |
| GuruPilgrim | when i want to make something, design something, share something, i go to my big, open, Ubuntu studio. | 01:22 |
| GuruPilgrim | it's quicker, i don't have to worry about bluescreens, viruses, malware, popups... | 01:22 |
| GuruPilgrim | i can just go do things without waiting for the computer. | 01:23 |
| GuruPilgrim | i can leave it on for months at a time if need be without having to reboot. | 01:23 |
| GuruPilgrim | if the gui breaks, it's not the end of the world. i can jump into a virtual terminal and still do things. | 01:23 |
| GuruPilgrim | there's less maintenance. | 01:24 |
| GuruPilgrim | applications are easier to find. | 01:24 |
| GuruPilgrim | i mean, i could go on. lol. I support Windows 7 full time, so coming home to a bunch of Linux systems is very refreshing. | 01:25 |
| pvl1 | i feel like explaining this to a person that hasnt used linux/ubuntu is damn near impossible | 01:26 |
| pvl1 | i know of so many people who would be best of just using linux | 01:27 |
| GuruPilgrim | hmm. | 01:27 |
| GuruPilgrim | indeed. | 01:27 |
| pvl1 | but theres such a learning curve, and people dont like change | 01:27 |
| GuruPilgrim | learning curve? | 01:27 |
| GuruPilgrim | oh. the "but it's not Windows" learning curve.... | 01:27 |
| pvl1 | but the fact remains: no bluescreen of death (which imho only gamers encounter), no viruses(which everyone just says "oh i have symantic.norton, avg, spybot, and more BS running"), etc | 01:28 |
| pvl1 | but then when you say hey, theres a solution... its always oh but its not windows | 01:28 |
| pvl1 | there should be a system of *steps* to move from windows to ubuntu | 01:29 |
| GuruPilgrim | (bluescreens happen a lot actually... not just to gamers.) | 01:30 |
| pvl1 | those that just use intel graphics (which is probably most) | 01:30 |
| GuruPilgrim | so, here's the problem. people think that Linux isn't an operating system. they think it's some foreign geeky thing that they'll never understand | 01:30 |
| GuruPilgrim | i mean, you can tell them, it's just like Windows, but they'll still feel like it's a world away | 01:31 |
| GuruPilgrim | so, | 01:31 |
| GuruPilgrim | step one, a person has to come to a point where they're ready to approach a computer. | 01:31 |
| GuruPilgrim | sounds stupid simple, i know... but think about it. | 01:31 |
| GuruPilgrim | if they let go of all their pre-conceptions, and approach a computer with a desire to do things, they will likely choose Linux on their own. | 01:32 |
| GuruPilgrim | so how do you change their mind? | 01:33 |
| GuruPilgrim | unfortunately, too often, you won't | 01:33 |
| GuruPilgrim | maybe there is more we can do. | 01:34 |
| GuruPilgrim | i mean, i'm trying to do more by being evangelistic about it, holding events that focus on new users etc. but that only goes so far. | 01:35 |
| GuruPilgrim | just maybe, what we need is a single technical field to dominate. | 01:41 |
| GuruPilgrim | Mac has designers. what if Ubuntu could really become the premier in a particular field? | 01:42 |
| pvl1 | well, tbh while i absolutly hate unity, i think thats gonna be a potential winner there | 02:01 |
| pvl1 | because the whole thing is that PC's are changing. were moving more into a touch focused world | 02:02 |
| pvl1 | tablets, smart phones etc | 02:02 |
| pvl1 | so an intuitive interface is key. and unity is pretty. its eyecandy that really does work | 02:02 |
| rmg51 | Morning | 10:14 |
| teddy-dbear | Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else | 13:18 |
| lazyPower | morning teddy | 13:24 |
| teddy-dbear | o/ | 13:40 |
| InHisName | Morning | 13:50 |
| InHisName1 | Uggghhh, ubuntu asked to restart. Upon selecting normal ubuntu in grub, it power cycles and reboots. What's going on ??? | 14:20 |
| JonathanD | InHisName1: sounds broken. | 14:21 |
| InHisName1 | Yes and you have a fix for me also ? | 14:21 |
| JonathanD | I don't. | 14:21 |
| JonathanD | I'd try booting single user and see if you can get anywhere. | 14:21 |
| InHisName1 | It's been booting fine until this last update. | 14:21 |
| InHisName1 | how to boot single user, its been a long time since i did that | 14:22 |
| InHisName1 | Is it somewhere under 'ubuntu options' in grub ? | 14:23 |
| JonathanD | select ubuntu in grub, hit e, add "single" end of the line that includes "ro quiet" or such | 14:25 |
| jedijf | easier might be booting previous kernel ;) | 14:26 |
| JonathanD | oh, maybe :p | 14:27 |
| InHisName1 | Tried x-35 and x-34 kernels both reg and recovery. All power off. I'll try the edit to single, now. | 14:29 |
| InHisName1 | I had a phone plugged in to copy some pictures, unplugging it from USB did no change for subsequent reboot tries. | 14:31 |
| InHisName1 | Nope. powers off with 'single' added after quiet | 14:33 |
| jedijf | beeps? | 14:38 |
| jedijf | start to pull ram - one stick at a time and try last known working kernel | 14:38 |
| InHisName1 | No beeps, does get to grub, select anything, 4 seconds later power is off. Current kernel ends with -35, prev ends with -34. Both behave same way since last update from ubuntu. | 14:43 |
| InHisName1 | I can run memtest before grub and see if it likes my memory.... | 14:43 |
| InHisName1 | wife wants me to shovel a neighbors drive, bbl8tr | 14:44 |
| InHisName | I've booted, but didn't do a thing. Not sure why it would not boot, or why it just did now. | 14:48 |
| InHisName | I switched my KVM box back to main pc and power started back up so I tried to boot and it worked. | 14:49 |
| InHisName | Normally I've pressed the switch on pwrsupply to off then back to on and restarted computer. | 14:49 |
| InHisName | off to shovel for now | 14:49 |
| JonathanD | I'm realizing my ubuntu is a little broken too | 15:06 |
| JonathanD | less than before | 15:08 |
| JonathanD | but broken. | 15:08 |
| MutantTurkey | my debian is now broken on my x220 | 15:54 |
| MutantTurkey | wifi is super unreliable | 15:54 |
| MutantTurkey | i try wicd and network manager and both are not functional | 15:54 |
| MutantTurkey | sigh | 15:54 |
| pvl1 | I debootstrapped the standard install, got i3, wicd | 16:27 |
| pvl1 | boots so fast | 16:27 |
| MutantTurkey | hey | 16:41 |
| MutantTurkey | so | 16:41 |
| MutantTurkey | what's debootstrapped? | 16:41 |
| MutantTurkey | is loveee i3 | 16:41 |
| MutantTurkey | so if you guys were developing a site for a band, what backend would you use. Wordpress/Drupal or something so they can edit it? | 16:42 |
| InHisName | edlin ? | 16:47 |
| JonathanD | MutantTurkey: probably wordpress unless it's an application site. | 17:12 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah i think wordpress is what i'll use | 17:12 |
| JonathanD | keeping drupal updated is a more technical thing. | 17:12 |
| JonathanD | I wouldn't hand that over. | 17:12 |
| MutantTurkey | and upgrading is almost impossible to cleanly ude | 17:14 |
| lazyPower | MutantTurkey, I've had good success with LocomotiveCMS | 17:21 |
| lazyPower | but its a fairly new contender in the CMS scene | 17:21 |
| KyleYankan | i just use rherpad. | 17:22 |
| KyleYankan | etherpad* | 17:22 |
| KyleYankan | best CMS system around. ask JonathanD | 17:22 |
| JonathanD | oh, right. | 17:23 |
| JonathanD | MutantTurkey: use etherpad-cms | 17:23 |
| JonathanD | KyleYankan: I added templating to that. | 17:23 |
| JonathanD | headers and footers and such | 17:23 |
| KyleYankan | nice work | 17:24 |
| JonathanD | also a way to do markdown | 17:24 |
| JonathanD | instead of html | 17:24 |
| waltman | I'm all about markdown these days. | 18:09 |
| JonathanD | By the way, we facebook-announced fosscon 2014 today. | 18:09 |
| waltman | woot | 18:09 |
| JonathanD | and the doctor has not liked it yet. | 18:09 |
| JonathanD | I'm very sad. | 18:09 |
| JonathanD | Also I did a fresh install of ubuntu today and it's super snappy now. | 18:10 |
| waltman | There. | 18:11 |
| JonathanD | waltman: thanks :P | 18:11 |
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| InHisName | so quiet this afteronefifteen | 20:41 |
| MutantTurkey | septa question - can i get a transfer on the subway for a bus? | 21:31 |
| waltman | MutantTurkey: yes | 22:02 |
| MutantTurkey | cool | 22:02 |
| MutantTurkey | forgot my tokens of course | 22:03 |
| pvl1 | bus tokens? | 22:03 |
| waltman | I grew up in NE Philly. Coming home from the city I'd take the MFL->Rt. 66. You'd get the transfer on the bus going into the city, and the el going back home. | 22:04 |
| waltman | As long as you're in the city, buses, subways, trolleys and els are all the same wrt transfers. | 22:05 |
| waltman | The only exception being the places in center city where they have free transfers. | 22:06 |
| MutantTurkey | just hit the subway attendent? | 22:06 |
| waltman | If you give the attendent a token + money for the transfer, they'll give you the transfer. | 22:06 |
| MutantTurkey | when you go on? | 22:06 |
| waltman | granted it's been a long time since I've needed a transfer, but I don't think they've changed the system. | 22:07 |
| waltman | yes | 22:07 |
| MutantTurkey | thanks! | 22:07 |
| waltman | Now if you're going out into the burbs on something like the norristown high speed line, things get crazy. | 22:08 |
| MutantTurkey | because? | 22:09 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah i'd be going up to WG | 22:09 |
| waltman | there are zones and suchlike | 22:09 |
| waltman | You're taking a bus to Willow Grove? | 22:09 |
| waltman | doesn't the train go out there? | 22:10 |
| MutantTurkey | yeah | 22:11 |
| MutantTurkey | it's 5.75 one way i think | 22:11 |
| MutantTurkey | bus is 2.80 | 22:11 |
| MutantTurkey | so | 22:11 |
| waltman | train is faster and more comfortable | 22:12 |
| waltman | So you'd be taking the BSL to Fern Rock and then a bus? | 22:12 |
| MutantTurkey | faster by 10 minutes | 22:12 |
| MutantTurkey | to olney | 22:12 |
| MutantTurkey | and, i have to walk home from the train | 22:12 |
| MutantTurkey | bus is right next to my parents (50 feet) | 22:13 |
| waltman | ah. how far is the train station? | 22:13 |
| MutantTurkey | 1hour 2 minutes by train, 1 hour 12 minutes by bus/sub | 22:13 |
| MutantTurkey | .5 miles | 22:13 |
| waltman | It takes an hour to get from 30th st to willow grove?! | 22:13 |
| MutantTurkey | yup | 22:14 |
| MutantTurkey | it's like 25 minutes to temple | 22:14 |
| MutantTurkey | that's the issue | 22:14 |
| waltman | wow | 22:15 |
| MutantTurkey | it's more like 45 + walking | 22:15 |
| MutantTurkey | speakin of gotta catch the train | 22:15 |
| waltman | ok, that I can see | 22:15 |
| MutantTurkey | cya and thanks! | 22:15 |
| waltman | good luck | 22:15 |
| waltman | wait, what I said only applies inside the city! | 22:15 |
| waltman | I don't know from suburban buses! | 22:15 |
| waltman | Godspeed! | 22:15 |
| waltman | Wait, can't you just fly there? | 22:16 |
| pvl1 | token + dollar = ride+ transferpass | 22:16 |
| pvl1 | same thing in suburbia septa | 22:16 |
| pvl1 | g2g later | 22:16 |
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