| zequence | cub could be different reasons | 08:24 |
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| cub | nah I was mistaken. I thought it had been failing for several days in a row, which it didn't. Built last night again it seems. | 08:26 |
| cub | Is Parole shipped as default video player for Ubuntu Studio as Xubuntu? | 08:28 |
| cub | I can't remember if I installed it myself on my Trusty or if it was already there | 08:30 |
| zequence | Check the seeds | 08:33 |
| zequence | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.trusty | 08:34 |
| cub | right | 08:34 |
| cub | If it's a "recommend", then it's not installed by default? I never got that when adding gnome-orca | 08:38 |
| cub | Parole is listed as "* (parole)" which according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds means it's a "recommend". However both gnome-orca and brltty is added the same way and they are installed by default | 08:41 |
| zequence | It's a bit messy in our seeds, I think | 09:02 |
| zequence | Lots' of recommends instead of depends | 09:02 |
| zequence | Not sure what the logic is now, have forgotten. | 09:03 |
| cub | I thought so when I started out for the 13.10 release | 09:03 |
| cub | but was told by smrtboy it should be like * (brltty), I don't know why but I think he would know. | 09:03 |
| zequence | Check out seeds for other flavors, to see how they do it | 09:04 |
| cub | yeah | 09:04 |
| cub | our default video player is Totem though | 09:06 |
| cub | I confirmed the Bug 1272994 that skellat mailed to the xubuntu devel list | 09:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1272994 in parole (Ubuntu) "Parole does not play mp4 video with h264 codec" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1272994 | 09:23 |
| astraljava | zequence: Most of the packages in seeds were changed to recommends around the time when apt-get started installing recommends by default. | 09:58 |
| zequence | astraljava: I wouldn't say most, and also, there's no consistency | 10:01 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: I see that you have added some stuff to seeds, but as recommends. Any particular reason to do so? | 10:01 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: also, no need to add comments to the actual seeds, unless there's something really specific about a package - the bzr comment is there for that reason | 10:02 |
| cub | astraljava, interesting. A bit weird though that it automatically installs recommendations? | 10:09 |
| zequence | One can install with a no recommends option | 10:11 |
| astraljava | cub: It was changed several years ago, IIRC. zequence: What I mean with most is that most of what were depends at that time were changed to recommends. But of course that's a long time ago, my recollection might be faulty by now. | 10:41 |
| holstein | cub: you are asking about ubuntustudio on portables? | 19:54 |
| holstein | cub: i think that would be up to ARM support.. or projects wanting to get in the iStore or whatever | 19:55 |
| holstein | cub: i use similar tools on netbooks, though, i bring projects to the bigger machine when i edit | 19:55 |
| cub | No I was more thinking of something similar application wise that I could run on my eee pc instead of using Garageband on my iPhone | 20:04 |
| cub | what tools do you use holstein ? | 20:04 |
| cub | I | 20:04 |
| cub | 'm looking into if lmms would work for me | 20:05 |
| cub | I'd like to be able to create and toy with ideas while I'm commuting and then bring it over to my main laptop at home to work with later on | 20:06 |
| holstein | lmms seems kind of like a toy to me.. but, then again, so does garage band | 20:07 |
| holstein | i just use jack and ardour | 20:07 |
| cub | but in ardour, can you create music without recording something live? | 20:07 |
| holstein | lmms seemed interesting, but, back when i was checking it out, it was crashy with jack.. i got it up and tested it enough to find that it wasnt for me | 20:07 |
| holstein | cub: ardour3 has midi support, but, if i were interested in midi like that, i would do qtractor or rosegarden | 20:08 |
| cub | GB is sweet in such way that the auto-isntruments there sound alright and it's wuite easy to build a background and add a melody to it | 20:08 |
| holstein | if you want to work with samples like that, like frooty loops style, i think lmms is the tool | 20:08 |
| cub | yeah qtractor sprung to mind. I'm not sure how midi works without a midi instrument or proper soundcard | 20:08 |
| holstein | there are many soft synths in the repo | 20:09 |
| holstein | and lots of linux instrument plugins | 20:09 |
| cub | but the midi tools I have olooked at was sounding way too bad | 20:09 |
| holstein | [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians is my go-to guy for this stuff | 20:09 |
| holstein | i mostly just do analog stuff | 20:09 |
| holstein | cub: "bad" sounds is a matter of opinion | 20:09 |
| holstein | cub: and, im sure i can open GB and make something that sounds bad, or find sounds that i dont like | 20:10 |
| holstein | cub: as a matter of fact, if never heard one i thought was acceptable | 20:10 |
| holstein | but, im sure it all depends on one's needs | 20:10 |
| cub | yes but in mma for instance everything sounded like my atari in the 80s | 20:10 |
| cub | I need something better than that to be creative. :P | 20:11 |
| holstein | "better" is again a matter of opinion | 20:11 |
| cub | yeah | 20:11 |
| holstein | there are many instruments in the repos and available for download/purchase | 20:11 |
| holstein | as you konw, there is no "linux" making sure all professional musicians purchase the products availalbe for it | 20:11 |
| cub | as plugins for qtractor and such? | 20:11 |
| holstein | i mean, apple is always welcome to create and release GB for linux with jack support | 20:12 |
| cub | that would be nice but I would prefer a FOSS alternative | 20:12 |
| holstein | but, since thats not likely going to happen, you should try and find folks (like [lsd]) who are using ubuntu to do exactly what you are taking about | 20:12 |
| cub | cool | 20:12 |
| holstein | cub: thats asking a lot though | 20:12 |
| holstein | its like, i want something *perfect* for my workflow, thats just like what big corporate folks put out with giant budgets.. but, it must be free and underground | 20:13 |
| cub | you never know, somewhere there might be a developer wanting the same thing as me you know how to write the application | 20:13 |
| holstein | and, personally, i find lots of those projects to be very much on par with commercial ones, but one must go and find them | 20:13 |
| holstein | there is not commercial entity pushing them | 20:13 |
| cub | exactly, they might be out there but just hard to find | 20:14 |
| holstein | its not even "hard".. its just, not being marketed in any way | 20:14 |
| holstein | why do i know about garage band? ive never ever owned it.. and ive only ran it on a few friends machines to help them set it up | 20:14 |
| cub | for many of my friends, going online to irc to chat with people is "hard" | 20:15 |
| holstein | i see commercials for it, and apple pushes it | 20:15 |
| holstein | anyone is welcome and encouraged to push and commercialize any of the foss tools, but since there is no $$ coming in for it, it likely wont happen | 20:15 |
| cub | my friends use it on their macs and ipads, so I tried it out on the company iphone. Quite handy to document ideas quickly | 20:15 |
| holstein | sure.. but, i can do the same in FOSS, and with jack support | 20:16 |
| cub | that's what I'm hoping for | 20:17 |
| holstein | but, these foss tools are open, and can be looked at to be ported to whatever.. like the iOS | 20:17 |
| holstein | and, the commercial tools are welcome to be written for linux | 20:17 |
| holstein | so, really, either way is possible.. just not financially probable right now | 20:17 |
| cub | I need to read up on lmms and qtractor and have time to mess around. | 20:22 |
| cub | among all the other things I want/need to accomplish. :P | 20:22 |
| holstein | or, just ask [lsd] | 20:23 |
| cub | will do | 20:24 |
| holstein | http://wootangent.net/2010/10/linux-music-tutorial-seq24-part-1/ for example | 20:24 |
| holstein | thats his site.. | 20:24 |
| cub | nice | 20:26 |
| cub | I'll watch his tutorial first before asking stupid questions that might be answered in there. | 20:27 |
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