[08:24] <zequence> cub could be different reasons
[08:26] <cub> nah I was mistaken. I thought it had been failing for several days in a row, which it didn't. Built last night again it seems.
[08:28] <cub> Is Parole shipped as default video player for Ubuntu Studio as Xubuntu?
[08:30] <cub> I can't remember if I installed it myself on my Trusty or if it was already there
[08:33] <zequence> Check the seeds
[08:34] <zequence> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.trusty
[08:34] <cub> right
[08:38] <cub> If it's a "recommend", then it's not installed by default? I never got that when adding gnome-orca
[08:41] <cub> Parole is listed as "* (parole)" which according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds means it's a "recommend". However both gnome-orca and brltty is added the same way and they are installed by default
[09:02] <zequence> It's a bit messy in our seeds, I think
[09:02] <zequence> Lots' of recommends instead of depends
[09:03] <zequence> Not sure what the logic is now, have forgotten.
[09:03] <cub> I thought so when I started out for the 13.10 release
[09:03] <cub> but was told by smrtboy it should be like * (brltty), I don't know why but I think he would know.
[09:04] <zequence> Check out seeds for other flavors, to see how they do it
[09:04] <cub> yeah
[09:06] <cub> our default video player is Totem though
[09:23] <cub> I confirmed the Bug 1272994 that skellat mailed to the xubuntu devel list
[09:58] <astraljava> zequence: Most of the packages in seeds were changed to recommends around the time when apt-get started installing recommends by default.
[10:01] <zequence> astraljava: I wouldn't say most, and also, there's no consistency
[10:01] <zequence> OvenWerks: I see that you have added some stuff to seeds, but as recommends. Any particular reason to do so?
[10:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: also, no need to add comments to the actual seeds, unless there's something really specific about a package - the bzr comment is there for that reason
[10:09] <cub> astraljava, interesting. A bit weird though that it automatically installs recommendations?
[10:11] <zequence> One can install with a no recommends option
[10:41] <astraljava> cub: It was changed several years ago, IIRC. zequence: What I mean with most is that most of what were depends at that time were changed to recommends. But of course that's a long time ago, my recollection might be faulty by now.
[19:54] <holstein> cub: you are asking about ubuntustudio on portables?
[19:55] <holstein> cub: i think that would be up to ARM support.. or projects wanting to get in the iStore or whatever
[19:55] <holstein> cub: i use similar tools on netbooks, though, i bring projects to the bigger machine when i edit
[20:04] <cub> No I was more thinking of something similar application wise that I could run on my eee pc instead of using Garageband on my iPhone
[20:04] <cub> what tools do you use holstein ?
[20:04] <cub> I
[20:05] <cub> 'm looking into if lmms would work for me
[20:06] <cub> I'd like to be able to create and toy with ideas while I'm commuting and then bring it over to my main laptop at home to work with later on
[20:07] <holstein> lmms seems kind of like a toy to me.. but, then again, so does garage band
[20:07] <holstein> i just use jack and ardour
[20:07] <cub> but in ardour, can you create music without recording something live?
[20:07] <holstein> lmms seemed interesting, but, back when i was checking it out, it was crashy with jack.. i got it up and tested it enough to find that it wasnt for me
[20:08] <holstein> cub: ardour3 has midi support, but, if i were interested in midi like that, i would do qtractor or rosegarden
[20:08] <cub> GB is sweet in such way that the auto-isntruments there sound alright and it's wuite easy to build a background and add a melody to it
[20:08] <holstein> if you want to work with samples like that, like frooty loops style, i think lmms is the tool
[20:08] <cub> yeah qtractor sprung to mind. I'm not sure how midi works without a midi instrument or proper soundcard
[20:09] <holstein> there are many soft synths in the repo
[20:09] <holstein> and lots of linux instrument plugins
[20:09] <cub> but the midi tools I have olooked at was sounding way too bad
[20:09] <holstein> [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians is my go-to guy for this stuff
[20:09] <holstein> i mostly just do analog stuff
[20:09] <holstein> cub: "bad" sounds is a matter of opinion
[20:10] <holstein> cub: and, im sure i can open GB and make something that sounds bad, or find sounds that i dont like
[20:10] <holstein> cub: as a matter of fact, if never heard one i thought was acceptable
[20:10] <holstein> but, im sure it all depends on one's needs
[20:10] <cub> yes but in mma for instance everything sounded like my atari in the 80s
[20:11] <cub> I need something better than that to be creative. :P
[20:11] <holstein> "better" is again a matter of opinion
[20:11] <cub> yeah
[20:11] <holstein> there are many instruments in the repos and available for download/purchase
[20:11] <holstein> as you konw, there is no "linux" making sure all professional musicians purchase the products availalbe for it
[20:11] <cub> as plugins for qtractor and such?
[20:12] <holstein> i mean, apple is always welcome to create and release GB for linux with jack support
[20:12] <cub> that would be nice but I would prefer a FOSS alternative
[20:12] <holstein> but, since thats not likely going to happen, you should try and find folks (like [lsd]) who are using ubuntu to do exactly what you are taking about
[20:12] <cub> cool
[20:12] <holstein> cub: thats asking a lot though
[20:13] <holstein> its like, i want something *perfect* for my workflow, thats just like what big corporate folks put out with giant budgets.. but, it must be free and underground
[20:13] <cub> you never know, somewhere there might be a developer wanting the same thing as me you know how to write the application
[20:13] <holstein> and, personally, i find lots of those projects to be very much on par with commercial ones, but one must go and find them
[20:13] <holstein> there is not commercial entity pushing them
[20:14] <cub> exactly, they might be out there but just hard to find
[20:14] <holstein> its not even "hard".. its just, not being marketed in any way
[20:14] <holstein> why do i know about garage band? ive never ever owned it.. and ive only ran it on a few friends machines to help them set it up
[20:15] <cub> for many of my friends, going online to irc to chat with people is "hard"
[20:15] <holstein> i see commercials for it, and apple pushes it
[20:15] <holstein> anyone is welcome and encouraged to push and commercialize any of the foss tools, but since there is no $$ coming in for it, it likely wont happen
[20:15] <cub> my friends use it on their macs and ipads, so I tried it out on the company iphone. Quite handy to document ideas quickly
[20:16] <holstein> sure.. but, i can do the same in FOSS, and with jack support
[20:17] <cub> that's what I'm hoping for
[20:17] <holstein> but, these foss tools are open, and can be looked at to be ported to whatever.. like the iOS
[20:17] <holstein> and, the commercial tools are welcome to be written for linux
[20:17] <holstein> so, really, either way is possible.. just not financially probable right now
[20:22] <cub> I need to read up on lmms and qtractor and have time to mess around.
[20:22] <cub> among all the other things I want/need to accomplish. :P
[20:23] <holstein> or, just ask [lsd]
[20:24] <cub> will do
[20:24] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/2010/10/linux-music-tutorial-seq24-part-1/ for example
[20:24] <holstein> thats his site.. 
[20:26] <cub> nice
[20:27] <cub> I'll watch his tutorial first before asking stupid questions that might be answered in there.