[08:24] cub could be different reasons [08:26] nah I was mistaken. I thought it had been failing for several days in a row, which it didn't. Built last night again it seems. [08:28] Is Parole shipped as default video player for Ubuntu Studio as Xubuntu? [08:30] I can't remember if I installed it myself on my Trusty or if it was already there [08:33] Check the seeds [08:34] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.trusty [08:34] right [08:38] If it's a "recommend", then it's not installed by default? I never got that when adding gnome-orca [08:41] Parole is listed as "* (parole)" which according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Seeds means it's a "recommend". However both gnome-orca and brltty is added the same way and they are installed by default [09:02] It's a bit messy in our seeds, I think [09:02] Lots' of recommends instead of depends [09:03] Not sure what the logic is now, have forgotten. [09:03] I thought so when I started out for the 13.10 release [09:03] but was told by smrtboy it should be like * (brltty), I don't know why but I think he would know. [09:04] Check out seeds for other flavors, to see how they do it [09:04] yeah [09:06] our default video player is Totem though [09:23] I confirmed the Bug 1272994 that skellat mailed to the xubuntu devel list [09:23] bug 1272994 in parole (Ubuntu) "Parole does not play mp4 video with h264 codec" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1272994 [09:58] zequence: Most of the packages in seeds were changed to recommends around the time when apt-get started installing recommends by default. [10:01] astraljava: I wouldn't say most, and also, there's no consistency [10:01] OvenWerks: I see that you have added some stuff to seeds, but as recommends. Any particular reason to do so? [10:02] OvenWerks: also, no need to add comments to the actual seeds, unless there's something really specific about a package - the bzr comment is there for that reason [10:09] astraljava, interesting. A bit weird though that it automatically installs recommendations? [10:11] One can install with a no recommends option [10:41] cub: It was changed several years ago, IIRC. zequence: What I mean with most is that most of what were depends at that time were changed to recommends. But of course that's a long time ago, my recollection might be faulty by now. [19:54] cub: you are asking about ubuntustudio on portables? [19:55] cub: i think that would be up to ARM support.. or projects wanting to get in the iStore or whatever [19:55] cub: i use similar tools on netbooks, though, i bring projects to the bigger machine when i edit [20:04] No I was more thinking of something similar application wise that I could run on my eee pc instead of using Garageband on my iPhone [20:04] what tools do you use holstein ? [20:04] I [20:05] 'm looking into if lmms would work for me [20:06] I'd like to be able to create and toy with ideas while I'm commuting and then bring it over to my main laptop at home to work with later on [20:07] lmms seems kind of like a toy to me.. but, then again, so does garage band [20:07] i just use jack and ardour [20:07] but in ardour, can you create music without recording something live? [20:07] lmms seemed interesting, but, back when i was checking it out, it was crashy with jack.. i got it up and tested it enough to find that it wasnt for me [20:08] cub: ardour3 has midi support, but, if i were interested in midi like that, i would do qtractor or rosegarden [20:08] GB is sweet in such way that the auto-isntruments there sound alright and it's wuite easy to build a background and add a melody to it [20:08] if you want to work with samples like that, like frooty loops style, i think lmms is the tool [20:08] yeah qtractor sprung to mind. I'm not sure how midi works without a midi instrument or proper soundcard [20:09] there are many soft synths in the repo [20:09] and lots of linux instrument plugins [20:09] but the midi tools I have olooked at was sounding way too bad [20:09] [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians is my go-to guy for this stuff [20:09] i mostly just do analog stuff [20:09] cub: "bad" sounds is a matter of opinion [20:10] cub: and, im sure i can open GB and make something that sounds bad, or find sounds that i dont like [20:10] cub: as a matter of fact, if never heard one i thought was acceptable [20:10] but, im sure it all depends on one's needs [20:10] yes but in mma for instance everything sounded like my atari in the 80s [20:11] I need something better than that to be creative. :P [20:11] "better" is again a matter of opinion [20:11] yeah [20:11] there are many instruments in the repos and available for download/purchase [20:11] as you konw, there is no "linux" making sure all professional musicians purchase the products availalbe for it [20:11] as plugins for qtractor and such? [20:12] i mean, apple is always welcome to create and release GB for linux with jack support [20:12] that would be nice but I would prefer a FOSS alternative [20:12] but, since thats not likely going to happen, you should try and find folks (like [lsd]) who are using ubuntu to do exactly what you are taking about [20:12] cool [20:12] cub: thats asking a lot though [20:13] its like, i want something *perfect* for my workflow, thats just like what big corporate folks put out with giant budgets.. but, it must be free and underground [20:13] you never know, somewhere there might be a developer wanting the same thing as me you know how to write the application [20:13] and, personally, i find lots of those projects to be very much on par with commercial ones, but one must go and find them [20:13] there is not commercial entity pushing them [20:14] exactly, they might be out there but just hard to find [20:14] its not even "hard".. its just, not being marketed in any way [20:14] why do i know about garage band? ive never ever owned it.. and ive only ran it on a few friends machines to help them set it up [20:15] for many of my friends, going online to irc to chat with people is "hard" [20:15] i see commercials for it, and apple pushes it [20:15] anyone is welcome and encouraged to push and commercialize any of the foss tools, but since there is no $$ coming in for it, it likely wont happen [20:15] my friends use it on their macs and ipads, so I tried it out on the company iphone. Quite handy to document ideas quickly [20:16] sure.. but, i can do the same in FOSS, and with jack support [20:17] that's what I'm hoping for [20:17] but, these foss tools are open, and can be looked at to be ported to whatever.. like the iOS [20:17] and, the commercial tools are welcome to be written for linux [20:17] so, really, either way is possible.. just not financially probable right now [20:22] I need to read up on lmms and qtractor and have time to mess around. [20:22] among all the other things I want/need to accomplish. :P [20:23] or, just ask [lsd] [20:24] will do [20:24] http://wootangent.net/2010/10/linux-music-tutorial-seq24-part-1/ for example [20:24] thats his site.. [20:26] nice [20:27] I'll watch his tutorial first before asking stupid questions that might be answered in there.