[00:23] knome, I'm here [00:25] jjfrv8, o hai! [00:26] jjfrv8, we should look into getting you to ~ubuntu-core-do [00:26] +c [00:26] what's involved in that? [00:27] jjfrv8, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization#Requirements_for_Ubuntu_Documentation_Committers [00:28] jjfrv8, what you need to do now is mail ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com with your free form application to be applied to the team [00:28] ok, I can do some of that homework that I haven't completed yet. [00:28] You can apply to join either of these teams by posting to the mailing list and asking to be added. Please provide evidence that you satisfy the requirements in this section. It's particularly helpful if you can include links to concrete examples of your work, such as wiki pages or patches. [00:29] hehe, haven't done any of that [00:29] i can help you getting the mail in shape (as can pleia2), and once you've applied, i can also +1 your application [00:29] ok [00:30] well, i can guarantee you have basically all the information you get from #1 (at least in the xubuntu scope) [00:30] oh look, it is documented :) I thought I might have imagined it [00:30] you have done #2 (i can confirm that as well) [00:30] i guess the only thing you need to look is #3, the bug control pages [00:30] and get the mail sent :) [00:31] all right, will do [00:31] I'll let you know when I'm ready to work on the mail? [00:32] jjfrv8, basically it's enough that you can check the three first points in the "generic requirements" section, the rest is optional/related to direct memberships [00:32] Unit193: could you do a rather simplistic package for xubuntu? [00:32] sure, though i'm off to bed soon for today [00:33] Unit193: hint: http://xubuntu.org/news/community-wallpaper-contest-winners/ [00:33] knome, another question before you go: how come you deleted the SRU item from the BP instead of marking it done? [00:33] jjfrv8, there is a bug linked to the blueprints [00:34] -s [00:34] jjfrv8, that counts as one work item; we don't want multiple work items per one task [00:34] oh [00:34] and yeah, the SRU with fixed looks should be in now [00:34] night everyone [00:35] nighty ochosi [00:35] it's not all the way in, is it? I just checked and it doesn't show up as an update yet. [00:35] jjfrv8, do you have -proposed enabled? [00:36] affirmative [00:36] right [00:36] then it's probably taking some time; seb128 has sponsored it though, so it should be in sooner or later [00:36] I'll keep checking [00:37] I keep looking for noskcaj's weather plugin too but haven't seen that yet [00:37] was there any other reply from ted apart that he is interested? did you follow up on that further? [00:38] is that about the weather thing? I didn't think there was anything to do but wait for it to go through [00:39] no, that was about docs stuff [00:39] got mail from ted on 15th saying "Yes, yes, very interested!", but no further communication regarding that [00:39] Oh, that. Yes we've traded e-mails. He's working through the bzr stuff. He got stuck at the same spot I did [00:39] ok, good :) [00:40] I sent him unit193's workaround but haven't heard back to see if it worked yet [00:40] never heard back from the other guy [00:41] right, that happens [00:41] Hmm? [00:41] if you are seriously stuck with bzr, you can CC me as well, or ask him to join us on IRC [00:41] I did (the latter) [00:41] we have other tasks (not related to bzr) open for work as well, so it's not really a hard requirement at this point [00:42] right, it's where he wanted to start, though [00:42] ok, that's fine [00:42] Workaround for something? [00:43] the -devel mailing list is completely fine to discuss problems with bzr and stuff, as long as it is directly related trying to get something done for xubuntu ;) [00:43] Unit193, last spring when you and knome were helping me learn the bzr ropes I had some LP issues and you fixed them [00:43] Oh, cool. [00:43] wondering if it's about LP/bzr "knowing you" [00:44] and setting up keys and that [00:44] pasting some text into ~\.ssh\config [00:44] Ahhh, that. [00:57] ok, i'm off to bed [00:57] email, PM me and i'll reply when i get back [00:57] cya [00:57] night knome [00:57] see you, and nighty! [00:58] I'm off to [00:58] cy tomorrow guys [00:58] to anyone interested on my current status; Internet is completely dead; ubuntu-gnome took all of the time at the MOTU meeting and applying by email still isn't working; pyexcept is updated in debian, mugshot and menulibre are being reviewed now; gthumb 3.3 is now in ubuntu [00:58] g'night knome, slickymaster [01:03] micahg: Any progress on the weather-plugin SRU? [01:04] hrm, was I supposed to upload something? [01:05] it's in unapproved [01:05] ok [01:14] knome: Got the emails of the winners? [01:14] ochosi: ^? [01:37] ochosi: 9.1M Jan 28 20:37 gavinash_solitude.jpg not so small. [07:03] bluesabre: not even going to try to do a testcase for menulibre until there's some sort of docs for it [07:36] Unit193: yeah i know, we'll have to get in touch with all the authors (probably won't get to it until next week, so if you wanna take over, that'd be great), we can get in touch with them via the wiki accounts i think [07:36] Unit193: of one or two i might have email addresses as well [07:37] Unit193: anyway, if you're generally willing to take this task, i'd assign the packaging to you in the artwork-blueprint [07:40] morning ochosi [07:40] morning elfy [07:42] ochosi: any change with the gtk3 inds - are we still looking to get them in this cycle? [07:43] yup, we are [07:43] ok :) [07:43] we're kinda waiting for a panel-release [07:43] but i think we should get a git-snapshot in asap [07:43] so that we get more testing [07:43] right [07:43] Noskcaj said he was going to look into that, but obviously he has troubles with his connection [07:43] sorry, gotta run, bbl [08:30] ochosi: congrats with the wallpapers content/contest :) [09:08] pmjdebruijn: thanks :) [09:46] morning all [09:46] hi slickymaster [09:47] hey elfy [09:48] ochosi: No, I'm looking for copyright reasons, I have it all done otherwise. [09:48] Unit193: oh, nice. i sent out some contact requests, i also want to know who wants to be attributed how [09:49] elfy: I see you're waiting for MenuLibre docs to start working on its testcase [09:50] thing is, that from what I've seen, those docs are bound to became a huge task [09:51] slickymaster: well ... [09:51] that's as maybe - but as it stands I can't even make the thing work :p [09:52] I was planning on porting the mugshot docs to docbook format, so they can be integrated in the xubuntu docs and then, after that, start to work on the MenuLibre ones [09:54] yea - I read that [09:55] that said we don't test alacarte [09:55] so I guess the testing is more about making sure it works - which it doesn't for me :p [09:56] tbh, even though I already installed it, I haven't tried it yet [09:57] ochosi: Want to take a look? [09:57] Unit193: sure thing [09:57] slickymaster: I've tried it - can't make it work - got other stuff to do :) [09:58] yeah, there's no way we can nag about being left with nothing to do [09:58] lol [09:59] knome: ping [10:01] ochosi: You know packaging well enough to play with the source package, or just bin? [10:02] Unit193: i think the source package could be fine [10:02] if i have troubles, i'll ask [10:09] https://unit193.net/xubuntu-community-artwork_14.04.0.dsc - https://unit193.net/xubuntu-community-wallpapers_14.04.0_all.deb [10:18] Unit193: looks good to me! [10:18] so basically you need to fill in the email addresses into the <> and it's ready [10:18] d/copyright of course isn't done, but otherwise. [10:18] Yep. [10:18] i'll PM you the email addresses i have [10:19] Doh, right, I know yours. But that's different than the one. [10:46] slickymaster, pong [10:48] knome: regarding mugshot in docbook format. Do you think that it's best to make a brand new xml file to add the /desktop-guide/C/ folder or is it to be added to a existing xml file in that folder? [10:48] let me see [10:50] i think it could be a new section that falls between 3 and 4 [10:50] we could move "customizing the appearance" and the menulibre stuff there as well [10:50] what do you think? [10:51] give me a sec [10:55] well, they would both definitely fall under the Customizing the appearance section of Chapter 3 [10:55] not really [10:55] appearance is not personal details or the menu structure [10:55] you don't think so? [10:55] appearance is.. appearance [10:55] how things look [10:55] and that section is already somewhat big [10:55] but all three do have one thing in common: customizing [10:56] MenuLibre is bound to somehow change the appearance of the desktop [10:57] but the same doesn't happens with mugshot though [10:57] i understand what you are saying, but i'm not thinking "appearance" is as big entity as you do [10:57] I see [10:57] new section could be named "Tailoring the desktop for your personal preferences" [10:57] or sth [10:58] probably not that exactly [10:58] because if we think about it [10:58] currently, section 3 is named "Getting to know..." [10:58] and customizing something isn't really "getting to know", it's the next step already [10:58] so, following your reasoning that would result in another new chapter between the existing 3 and 4? [10:58] yep. [10:59] that chapter could ultimately also have a link to chapter 8 "managing installed applications" [11:00] but that's minor details [11:00] would you like me to set up the new chapter? [11:00] yeah, but I see the logic of it [11:01] knome: you could draw me a rough draft of it, so I can get an idea of how it's done [11:01] ok [11:01] i'll prepare it, just a sec [11:01] it will be my first endeavor on making on in docbook from scratch [11:01] meanwhile, give me a good name for the chapter [11:01] heh, yeah, what a way to start ;) [11:02] I must say that I do like your suggestion: "Tailoring the desktop for your personal preferences" [11:02] it's probably a tad long [11:02] hmm [11:03] let me think [11:04] fwiw, i'm naming the "stub" customizing-desktop [11:06] are there any restrictions on the string length, or is it just intended to be straight forward? [11:06] latter [11:06] ok [11:07] "Customizing your system" sounds too technical/heavy/deep [11:07] elfy, that's reasonable [11:08] what about "Your desktop, your preferences"? [11:08] slickymaster, that sounds like a marketing speech :D [11:08] :D yes, I know [11:08] and if we are really strict, it's not really just desktop [11:08] Have it your way [11:09] :D [11:09] oh wait, thats already taken [11:09] bluesabre, ideas? [11:09] lol [11:09] what about something like "Set up your preferences" [11:09] that one is clumsy, but something in that direction maybe [11:09] hmm, [11:09] btw bluesabre, are you ok with the mugshot docs? [11:10] Settings and Preferences :P [11:10] maybe we should use "customize" in the chapter title [11:10] Unit193, oh.. oh! [11:10] i guess that's it :P [11:11] one sec [11:12] so we're sticking with Unit193's suggestion? [11:12] that's pretty solid to me [11:12] we can talk about tailoring and stuff in the chapter introduciton paragraph [11:13] agree, I think he nailed it [11:14] slickymaster: the docs are excellent [11:15] bluesabre: good to hear [11:15] I can now stop worrying about that and focus on their docbook implementation [11:16] good deal [11:21] bah, will take some time [11:21] i need to fix some issues with something that i might want to change [11:22] I'll wait knome [11:22] i need to get it done before 12UTC anyway :P [11:22] hmm that leaves you with jus 40 minutes [11:22] just ^^ [11:22] yep [11:22] that's fien [11:22] fine* [11:46] question: [11:46] currently, the toc's only show items from chapter and section [11:47] basically saying, two levels [11:47] do you think we should allow one more level of section titles in the chapter pages? [11:47] eg. in "What is Xubuntu?", should the TOC list headers like "Xubuntu is...", "About the name", etc? [11:47] slickymaster, ^ [11:48] i am not sure if this is useful or not [11:48] could become handy in the network chapter [11:49] and in the new customize chapter [11:51] oh well, i'll leave it as it is for now [11:51] at least i've prepared the change and know what changing it involves :) [11:51] slickymaster, new revision pushed to branch :) [12:00] knome: do you want to say more? http://pastebin.com/abhmuY1f [12:02] knome: I saw it [12:04] elfy, http://pastebin.com/YcjY1NaE [12:04] that'll do then [12:04] sending [12:04] ta [12:07] yes knome, I do concur with you regarding the toc, but if implemented would that be obligatorily implemented in all the chapters? [12:08] making the toc a huge tree [12:08] or can it just be implemented on a need to basis? [12:08] slickymaster, what i'm proposing is to expand the TOC only in the chapter pages, not the index [12:08] slickymaster, but it would need to affect all chapters [12:09] wow, a news about the wallpaper contest http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/01/xubuntu-14-04-wallpaper-winners [12:09] :) [12:10] great promotion for xubuntu trusty :) [12:11] knome: not quite sure if I understand you. where is the TOC implemented in the chpater pages? [12:11] http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/what-is-xubuntu.html [12:11] has the TOC at the top [12:11] in the headr of each page? [12:11] yep [12:11] so that would have all the bold, level 2/3 headers [12:12] eg. "Xubuntu is...", "About the name" [12:12] probably a better example: http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/internet-networks.html [12:13] in that page, you could jump directly to "Wireless troubleshooting" instead of going to "Network troubleshooting" and scrolling down [12:13] yeah, no I get it [12:13] the index page (http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/index.html) would be kept as it is [12:13] to avoid the huge tree, as you said [12:14] yes, it just a matter of checking the implications of such a change in all the others chapters, besides chapter 6 and the new one [12:15] i don't think it's a problem for the chapter pages [12:15] but if it isn't useful, maybe we shouldn't do that [12:16] well, in pragmatic terms, i.e. usability, there would be gains [12:16] to the common user [12:16] definitely [12:16] except maybe in chapter 1 ;) [12:16] faster browser between the items [12:16] yes [12:16] where the repetition could be a bit meh [12:16] we *could* look about going around that as well [12:17] but i'll look at that if we decide to change the toc's [12:17] and if not, it's a matter of weighting the pros and cons of the implementation through all the documentation [12:17] yep [12:18] i would say most chapters would benefit from that [12:18] yes, I agree with you on that [12:18] Don't forget to ask Jack? [12:18] and some wouldn't change at all, there not being sublevel headings [12:18] Unit193, sure. [12:21] ali12341, what's your panel layout switcher GUI status? [12:26] bluesabre, do we still have things to push to/import from debian? [12:27] knome: I'm not sure if Noskcaj has gotten the latest menulibre and mugshot in there yet [12:27] if you see him today, could you check? [12:27] I sent him an email regarding it the other day [12:27] i can try to, but not sure how much i'll be around later today [12:28] and I'm currently working on catfish-1.0, and I should get that to debian this weekend, we might be able to sync it back down before the freeze [12:28] hopefully [12:28] +1 [12:29] otherwise, we'll manually sync it anyway [12:29] if you have it ready in debian ahead of DIF, we can poke other people as well to make sure we get it synced [12:30] and as usually, i'll help if you need help with anything, just email/PM if i don't seem to be around [12:33] bbl -> [13:22] knome: Is there any way to refresh the pot so that the translated strings remain translated, just moved? [14:39] the pot doens't have translated strings :P [14:40] yeah, i imagine there is a way [14:40] what that is... i don't know [14:40] at least poedit can "update .po from template" [14:40] so i imagine there is a tool that can do that === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [17:19] bbl after dinner -> [20:42] or actually, elfy, ping [20:45] ok - so [20:45] this [20:45] what's up [20:45] let me dig up the url [20:45] or let me guess [20:46] ok, guess :P [20:46] LTS Upgrades Testuite [20:46] actually not [20:46] bah [20:46] is there something that needs poking? :) [20:46] well we'll do you first then :p [20:46] hehe, ok [20:46] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009662.html [20:46] i don't really know what to do with that email [20:47] i mean it's cool that they want to help test around (or maybe not, maybe they just expect 14.04 to be polished already) [20:47] mmm - I saw it - but at the wrong time of the day [20:47] otoh, don't know how useful it is if they are not going to send reports [20:47] well - we have to assume that we've got more than 12 people testing I guess [20:48] oh knome i am currently making the "does it open?" test for all the apps so will have a list at the end of it of which ones are going to be a pain and a lot of merge requests to setup :P [20:48] and we kind of don't need anybody telling us one can use xubuntu for businesses [20:48] knome: yea [20:48] pleia2, elfy: maybe we could tell them they could take part in our "Xubuntu at..." series if they decide to use xubuntu [20:49] knome: maybe a - "yea, if you want to test that then go ahead, all and any testing is useful. However we're not set up for specific scenarios" [20:49] pleia2, elfy: and if they'd also want to talk about their deciding process, and if they really want to go deep, how they wanted to give something back (eg. test stuff) [20:49] You can do it and post to the list [20:50] but - yea - maybe a bit of that and a bit of "xubuntu at ..." [20:50] i think it might be too much hassle to help them get started with the test reports [20:50] but it might be a good fit for the article series [20:50] lderan, autopilot that is? [20:51] too much for us to help much - but they could perhaps liase with -qa in general [20:51] mhm, well, i don't know [20:51] maybe they aren't interested to go in that deep [20:51] it just looks they want to get something that works for them [20:51] knome, yup [20:52] my issue is that given it's like pushing a rock up a hill backwards to get anyone to get involved with testing - I don't like saying no very much ;) [20:52] pleia2, would you like to set up a reply (i can help) talking about the article series and briefly mentioning "real" testing possibilities [20:52] elfy, after im done with this i will be going through the upgrade test :) [20:52] lderan: that's great :) [20:52] elfy, yep, i understand that point, and that's why i'm not too excited about this mail [20:52] i just marked it as "do something about this" on my inbox... [20:52] yep - I can understand that [20:53] right - I marked it in my mind and slid it under the carpet in my head [20:53] hehe [20:53] lderan, yep, that's cool :) [20:54] elfy, so, what was your thing? [20:54] knome: go for it from the xubuntu at perspective - mentioning perhaps the size of team and the qa issues we have [20:54] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2014-January/004880.html [20:54] that - I looked, can;t see what I should be doing [20:54] aha [20:54] and I wish I'd not sent that mail this morning :| [20:54] i'll look [20:54] heh. why? [20:55] now I've got to send another saying that lts to lts is somewhere else and ignore what I said earlier [20:55] that happens [20:55] yep [20:55] shouldn't have poked nick about a testcase bug lol [20:56] knome: is it here ? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/42/testsuites [20:57] that's it [20:57] i just set it up [20:58] mmm - can't find it :( [20:58] hum? [20:59] * knome pokes elfy in the wooden eye [20:59] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57248/testcases [20:59] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57247/testcases [20:59] so the same links [20:59] aah yea - wasn't there when I looked :p [20:59] and you don't need to send a sorry-mail [21:00] nope - just a they are now seperate one :) [21:00] cool - thanks knome :) [21:00] probably not, because i had just added them when you asked about the admin side [21:00] np [21:00] okey doke - that all from you? it is from me [21:01] i'm fine for now at least :) [21:01] I replied to the Richard guy on the m/l a short while ago [21:01] okey doke [21:01] working tomorrow - be about for the meeting though [21:02] mhm, have fun :) [21:02] lderan: any chance of getting some of the which work and which don't before tomorrow's meeting? [21:02] don't sweat it if not - another week won't hurt given it's been simmering for almost 2 cycles :p [21:02] anybody has an opinion re: bug 1004400 ? [21:02] bug 1004400 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu: default double click time is too short" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1004400 [21:03] my opinion is that I've never got the double click to work on the window title bar [21:03] ever [21:03] it's fixed upstream [21:05] I've not got an issue with it being increased [21:05] elfy, thats my plan [21:05] lderan: thanks [21:06] then the poor dan will get flooded with MPs :( [21:06] :) [21:06] which will make us have more tests then Ubuntu :D [21:07] ha ha ha [21:07] I need to get my head around jenkins and the reports [21:09] i need to setup my own jenkins at somepoint [21:11] ok - off now - cya tomorrow eventually [21:13] night all [21:13] hello slickymaster [21:13] hi knome [21:15] Hi slickymaster [21:16] hey lderan [21:18] knome, where you thinking in ant particular order for the sections in the settings-preferences.xml or can I just continue after the last existing section? [21:18] s/ant/any [21:19] slickymaster, thought maybe personal info (mugshot) - appearance - menu(libre) [21:21] but those after the existing section "customizing-desktop-effects", right? [21:21] slickymaster, eh, read again ;) [21:23] now you lost me, knome [21:24] slickymaster, heh, ok, so [21:24] there are currently 4 sections in the xml file and I guess that those are to remain there [21:24] slickymaster, i thought mugshot stuff should come before existing stuff [21:24] ok [21:24] slickymaster, and the menu docs after [21:24] isn't that a logical order? [21:24] personal preferences -> looks -> menu editing [21:24] won't argue with that logic [21:25] * knome shrugs [21:25] at worst, we can reorder later [21:25] okie dokie [21:25] a last thing, do you want me to finish the intro paragraph, also? [21:26] definitely ;) [21:27]