[00:13] <sgclark> Riddell: got that from http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List sorry if wrong
[00:16] <Riddell> sgclark: dunno, I queried afiestas
[00:16] <sgclark> ok
[00:16] <Riddell> hmm, where has kdontchangethehostname gone?
[00:16] <Riddell> oh it's in kde-runtime
[00:17] <Riddell> always loved that binary name
[00:17] <sgclark> lol
[00:18] <sgclark> kded last of t3, want me to start t4?
[00:18] <Riddell> sgclark: kded uploaded!
[00:18] <Riddell> go for it!
[00:18] <sgclark> ok :)
[00:18] <Riddell> I changed kf5-kded to kded, I don't think there's a name for a namespace
[00:19] <Riddell> of course all my decisions are arbitrary and someone else might disagree when they look at it, I expect debian will have lots of opinions, they usually do
[00:19] <sgclark> ok
[00:20] <Riddell> yay, down to 17 unprocessed e-mails, go me
[00:22] <sgclark> hehe I need to go through mine sometime soon
[00:46]  * Riddell snoozes
[02:31] <ahoneybun> how are you feeling today yofel?
[03:11] <ahoneybun> has anyone built homerun 1.2 for saucy?
[03:11] <ahoneybun> hey mhall119
[03:13] <mhall119> hey ahoneybun 
[03:14] <ahoneybun> what day is the meeting for fl loco?
[03:15] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-florida/719/detail/
[03:15] <mhall119> this Monday
[03:15] <ahoneybun> thansk
[03:22] <ahoneybun> I'm stuck at this message http://pastie.org/8680765
[03:24] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I'm guessing that last one wasn't for me :)
[03:28] <ahoneybun> yea ;)
[07:24] <soee> good morning
[09:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/bgguWHK.png is that normal with the oxygen font?
[09:08] <valorie> ewwww
[09:10] <apachelogger> or maybe I somehow broke font rendering
[09:10] <apachelogger> now I can't get any decent font going anymore
[09:10]  * apachelogger sighs
[09:11] <yofel> looks like disabled antialiasing?  ^^
[09:22] <ovidiu-florin> any chance on getting Homerun 1.2.0 on Saucy?
[09:26] <soee> avi through ppa https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/homerun?field.series_filter=saucy
[09:26] <agateau> shadeslayer: in case it's not too late, the "circle progress thing" can be done with a KPixmapSequenceWidget http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKPixmapSequenceWidget.html
[09:29] <ovidiu-florin> soee: thank you
[09:42] <shadeslayer> agateau: nope not too late
[09:42] <shadeslayer> thx
[09:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: already uploaded
[09:45] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, well, the settings disagreed -.-
[09:45] <apachelogger> so much madness
[09:55] <jackyalcine> does apport and drkonqi work together on KDE?
[09:55] <jackyalcine> I'm curious only because I'm playing with Unity (for the hell of it) and it's like automatically reporting all of the bugs I had backed up on apport
[09:56] <jackyalcine> Well, it wouldn't make sense for drkonqi to do so, since it's KDE-specific
[09:56]  * jackyalcine excuses himself
[10:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope
[10:16] <apachelogger> jackyalcine: it does in 14.04
[10:17] <apachelogger> in addition to being able to file a manual bug with KDE directly drkonqi can send automatic crash data to us
[10:18] <jackyalcine> no point/chance of that hitting backports?
[10:19] <apachelogger> nope
[10:20] <jackyalcine> Guessing it's one of those KF5 changes?
[10:20]  * jackyalcine is curious
[10:21] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/6XcuijNW
[10:21]  * jackyalcine clicks curiously
[10:23]  * jackyalcine is enlightened
[10:23] <jackyalcine> thanks apachelogger 
[11:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I totally do not understand your comment to bug 1273413
[11:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu-desktop depends on pm-utils
[11:05] <shadeslayer> however, upower does not ... sort of
[11:05] <shadeslayer> it depends on pm-utils | systemd-services
[11:05] <shadeslayer> according to Riddell
[11:05] <Riddell> and apt :)
[11:06] <shadeslayer> upower has been patched so that it only uses pm-utils
[11:06] <shadeslayer> hence, upower should depend on pm-utils, systemd-services
[11:10] <apachelogger> peculiar
[11:10] <apachelogger> that systemd patchery sure sounds exciting -.-
[11:46] <jackyalcine> I know this might be higher up the food chain, but shouldn't something like 'accountsservice' *not* require/suggest gnome-control-center?
[11:46] <Riddell> yes
[11:46] <jackyalcine> I'm asking because I'm removing more GNOME apps and I almost broke my system because this linked to a GNOME app
[11:47] <Riddell> but suggests are pretty harmless
[11:48] <jackyalcine> alrighty
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:23] <apachelogger> jackyalcine: suggests are not installed by default
[13:05] <sgclark> Riddell: kde4support ready
[13:05] <Riddell> ooh another biggie?
[13:10] <Riddell> sgclark: khtml in PPA if you want to review it
[13:10] <sgclark> ok
[13:10] <sgclark> yeah pretty big, lots of deps
[13:14] <Riddell> sgclark: that is a muckle copyright file :)
[13:14] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah that is what took the longest hehe
[13:14] <Riddell> oh I forgot the symbols file in khtml
[13:31] <sgclark> Riddell: Homepage: in control needs to be changed to khtml
[13:32] <sgclark> Riddell: debian in copyright needs to be you :)
[13:46] <ghostcube> haha something to laugh about... petition de depart justin bieber :D loool
[13:47] <ghostcube> *to
[13:48] <BluesKaj> he's already back in Canada, facing more charges./...think he's looking for badboy street creds 
[13:49] <ghostcube> lol
[13:49] <BluesKaj> wimpy gonna be a rapper :)
[13:50] <ghostcube> oha... nah not almost clode enough 
[13:50] <ghostcube> no style no flow
[13:51] <BluesKaj> dunno, don't listen tio that stuff , it's just chanting with a beat, to my ears
[13:56] <ghostcube> in case you listen to justin bieber i would tell you to contact a couch doctor
[13:56] <ghostcube> :D
[13:59] <BluesKaj> uhm, never listened to bubblegum music, even as a kid ...it's for girls and girlies  
[13:59] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:01] <Riddell> BluesKaj, ghostcube: please remain on topic and non-sexist
[14:02] <ghostcube> Riddell: ok sorry 
[14:13] <Riddell> hmm, how do make this co-installable? /usr/share/locale/en_US/entry.desktop
[14:14] <soee> wow looks like nvidia-prime is fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1268771 :)
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: entry_kf5.desktop?
[14:15] <Riddell> hmm, would need klocale_kde.cpp patched
[14:15]  * Riddell puts that down to be a job for later
[14:17] <Riddell> I suppose all the langpacks will have the same issue
[14:21] <markit> hi I deploy LTSP (thin and fat clients as well) in schols, using kde as de, and I have a lot of I/O if compared with xfce or gnome-fallback that are usually used. Would love to have next kde version work well
[14:21] <markit> anyone here that can help me help you to  have kde work fine? :)
[14:22] <markit> having a kde dev willing to deploy a test ltsp installation (I can help about it) and verify some issues would be great
[14:23] <BluesKaj> markit, perhaps #kde might be more appropriate for your query.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> or #kde-devel
[14:24] <BluesKaj> even
[14:26] <Riddell> markit: hmm, that's very good to hear you're using it, I'm afraid I have zero experience with ltsp so I wouldn't know where to start
[14:26] <Riddell> markit: it's disk i/o you're seeing?
[14:27] <markit> Riddell: I measure with iftop, and I see 400MB of transfer, while gnomefallback has much less (2x less)
[14:28] <markit> if you multiply for 20 students and a 2x1gbi nic, you see that is a real bottleneck
[14:28] <Riddell> hmm, network i/o ?
[14:28] <Riddell> oh but presumably most of that is the ltsp stuff to show what's on screen
[14:28] <markit> is disk i/o as well, but don't know how to measure it
[14:28] <markit> Riddell: ah, no that is FAT client solution
[14:29] <markit> it uses a read only image and the home to write
[14:29] <markit> so I see 400MB of writes
[14:29] <markit> I had to move /var/tmp/kdecache to ~/.cache otherwise it does not work
[14:29] <Riddell> ah, lots of cacheing
[14:29] <markit> and set nfs (home is mounted with nfs) to async (that is risky) because with sync it hangs
[14:31] <markit> Riddell: even in a single desktop like my laptop that has a slow hd, you see that after login it tales a LOT of time and hd is green still until K menu is responsive
[14:31] <markit> just with ltsp the I/O optimization is fundamental
[14:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know about plasma caching? could that be the issue?
[14:33] <Riddell> markit: don't you have a local /var ?
[14:33] <markit> Riddell: do you mind we exchange email address and be in touch later, where I'm at home and I've my "ltsp test lab"?
[14:33] <markit> Riddell: fat client are DISKLESS
[14:35] <Riddell> markit: can do, I'm jriddell@ubuntu .com
[14:35] <markit> in any case you have to compare with lxde or xfce or gnomefallback performances, that are far better
[14:36] <apachelogger> you really should take this to some kde thing
[14:36] <apachelogger> but yeah, the disk IO would be from cache data
[14:36] <apachelogger> which is why you'd want a local /var
[14:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1112734
[14:36] <apachelogger> otherwise it's going to load the entire cache at least once
[14:36] <apachelogger> and only the plasma theme cache is like 100mib
[14:36] <markit> here some numbers
[14:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I invited markit here, I thought someone might know how to do deploy KDE with LTSP here
[14:37] <apachelogger> KDE might know how to deploy a plasma workspace with KDE
[14:37] <markit> from boot to ldm login (ltsp login) 66MB
[14:37] <apachelogger> kinda implied by the name ;)
[14:37] <markit> kde login with nfs async, firsrt login 600MB
[14:38] <markit> sorry kde login with nfs sync, firsrt login 600MB
[14:38] <markit> kde login with nfs Async, firsrt login 140MB instead, but async is less secure
[14:38] <markit> next logins, async, 100MB
[14:38] <markit> in comparison
[14:39] <markit> gnome I° login (fallback)	42MB
[14:39] <markit> gnome next login (fallback)	35MB
[14:39] <markit> Unity I° login	45MB
[14:39] <markit> both with async or sync, is the same for them
[14:40] <markit> so if you have 20 clients booting, you have 140MB vs 42, is a 3x
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/553499 < what's up with that
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have you reviewed my MR's yet
[14:40] <apachelogger> MR of?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> upgrade manager
[14:41] <apachelogger> I doubt that stuff ends up in my inbox
[14:42] <apachelogger> as for the bug... that is somewhat improved
[14:42] <apachelogger> it's still insanity to offer the option tho
[14:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: might be worth it to update bug report it and add it to trello if required for 14.04
[14:43] <apachelogger> not requird
[14:43] <apachelogger> not even very important
[14:44] <apachelogger> just there so that everyone has something to look at and doesn't file 30000 bug reports for the same non-issue
[14:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so am I getting MR urls or do I have to search for them?
[14:45] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubuntu-release-upgrader/kubuntu/+merge/203595]
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/820491released yet
[14:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's the diff at line 8?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bah, != vs not None
[14:47] <apachelogger> revert requested
[14:47] <apachelogger> keep clutter out of the reviews plz
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whats with the error handling that was removed?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: error handling is present
[14:48] <shadeslayer> just moved to releaseNotesLoaded
[14:48] <apachelogger> 19	+ self.dialogue.releaseNotesBrowser.setUrl(QUrl(uri))
[14:48] <apachelogger> 20	+ self.dialogue.releaseNotesBrowser.loadFinished.connect(self.releaseNotesLoaded)
[14:48] <apachelogger> you want to connect first
[14:49] <shadeslayer> mm right ofcourse
[14:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: comment on MR, I'll fix on Monday
[14:52] <apachelogger>             if(!res)
[14:52] <apachelogger>                 qWarning() << "Couldn't find the package:" << it->name();
[14:52] <apachelogger>             Q_ASSERT(res);
[14:52] <apachelogger>             m_toUpdate += res;
[14:52] <apachelogger> :O
[14:52] <shadeslayer> wait what
[14:54] <apachelogger> someone was drunk and wrote silly code
[14:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1267977] Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1267977 (by Michael Marley)
[14:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1272438] kwin 100% of cpu, second session @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1272438 (by DimanNe)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: still waiting for a response on 820491
[14:57] <apachelogger> it says fix commited?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> yes, so was it released?
[14:57] <apachelogger> it would say fix released then? :P
[15:13] <apachelogger> images still oversized
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to give kpat the boot
[15:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: new neon5 image seems to work although it doesn't seem to have konsole on it which is a shame
[15:37] <Riddell> thank goodness for that autumn wallpaper plugin, main thing to demo :)
[15:40] <apachelogger> it's wobblywindows advertisment all over again
[15:40] <apachelogger> :S
[15:41] <Riddell> wibbly wobbly timey wimey leafy
[15:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: as in homerun?
[15:48] <Quintasan> geh
[15:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1249557] kwin crashes on login @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1249557 (by Scott Moore)
[15:58] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:01] <Riddell> why do we have both kdeconnect and kdeconnect-kde packages
[16:01] <Riddell> and which do I want?
[16:03] <Riddell> Quintasan, shadeslayer: are you guys doing the same thing?
[16:04] <Riddell> oh, one comes from debian
[16:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: Geh
[16:04] <Quintasan> so
[16:04] <Quintasan> kdeconnect comes from debian?
[16:04] <Riddell> seems so
[16:05] <Riddell> that should just get a transitional package then
[16:05] <Riddell> and kdeconnect-kde source can go
[16:05] <Quintasan> Seems like a good idea
[16:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: able to do that?
[16:05] <Quintasan> Should be able to really soon
[16:08] <Riddell> now what can I do with this kdeconnect thing? I was good stuff to demo at fosdem
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes
[16:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why do we need to get rid of ubufox?
[16:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pulls in aptdaemon
[16:23] <apachelogger> for example
[16:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, it's useful for restart notifications
[16:24] <apachelogger> restart for what when where?
[16:24] <shadeslayer> when firefox is updated
[16:24] <apachelogger> we have kubuntu-notification-helper for that
[16:25] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6844570/ these test pass local but fail in pbuilder, have tried several things without success
[16:25] <shadeslayer> does that work with firefox?
[16:29] <Riddell> "Compared values are not the same"  sounds like something fundmental sgclark 
[16:29] <Riddell> sgclark: give me what you've got and I'll take a look
[16:30] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thank you
[16:30] <ghostcube> shadeslayer: i get a notice if firefox is updated to restart it
[16:30] <ghostcube> so i think this is working
[16:31] <ghostcube> i think i havent got ubufox installed would have to check
[16:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if not that'd be a bug ;)
[16:32] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:32] <ghostcube> Riddell: hmm you can pair youre android with connect and see notifications by adding the kdeconnect widget 
[16:33] <ghostcube> you can remote control dragon player
[16:33] <sgclark> Riddell: frameworkintegration ready
[16:33] <ghostcube> but you cant see the battery state so far, perhaps you can but not in my 4.3 android s3
[16:36] <Quintasan> ghostcube: Monitoring battery needs a patch in solid
[16:36] <ghostcube> ahh ok 
[16:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: if play something (movie or music) and ask someone to call you, it's going to stop the playback
[16:37] <Quintasan> you can share clipboard contents with your device
[16:37] <Quintasan> also you can transfer files using that
[16:37] <ghostcube> yep, that works nice :)
[16:39] <ghostcube> a vlc remote fundtion would be cool :D but its limited to dragonplayer so far
[16:40] <Quintasan> Nope
[16:40] <Quintasan> It's limited to anything that supports MPRIS or sth like that
[16:40] <ghostcube> ah ok.. 
[16:40] <Quintasan> It stops SMPlayer iirc if you get a call
[16:43] <shadeslayer> it pauses a movie if you get a call though
[16:43] <shadeslayer> which is neat
[16:43] <shadeslayer> I accidentally restarted the movie after picking up the call xSD
[16:43] <shadeslayer> xD
[16:44] <ghostcube> :D
[16:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/DxtwS4c.png
[16:45] <shadeslayer> good enough?
[16:45] <ghostcube> uhhhh i have to change my comment
[16:45] <ghostcube> vlc works in 0.4.2
[16:45] <ghostcube> :o
[16:48] <ghostcube> yep works fine... holds the film and then after call starts it again
[16:51] <ghostcube> oh Quintasan it shows the battery state in 0.4.2 here now after reboot. in the task bar app
[16:52] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:52] <Quintasan> maybe there is no need for solid then
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you might want to do the SRU
[16:54] <ghostcube> Quintasan: http://picpaste.de/pics/Kubuntu-140nmNKx.1391100861.png
[16:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: what sru?
[16:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: kdeconnect
[16:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: are you going to do transitional package in trusty then?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> on Monday
[16:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: technically it isn't google's chromium I think
[16:57] <apachelogger> it is however Mozilla Firefox
[16:57] <apachelogger> they was very explicit about us calling it properly in order for us to use the official logo
[16:58] <shadeslayer> I see
[16:58] <shadeslayer> "Kubuntu includes Mozilla's Firefox" ?
[16:58] <Quintasan> I'd make it
[16:58] <Quintasan> Mozilla Foundation's web browser - Firefox
[16:59] <Quintasan> just to annoy them
[16:59] <Quintasan> :P
[16:59] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:59] <Quintasan> ehh how do we SRU this
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'd just update the kdeconnect-kde package
[17:00] <Quintasan> Yeah
[17:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/+merge/204045
[17:02] <Quintasan> wait
[17:02] <Quintasan> do we have to SRU that?
[17:03] <Quintasan> saucy has 0.4.1, does the new version break it?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no no, just update kdeconnect-kde with 0.4.2
[17:03] <shadeslayer> should work without any packaging changes
[17:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: The question is
[17:05] <Quintasan> do we HAVE to do this
[17:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'd say yes, users get a annoying "Outdated version" message on their devices
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not Mozilla's Firefox  but Mozilla Firefox
[17:05] <apachelogger> that's a brand
[17:05] <shadeslayer> if they have 0.4.1 on the desktop and 0.4.2 on their phone
[17:05] <apachelogger> like Microsoft Internet Explorer
[17:06] <apachelogger> because Internet Explorer is too generic a term
[17:06] <shadeslayer> done
[17:11] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: "* Enable searching for missing plugins from Ubuntu software catalog"
[17:11] <shadeslayer> any ideas what that is?
[17:11] <Quintasan> do I target saucy-proposed in changelog first?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yep
[17:11] <shadeslayer> or well
[17:12] <shadeslayer> doesn't matter
[17:12] <shadeslayer> it'll land in proposed first anyway
[17:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you go to prn.com which wants flash, you have no flash, firefox asks for flash, ubufox uses aptdaemon to use and install the flashes
[17:12] <shadeslayer> gotcha
[17:13] <apachelogger> ^ in practise for some reason that doesn't even work on kubuntu, like disregarding the qaptworker/aptdaemon conflict it simply did not do anything
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1274605
[17:14] <shadeslayer> not sure who to poke now
[17:15] <apachelogger> ha! vueling wants me to fly to BNC
[17:15] <shadeslayer> BNC?
[17:15] <apachelogger> only 50 euroses in feburary
[17:16] <apachelogger> only 40 eurores in march
[17:16] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[17:17] <apachelogger> flying from vienna to barcelona apparenlty is cheaper than hopping on a train from my place to vienna
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[17:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:  ah yes, typo
[17:17] <shadeslayer> trains to/from Barcelona are crazy expensive
[17:18] <shadeslayer> ah, you're coming to BCN?
[17:18] <apachelogger> trains.
[17:18] <shadeslayer> I'll ask the weed shop next to the office to stack up
[17:18] <apachelogger> gross
[17:18] <apachelogger> weed is gross.
[17:18] <apachelogger> real men take proper medication
[17:20] <Quintasan> >medication
[17:20] <Quintasan> Which part of that is medication?
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: all parts of mediciation are medication, except for the parts that are poison, then again the line there is blurry, let's just call all poison also medication
[17:21] <apachelogger> such philosophical
[17:21]  * Quintasan shakes his head
[17:21] <apachelogger> poison, the medication for life</depressive>
[17:22] <apachelogger> how did we get to this topic anyway
[17:22] <apachelogger> ah yes, BCN
[17:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: possibly I may visit the office at some point to tell everyone just howwwwwww gross beards are
[17:22] <apachelogger> spoilers: it's a lot :O
[17:23] <sgclark> Riddell: kapidox ready. extra-license lintian but I think they are part of package 
[17:23] <shadeslayer> d_ed: ^^
[17:23] <shadeslayer> d_ed: since you started the beard trend
[17:23] <d_ed> I did no such thing!
[17:23] <d_ed> I just won.
[17:23] <shadeslayer> well your beard won
[17:33] <Quintasan> d_ed: Was the thing you won a bet?
[17:33] <d_ed> pride.
[17:33] <d_ed> and itchiness.
[17:33] <d_ed> mostly itchiness.
[17:33] <blizzz> updated kde, suspended laptop,  now the screenlock does not show the password field. can i disable the screenlock via cli? tried to kill the kscreenlock_greeter, but with no effect
[17:33] <Quintasan> I might have phrased my question wrongly
[17:34] <Quintasan> d_ed: What did you win as in was that a bet or competition or what? :P
[17:34] <apachelogger> d_ed: itchiness, oh god
[17:34] <apachelogger> itchy beard syndrom(tm)
[17:34] <apachelogger> blizzz: you cannot
[17:35] <apachelogger> blizzz: you may want to report a mean bug report about it
[17:35] <Quintasan> wat
[17:35] <Quintasan> you can
[17:35] <apachelogger> no
[17:35] <Quintasan> use qdbus to kill it
[17:35] <apachelogger> perhaps that would work
[17:35] <Quintasan> That will work
[17:35] <Quintasan> Since I had a bug that didn't allow me to type in the password
[17:36] <Quintasan> so I logged in in tty and killed the greeter via qdbus
[17:36] <blizzz> Quintasan: qdbus claims i need to set DISPLAY … which value does it want? :0 or something?
[17:36] <Quintasan> DISPLAY=:0
[17:36] <Quintasan> DISPLAY=:0 qdbus blah blah
[17:39] <blizzz> Quintasan: mh, only org.freedesktop.dbus is offfered to me 
[17:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: care to check http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/kdeconnect-kde_0.4.2-0ubuntu1~saucy1.dsc before I upload anything?
[17:40] <Quintasan> blizzz: you should have something like org.kde.kscreenlock_greeter-NUMBER
[17:40] <Quintasan> if you dont have it then you are doing something wrong
[17:40] <shadeslayer> ENOTIME
[17:41] <blizzz> Quintasan: supposedly, but this is the only entry. I have had an external monitor attached, but unplugged it
[17:49] <apachelogger> blizzz: that's a general bug in kwin I think
[17:49] <apachelogger> or xrender, not sure
[17:49] <blizzz> apachelogger: what exactly?
[17:50] <apachelogger> two screens -> suspend -> resume -> windows from detatched screen will not be moved
[17:50] <apachelogger> well
[17:50] <apachelogger> detatch during suspend ^^
[17:50] <apachelogger> as I said, best file a bug and annoy the master of kwin a bit ;)
[17:50] <blizzz> apachelogger: i detached it after waking up
[17:51] <apachelogger> might be specific to the locker... just saying there is a general issue with kwin not being able to detect when stuff has been deteatched
[17:51] <blizzz> apachelogger: i don't want to  open the box of multiple screen setup right now. that's not the issue. getting qdbus work properly would be more interesting.
[17:52] <apachelogger> !sru
[17:53] <apachelogger> blizzz: you don't have to open the box, you are supposed to file a bug :P
[17:53] <blizzz> apachelogger: i cannot file a bug using w3m
[18:01] <apachelogger> well, reboot :P
[18:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have you investigated bookmark importing?
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: briefly... IIRC firefox doesn't use an html file anymore, however it can at the very least import the legacy html file, kbookmarksfoo can export such a file, however since firefox profiles have an arbitrary idea you cannot feed the bookmark into it from the outside
[18:02] <blizzz> apachelogger: could be that there is unsaved stuff
[18:03] <apachelogger> so all signs point to us needing a plugin for bookmarks
[18:03] <apachelogger> ...  I really do not like us using firefox
[18:03] <apachelogger> we should have gone with chromium :S
[18:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have the same deduction after looking at this for the last 30 minutes
[18:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw I think it'll be a 2 part thing, python script to export html then js plugin to import it into firefox
[18:04] <apachelogger> blizzz: #kde
[18:04] <shadeslayer> plus we need something that'll only run when FF is started for the first time
[18:05] <apachelogger> you coudl probably just parse the kbookmark data out of whatever it stores it in via a firefox extension
[18:05] <apachelogger> possibly there even is sucha thing already
[18:05] <blizzz> apachelogger: already there, less helpful
[18:05] <apachelogger> blizzz: well, if you can't get qdbus to list the item then you are screwed :S
[18:06] <apachelogger> also mr. kwin isn't here, he knows how to get rid of the screenlocker though
[18:07] <apachelogger> and agateau is also already afk, he'd know too ^^
[18:07] <blizzz> apachelogger: mr kwin is also neither in kde nor kde-devel atm (if i remember his nick correctly)
[18:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1274626 
[18:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: alternatively, we write a patch to import data like the way the chrome importer does
[18:08] <apachelogger> blizzz: yeah, also not on g+ so really I don't know what to do
[18:09] <apachelogger> the only people I know who know how to unlock the thing are not here
[18:09] <apachelogger> blizzz: no second screen at hand I guess?
[18:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: a patch for what?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for ff
[18:10] <blizzz> apachelogger: sure, but that does not help me
[18:10] <apachelogger> I think we established that the ubuntu folks don't like us patching the firefox
[18:10] <apachelogger> not with not-upstreamable patches anyway, and they are absolutely right
[18:10] <apachelogger> after all, we have pretyt much the same policy
[18:11] <apachelogger> blizzz: why?
[18:11] <apachelogger> blizzz: attach screen, and you should be able to unlock
[18:11] <blizzz> apachelogger: the pw dialog is absolutely not and nowhere displayed. if it just was invisible i still could enter it und hit enter
[18:13] <apachelogger> no you couldn't
[18:13] <apachelogger> to focus the password field you'd actually have to click on it
[18:13] <apachelogger> another lovely bug with that excellent piece of software
[18:14] <blizzz> apachelogger: it's focused by default
[18:14] <blizzz> apachelogger: another bug is, that sometimes the lock screen is not shown, but the desktop as it was before suspedning. entering pw and hitting enter helps in that case
[18:15] <apachelogger> blizzz: I don't think it's focused by default on dual screen
[18:15] <apachelogger> well
[18:15] <apachelogger> let me try something
[18:16] <blizzz> apachelogger: well, this is how it worked in the past. also, when i use the external monitor i turn off my laptop scrreen. it's a nighmare
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: found it http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/migration/content/migration.xul
[18:18] <apachelogger> blizzz: must file many bug reports so martin gets pissed off ;)
[18:18] <apachelogger> anyway, going to try something, brb
[18:19] <blizzz> kk
[18:25] <apachelogger> blizzz: found a way I thin
[18:25] <apachelogger> k
[18:28] <apachelogger> blizzz: export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=`lsof -U | grep tmp/dbus | head -1 | cut -d@ -f2`
[18:28] <apachelogger> qdbus | grep lock
[18:28] <apachelogger> qdbus blabhblabhlockgreet_1231231234 /MainApplication org.kde.KApplication.quit
[18:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I have no idea how that worked for you ever
[18:29] <apachelogger> you don't have access to the same session bus
[18:29] <apachelogger> from a tty
[18:29] <Quintasan> well
[18:29] <Quintasan> I did
[18:29] <apachelogger> pfff
[18:30] <apachelogger> blizzz: if it doesn't work you'll have to try to manually get the address of your dbus session bus socket out of lsof -U
[18:30] <apachelogger> then simply get an export going like this: export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-216OJuItVs
[18:30] <blizzz> apachelogger: you are my hero
[18:30] <apachelogger> after that you should have access to the proper session
[18:30] <blizzz> works like a charm
[18:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh, you are on 13.04 still, arent you?
[18:31] <apachelogger> blizzz: nice
[18:31] <blizzz> apachelogger: thank you a lot
[18:32] <apachelogger> your welcome
[18:32]  * apachelogger heads out for the day
[18:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://files.kde.org/snapshots/ has the new ISO now
[18:43] <shadeslayer> incase you want to point people to it
[18:44] <sgclark> Riddell: last of t4 ready for you. let me know if there are other things I can package
[18:44] <Riddell> sgclark: :)
[18:45] <Riddell> sgclark: see Debian Merges, Bugs for new and updated and upstream watch at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/
[18:46] <sgclark> Some sort of ftp site, not sure I see what needs packaging
[18:47] <shadeslayer> sgclark: you could QA my KTP packages
[18:47] <shadeslayer> fun fun fun
[18:47] <shadeslayer> I don't get a resize option
[18:48] <shadeslayer> in ubiquity
[18:48] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^^
[18:48] <Riddell> sgclark: you see pretty spider background with links at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ ?
[18:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that depends on how much free space you have
[18:49] <sgclark> Riddell: yes, clicked on debian merges and arrived at an ftp site
[18:49] <sgclark> shadeslayer: sure, where would I find it?
[18:49] <shadeslayer>  Riddellhttp://imgur.com/Empb485
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imgur.com/Empb485
[18:50] <shadeslayer> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[18:52] <shadeslayer> sgclark: this is for trusty ofcourse
[18:52] <sgclark> ok
[18:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: or if you think that's still too little http://i.imgur.com/ZadfXoe.png
[18:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm, not sure
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, not sure, Netrunner 13.12 , Kubuntu 13.10, Kubuntu 14.04 all can't resize
[19:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: might want to update the seed with kcm-touchpad 
[19:00] <shadeslayer> instead of synaptiks
[19:01]  * Riddell out
[19:20] <shadeslayer> xnox: any ideas why http://i.imgur.com/ZadfXoe.png doesn't have a resize options
[19:30] <sgclark> shadeslayer: libktpcommoninternalsprivate-dev is already up to date but it says I have unmet dependency. AM I missing a PPA?
[19:38] <jussi> o/
[19:39] <jussi> is anyone else on trusty having issues with panel icons rearranging themselves after restart?
[19:41] <sgclark> not that I have noticed
[19:45] <jussi> my launcher icon keeps moving a few to the right :/
[19:48] <kdeuser56> what command to use to submit a diff to reviewboard?
[19:49] <kdeuser56> i have used diff -u -p, but the diffs of others look different in the webpreview ...
[19:49] <sgclark> I use git diff
[19:50] <kdeuser56> is a parent diff optional?
[19:52] <kdeuser56> sgclark: yeah but it shows the two different directories the two different files are placed in ...
[19:53] <sgclark> git diff filename
[19:53] <sgclark> ?
[19:54] <kdeuser56> sgclark: sorry, i have absolutely no experience with versioning systems like git, etc.
[19:55] <kdeuser56> sgclark: what I did was the following: manually download source of kdelibs
[19:55] <sgclark> kdeuser56: I am not an expert myself :( 
[19:56] <kdeuser56> sgclark: copy the directory, make the changes and then diff the two paths of the two files changed
[19:57] <sgclark> kdeuser56: I am not sure then, I have only worked with git clones
[19:57] <sgclark> sorry
[19:59] <kdeuser56> sgclark: thanks anyway
[20:30]  * ahoneybun is thinking of wiping windows so he can install kubuntu on his ssd
[20:32]  * mamarley is in favor of that idea.
[20:32] <ahoneybun> I think it would be so much faster
[20:33] <mamarley> Linux is *really* fast on an SSD.
[20:33]  * mamarley pats his Intel SSD 520 affectionately on its head.
[20:34] <ahoneybun> I mean I use windows for gaming mostly
[20:37] <ahoneybun> and I have a ps3 now so
[20:37] <mamarley> :(
[20:39] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> sgclark: huh?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> sgclark: pastebin error plz
[20:40]  * mamarley is opposed to Sony's actions with the PS3 on ideological grounds.
[20:40] <ahoneybun> mamarley: just a gaming machine to me
[20:41] <ahoneybun> and I have a vita
[20:41]  * mamarley goes back to playing an open-source game on his Kubuntu box...
[20:42] <sgclark> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6845857/
[20:43] <shadeslayer> sgclark: what does apt-cache policy libktpcommoninternalprivate-dev say
[20:44] <sgclark> shadeslayer: N: Unable to locate package libktpcommoninternalprivate-dev
[20:44] <shadeslayer> missing s :P
[20:44] <shadeslayer> libktpcommoninternalsprivate-dev
[20:45] <sgclark> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6845868/
[20:45] <shadeslayer> you're package isn't new enough :)
[20:46] <sgclark> shadeslayer: right, but I cannot seem to locate the newest, and not being offered it
[20:46] <shadeslayer> not even after adding the ppa and running apt-get update?
[20:47] <sgclark> I added your PPA, is there another, I do not see it in there, 
[20:49] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+sourcepub/3879547/+listing-archive-extra
[20:51] <sgclark> shadeslayer: oops, I only added src, added deb and the updates are now there, thanks!
[20:51] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:52] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/homerun
[21:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: yes 13.04 on mah laptops
[21:12] <genii> Didn't it reach EOL now?
[21:21] <jackyalcine> genii: not yet
[21:23] <genii> Well, I guess they haven't archived the mirrors yet but AFAIK Jan 27 it was official. http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2014/01/28/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-end-of-life-reached-on-january-27-2014/
[21:25] <jackyalcine> D:
[21:25] <jackyalcine> damn 
[21:25] <jackyalcine> welp I'm not on it ;)
[21:28] <genii> This shift to the nine months probably was the "gotcha" there :)
[21:28] <tester56> what do you think: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/115408/ ?
[21:32] <sgclark> shadeslayer: alot of  out-of-date-standards-version, something to be concerned with?
[21:33] <shadeslayer> sgclark: not really, I want to keep delta low with Debian
[21:33] <shadeslayer> sgclark: so that when they bump it, we can merge more easily
[21:33] <sgclark> ok
[21:33] <shadeslayer> and IIRC no major changes between 3.9.4 and 3.9.5
[21:43] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ktp-contact-applet does not appear to be available for trusty?
[21:45] <shadeslayer> sgclark: http://download.kde.org/stable/kde-telepathy/0.7.1/src/ < no ktp-contact-applet?
[21:46] <sgclark> ahh that would be why then :)
[23:55] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion muon 2.1.3
[23:55] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1274761
[23:57] <Riddell> sgclark: there's something needing packaging and testing ↑
[23:58] <sgclark> Riddell: on it