[00:13] Riddell: got that from http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List sorry if wrong [00:16] sgclark: dunno, I queried afiestas [00:16] ok [00:16] hmm, where has kdontchangethehostname gone? [00:16] oh it's in kde-runtime [00:17] always loved that binary name [00:17] lol [00:18] kded last of t3, want me to start t4? [00:18] sgclark: kded uploaded! [00:18] go for it! [00:18] ok :) [00:18] I changed kf5-kded to kded, I don't think there's a name for a namespace [00:19] of course all my decisions are arbitrary and someone else might disagree when they look at it, I expect debian will have lots of opinions, they usually do [00:19] ok [00:20] yay, down to 17 unprocessed e-mails, go me [00:22] hehe I need to go through mine sometime soon [00:46] * Riddell snoozes [02:31] how are you feeling today yofel? [03:11] has anyone built homerun 1.2 for saucy? [03:11] hey mhall119 [03:13] hey ahoneybun [03:14] what day is the meeting for fl loco? [03:15] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-florida/719/detail/ [03:15] this Monday [03:15] thansk [03:22] I'm stuck at this message http://pastie.org/8680765 [03:24] ahoneybun: I'm guessing that last one wasn't for me :) [03:28] yea ;) === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [07:24] good morning [09:07] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/bgguWHK.png is that normal with the oxygen font? [09:08] ewwww [09:10] or maybe I somehow broke font rendering [09:10] now I can't get any decent font going anymore [09:10] * apachelogger sighs [09:11] looks like disabled antialiasing? ^^ [09:22] any chance on getting Homerun 1.2.0 on Saucy? [09:26] avi through ppa https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/homerun?field.series_filter=saucy [09:26] shadeslayer: in case it's not too late, the "circle progress thing" can be done with a KPixmapSequenceWidget http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKPixmapSequenceWidget.html [09:29] soee: thank you [09:42] agateau: nope not too late [09:42] thx [09:42] Quintasan: already uploaded [09:45] yofel: yeah, well, the settings disagreed -.- [09:45] so much madness [09:55] does apport and drkonqi work together on KDE? [09:55] I'm curious only because I'm playing with Unity (for the hell of it) and it's like automatically reporting all of the bugs I had backed up on apport [09:56] Well, it wouldn't make sense for drkonqi to do so, since it's KDE-specific [09:56] * jackyalcine excuses himself [10:00] apachelogger: nope [10:16] jackyalcine: it does in 14.04 [10:17] in addition to being able to file a manual bug with KDE directly drkonqi can send automatic crash data to us [10:18] no point/chance of that hitting backports? [10:19] nope [10:20] Guessing it's one of those KF5 changes? [10:20] * jackyalcine is curious [10:21] https://trello.com/c/6XcuijNW [10:21] * jackyalcine clicks curiously [10:23] * jackyalcine is enlightened [10:23] thanks apachelogger [11:02] shadeslayer: I totally do not understand your comment to bug 1273413 [11:02] bug 1273413 in upower (Ubuntu) "no suspend available without pm-utils" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273413 [11:04] apachelogger: kubuntu-desktop depends on pm-utils [11:05] however, upower does not ... sort of [11:05] it depends on pm-utils | systemd-services [11:05] according to Riddell [11:05] and apt :) [11:06] upower has been patched so that it only uses pm-utils [11:06] hence, upower should depend on pm-utils, systemd-services [11:10] peculiar [11:10] that systemd patchery sure sounds exciting -.- [11:46] I know this might be higher up the food chain, but shouldn't something like 'accountsservice' *not* require/suggest gnome-control-center? [11:46] yes [11:46] I'm asking because I'm removing more GNOME apps and I almost broke my system because this linked to a GNOME app [11:47] but suggests are pretty harmless [11:48] alrighty [11:53] Hiyas all [12:23] jackyalcine: suggests are not installed by default [13:05] Riddell: kde4support ready [13:05] ooh another biggie? [13:10] sgclark: khtml in PPA if you want to review it [13:10] ok [13:10] yeah pretty big, lots of deps [13:14] sgclark: that is a muckle copyright file :) [13:14] Riddell: yeah that is what took the longest hehe [13:14] oh I forgot the symbols file in khtml [13:31] Riddell: Homepage: in control needs to be changed to khtml [13:32] Riddell: debian in copyright needs to be you :) [13:46] haha something to laugh about... petition de depart justin bieber :D loool [13:47] *to [13:48] he's already back in Canada, facing more charges./...think he's looking for badboy street creds [13:49] lol [13:49] wimpy gonna be a rapper :) [13:50] oha... nah not almost clode enough [13:50] no style no flow [13:51] dunno, don't listen tio that stuff , it's just chanting with a beat, to my ears [13:56] in case you listen to justin bieber i would tell you to contact a couch doctor [13:56] :D [13:59] uhm, never listened to bubblegum music, even as a kid ...it's for girls and girlies [13:59] bbl [14:01] BluesKaj, ghostcube: please remain on topic and non-sexist [14:02] Riddell: ok sorry [14:13] hmm, how do make this co-installable? /usr/share/locale/en_US/entry.desktop [14:14] wow looks like nvidia-prime is fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1268771 :) [14:14] Launchpad bug 1268771 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331-updates (Ubuntu) "NVIDIA Prime fails with Linux 3.13" [High,Fix released] [14:14] Riddell: entry_kf5.desktop? [14:15] hmm, would need klocale_kde.cpp patched [14:15] * Riddell puts that down to be a job for later [14:17] I suppose all the langpacks will have the same issue [14:21] hi I deploy LTSP (thin and fat clients as well) in schols, using kde as de, and I have a lot of I/O if compared with xfce or gnome-fallback that are usually used. Would love to have next kde version work well [14:21] anyone here that can help me help you to have kde work fine? :) [14:22] having a kde dev willing to deploy a test ltsp installation (I can help about it) and verify some issues would be great [14:23] markit, perhaps #kde might be more appropriate for your query. [14:23] or #kde-devel [14:24] even [14:26] markit: hmm, that's very good to hear you're using it, I'm afraid I have zero experience with ltsp so I wouldn't know where to start [14:26] markit: it's disk i/o you're seeing? [14:27] Riddell: I measure with iftop, and I see 400MB of transfer, while gnomefallback has much less (2x less) [14:28] if you multiply for 20 students and a 2x1gbi nic, you see that is a real bottleneck [14:28] hmm, network i/o ? [14:28] oh but presumably most of that is the ltsp stuff to show what's on screen [14:28] is disk i/o as well, but don't know how to measure it [14:28] Riddell: ah, no that is FAT client solution [14:29] it uses a read only image and the home to write [14:29] so I see 400MB of writes [14:29] I had to move /var/tmp/kdecache to ~/.cache otherwise it does not work [14:29] ah, lots of cacheing [14:29] and set nfs (home is mounted with nfs) to async (that is risky) because with sync it hangs [14:31] Riddell: even in a single desktop like my laptop that has a slow hd, you see that after login it tales a LOT of time and hd is green still until K menu is responsive [14:31] just with ltsp the I/O optimization is fundamental [14:33] apachelogger: do you know about plasma caching? could that be the issue? [14:33] markit: don't you have a local /var ? [14:33] Riddell: do you mind we exchange email address and be in touch later, where I'm at home and I've my "ltsp test lab"? [14:33] Riddell: fat client are DISKLESS [14:35] markit: can do, I'm jriddell@ubuntu .com [14:35] in any case you have to compare with lxde or xfce or gnomefallback performances, that are far better [14:36] you really should take this to some kde thing [14:36] but yeah, the disk IO would be from cache data [14:36] which is why you'd want a local /var [14:36] apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1112734 [14:36] Error: launchpad bug 1112734 not found [14:36] otherwise it's going to load the entire cache at least once [14:36] and only the plasma theme cache is like 100mib [14:36] here some numbers [14:36] apachelogger: I invited markit here, I thought someone might know how to do deploy KDE with LTSP here [14:37] KDE might know how to deploy a plasma workspace with KDE [14:37] from boot to ldm login (ltsp login) 66MB [14:37] kinda implied by the name ;) [14:37] kde login with nfs async, firsrt login 600MB [14:38] sorry kde login with nfs sync, firsrt login 600MB [14:38] kde login with nfs Async, firsrt login 140MB instead, but async is less secure [14:38] next logins, async, 100MB [14:38] in comparison [14:39] gnome I° login (fallback) 42MB [14:39] gnome next login (fallback) 35MB [14:39] Unity I° login 45MB [14:39] both with async or sync, is the same for them [14:40] so if you have 20 clients booting, you have 140MB vs 42, is a 3x [14:40] apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/553499 < what's up with that [14:40] Launchpad bug 553499 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "date and time kcm offers autosync of time?" [Low,Confirmed] [14:40] apachelogger: have you reviewed my MR's yet [14:40] MR of? [14:40] upgrade manager [14:41] I doubt that stuff ends up in my inbox [14:42] as for the bug... that is somewhat improved [14:42] it's still insanity to offer the option tho [14:43] apachelogger: might be worth it to update bug report it and add it to trello if required for 14.04 [14:43] not requird [14:43] not even very important [14:44] just there so that everyone has something to look at and doesn't file 30000 bug reports for the same non-issue [14:45] shadeslayer: so am I getting MR urls or do I have to search for them? [14:45] https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubuntu-release-upgrader/kubuntu/+merge/203595] [14:46] apachelogger: so is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/820491released yet [14:46] Launchpad bug 820491 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "KMail missing from search and launch" [Low,Fix committed] [14:46] shadeslayer: what's the diff at line 8? [14:47] apachelogger: bah, != vs not None [14:47] revert requested [14:47] keep clutter out of the reviews plz [14:48] ok [14:48] shadeslayer: whats with the error handling that was removed? [14:48] apachelogger: error handling is present [14:48] just moved to releaseNotesLoaded [14:48] 19 + self.dialogue.releaseNotesBrowser.setUrl(QUrl(uri)) [14:48] 20 + self.dialogue.releaseNotesBrowser.loadFinished.connect(self.releaseNotesLoaded) [14:48] you want to connect first [14:49] mm right ofcourse [14:49] apachelogger: comment on MR, I'll fix on Monday [14:52] if(!res) [14:52] qWarning() << "Couldn't find the package:" << it->name(); [14:52] Q_ASSERT(res); [14:52] m_toUpdate += res; [14:52] :O [14:52] wait what [14:54] someone was drunk and wrote silly code [14:55] ::workspace-bugs:: [1267977] Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1267977 (by Michael Marley) [14:55] ::workspace-bugs:: [1272438] kwin 100% of cpu, second session @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1272438 (by DimanNe) [14:57] apachelogger: still waiting for a response on 820491 [14:57] it says fix commited? [14:57] yes, so was it released? [14:57] it would say fix released then? :P [15:13] images still oversized [15:14] Riddell: I am going to give kpat the boot [15:37] shadeslayer: new neon5 image seems to work although it doesn't seem to have konsole on it which is a shame [15:37] thank goodness for that autumn wallpaper plugin, main thing to demo :) [15:40] it's wobblywindows advertisment all over again [15:40] :S [15:41] wibbly wobbly timey wimey leafy [15:48] shadeslayer: as in homerun? [15:48] geh [15:55] ::workspace-bugs:: [1249557] kwin crashes on login @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1249557 (by Scott Moore) [15:58] Good afternoon. [16:01] why do we have both kdeconnect and kdeconnect-kde packages [16:01] and which do I want? [16:03] Quintasan, shadeslayer: are you guys doing the same thing? [16:04] oh, one comes from debian [16:04] Riddell: Geh [16:04] so [16:04] kdeconnect comes from debian? [16:04] seems so [16:05] that should just get a transitional package then [16:05] and kdeconnect-kde source can go [16:05] Seems like a good idea [16:05] Quintasan: able to do that? [16:05] Should be able to really soon [16:08] now what can I do with this kdeconnect thing? I was good stuff to demo at fosdem [16:17] Quintasan: yes [16:18] apachelogger: why do we need to get rid of ubufox? [16:23] shadeslayer: pulls in aptdaemon [16:23] for example [16:23] apachelogger: well, it's useful for restart notifications [16:24] restart for what when where? [16:24] when firefox is updated [16:24] we have kubuntu-notification-helper for that [16:25] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6844570/ these test pass local but fail in pbuilder, have tried several things without success [16:25] does that work with firefox? [16:29] "Compared values are not the same" sounds like something fundmental sgclark [16:29] sgclark: give me what you've got and I'll take a look === greyback is now known as greyback|food [16:30] Riddell: ok thank you [16:30] shadeslayer: i get a notice if firefox is updated to restart it [16:30] so i think this is working [16:31] i think i havent got ubufox installed would have to check [16:32] shadeslayer: if not that'd be a bug ;) [16:32] heh [16:32] Riddell: hmm you can pair youre android with connect and see notifications by adding the kdeconnect widget [16:33] you can remote control dragon player [16:33] Riddell: frameworkintegration ready [16:33] but you cant see the battery state so far, perhaps you can but not in my 4.3 android s3 [16:36] ghostcube: Monitoring battery needs a patch in solid [16:36] ahh ok === kfunk_ is now known as kfunk [16:37] Riddell: if play something (movie or music) and ask someone to call you, it's going to stop the playback [16:37] you can share clipboard contents with your device [16:37] also you can transfer files using that [16:37] yep, that works nice :) [16:39] a vlc remote fundtion would be cool :D but its limited to dragonplayer so far [16:40] Nope [16:40] It's limited to anything that supports MPRIS or sth like that [16:40] ah ok.. [16:40] It stops SMPlayer iirc if you get a call [16:43] it pauses a movie if you get a call though [16:43] which is neat [16:43] I accidentally restarted the movie after picking up the call xSD [16:43] xD [16:44] :D [16:45] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/DxtwS4c.png [16:45] good enough? [16:45] uhhhh i have to change my comment [16:45] vlc works in 0.4.2 [16:45] :o [16:48] yep works fine... holds the film and then after call starts it again [16:51] oh Quintasan it shows the battery state in 0.4.2 here now after reboot. in the task bar app [16:52] hmm [16:52] maybe there is no need for solid then === greyback|food is now known as greyback [16:54] Quintasan: you might want to do the SRU [16:54] Quintasan: http://picpaste.de/pics/Kubuntu-140nmNKx.1391100861.png [16:54] shadeslayer: what sru? [16:54] Quintasan: kdeconnect [16:55] shadeslayer: are you going to do transitional package in trusty then? [16:56] on Monday [16:57] shadeslayer: technically it isn't google's chromium I think [16:57] it is however Mozilla Firefox [16:57] they was very explicit about us calling it properly in order for us to use the official logo [16:58] I see [16:58] "Kubuntu includes Mozilla's Firefox" ? [16:58] I'd make it [16:58] Mozilla Foundation's web browser - Firefox [16:59] just to annoy them [16:59] :P [16:59] :) [16:59] ehh how do we SRU this [17:00] Quintasan: I'd just update the kdeconnect-kde package [17:00] Yeah [17:02] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/+merge/204045 [17:02] wait [17:02] do we have to SRU that? [17:03] saucy has 0.4.1, does the new version break it? [17:03] Quintasan: no no, just update kdeconnect-kde with 0.4.2 [17:03] should work without any packaging changes [17:05] shadeslayer: The question is [17:05] do we HAVE to do this [17:05] Quintasan: I'd say yes, users get a annoying "Outdated version" message on their devices [17:05] shadeslayer: not Mozilla's Firefox but Mozilla Firefox [17:05] that's a brand [17:05] if they have 0.4.1 on the desktop and 0.4.2 on their phone [17:05] like Microsoft Internet Explorer [17:06] because Internet Explorer is too generic a term [17:06] done [17:11] hmm [17:11] apachelogger: "* Enable searching for missing plugins from Ubuntu software catalog" [17:11] any ideas what that is? [17:11] do I target saucy-proposed in changelog first? [17:11] Quintasan: yep [17:11] or well [17:12] doesn't matter [17:12] it'll land in proposed first anyway [17:12] shadeslayer: you go to prn.com which wants flash, you have no flash, firefox asks for flash, ubufox uses aptdaemon to use and install the flashes [17:12] gotcha [17:13] ^ in practise for some reason that doesn't even work on kubuntu, like disregarding the qaptworker/aptdaemon conflict it simply did not do anything [17:14] apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1274605 [17:14] Launchpad bug 1274605 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Please demote xul-ext-ubufox from Firefox Recommends to Suggests" [Undecided,New] [17:14] not sure who to poke now [17:15] ha! vueling wants me to fly to BNC [17:15] BNC? [17:15] only 50 euroses in feburary [17:16] only 40 eurores in march [17:16] sweet baby jesus [17:17] flying from vienna to barcelona apparenlty is cheaper than hopping on a train from my place to vienna [17:17] ofcourse [17:17] shadeslayer: ah yes, typo [17:17] trains to/from Barcelona are crazy expensive [17:18] ah, you're coming to BCN? [17:18] trains. [17:18] I'll ask the weed shop next to the office to stack up [17:18] gross [17:18] weed is gross. [17:18] real men take proper medication [17:20] >medication [17:20] Which part of that is medication? [17:21] Quintasan: all parts of mediciation are medication, except for the parts that are poison, then again the line there is blurry, let's just call all poison also medication [17:21] such philosophical [17:21] * Quintasan shakes his head [17:21] poison, the medication for life [17:22] how did we get to this topic anyway [17:22] ah yes, BCN [17:22] shadeslayer: possibly I may visit the office at some point to tell everyone just howwwwwww gross beards are [17:22] spoilers: it's a lot :O [17:23] Riddell: kapidox ready. extra-license lintian but I think they are part of package [17:23] d_ed: ^^ [17:23] d_ed: since you started the beard trend [17:23] I did no such thing! [17:23] I just won. [17:23] well your beard won [17:33] d_ed: Was the thing you won a bet? [17:33] pride. [17:33] and itchiness. [17:33] mostly itchiness. [17:33] updated kde, suspended laptop, now the screenlock does not show the password field. can i disable the screenlock via cli? tried to kill the kscreenlock_greeter, but with no effect [17:33] I might have phrased my question wrongly [17:34] d_ed: What did you win as in was that a bet or competition or what? :P [17:34] d_ed: itchiness, oh god [17:34] itchy beard syndrom(tm) [17:34] blizzz: you cannot [17:35] blizzz: you may want to report a mean bug report about it [17:35] wat [17:35] you can [17:35] no [17:35] use qdbus to kill it [17:35] perhaps that would work [17:35] That will work [17:35] Since I had a bug that didn't allow me to type in the password [17:36] so I logged in in tty and killed the greeter via qdbus [17:36] Quintasan: qdbus claims i need to set DISPLAY … which value does it want? :0 or something? [17:36] DISPLAY=:0 [17:36] DISPLAY=:0 qdbus blah blah [17:39] Quintasan: mh, only org.freedesktop.dbus is offfered to me [17:39] shadeslayer: care to check http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/kdeconnect-kde_0.4.2-0ubuntu1~saucy1.dsc before I upload anything? [17:40] blizzz: you should have something like org.kde.kscreenlock_greeter-NUMBER [17:40] if you dont have it then you are doing something wrong [17:40] ENOTIME [17:41] Quintasan: supposedly, but this is the only entry. I have had an external monitor attached, but unplugged it [17:49] blizzz: that's a general bug in kwin I think [17:49] or xrender, not sure [17:49] apachelogger: what exactly? [17:50] two screens -> suspend -> resume -> windows from detatched screen will not be moved [17:50] well [17:50] detatch during suspend ^^ [17:50] as I said, best file a bug and annoy the master of kwin a bit ;) [17:50] apachelogger: i detached it after waking up [17:51] might be specific to the locker... just saying there is a general issue with kwin not being able to detect when stuff has been deteatched [17:51] apachelogger: i don't want to open the box of multiple screen setup right now. that's not the issue. getting qdbus work properly would be more interesting. [17:52] !sru [17:52] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [17:53] blizzz: you don't have to open the box, you are supposed to file a bug :P [17:53] apachelogger: i cannot file a bug using w3m [18:01] well, reboot :P [18:01] apachelogger: have you investigated bookmark importing? [18:02] shadeslayer: briefly... IIRC firefox doesn't use an html file anymore, however it can at the very least import the legacy html file, kbookmarksfoo can export such a file, however since firefox profiles have an arbitrary idea you cannot feed the bookmark into it from the outside [18:02] apachelogger: could be that there is unsaved stuff [18:03] so all signs point to us needing a plugin for bookmarks [18:03] ... I really do not like us using firefox [18:03] we should have gone with chromium :S [18:03] apachelogger: I have the same deduction after looking at this for the last 30 minutes [18:04] apachelogger: fwiw I think it'll be a 2 part thing, python script to export html then js plugin to import it into firefox [18:04] blizzz: #kde [18:04] plus we need something that'll only run when FF is started for the first time [18:05] you coudl probably just parse the kbookmark data out of whatever it stores it in via a firefox extension [18:05] possibly there even is sucha thing already [18:05] apachelogger: already there, less helpful [18:05] blizzz: well, if you can't get qdbus to list the item then you are screwed :S [18:06] also mr. kwin isn't here, he knows how to get rid of the screenlocker though [18:07]