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pittiGood morning06:36
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seb128good morning desktopers!09:02
Laneymorning09:04
Laneyit's snowing here!09:04
seb128Laney, hey! oh, nice, not here :-(09:05
Laneydon't think it'll last long09:06
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darkxstmeh, high 30C's again here, I want snow !09:07
Laney:P09:08
Laneydo you get snow even in winter?09:08
darkxstLaney, in the mountains yes, but its a 4.5 hr drive away09:27
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Sweetsharkseb128: belated good morning!11:16
seb128Sweetshark, good morning! libreoffice seems happy, well done ;-)11:16
Sweetsharkand a good one it is indeed as a look at -proposed confirms ;)11:17
Sweetsharkseb128: ;) when is that expected to move to main?11:17
seb128Sweetshark, to the release pocket you mean I guess?11:17
Sweetsharkseb128: yeah.11:18
seb128Sweetshark, when the poppler transition is done, Laney is testing a build fix for calligra, hopefully that's enough be green11:18
Sweetsharkseb128: upstream will release in 42 minutes. Thats why Im asking ;)11:18
seb128haha11:18
Laneyya, uploaded gdcm already which wasn't done yet11:19
seb128I doubt we are going to be there before that11:19
seb128Laney, thanks, I somewhat overlooked that one it seems11:19
Laneyno worries11:19
Sweetsharkseb128: is there a way to copy the binaries to a ppa from -proposed? (yeah, sounds wrong. just asking ;) )11:21
Laneyyes, use the copy-package tool from lp:ubuntu-archive-tools11:22
seb128what Laney said11:22
Laneywith --include-binaries and the right combination of other flags11:22
SweetsharkLaney: thx11:28
seb128sil2100, that's what I call efficiency/good service, thanks for giving me a setting silo ;-)11:32
seb128Laney, btw you are next, I landed the new system-update UI because it was overdue and the click guys want to build more on it, now I'm landing the new osk options (those guys have been nagging as well), once that's done I'm doing a round with the schemas move11:33
Laneyseb128: okay11:33
Laneythe telephony guys approved that one btw11:33
seb128great11:33
seb128did you fix the issue they had with picking updates the other day?11:34
Laneyyeah11:34
seb128great11:34
sil2100seb128: np ;) Trying to browse the landings frequently so we can get things spinning11:34
Laneychanged_properties was empty in the PropertiesChanged signal11:34
seb128sil2100, good job ;-)11:34
Laneybut invalidated was okay, so I just made it use that11:34
seb128k11:34
* Laney looks suspiciously at AS though11:35
seb128if you think it's a bug there, maybe just open one for the record11:35
Laneyah, it's deliberate11:36
Laneyyou might not be able to read the property11:36
Laneyso don't send it over the bus11:36
seb128k11:37
seb128hum, I think I'm going to go for some exercice now rather start on something new, so I don't get stucked wanting to finish something and have to rush before the setting meeting then11:39
seb128be back in ~1h11:39
Sweetsharkseb128: heh, from now Im only building in proposed. I get armhf and powerpc binaries from that.11:45
Sweetsharkseb128: hmm, actually I cant use copy-package it seems: It would copy armhf and powerpc packages too and that would make the target ppa explode sizewise. And -a does not what I expected it to do.11:48
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Laneybah12:51
Laneyautopilot isn't very smart12:51
Laneyif you tell it to close the toolbar when the keyboard is open it clicks on it and types some stuff12:52
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seb128:-(12:58
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seb128Laney, can we just buy a beer to pitti to get your "emit PropertiesChanged" landed in dbusmock so we can enable the tests directly? ;-)13:43
pittiheh, this time Laney could actually do that at FOSDEM :)13:45
seb128pitti, hey! indeed ;-)13:46
pitti(note that you shouldn't block on such stuff - your tests can always change existing methods from the templates13:46
pittibut if you have a bug/patch/branch/etc, I'm happy to look13:46
seb128pitti, https://gitorious.org/python-dbusmock/python-dbusmock/merge_requests/1/diffs13:46
seb128pitti, it's needed for some tests in https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/autopilot-datetime/+merge/20395413:47
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pittiwow, why didn't I get a mail baout that13:55
Sweetsharkseb128, Laney: hmm, I just tried ./copy-packages (without the binaries), but that doesnt work as ppas need to be for the release pocket. Isnt that a fundamental issue?13:59
Sweetshark(for -proposed => ppa copies)13:59
seb128Sweetshark, the upload target when you upload to trusty is "trusty" no?14:00
seb128e.g in the .changes14:00
seb128the redirection to proposed happen server side14:00
Sweetsharkseb128: yep, so it happens to all packages in -proposed serverside. thus packages can be copied from -proposed to ppa, right?14:01
seb128I would think so, but I didn't try14:02
seb128is there a real usecase for those copies?14:02
Sweetshark(./copy-packages rejects that with "PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket.")14:02
seb128things usually migrate to release in a timelined fashion14:02
seb128you can also add trusty-proposed to your ppa sources14:02
Sweetsharkseb128: nah, its just a special case because we did bump the last versions to the ppa too (or rather, most failed to build).14:03
Sweetsharkseb128: Ill just upload directly to the ppa.14:03
seb128why do you need it in the ppa at all if it's in the archive?14:03
Sweetsharkseb128: consistency mostly. and its easier for endusers to install from ppa than from -proposed, where they get lots of other (possibly broken) stuff along with it.14:06
pittiLaney: is PropertiesChanged something that timedated itself does, or is that just for easier testing?14:07
pittiLaney: ah, nevermind, that's a standard d-bus thingy14:15
mlankhorstI'm learning way more about autotools than I ever wanted to know :/14:31
pittiseb128, Laney: branch merged, 0.10.1 released upstream and uploaded to D/U14:35
seb128pitti, thanks!14:35
Laneypitti: thanks!14:59
seb128Laney, charles, tedg, kenvandine, Wellark, attente, settings meeting starting soon (for those who want to join/have some update to share)14:59
kenvandineseb128, nothing from me, but give me a shout if you need me15:00
Laneyneed to find my headphones, sec15:00
tedgseb128, In the same place as kenvandine15:01
tedgOh, kenvandine, your triplet API apparently got released.15:01
seb128kenvandine, tedg: ok, no worry15:01
kenvandinetedg, woot!15:02
kenvandinetedg, good because i've proposed my branch that needs it :)15:02
seb128Laney, attente: waiting for you guys15:02
Laneyoh no15:03
LaneyI can't join on my phone any m ore15:03
seb128Laney, shrug :p15:03
Laneyis it that security change? please invite iain@orangesquash.org.uk15:03
seb128Laney, done15:04
* tedg doesn't like squash15:04
seb128Laney, the hangout was restricted to Canonical apparently15:04
Laneyyeah :/15:04
mlankhorstno Laney allowed!15:31
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dpmattente, how's the dynamic language switch in system settings coming along? You mentioned you hit an issue a couple of days ago15:51
attentedpm, it's kind of on hold atm...15:56
attentedpm, apps don't seem to have the permissions needed to query accountsservice for anything15:57
seb128ogra_, that list of package in universe, could you convert it to a sources list rather than binary list?15:59
ogra_seb128, will do in a followup15:59
seb128ogra_, thanks15:59
seb128that list is crazy btw15:59
dpmattente, what do you think the way to go should be?15:59
ogra_(note that i dont expect us to have them all in main by release day actually, but i want to get the process going)15:59
seb128ogra_, some of those can't be in main (like some of the codecs stuff)16:00
mdeslaurogra_: nice try, but you're not getting all the multimedia codecs back in main :)16:00
seb128but yeah, agreed, we need to get started16:00
seb128mdeslaur, "back"? did we ever got them here?16:00
ogra_mdeslaur, heh, tell rsalveti and jhodapp :P16:00
mdeslaurseb128: we used to have libav, and I just managed to kick it out of main for trusty16:00
seb128k16:00
mdeslaura lot of the others were never in main16:01
seb128I know we had a big no on ffmpeg&co by then16:01
LaneyThey ought to be working on moving that plugin to -good (and upstream, as promised)16:01
seb128Laney, +116:01
rsalvetioh god, this discussion again lol16:01
mdeslaurrsalveti: what plugin is it? (or rather, what codec?)16:01
rsalvetiI don't think we need libav itself, we do need some plugins that helps gst to decode video container at least16:03
attentedpm, i'm not sure tbh16:03
rsalvetiin the end we'll only support hw decoders and a few more formats coming from -good16:03
mdeslaurrsalveti: if there's something in particular in -bad that is needed, we'll need to move it16:04
attentedpm, there is also some question about if the performance is bad doing it this way16:04
rsalvetimdeslaur: we do need a few things from it16:04
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rsalvetimdeslaur: the hybris plugin can be moved to another package16:05
rsalvetijust need to check what else we needed from it16:05
mdeslaurrsalveti: that's fine, as long as we don't pull in libav16:05
rsalvetiare we sure that -bad is the one pulling libav?16:05
mdeslauryeah, installing bad in a chroot tries to pull in libav & co16:05
rsalvetiright, libavcodec5416:06
rsalvetimdeslaur: that's fine, we'll clean that up before 14.0416:06
mdeslaurrsalveti: cool16:06
seb128Laney, hum16:07
mdeslaurrsalveti: ogra_'s gigantic list put me in panic mode :)16:07
seb128Laney, can you mp a bump of the transition version from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/trunk/revision/1616:07
ogra_mdeslaur, hey, so it fulfilled its purpose ;)16:08
Laneyyes I said that was needed16:08
mdeslaurlol16:08
Laneythought you would do it as and when, but ok16:08
seb128Laney, well, with the new CI train I need a mp I can list16:08
seb128Laney, 0.1+14.04.20140130 is the version to use16:08
seb128Laney, thanks16:08
seb128Laney, thanks16:24
seb128ups16:24
Laneyyw16:24
Laneyomg16:24
Laneyyou didn't mean to thank me?!?!?!16:24
seb128lol16:24
seb128no, I forgot I already wrote a "thanks"16:24
Laney:P16:25
seb128but in fact it was before, so it's all fine ;-)16:25
seb128Laney, your datetime autopilot seems fine from a code ready, I'm testing it next (you can uncomment the skip since pitti didn't merge/upload what you need)16:25
Laneyoh yeah, let me try that16:26
seb128shrug16:26
seb128Laney, http://162.213.34.102/job/landing-001-1-build/15/console16:26
Laneyffs16:27
seb128Text conflict in debian/ubuntu-system-settings.install16:27
Laneywhich branch?16:27
Laneyoh it says16:27
Laneylet me merge16:27
seb128thanks16:27
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pittiseb128, Laney: sorry, what did I not merge/upload?16:30
pittidbusmock 0.10.1 with the notification fix is in trusty, FTR16:30
Laneyyou did16:30
seb128pitti, sorry, thinko/typo, was meant to be "did"16:30
LaneyI think s/uncomment/remove/ s/didn't/did/16:30
pittiah16:30
* seb128 should stop typing while thinking to other things he's reviewing16:31
seb128Laney,16:37
seb128Ran 6 tests in 65.748s16:37
seb128OK16:37
seb128;-)16:37
seb128though 10s by test, autopilot is not the most efficient thing16:37
Laneyyeah ...16:43
Laneypushed a new commit enabling them16:43
seb128Laney, let me know when you fixed the .install conflicts, so I can trigger a new jenkins build16:43
* seb128 is spamming Laney with requests today :p16:43
Laneyoh yeah, did that16:43
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seb128Laney, ok, landing building in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-001/+packages16:53
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Laneyace16:53
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seb128Laney, hum18:03
seb128Laney, you brightness panel doesn't have a checkbox for the autovalue parameter here18:04
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Laneyseb128: where are you testing?20:32
seb128Laney, n4 image 15320:33
seb128why?20:33
Laneybecause i'd expect it to be hidden on the desktop20:33
seb128it's hidden20:33
Laneysee the visible: ... in the qml? can you console.log them?20:33
seb128did I thinko/typo my comment on the bug again?20:33
Laneydunno, I didn't see any email20:34
seb128oh20:34
seb128I commented on the mr20:34
seb128with a gdbus output20:34
LaneyI just saw what you said here20:34
LaneyI see20:34
Laneysooooooooooo some of those things are known limitations20:36
Laneyi'll see the rest tomorrow20:36
seb128yeah, I was going to say, it's a bit late to start debugging tonight20:36
Laneyprobably won't be online much as I'll be travelling, going down early to visit bluefin then to bruxelles20:37
seb128I'm just having the laptop next to the TV :-)20:37
seb128don't bother20:37
seb128let's have a look together on monday20:37
LaneyI'll have the phone with me so can try it anyway20:38
seb128k20:38
Laneybut yeah, we'll see20:38
seb128what are the known limitations btw?20:38
Laneylike you can't read the 'state' at the start so it shows 020:38
Laneybattery panel has the same thing20:38
Laneysame with getting changes afaik20:38
seb128hum20:38
seb128the indicator has the correct status on start20:39
seb128so must possible20:39
seb128or are those limitations from the new powerd interface?20:39
Laneydoes that use the QDBusActionGroup thingy?20:39
seb128I doubt it20:39
LaneyI think it comes from there20:40
seb128the indicator are g* on the backends20:40
Laneylarsu did that in the first place, iirc it was known back then20:40
seb128k20:40
seb128let's discuss that next week20:40
seb128no hurry to land those changes20:41
Laneyalright20:41
seb128Laney, enjoy fosdem (in case we don't see you online tomorrow)20:41
* larsu considers reading scrollback20:42
Laneythanks! I should get on for a bit from the train if that holds up20:42
seb128k20:43
larsuLaney: when will you be there?20:43
seb128see you on sunday night most likely otherwise20:43
seb128larsu, no need to bother reading scrollback, just some topics for next week ;-)20:44
larsuseb128: thanks :)20:44
seb128larsu, enjoy fosdem as well btw! (when do you go there?)20:44
Laneylarsu: 18:-520:44
Laney0520:44
larsuseb128: thanks! I'll be there at 9:30pm or so20:44
Laneyit's the same train as didrocks20:44
larsuI'll give you guys a call once I'm there20:45
Laneyhopefully he can guide me to the place :P20:45
larsuhaha20:45
seb128larsu, good, I guess we are just going to hang at the hotel's bar on sunday, easiest way to welcome those who are checking in20:45
Laneywe don't get back until about 9pm20:45
larsuseb128: awesome!20:45
larsu9pm = beer o'clock20:46
seb128indeed! ;-)20:46
Laneynaaaaaaah, you can definitely take/get beer on the train :-)20:46
Laneythat is going to be the geekiest train ever20:46
seb128that's a pre-beer, right? ;-)20:47
Laneyfirst eurostar out of brussels after fosdem finishes20:47
seb128hehe20:47
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* seb128 hits robert_ancell with a need-to-test-your-changes stick21:49
robert_ancellseb128, :P21:49
seb128robert_ancell, dude21:49
seb128robert_ancell, the privacy panel doesn't load under g-c-c and the whoopsie tab is missing under u-c-c21:49
robert_ancellseb128, which one is the whoopsie panel?21:50
seb128robert_ancell, didrocks is right we need autopilot tests, we shouldn't able uploads were panel don't even open21:50
seb128robert_ancell, it's the tab in privacy that let you enable/disable reports to e.u.c21:51
seb128robert_ancell, it's part of activity-log-manager21:51
robert_ancellmkay21:53
seb128robert_ancell, I wonder if there is a need to dual build in that package, g-c-c doesn't want it for pretty sure21:54
robert_ancellwell, it's mostly just temporary21:54
seb128well, it doesn't work21:55
seb128so rather than fixing it, maybe we should just gnome->unity21:55
* seb128 tries to find what's wrong is the current change21:55
robert_ancellweird with the whoopsie change21:55
seb128it might be orthogonal21:56
seb128I'm trying a rebuild21:56
seb128maybe something else changed and the configure check turned off21:57
TheMuso/c/c21:57
seb128robert_ancell, ok, found the issue22:03
seb128robert_ancell, well, I found why it's not working in g-c-c22:05
seb128+ccpaneldir = $(libdir)/gnome-control-center-1/panels22:05
seb128wrong dirname22:05
seb128the gnome- prefix shouldn't be there22:05
robert_ancelldamn22:05
seb128now ldd -r says the lib doesn't resolve some symbols so I get some missing -l flags22:06
seb128guess22:06
seb128 ldd -r /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/unity-control-center-1/panels/libactivity-log-manager.so22:06
seb128undefined symbol: whoopsie_preferences_call_get_identifier_sync(/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gnome-control-center-1/panels/libactivity-log-manager.so)22:06
seb128etc22:06
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seb128robert_ancell, still there?22:38
robert_ancellseb128, yep, it builds for me22:38
seb128it builds22:38
seb128but it doesn't link properly22:38
seb128https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/activity-log-manager/unity-control-center2/+merge/20343122:38
seb128216-libactivity_log_manager_la_LIBADD = \22:38
seb128217- $(SHARED_LIBS) \22:38
seb128218- $(CCPANEL_LIBS)22:38
seb128is the issue22:38
seb128you didn't add that back in the separate makefiles22:38
robert_ancellI'm building from the packaging branch22:39
seb128I got it to have no error with ldd -r by doing22:39
seb128+$(UNITY_CCPANEL_LIBS) $(LIBWHOOPSIEPREFS_LIBS)22:39
robert_ancellI'll upload that fix now22:39
seb128which one?22:39
robert_ancellseb128, the ccpaneldir one22:39
seb128if you add  $(LIBWHOOPSIEPREFS_LIBS) to src/*-control-center/Makefile.am22:39
robert_ancellseb128, was there a bug?22:40
seb128robert_ancell, we just received bug #127472822:40
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1274728 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "System Settings window reopens on close [XPS 13 Haswell]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127472822:40
seb128robert_ancell, well, you need to add $(LIBWHOOPSIEPREFS_LIBS) (or $(SHARED_LIBS)) to libactivity_log_manager_la_LIBADD22:41
seb128robert_ancell, not sure why you dropped it22:41
seb128that resolve the symbol resolving issue22:41
seb128but that's not enough to resolve the missing whoopsie tab22:41
seb128there might be another similar flag that got dropped in the makefiles refactoring?22:41
robert_ancellI'll have a look22:42
robert_ancelldon't you need to sleep sometime?22:42
seb128robert_ancell, yeah, that's why I was dumping my debugging find in fact :p22:44
seb128so you can take it from there22:45
seb128robert_ancell, I think the patch you add drop those as well22:45
seb128-if HAVE_WHOOPSIE22:45
seb128-libactivity_log_manager_la_CFLAGS += \22:45
seb128--DGNOMECC_UI_DIR=\""$(gnomeccuidir)"\"22:45
seb128-endif22:45
robert_ancellno, they're there22:45
seb128or not22:45
seb128right22:45
seb128well, the LIBADD is missing but that's not enough22:45
seb128feel free to debug it ;-)22:46
seb128robert_ancell, if yo do an upload can you consider bug #126312322:46
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1263123 in activity-log-manager (Ubuntu) ""Security & Privacy" > "Files & Applications" refers mysteriously to "This Operating System" and "functionality"" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126312322:46
robert_ancellseb128, is that an unrelated change?22:46
seb128robert_ancell, it's a string change bug from mpt, I've it in my backlog for some time22:46
seb128yes22:46
robert_ancellsure22:47
seb128thanks22:47
seb128on that note, 'night22:47
seb128robert_ancell, when are you going to be in London btw?22:47
* robert_ancell looks it up...22:47
robert_ancell10:45 Heathrow22:48
robert_ancell(Sunday)22:48
seb128k22:48
seb128I'm going to be there at like 8pm, I might see you in the evening if jetlag didn't get you ;-)22:49
seb128on that note, time to call it a day22:49
seb128night everyone22:49
seb128robert_ancell, see you on sunday, safe travel!22:49
robert_ancellyou too, bye22:50
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