[01:48] ubottu, lag [01:49] ETOOMUCHLAG [01:49] bot seems to be down [01:52] You have lag, I don't have lag [01:52] there we go. [01:52] only 4 min lag. [01:53] hah === LjL-Hybrid is now known as LjL-Touch === rww is now known as rwd === rwd is now known as rww === h00k is now known as CaptainHook === CaptainHook is now known as CaptainH00k === CaptainH00k is now known as h00k [09:43] whee it worked [13:08] * ikonia touches LjL-Touch [13:08] * LjL-Touch provides haptic feedback [15:00] @btlogin [15:00] ;P [15:01] the bot is broked [15:01] oh woe [15:02] wfm [15:02] how to fix [15:03] she is not responding to me [15:03] do @login [15:03] o [15:03] @login [15:03] The operation succeeded. [15:03] @btlogin [15:03] now btlogin [15:03] * phunyguy headdesks [15:04] I must've disconnected or something [15:04] the bot had so downtime recently [15:06] ahh === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [17:19] k1l: "we won't help you, and the channel owners and ops are free to run their channels as they please" [17:21] hm? [17:21] banned for no reason asking in #ubuntu [17:22] correct answer imo would be: /msg the ops ; /msg cs access #channel list , look for +o [17:22] sending to #freenode just creates more nonsense [17:23] Happy Year of the Horse, btw [17:23] well, imho its kind of the service from freenode to manage those issues in #freenode [17:23] ^ [17:23] or more: it should be [17:23] but they would not actually interfere [17:23] IMO, it depends how much noise it is causing in the channel. [17:23] it's not my business whether or not staff actully decide to deal with / have a look at the issue [17:23] so to get out of #ubuntu and elsewhere, possibly [17:23] to solve it, what I said [17:24] well, to solve it, #freenode is the place where someone should be guided through the whole /msg cs access thing etc [17:24] NEIGH!!111 [17:24] not Ubuntu. that's about as offtopic as installing Windows [17:24] [17:25] or just PM them and tell them [17:25] is this the guy asking for help with ubuntu but he says he's banned ? [17:25] he said he's using ubuntu, so surly we can help him ? [17:25] ikonia, banned somewehre else [17:25] what [17:25] ikonia: they were just pestering us in #freenode about being banned from ##physics. [17:25] but he's using ubuntu and wants help with ubuntu ? or something else ? [17:25] not to do with ubuntu that I can see [17:25] ahhh so he doesn't want help with ubuntu [17:25] ok [17:26] k1l: that won't work [17:26] yes, didnt whois first if that is a webchat [17:26] okay ;) [17:27] Pici: why won't it? i thought the ident encoded the IP [17:27] * Pici pokes LjL-Touch's brain [17:27] no, really [17:27] it's the IP in hex ;( [17:27] but again: i dont know of any "i am banned in #other-channel, help me" issue that was resolved with one line so far. so stopng the offtopic and sending them to #freenode is the right way, imho [17:28] LjL-Touch: there are excepts for webchats [17:28] LjL-Touch: Do your bots remove the +e when something matching that user is quieted? it hasn't in the past. [17:28] OH RIGHT [17:28] and if you kick a webchat the floodbots remove that except for that ip [17:28] well i can't be expected to know the subtleties related to how some bots that i wrote operate [17:28] ;) [17:28] but i would like the bots to remove the except when someone is muted. yes [17:29] exempt* [17:29] k1l, they do, but the mute needs to be by nickname [17:29] because most of our mutes used to be like that, so that's what thye look for [17:29] Instead of making chanegs to the bots, we probably should update the procedure now that IP bans sort of work on gateway users now [17:30] hmm, i use chanserv.py which automatically mutes the ident [17:32] /cs mute -n $user [17:33] hey [17:33] I think a terrible mistake happened [17:33] How can we help you? [17:34] it seems the op ikonia may have overstepped its boundaries before [17:34] I was asking a proper question about Ubuntu before [17:34] I didn't see anything like that happening [17:34] It looked like you were trying to get unbanned in a channel that has nothing to do with #ubuntu [17:35] Why do all these channels have the exact same people [17:35] because we all maintain the same channels [17:36] or did you think #ubuntu had one op? [17:36] I was going to give a witty answer but the joke would have been lost [17:36] Pici: i do suspect at this point, that whole part of the floodbots could be done away with [17:36] I mean I go to #freenode and Pici and Myrtti are there [17:37] as am I [17:37] I go to #ubuntu and ... Pici and Myrtti are there [17:37] :) [17:37] ChallengerSS: #freenode is free for people to join [17:37] ChallengerSS: I like to help people in #freenode. [17:37] Now I go to #ubuntu-ops and... guess who is here [17:37] and so am I [17:37] ChallengerSS: it's not surprising that #ubuntu ops are in ... #ubuntu-ops [17:37] given they are #ubuntu ops, i don't find it very surprising they are in #ubuntu-ops [17:37] ChallengerSS: neither is it surprising that #ubuntu ops are in #freenode [17:38] Especially Myrtti, who is Freenode staff [17:38] it's not really too illogical [17:38] maybe that's the problem [17:38] freenode is generally assumed to BE illogical ;( [17:38] LjL-Touch: but I'm a Finn. I excel at logic and pragmatism. [17:38] Can I be honest [17:38] most of the time anyway [17:38] * LjL-Touch refrains from commenting [17:38] Would be nice [17:38] I love you too, LjL-Touch [17:38] ChallengerSS: i'm pretty sure you can [17:39] Can we stay on topic here and help ChallengerSS [17:39] IdleOne: i'm pretty sure we can [17:39] I didn't like it when in #freenode someone mentioned the ##Physics op [17:39] It alerted Metaleer [17:39] :( [17:39] okay...? [17:40] ChallengerSS: can you sum up what the actually issue is with you and the #ubuntu channels? [17:41] #freenode is not run by the #ubuntu ops. so if there is a problem please talk to the freenode staff [17:41] and ##physics is not run by Ubuntu ops either. [17:41] and neither is #ubuntu [17:41] wait [17:42] sorry i am confused, im trying to get used to cars driving on the right again [17:43] Are any of you friendly with the ##physics operators? [17:43] : - ) [17:44] not me [17:44] We can't help you get unbanned there, speak to the ops of that channel [17:44] ChallengerSS: I am sorry, but I do not understand what being friends with ops in other namespaces have to do with us [17:44] `_` [17:44] from experience as a Ubuntu op I can tell you one thing - that you need to personally talk to an op instead of asking someone else to be your attorney [17:44] I already have [17:44] And none of them listen to me [17:44] :( [17:44] there you go then. [17:44] wait and sit it out [17:44] They are allowed to not listen. [17:45] I also have a right to be in their channel [17:45] whatever gave you that idea? [17:45] ChallengerSS: no. you have no right [17:45] yeah that's not true at all. [17:46] FREE SPINACH [17:46] There is a reason channels have operators. The operators get to dictate who is allowed in the channel. Not the end user. [17:46] again, it is beyond the scope of this channel. [17:47] more, it is beyond the scope of *any* #ubuntu-* channel [17:47] ^ [17:47] Why does everyone say the same [17:47] it is even beyond the microscope and the telescope [17:47] It's like all you people cover the asses of the physics operator [17:47] ChallengerSS: because they are speaking the truth. [17:48] make your own channel about conspiracy theories perhaps [17:49] ChallengerSS: anyway, there is nothing for you here. Your problem is elsewhere, so I suggest you go elsewhere and solve it. [17:49] that worked! [17:49] ChallengerSS: that is common sense, that not ops from other channels will reveal a ban for you. talk to the operators. if they dont think you should get back in its your problem. think about your actions before you are banned [17:49] another satisfied customer [17:50] <3 [17:51] did you know that the word "satisfy" comes from a compound latin verb basically meaning "having had enough" [17:51] I did not. [17:52] satis+fio [17:52] like in satiate [17:53] I can tell you that I was satisfied with how the situation was handled by some of the ops [17:53] I would appreciate less satisfaction next time [17:53] that's satisfying [17:55] "some"? [17:55] I said what I meant [17:55] and you meant what you said. [17:55] phunyguy he's being annoyed at my jocularity about the event [17:55] I know. :) [17:56] but that's fair since i'm being jocular about his annoyance [17:56] not about it [17:56] during [17:56] oh wait so you mean i should only poke fun at and mock the person while they aren't listening [17:57] yeah i'm sorry, for a moment i forgot that's the ubuntu policy [17:57] no, we shouldn't mock anyone [17:58] except the voiced in -offtopic of course [17:58] wow that train is like... on Mars, by now? [17:58] Saturn maybe [17:58] That's because people enjoy it. [17:59] oh god that red thing means frenocha is highlighting me [17:59] wish me luck [17:59] * phunyguy giggles [17:59] oh [17:59] no it's just this idiotic window client putting highlights in the wrong places ;( [20:09] 17:36:27 < LjL-Touch> Pici: i do suspect at this point, that whole part of the floodbots could be done away with [20:09] don't say it [20:09] LjL-Touch: the IP-ban-working-properly thing would only work if we switched to IP bans and stopped using hostname bans [20:10] i guess [20:10] so there's still some use for them, assuming we take as true that they're useful in the first place [20:10] (that was the snark you expect, I assume) [20:10] mhm [21:00] In #ubuntu+1, rww said: !volunteer is contribute [21:00] :| [21:00] * rww hits ubottu with a spoon [21:00] @login [21:00] The operation succeeded. [21:00] !volunteer is contribute [21:00] I'll remember that, rww [21:01] hey if i pay someone a tribute but i don't really mean it, do i contribute [21:02] depends, do you have a convergent UI for your tribute [21:02] is the tribute in a cryptocurrency? [21:02] if i look at it with my eye crossed [21:02] Pici: lolcoin [21:02] wait no [21:03] we are aiming for a currency not worth anything, right? [21:03] euro [21:05] Dunning-Krugerrands FOR THE UNIVERSE [21:33] It's always a bad sign when I understand what's happening in here even less than -offtopic. [21:34] which part did you miss? [21:35] I blame Corey. [21:35] Right now I'm reading the wiki entry for Dunning-Krugerrand Effect [21:35] Dunning-Kruger [21:35] next one is Krugerrand [21:35] err, Dunning-Kruger effect and another article on Krugerrands [21:35] right [21:35] innit great? [21:35] I blame Corey for teaching me that [21:36] it's the most delicious and apt portmanteau [21:38] I just closed both tabs. Without clicking any of the links. I emerge victorious over the tempations of wiki! [21:39] I salute you [21:39] Yay! [21:40] and now I'm reading scrollback and narrowly avoided spewing my drink all over my laptop upon reading LjL-Touch's "FREE SPINACH" remark... [21:40] IKR! [21:41] twas funneh [21:41] tonyyarusso: it's what an activist Popeye would say [21:58] @mark #ubuntu jeb_bush now instulting me in pm [21:58] The operation succeeded. [23:06] Good night :)