[01:48] <bazhang> ubottu, lag
[01:49] <knome> ETOOMUCHLAG
[01:49] <bazhang> bot seems to be down
[01:52] <knome> there we go.
[01:52] <knome> only 4 min lag.
[01:53] <bazhang> hah
[09:43] <Myrtti> whee it worked
[13:08]  * ikonia touches LjL-Touch 
[13:08]  * LjL-Touch provides haptic feedback
[15:00] <phunyguy> @btlogin
[15:00] <LjL-Touch> ;P
[15:01] <phunyguy> the bot is broked
[15:01] <LjL-Touch> oh woe
[15:02] <Pici> wfm
[15:02] <phunyguy> how to fix
[15:03] <phunyguy> she is not responding to me
[15:03] <IdleOne>  do @login
[15:03] <phunyguy> o
[15:03] <phunyguy> @login
[15:03] <phunyguy> @btlogin
[15:03] <IdleOne> now btlogin
[15:03]  * phunyguy headdesks
[15:04] <phunyguy> I must've disconnected or something
[15:04] <jussi> the bot had so downtime recently
[15:06] <phunyguy> ahh
[17:19] <Myrtti> k1l: "we won't help you, and the channel owners and ops are free to run their channels as they please"
[17:21] <Pici> hm?
[17:21] <bazhang> banned for no reason asking in #ubuntu
[17:22] <bazhang> correct answer imo would be: /msg the ops ; /msg cs access #channel list , look for +o
[17:22] <bazhang> sending to #freenode just creates more nonsense
[17:23] <bazhang> Happy Year of the Horse, btw
[17:23] <k1l> well, imho its kind of the service from freenode to manage those issues in #freenode
[17:23] <LjL-Touch> ^
[17:23] <k1l> or more: it should be
[17:23] <bazhang> but they would not actually interfere
[17:23] <Pici> IMO, it depends how much noise it is causing in the channel.
[17:23] <LjL-Touch> it's not my business whether or not staff actully decide to deal with / have a look at the issue
[17:23] <bazhang> so to get out of #ubuntu and elsewhere, possibly
[17:23] <bazhang> to solve it, what I said
[17:24] <LjL-Touch> well, to solve it, #freenode is the place where someone should be guided through the whole /msg cs access thing etc
[17:24] <bazhang> NEIGH!!111
[17:24] <LjL-Touch> not Ubuntu. that's about as offtopic as installing Windows
[17:24] <bazhang> </frau bluchner>
[17:25] <bazhang> or just PM them and tell them
[17:25] <ikonia> is this the guy asking for help with ubuntu but he says he's banned ?
[17:25] <ikonia> he said he's using ubuntu, so surly we can help him ?
[17:25] <bazhang> ikonia, banned somewehre else
[17:25] <LjL-Touch> what
[17:25] <Pici> ikonia: they were just pestering us in #freenode about being banned from ##physics.
[17:25] <ikonia> but he's using ubuntu and wants help with ubuntu ? or something else ?
[17:25] <bazhang> not to do with ubuntu that I can see
[17:25] <ikonia> ahhh so he doesn't want help with ubuntu
[17:25] <ikonia> ok
[17:26] <Pici> k1l: that won't work
[17:26] <k1l> yes, didnt whois first if that is a webchat
[17:26] <Pici> okay ;)
[17:27] <LjL-Touch> Pici: why won't it? i thought the ident encoded the IP
[17:27]  * Pici pokes LjL-Touch's brain
[17:27] <LjL-Touch> no, really
[17:27] <LjL-Touch> it's the IP in hex ;(
[17:27] <k1l> but again: i dont know of any "i am banned in #other-channel, help me" issue that was resolved with one line so far. so stopng the offtopic and sending them to #freenode is the right way, imho
[17:28] <k1l> LjL-Touch: there are excepts for webchats
[17:28] <Pici> LjL-Touch: Do your bots remove the +e when something matching that user is quieted? it hasn't in the past.
[17:28] <LjL-Touch> OH RIGHT
[17:28] <k1l> and if you kick a webchat the floodbots remove that except for that ip
[17:28] <LjL-Touch> well i can't be expected to know the subtleties related to how some bots that i wrote operate
[17:28] <Pici> ;)
[17:28] <k1l> but i would like the bots to remove the except when someone is muted. yes
[17:29] <LjL-Touch> exempt*
[17:29] <LjL-Touch> k1l, they do, but the mute needs to be by nickname
[17:29] <LjL-Touch> because most of our mutes used to be like that, so that's what thye look for
[17:29] <Pici> Instead of making chanegs to the bots, we probably should update the procedure now that IP bans sort of work on gateway users now
[17:30] <k1l> hmm, i use chanserv.py which automatically mutes the ident
[17:32] <IdleOne> /cs mute -n $user
[17:33] <ChallengerSS> hey
[17:33] <ChallengerSS> I think a terrible mistake happened
[17:33] <Pici> How can we help you?
[17:34] <ChallengerSS> it seems the op ikonia may have overstepped its boundaries before
[17:34] <ChallengerSS> I was asking a proper question about Ubuntu before
[17:34] <Myrtti> I didn't see anything like that happening
[17:34] <Pici> It looked like you were trying to get unbanned in a channel that has nothing to do with #ubuntu
[17:35] <ChallengerSS> Why do all these channels have the exact same people
[17:35] <IdleOne> because we all maintain the same channels
[17:36] <IdleOne> or did you think #ubuntu had one op?
[17:36] <Myrtti> I was going to give a witty answer but the joke would have been lost
[17:36] <LjL-Touch> Pici: i do suspect at this point, that whole part of the floodbots could be done away with
[17:36] <ChallengerSS> I mean I go to #freenode and Pici and Myrtti are there
[17:37] <phunyguy> as am I
[17:37] <ChallengerSS> I go to #ubuntu and ... Pici  and Myrtti are there
[17:37] <phunyguy> :)
[17:37] <LjL-Touch> ChallengerSS: #freenode is free for people to join
[17:37] <Pici> ChallengerSS: I like to help people in #freenode.
[17:37] <ChallengerSS> Now I go to #ubuntu-ops and... guess who is here
[17:37] <hggdh> and so am I
[17:37] <Myrtti> ChallengerSS: it's not surprising that #ubuntu ops are in  ... #ubuntu-ops
[17:37] <LjL-Touch> given they are #ubuntu ops, i don't find it very surprising they are in #ubuntu-ops
[17:37] <Myrtti> ChallengerSS: neither is it surprising that #ubuntu ops are in #freenode
[17:38] <phunyguy> Especially Myrtti, who is Freenode staff
[17:38] <Myrtti> it's not really too illogical
[17:38] <LjL-Touch> maybe that's the problem
[17:38] <LjL-Touch> freenode is generally assumed to BE illogical ;(
[17:38] <Myrtti> LjL-Touch: but I'm a Finn. I excel at logic and pragmatism.
[17:38] <ChallengerSS> Can I be honest
[17:38] <Myrtti> most of the time anyway
[17:38]  * LjL-Touch refrains from commenting
[17:38] <IdleOne> Would be nice
[17:38] <Myrtti> I love you too, LjL-Touch
[17:38] <LjL-Touch> ChallengerSS: i'm pretty sure you can
[17:39] <IdleOne> Can we stay on topic here and help ChallengerSS
[17:39] <LjL-Touch> IdleOne: i'm pretty sure we can
[17:39] <ChallengerSS> I didn't like it when in #freenode someone mentioned the ##Physics op
[17:39] <ChallengerSS> It alerted Metaleer
[17:39] <ChallengerSS> :(
[17:39] <LjL-Touch> okay...?
[17:40] <k1l> ChallengerSS: can you sum up what the actually issue is with you and the #ubuntu channels?
[17:41] <k1l> #freenode is not run by the #ubuntu ops. so if there is a problem please talk to the freenode staff
[17:41] <Pici> and ##physics is not run by Ubuntu ops either.
[17:41] <LjL-Touch> and neither is #ubuntu
[17:41] <LjL-Touch> wait
[17:42] <LjL-Touch> sorry i am confused, im trying to get used to cars driving on the right again
[17:43] <ChallengerSS> Are any of you friendly with the ##physics operators?
[17:43] <ChallengerSS> : - )
[17:44] <LjL-Touch> not me
[17:44] <IdleOne> We can't help you get unbanned there, speak to the ops of that channel
[17:44] <hggdh> ChallengerSS: I am sorry, but I do not understand what being friends with ops in other namespaces have to do with us
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> `_`
[17:44] <Myrtti> from experience as a Ubuntu op I can tell you one thing - that you need to personally talk to an op instead of asking someone else to be your attorney
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> I already have
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> And none of them listen to me
[17:44] <ChallengerSS> :(
[17:44] <Myrtti> there you go then.
[17:44] <Myrtti> wait and sit it out
[17:44] <phunyguy> They are allowed to not listen.
[17:45] <ChallengerSS> I also have a right to be in their channel
[17:45] <Myrtti> whatever gave you that idea?
[17:45] <k1l> ChallengerSS: no. you have no right
[17:45] <phunyguy> yeah that's not true at all.
[17:46] <LjL-Touch> FREE SPINACH
[17:46] <phunyguy> There is a reason channels have operators.  The operators get to dictate who is allowed in the channel.  Not the end user.
[17:46] <phunyguy> again, it is beyond the scope of this channel.
[17:47] <hggdh> more, it is beyond the scope of *any* #ubuntu-* channel
[17:47] <phunyguy> ^
[17:47] <ChallengerSS> Why does everyone say the same
[17:47] <LjL-Touch> it is even beyond the microscope and the telescope
[17:47] <ChallengerSS> It's like all you people cover the asses of the physics operator
[17:47] <phunyguy> ChallengerSS: because they are speaking the truth.
[17:48] <LjL-Touch> make your own channel about conspiracy theories perhaps
[17:49] <hggdh> ChallengerSS: anyway, there is nothing for you here. Your problem is elsewhere, so I suggest you go elsewhere and solve it.
[17:49] <LjL-Touch> that worked!
[17:49] <k1l> ChallengerSS: that is common sense, that not ops from other channels will reveal a ban for you. talk to the operators. if they dont think you should get back in its your problem. think about your actions before you are banned
[17:49] <Myrtti> another satisfied customer
[17:50] <phunyguy> <3
[17:51] <LjL-Touch> did you know that the word "satisfy" comes from a compound latin verb basically meaning "having had enough"
[17:51] <phunyguy> I did not.
[17:52] <LjL-Touch> satis+fio
[17:52] <LjL-Touch> like in satiate
[17:53] <IdleOne> I can tell you that I was satisfied with how the situation was handled by some of the ops
[17:53] <IdleOne> I would appreciate less satisfaction next time
[17:53] <LjL-Touch> that's satisfying
[17:55] <phunyguy> "some"?
[17:55] <IdleOne> I said what I meant
[17:55] <phunyguy> and you meant what you said.
[17:55] <LjL-Touch> phunyguy he's being annoyed at my jocularity about the event
[17:55] <phunyguy> I know. :)
[17:56] <LjL-Touch> but that's fair since i'm being jocular about his annoyance
[17:56] <IdleOne> not about it
[17:56] <IdleOne> during
[17:56] <LjL-Touch> oh wait so you mean i should only poke fun at and mock the person while they aren't listening
[17:57] <LjL-Touch> yeah i'm sorry, for a moment i forgot that's the ubuntu policy
[17:57] <IdleOne> no, we shouldn't mock anyone
[17:58] <IdleOne> except the voiced in -offtopic of course
[17:58] <LjL-Touch> wow that train is like... on Mars, by now?
[17:58] <LjL-Touch> Saturn maybe
[17:58] <phunyguy> That's because people enjoy it.
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> oh god that red thing means frenocha is highlighting me
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> wish me luck
[17:59]  * phunyguy giggles
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> oh
[17:59] <LjL-Touch> no it's just this idiotic window client putting highlights in the wrong places ;(
[20:09] <rww> 17:36:27 < LjL-Touch> Pici: i do suspect at this point, that whole part of the floodbots could be done away with
[20:09] <LjL-Touch> don't say it
[20:09] <rww> LjL-Touch: the IP-ban-working-properly thing would only work if we switched to IP bans and stopped using hostname bans
[20:10] <LjL-Touch> i guess
[20:10] <rww> so there's still some use for them, assuming we take as true that they're useful in the first place
[20:10] <rww> (that was the snark you expect, I assume)
[20:10] <LjL-Touch> mhm
[21:00] <Pici> :|
[21:00]  * rww hits ubottu with a spoon
[21:00] <rww> @login
[21:00] <rww> !volunteer is <alias> contribute
[21:01] <LjL-Touch> hey if i pay someone a tribute but i don't really mean it, do i contribute
[21:02] <rww> depends, do you have a convergent UI for your tribute
[21:02] <Pici> is the tribute in a cryptocurrency?
[21:02] <LjL-Touch> if i look at it with my eye crossed
[21:02] <LjL-Touch> Pici: lolcoin
[21:02] <LjL-Touch> wait no
[21:03] <LjL-Touch> we are aiming for a currency not worth anything, right?
[21:03] <LjL-Touch> euro
[21:05] <Myrtti> Dunning-Krugerrands FOR THE UNIVERSE
[21:33] <tonyyarusso> It's always a bad sign when I understand what's happening in here even less than -offtopic.
[21:34] <Myrtti> which part did you miss?
[21:35] <Myrtti> I blame Corey.
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> Right now I'm reading the wiki entry for Dunning-Krugerrand Effect
[21:35] <Myrtti> Dunning-Kruger
[21:35] <Myrtti> next one is Krugerrand
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> err, Dunning-Kruger effect and another article on Krugerrands
[21:35] <tonyyarusso> right
[21:35] <Myrtti> innit great?
[21:35] <Myrtti> I blame Corey for teaching me that
[21:36] <Myrtti> it's the most delicious and apt portmanteau
[21:38] <tonyyarusso> I just closed both tabs.  Without clicking any of the links.  I emerge victorious over the tempations of wiki!
[21:39] <Myrtti> I salute you
[21:39] <Corey> Yay!
[21:40] <tonyyarusso> and now I'm reading scrollback and narrowly avoided spewing my drink all over my laptop upon reading LjL-Touch's "FREE SPINACH" remark...
[21:40] <Myrtti> IKR!
[21:41] <Myrtti> twas funneh
[21:41] <LjL-Touch> tonyyarusso: it's what an activist Popeye would say
[21:58] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu jeb_bush now instulting me in pm
[23:06] <genii> Good night :)