=== Saviq_ is now known as Saviq === duflu_ is now known as duflu [06:31] Mirv: ping, can you let me know when you're online please, I have a couple of questions re: the qt5.2 && autopilot issue [07:15] veebers: I've been here for 2h already, ask away [07:15] Mirv: Hmm, I've been having connectivity issues today :-\ [07:16] Mirv: Re: the Qt 5.2 bug from yesterday. First question: How would I get autopilot-qt trunk re-built into that ppa? I found an issue with a recent change in trunk on the devicse [07:16] devices* [07:16] I think that backing them out will either fix the issue or at least get us another step closer [07:16] veebers: autopilot-qt is already rebuilt in that PPA [07:17] and is automatically rebuilt whenever lp:autopilot-qt changges [07:17] Mirv: Sorry, I meant "rebuilt into it after I've merged my change" [07:17] the "~77" in the version number indicates the bzr version [07:17] Mirv: ah cool, so once I merge this change it'll get in? [07:17] right [07:18] veebers: yes, although it's "daily" ie triggered once a day, but I can (or anyone in ~canonical-qt5-edgers) also trigger it manually at https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+recipe/daily-qt52-autopilot-qt [07:26] Mirv: Once this MR is merged and built into the ppa, would you be able to run your tests again? (I'm EOD here unfortunately) So that we can have more details tomorrow? [07:26] err, this MR is: https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot-qt/backout-latest-change/+merge/203880 [07:30] veebers: yes, keeping it in a tab and once merged I'll launch a rebuild [07:31] thanks for working on it! [07:31] Mirv: nw, I'm hoping this change should have us sorted. [07:32] Mirv: Thanks for taking care of that, hopefully i'll have a goodnews email from you tomorrow :-) [07:32] Right, I'm off for the night. o/ [07:34] Mirv: oh I forgot, if that branch doesn't merge itself, you may have to hit-up CI (sorry to put this on your shoulders, auto-merge was going to be removed at some stage, not sure if it has or not) :-\ [07:34] Mirv: Ugh, I spoke to soon, already merged :-) Right it seems I really need to EOD then [07:35] ok :) [08:23] Saviq: maybe add those little more steps you had to do in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1274289 ? [08:23] Ubuntu bug 1274329 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1274289 /usr/bin/unity8:11:g_shell_quote:upstart_app_launch_start_application:TaskController::start:Application::respawn:Application::setState" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:23] tsdgeos, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1274329/comments/2 [08:23] Ubuntu bug 1274329 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/unity8:11:g_shell_quote:upstart_app_launch_start_application:TaskController::start:Application::respawn:Application::setState" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:24] somehow i didn't get that e-mail ^_^ [08:24] tsdgeos, it's a new bug that the other's a duplicate of [08:24] tsdgeos, I created that from errors.u.c [08:25] wonder why it didn't retrace well, though === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti [08:25] ah [08:26] * tsdgeos hates testGenericScopeView, each time you add a new test it breaks for some unknown weird reason :( [08:27] :/ [08:31] oh [08:31] Google's selling Moto to Lenovo [08:32] or, sold already [08:33] https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl=dvNGXcwM6Di8mNMAt-C-70tYiRfrM&authuser=0&topic=tc&siidp=e20b3d5289f2842606b2b078d76dfee0fc76 [08:33] yeah [08:34] yesterday's news :D [08:34] lenovo's got too much money [08:34] bought servers from ibm and phones from google [08:38] tsdgeos, if they do with both what they did with the ThinkPads... [08:38] they'd have used their money well ;) [08:46] Saviq: think so? i've been told by some ex-thinkpad users that quality went down but not price [08:47] tsdgeos, oh well I meant well for Lenovo [08:47] ok :D [08:47] ;) [09:11] didrocks, hey, there seems to be something wrong with unity8 publishing - ports don't have any of the new releases http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6842730/ :/ [09:14] Saviq: wait a little bit more, there has been an upgrade on the publisher machine [09:14] the cache was empty and other minor issues, which is catching up [09:15] didrocks, ok, bad timing, then [09:16] Saviq: well, the whole archive was affected since yesterday [09:16] should we be able to run tests under xvfb-run? [09:16] so not only you :) [09:16] xvfb-run make testGenericScopeView [09:16] fails [09:17] i guess not :/ [09:22] mzanetti, one for you https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/lazyimage-crop/+merge/203897 [09:22] * mzanetti is drowning in mps :D [09:22] will do them today [09:23] just waiting for ci to pass again [09:23] mzanetti, might be a long wait :/ [09:24] really? [09:25] mzanetti, we let https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8.test_nested_mir/+merge/203088/comments/474588 through, which had two actual failures [09:26] but now it seems even worse http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-trusty/2393/testReport/junit/unity8.shell.tests.test_hud/TestHud/test_hide_hud_dragging_Desktop_Nexus_4_/ [09:27] hmpf [09:27] I'm worried there's a new ap release that changes the private bits [09:28] are we using them in our tests? [09:28] hmm 20140123, not that new [09:28] mzanetti, yeah, we have some helpers for dragging and such [09:29] hmm... I don't remember the self.touch._device.drag() to require the "_device" part when I last used it [09:29] so yeah... that would confirm your suspicion [09:30] otoh it passes locally [09:30] and the last autopilot release is from 0123 [09:30] so we'd know already [09:35] uhoh [09:36] unity8.shell.tests.test_system_integration.SystemIntegrationTests.test_networkmanager_integration(Desktop Nexus 4) failed in CI ?¿ [09:36] is that a new test or? [09:36] * tsdgeos watches the videos [09:36] video is 1s long [09:36] :D [09:37] /var/local/autopilot/autopilot.log: 09:04:53.139 DEBUG __init__:296 - Unity loaded and ready. [09:37] /var/local/autopilot/autopilot.log: Not authorized. [09:37] not authorized? [09:38] knowing what outputed that text would be amazing :D [09:39] can't find it in unity8 nor unity-mir [09:40] ah [09:40] /var/local/autopilot/autopilot.log: CalledProcessError: Command 'pkcheck --action-id org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.enable-disable-network --process 8838 [09:40] /var/local/autopilot/autopilot.log: ' returned non-zero exit status 1 [09:40] Saviq, what is this "contained" for OptionSelector? (wasn't ValueSelector already deprecated btw?) [09:40] or [09:40] /home/ubuntu/.xsession-errors: init: unity8 main process (8838) killed by TERM signal [09:40] i guess this is the bad one [09:41] tsdgeos, actually no, you've got mail [09:41] seb128, no idea TBH [09:42] Saviq: ah [09:42] Saviq, k [09:42] ok :/ [09:46] Saviq: have we told the ci guys? fginther is in deep sleep mode, no? [09:46] tsdgeos, shouldn't be, he's in London this week I think [09:46] ah [09:49] tsdgeos, I'm awake [09:52] tsdgeos, Saviq, what's up? [09:52] fginther: you've got a mail from mterry [09:55] tsdgeos, thanks, looking [10:02] Saviq: Do you know what is "icon aspect ratio"? That term just showed up in the future dash spec in the new mascot section, so I had to immediately ask Katie to well define it :( [10:02] sil2100, you at the office? [10:03] karni, we have an aspect ration for art already, that might be it, or maybe they've added aspect for mascot as well? [10:03] Saviq: yes, for the mascot [10:03] I asked to specify the mascot further. [10:04] Saviq: I don't mean JSON. I mean what it means to be in "icon aspect ratio" :) [10:04] Maybe she just meant 1.0 [10:04] karni, no, it's actually different [10:04] So it was a good call to ask her for clarification. [10:06] karni, it's 8x7.5 GU for the icons [10:06] Thank you! [10:24] sil2100, done? === _salem is now known as salem_ [10:31] mhr3: yes [10:44] Saviq, what does 12 ÷ 38 mean exactly? any value between 12 and 38? [10:44] mhr3, yes [10:44] Saviq, greyback would tell you that you use incorrect operators :P [10:45] damn straight [10:45] mhr3, |[12, 38]|, that better? ;P [10:45] <12, 38> [10:45] ;) [10:45] some would write <12, 38> [10:49] (12, 38) here [10:52] Saviq: i don't think https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1249255 is the bug i fixed the other day, see the video [10:52] Ubuntu bug 1249255 in Unity 8 "click apps in Home scope disappear on flaky network connections" [Critical,Triaged] [10:53] that video says scope bug to me [10:53] tsdgeos, yeah [10:53] tsdgeos, I saw it yesterday again, too [11:58] childrenrect is not affected by visibility of children? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:01] Cimi: I'm quite sure it is. when you make a child invisible, it still takes up space [12:01] you need to size the component down, for instance. which, I think, is a QML shortcoming [12:01] karni, indeed [12:01] Mirv: ping [12:01] karni, I need to calculate by hand [12:01] invisible and gone values of visibility, like on Android, would be useful [12:01] :( [12:08] tsdgeos: spong [12:08] Mirv: did you distro-patch https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,76374 ? [12:08] sil2100, yey, i see the merger works, it still runs the tests and everything, right? [12:10] omg, someone wrote combo button in a spec! [12:10] :D [12:10] tsdgeos: yes [12:10] Mirv: you may want to replace it with https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,76937 that seems what will be actually merged upstream [12:11] Mirv: or wait for 5.2.1 and then just drop mine [12:11] since it seems the second will end up in 5.2.1 [12:12] fginther, thanks for the update [12:13] mhr3: yes, at least it should ;p [12:14] karni, well, it really depends, when you anchor something to an invisible item, is your anchor supposed to stop working? [12:14] karni, if you use any of the positioners, they will actually ignore invisible (and 0-width/height) items [12:14] Saviq: That I don't know, I was only talking of visibility. [12:14] Saviq: will they ignore invisible items of non 0-size? [12:14] karni, yes [12:14] karni, yeah, but "takes up space" is a vague term [12:14] Cimi: FYI ↑ [12:15] Saviq: I shouldn't have generalized. [12:15] karni, in 5.2 we'll get more automagic positioners like HBox, VBox [12:16] karni, so when we have that, you can use less and less anchors [12:16] Saviq: unrelated -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6843465/ [12:16] Saviq: great :) [12:16] karni, it's just that outside of those positioners, there's no automagic layouting, so "gone" would have undefined behaviors, really [12:17] Saviq: yes, that's why Android has something like "anchor to parent when the anchor target missing" :) [12:17] That would be lovely. [12:17] so when you make an item "gone" (invisible and not taking space), the other anchored component would then span the parent, for instance. [12:18] karni, so: anchor.left: foo.visible ? foo.left : parent.left ;) [12:18] Saviq: Does that mascot fix make sense to you? that 4x size of mascot was "wyssane z palca" :D [12:18] sil2100, awesome, thx [12:18] Saviq: heheheh, right ;) [12:18] karni, yeah, quite arbitrary - Crop is needed, of course [12:18] Saviq: at the same time, full image source is mem consuming [12:18] karni, but the *4 shouldn't be needed [12:19] but better than this totally blurish image [12:19] karni, try with Math.max(width, height) [12:19] Saviq: that'll still blur. in this case (the screenshot), width == height == 8GU [12:19] blur == boo :( [12:20] karni, yeah, thing is that blur is a bug in UbuntuShape, basically [12:20] :O [12:20] tsdgeos: it seems to work well enough as is however, nothing seriously different? I'll rather wait until 5.2.1 at least initially, enough stuff to do everywhere anyhow [12:20] w00t. that's unrelated to the Image component? [12:20] arrrgh [12:20] karni, please check if you get the same without the Shape [12:20] ok [12:20] but, I'll note it up anyhow that the patch needs to go [12:21] Mirv: sure, it's an equivalent fix, but if you don't drop it after 5.2.1 weird things may happen [12:21] karni, aaactually https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1271158 [12:21] Ubuntu bug 1271158 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Application Lens Icons are blurry, compared with home screen" [Undecided,In progress] [12:22] tsdgeos, we don't have ↑ yet in our qt do we? [12:22] Saviq: i think not [12:23] * Saviq would like to get it to not have to work around it... but then do we care about 5.0 enough still... [12:24] Mirv, would you accept a backported patch for 5.0 still? [12:24] Mirv, or do we not touch 5.0 packages any more? [12:24] Saviq: just read the bug reports. whoaa [12:25] Saviq: *any* idea if we'll get that tsdgeos fix before mid Feb in ubuntu image? [12:26] karni, if we switch to Qt 5.2, yes, if we don't - maybe - that's what my question above is about [12:26] sorry, didn't notice [12:28] Saviq: honestly i don't even remember if i was too late for 5.2.1 or not [12:28] * tsdgeos checks [12:29] tsdgeos, says "stable" [12:29] Saviq: yeah but stable may be 5.2.1 or not depending on when it got merged :D [12:29] tsdgeos, 5.2.1 is "release" already? [12:29] it is now [12:29] but not sure if it was when that got merged [12:30] nope [12:30] 5.2.2 only ^_^ [12:30] so we'd still need to distropatch it [12:37] https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8.previews_audioPlayer/+merge/203387 [12:37] ready for review now [12:37] who knows my commits are 1 hour behind? [12:39] Saviq: sure, I could prepare it but according to normal test plan all AP tests should be run on device with that patch added and I really don't have time for that at the moment. but yes I could get the patch to the packaging branch and prepare package in PPA, for validation. [12:39] Saviq: so in the preview image list, what will be my input in "sources"? a js array? a qt model? [12:39] mhr3: that non-dconf-dash-pages -- the env var should list scope *names* concatenated by ; symbol, right? [12:39] Saviq: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtdeclarative-opensource-src_5.0.2 + lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src_5.0.2 [12:39] tsdgeos, array [12:39] karni, right [12:40] mhr3: tnx [12:40] ok [12:40] karni, ie UNITY_SCOPES_LIST=scope-A;scope-onlinemusic [12:40] mhr3: :)) [12:40] Saviq: I think that while we prepare everything for 5.2 we should also keep 5.0.2 good, so that it works as a panic button backup plan if we don't get 5.2 functional enough [12:40] Mirv, yeah, ok, I'll backport the patch, then [12:40] \o/ [12:41] Mirv, we'll need it for 5.2 as well [12:41] Saviq: if I can help in any way, please let me know [12:41] karni, no need, it's a simple thing to do [12:41] :) [12:43] karni, but still, Math.max(width, height) for both sourceSize.width and .height [12:43] ack [12:43] Saviq: tsdgeos: first real Unity8 AP results bug #1274484 [12:43] bug 1274484 in Unity 8 "5 unity8 AP tests failing with Qt 5.2" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274484 [12:43] the previous bug was autopilot-qt problem [12:43] Mirv, \o/ [12:44] karni, this way the in-mem image will always be not-smaller than the display [12:44] Correct! :) [12:44] damn, i should stop suggsting features to design and make my life harder D: [12:44] tsdgeos: :D [12:44] karni, that's for cropping, for fitting it's correct to use actual image size [12:44] tsdgeos, lol ;D [12:44] * karni nods [12:45] Saviq: and along the spec, mascot should be cropped. I'll get it ready in a moment. [12:45] :) [12:46] mhr3, can you guys please stop spamming us with -api and -shell MPs? I get like 20-30 emails every hour! :P [12:47] Cimi, s/artist/subtitle/ [12:47] Saviq, subtitle??? [12:47] Saviq, i take it as an official request for us to stop working? ;) [12:47] Cimi, it won't always be artist [12:47] mhr3: trololol :"D [12:47] Saviq, ok [12:47] Saviq, also fixing a test [12:47] Cimi, please group anchors, too [12:47] Saviq, just realised after testing [12:48] Saviq, ok === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:49] Cimi, if you have if () in js, either wrap in { } or put it on one line [12:49] Cimi, 187 + if (sec.length == 1) [12:49] 188 + sec = "0" + sec [12:49] ok [12:50] Saviq: what do we do with mascot "icon aspect ratio" :/ I saw you comment on that. [12:51] round it ;D? [12:51] j/k. we'd have to round resulting pixel dimentions [12:51] I take it wouldn't look great when size has +0.25px [12:52] karni, I doubt you'll notice, QML is good at that [12:52] Saviq: That's even though you said we should avoid these kind of values? [12:52] Well, my sight aint perfect :D [12:52] karni, so let's do what they want us to do, but let's revisit [12:52] ok [12:52] * karni will leave a comment [12:52] karni, +TODO please [12:52] yup [12:53] :) [13:01] Saviq: any comments before I whip up a branch with MP? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6843643/ [13:01] uhhh.. I messed up one digit [13:01] height: units.gu(5.625) :| [13:02] fixed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6843648/ [13:02] karni, yeah, looks good [13:02] thanks [13:03] karni, with cropping, you might also want to set alignment [13:03] karni, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-image.html#horizontalAlignment-prop [13:03] good catch! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:07] Saviq, ok, better now [13:08] fixed tests and coding style [13:10] tsdgeos, as reference, for your gallery [13:10] https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8.previews_audioPlayer/+merge/203387 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [13:49] Saviq: awaiting +1 from Katie (pinged her on IRC), proposed here: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8-fix-mascot/+merge/203967 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:50] karni, k thanks [13:52] tsdgeos, how do I find out which git rev was your fix merged in? [13:53] ah 8cf9811 [13:55] Mirv, hum, quilt push -a fails in qtbase_5.0.2 [13:57] and in lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src, too? wth? [14:07] Cimi: yep, was already having a look at that MR [14:17] Saviq: Katie +1'ed the change, updating MP description. [14:17] done [14:20] Saviq just letting u know, still in dr office, gonna miss stand up [14:22] kgunn_ k === karni is now known as Guest17108 [14:30] @unity: standup [14:31] yay, it worked! [14:31] kgunn, dandrader: in case you didn't switch ^ [14:40] tsdgeos: Cimi: I just wanted to mention we need (Phone delivery, for MWC in Feb) as basic previews as picture + single Buy button :) [14:41] lol wtf :D /me is karni === Guest17108 is now known as karni [14:46] karni, tst_CardHeader.qml: bad whitespace in line 98 [14:46] karni, in the mascot fix [14:46] d'uh :) [14:47] Saviq: is there a tool you guys use to avoid these kind of things :D? [14:47] karni, yeah, "make test" ;) [14:48] Saviq: oh, wasn't aware that checks white space as well. I only ran testCard and testCardHeader for this branch. my bad. [14:48] oh yeah :D there it is [14:48] karni, it will probably complain about stuff in your working dir [14:48] karni, like in builddir/ [14:49] karni, you can obviously ignore that [14:49] nope, it was all good. pushed [14:49] Will make sure to run full suite next time. [15:08] mterry, can you please skip the test instead: [15:08] http://docs.python.org/2/library/unittest.html#skipping-tests-and-expected-failures [15:09] Saviq, sure [15:11] Saviq, done [15:11] mterry, thanks [15:17] sil2100, unity8 ready for publishing [15:17] didrocks, ↑ [15:17] Saviq: looking [15:19] Saviq: acked [15:19] didrocks, thanks [15:20] Saviq: published, be ready to clean and merge once it gets out of proposed [15:20] sil2100, yup [15:21] Saviq: is the bfb to apps just changing the icon to open app scope rather than home scope? [15:21] dednick, yeah [15:22] dednick, and please do that against lp:~unity-team/unity8/new-scopes [15:22] dednick, or well, you probably can't do it yet [15:22] dednick, 'cause there isn't an apps scope yet... [15:22] Saviq: ah, i c. [15:22] dednick, I'll let you know when it's ready [15:22] Saviq: ok [15:25] mterry, kgunn, infographic can already be mocked per-user can't it? [15:25] Saviq, yup. You use the usermetricsinput command. We may need some guidance from pete-woods on how to drive it though [15:26] pete-woods, can I use usermetricsinput for users that don't exist? We're looking to create some dummy data for a demo [15:26] mterry: no you can't [15:27] it verifies everything using apparmor [15:27] pete-woods: your such a downer :) [15:27] pete-woods, ok. So we'll have to make users for these names [15:27] :) [15:27] kgunn, ^ easy enough [15:27] sounds good [15:27] the command has help, but basically it's something like [15:28] more than they asked for, so it'll be a nice touch [15:28] usermetricsinput data-source-id "%1 bananas today" "no bananas today" …. [15:29] where the data-source-id has to be unique [15:29] mhr3: ssweeny asked when we can expect your fix-jsong-merging and non-dconf-dash-pages land in archive [15:30] pete-woods: usermetricsinput is in the build by default? [15:30] if so, we can drop the shenanigans we used int he custom image to fake data [15:31] cwayne: probably not, it's in the libusermetrics-tools package [15:32] cwayne: just confirmed that it's not [15:33] makes sense [15:33] thanks pete-woods [15:33] np :) [15:38] Saviq, 1- how/where is "copy&paste" supposed to work. 2- did it ever work? [15:39] dandrader, it worked with surfaceflinger for sure, it's in qtubuntu [15:39] ricmm, can you point dandrader further ↑? [15:40] the display of my nexus 10 turns off and does go back on if I press the power button or "powerd-cli display on bright" [15:41] dandrader: qtubuntu has an implementation that makes use of the platform-api [15:41] the platform-api backend used to go over binder, through the android app manager, to the other end [15:41] now, it should go either through an IPC impl that unity8 owns (dbus, socket) or through Mir at a lower level [15:43] s/does go/does not go [15:43] karni, when C28 in the landing sheet says "landed" :) [15:44] dandrader: is any of what I said relatively clear/familiar to you? [15:44] mhr3: you have a row :D thanks [15:45] ricmm, enough to get started, I think. [15:45] ricmm, and how is the UI for copy and paste? should long pressing a selection show a pop up with a "copy" option? [15:45] that exists right now [15:46] the qtubuntu and up components are existing [15:46] what needs re-implementing is the plumbing that sits behind scenes in p-api backend [15:46] ricmm, but it behaves as I explained above? [15:46] that was my question [15:46] yes, give it a try [15:46] open browser and see for yourself [15:46] theres a quick list that pops up [15:46] ricmm, I only see "select word" "select all" [15:47] well you first need to do the selection [15:47] try on a picture [15:47] ricmm, btw, is there a sure-fire way to turn on the display [15:47] ? [15:47] I started having troubles with it since yesterday... [15:47] pressing the button should do it [15:47] if it fails, file a bug [15:47] heh [15:47] * dandrader reboots his N10 [15:48] weird... [15:50] ok, something is very wrong. I'm getting some black flicker on my screen when playing with unity8.... [15:51] low battery [15:51] n10 flickers to black when running out of battery [15:51] so the indicator is buggy, it's showing full battery, let's check via command line [15:52] "upower --show-info /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery" shows 100% full [15:52] thats weird then [15:53] ok, and after the display goes off due to inactivity it doesn't come back unless I reboot [15:53] sigh, better go for lunch now === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [15:58] ahhhhhhhhhhh, mako tests failing now?¿?¿ [15:58] when did that start?¿ [15:59] * tsdgeos cries in his corner [16:03] Saviq: any idea ↑↑↑ [16:04] tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/bring-back-unity-mir-dep/+merge/203963 probably [16:04] ah, makes sense [16:04] tsdgeos, just merging [16:04] \o/ [16:05] tsdgeos, restart, should be good now [16:19] karni, first stab at CardTool: https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/card-tool/+merge/204019, it's not completely good yet and not enough tests, but would like an early proofread if you have some time [16:19] brb otp [16:24] sil2100, /me wants a silo [16:27]