[00:19] <rick_h_> waf: www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x1-carbon-2-keyboard-3.jpg
[01:14] <rick_h_> https://wiki.mozilla.org/CordovaFirefoxOS
[01:15] <greg-g> fuck that keyboard
[01:16] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh, I was showing waf why I don't have faith in lenovo any more
[01:16] <rick_h_> the fact that the keyboard went through to production, and for sale, on a Thinkpad...is a fireable offense at the min
[01:22] <cmaloney> Guarantee someoneover at ZDnet is heralding this as the killer feature
[01:35] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpadcirclejerk
[01:35] <jcastro> this is for you rick_h_
[01:39] <jrwren> i know I should prefer to type easy_install, but pip is so much shorter and easier :)
[01:41] <rick_h_> nope, pip won
[01:41] <rick_h_> uninstall is a darn useful feature
[01:44] <jrwren> oh yeah.
[01:44] <jrwren> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/timelib/
[01:44] <jrwren> nice module there.
[01:58] <cmaloney> howdy.:)
[02:15] <stabbinfresh> howdy :)
[12:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:15] <cmaloney> I'm going to start the day by thinking positive thoughts
[12:15] <cmaloney> like say for instance this email: http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/albinomoose.asp
[12:15] <cmaloney> Received from a family member
[12:16] <cmaloney> that wasn't about Obama.
[12:16] <cmaloney> Ah
[12:16] <cmaloney> ahhhhhh
[14:03] <jrwren> happy happy
[14:07] <rick_h_> party party
[14:09] <jrwren> pop quiz.
[14:10] <jrwren> sudo apt-get remove libdbd-mysql-perl mysql-client-5.5 mysql-server mysql-server-5.5 python-mysqldb
[14:10] <jrwren> why didn't I just apt-get remove libmysqlclient18
[14:10] <jrwren> ?
[14:10] <rick_h_> because you weren't sure?
[14:11] <jrwren> nope.
[14:12] <jrwren> snmpd depends on it :(
[14:13] <jrwren> for some reason /usr/sbin/snmptrapd links against it. I can't imagine wh
[14:13] <jrwren> why
[14:13] <rick_h_> scale!
[14:14] <jrwren> oh
[14:14] <jrwren> The ability to log received traps to a MySQL database was added in Release 5.5
[14:14] <jrwren> oh net-snmp.
[14:14] <jrwren> you so silly
[14:24] <rick_h_> heh, flaky as can be but the google now notifications are working
[14:28] <widox> rick_h_: yeah, the overall UI changes in the recent update are wonky
[14:29] <widox> also not a fan of extra icons all up in my status bar
[14:30] <jcastro> rick_h_, in the browser?
[14:30] <jcastro> they finally got the app menu to be able to be docked too iirc?
[14:31] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea
[14:31] <rick_h_> jcastro: latest canary build
[14:31] <rick_h_> widox: yea, it'll settle. This has happened before
[14:31] <rick_h_> the extra chrome in the space above the tabs
[14:33] <widox> rick_h_: yep, it doesn't "fit" well into my tiling anymore
[14:33] <cmaloney> I already run a chrome extension to block that crack
[14:33] <cmaloney> (Google Plus notifications)
[14:33] <cmaloney> that's all I need is for it to show up in my tray
[14:34] <widox> cmaloney: this is more then just G+ stuff, its also the Now cards
[14:34] <cmaloney> right, but it'll likely be all or nothing
[14:34] <widox> if you use it on your phone for example
[14:34] <rick_h_> right, the cool bit is the reminders I create on my phone are syncd
[14:34] <rick_h_> but it's the now weather, sportsball team updates, etc
[14:34] <cmaloney> yeah that would be handy
[14:35] <cmaloney> but something telling me someone acknowledged my witticism on G+ is not
[14:35] <cmaloney> because I am a delicate flower that must be acknowledged
[14:35] <cmaloney> lest I wilt.
[14:35] <brousch> How much snow it takes to cancel school http://i.imgur.com/CiuVwRq.png
[14:35] <widox> yeah, you can turn that off but not Now notifications
[14:35] <widox> so they are independant
[14:36] <cmaloney> yeah, but for how long. :)
[14:36] <cmaloney> seems plus is pervasive.
[18:15] <brousch> Wow. That's some bait and switch. https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebooks.html#pixel $279
[18:15] <brousch> Click Buy: $1299
[18:16] <rick_h_> how many movies can I get into the tablet...go go go
[18:16] <rick_h_> wow, wtf brousch
[18:16] <brousch> I was surpised the price had dropped so much
[18:17] <rick_h_> no kidding
[18:18] <brousch> I was ready to pick up 2 of them
[18:20] <brousch> Heh, went to reddit to report it and someone already had https://plus.google.com/+RonnieJonesII/posts/Adde5Auns4H
[18:36] <cmaloney> bah
[18:40] <brousch> The Cr-48 is starting to show its age. Having trouble playing YouTube
[18:40] <rick_h_> yea, some people have gotten some of the newer haswell based ones and liking them
[18:41] <rick_h_> just make sure to get the ones with a little more GB of ram since multi-tasking is available now
[18:42] <brousch> All of the new ones are a pathetic 1366x768
[18:42] <brousch> I guess that's similar to the Cr-48, but I was hoping for better now
[18:43] <jrwren> i have to lookup how to PPA, everytime :)
[18:43] <rick_h_> jrwren: makefiles ftw
[18:43] <jrwren> rick_h_: how does that help?
[18:43] <brousch> sudo add-apt-repository ppa
[18:43] <jrwren> brousch: no, submitting
[18:43] <rick_h_> jrwren: don't have to look it up, just make sysdeps
[18:43] <brousch> ah
[18:43] <rick_h_> oh, submitting for a ppa, nvm
[18:44] <brousch> 2leet4me
[18:46] <rick_h_> brousch: bummer on the resolution. Even the HP 14 has that res :/
[18:46] <brousch> They are positioned as cheapo laptops, like netbooks
[18:46] <rick_h_> yea
[18:46] <brousch> I guess Grandville schools (near here) is giving them to all kids soon
[18:47] <rick_h_> I like them and keep track of dev. It'd make an interesting second machine for sure.
[18:47] <brousch> Great kid's laptop
[18:47] <rick_h_> kids, guest, night time watching tv thing
[18:47] <rick_h_> cool, long battery, etc
[18:47] <brousch> And my tech-impaired father loves his, and my tech-impaired brother loves his
[19:17] <cmaloney> I think JoDee is the only person in the UNited States that gives a fuck about Curling.
[19:17] <rick_h_> they still do curling?
[19:17] <jrwren> I love curling
[19:17] <rick_h_> :P
[19:17] <jrwren> its VERY fun to drink and watch.
[19:17] <cmaloney> jrwren: I stand corrected
[19:18] <cmaloney> JoDee is the only sane person in the United States that gives a fuck about curling.
[19:18] <cmaloney> :-P
[19:19] <brousch> I like curling
[19:19] <rick_h_> liking != caring
[19:19] <rick_h_> for the record
[19:19] <brousch> I care more about it than any sportsball
[19:20] <brousch> It's like bowling on ice
[19:20] <rick_h_> really? So you know of teams and players and standings?
[19:20] <rick_h_> you track scores to see who won/lost?
[19:20] <brousch> No, but I don't know any standings of any sportsball either
[19:20] <rick_h_> then it's not caring :)
[19:20] <brousch> If it's on TV, I am more likely to watch curling than sportsball
[19:21] <brousch> That's probably the best way to put it
[19:21] <jrwren> i know none of that.
[19:21] <jrwren> I don't care about it at all.
[19:21] <callmeDarwin> curling is great Sunday nap TV
[19:21] <jrwren> but I do enjoy drinking beer and watching it
[19:22] <jrwren> whoa, cloud-init docs looks good on the new RTD themem http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/examples.html
[19:26] <jrwren> smoser is my favorite person: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1244355
[19:28] <smoser> jrwren, are you asking for that fixed in precise ?
[19:29] <jrwren> yes
[19:29] <jrwren> in next cut of cloud image :)
[19:49] <rick_h_> curses, of course my pebble steel ships today and arrives while on a sprint.
[19:53] <jrwren> you've been waiting for that for a while
[19:54] <brousch> rick_h_: That always happens to you
[19:54] <rick_h_> yea, I was hoping it'd come before the trip. They were supposed to start shipping the 28th
[19:54] <rick_h_> but it's going to hit the weekend now and oh well
[20:00] <smoser> jrwren, shouldn't be too hard to do that. you could do the patch
[20:00] <smoser> and i'd get it sponsored for you
[20:00] <smoser> even mention your name in a changelog !
[20:41] <jrwren> smoser: i don't even know where to begin. coach me?
[20:42] <jrwren> smoser: e.g. I don't even know what cloudinit version is in precise-updates would I be working off cloud-init trunk or some branched version for precise?
[20:42] <smoser> its fixd in trunk
[20:42] <smoser> (bzr branch lp:cloud-init)
[20:42] <smoser> its fixed in trusty:
[20:43] <smoser> (bzr branch lp:ubuntu/cloud-init/trusty)
[20:43] <smoser> its not fixed in precise-proposed
[20:43] <jrwren> so, all I have to do is cherrypick the patch?
[20:43] <smoser> (bzr branch lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/cloud-init)
[20:43] <smoser> yeah, basically.
[20:43] <smoser> get lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/cloud-init
[20:43] <jrwren> sounds easy
[20:43] <smoser> and then apply the fix from lp:cloud-init with quilt
[20:44] <smoser> QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[20:44] <smoser> you'll ned ^ to convince quilt where your patches are that are already applied.
[20:45] <jrwren> i've never quilted.
[20:45] <smoser> oh no?. its really a nice way of maintaining patches.
[20:45] <jrwren> can't I just git cherry-pick ?
[20:45] <smoser> well, no. :-(
[20:46] <jrwren> was j/k
[20:49] <brousch> rick_h_: How is your Nexus 10 holding up?
[20:51] <jrwren> smoser: should I be reving this in changelog? like 0.6.4 ?
[20:54] <smoser> 0.6.3-0ubuntu1.9 is what is current (just uploaded to precise-proposed yesterday)
[20:54] <smoser> so next is 0.6.3-0ubuntu1.10
[20:55] <jrwren> i'm asking for the ChangeLog line.
[20:57] <jrwren> dch --increment it is.
[20:58] <smoser> right. dch -i.
[20:58] <smoser> the changelog line should just say something about the change.
[20:58] <jrwren> ChangeLog v. debian/changelog
[20:58] <smoser> ah.
[20:58] <smoser> dch -i
[20:58] <smoser> you're essentially looking to end up with a diff something like in
[20:59] <jrwren> i did a bzr log -r 890 -v
[20:59] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6845949/
[20:59] <jrwren> err, -v -p
[21:00] <jrwren> nah, that is SmartOS crap. I just want cloud-archive:
[21:00] <rick_h_> brousch: well, loaded it up with movies for the flight. Got 6 downlaoded
[21:01] <jrwren> i was going for this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6845957/
[21:01] <smoser> jrwren, right. i was just saying that is an example of the cnages you'd make
[21:01] <jrwren> but tree has been reorganzied making it not easy to follow
[21:02] <jrwren> smoser: cool
[21:02] <smoser> so what you have ther is reasonable.
[21:02] <smoser> you end up with a new patch in debian/patches
[21:02] <smoser> (and stupidly revision controlled .pc/* files)
[21:03] <jrwren> ugh.
[21:04] <jrwren> i don't do debian packages this way.
[21:04] <smoser> quilt 3.0 is the format that is the most popular now.
[21:04] <smoser> bzr revision controlls the .pc directories
[21:05] <smoser> (i think thats annoying, but fighting it means that you fight a robot that does automated imports, and when fighting robots, you lose because they do stuff when you're sleeping)
[21:05] <smoser> so i gave up.
[21:06] <jrwren> this single commit doesn't even manually port cleanly.
[21:07] <jrwren> add_sources in 0.6.3 takes a searchList instead of template_params
[21:07] <jrwren> or... maybe i can deal with it.
[21:08] <brousch> rick_h_: My wife has taken to the size of my TouchPad (10"), but the hackiness of Cyanogenmod on there bugs her. I'm thinking of a N10 for her
[21:09] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I mean I gave away my N7 and just use the N10. I find that things break down into 10" tasks and phone tasks
[21:09] <rick_h_> ssh to real computer, writing doc with BT keyboard, or watching movies
[21:09] <brousch> I'm getting too old to read PDFs on my N7 :(
[21:09] <rick_h_> and tablet games for the boy once in a while
[21:09] <rick_h_> heh, yea
[21:09] <rick_h_> that too, I picked up a wine magazine subscription I use it for
[21:10] <rick_h_> though I hate reading on lcv
[21:10] <rick_h_> lcd
[21:10] <brousch> color!
[21:10] <rick_h_> yea I know
[21:10] <rick_h_> but still, it's text
[21:11] <jrwren> smoser: are there tests I can run?
[21:12] <smoser> make test
[21:12] <smoser> shoudl run
[21:12] <smoser> i'm not sure if i added a test for that or not.
[21:12] <brousch> I have a feeling I will love the N10 and will sell all of our old ones
[21:13] <smoser> jrwren, yeah, and i know it isn't theeasiest port.
[21:13] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I was hoping they'd update it but honestly it doesn't have any issues
[21:13] <rick_h_> brousch: and it sounds like they're not going to update it now :/
[21:13] <smoser> porting the logic is fine.
[21:13] <smoser> and even porting a easy hack of "if input.startswith("cloud:")"
[21:13] <smoser> actually that might be the smartest / least invasive.
[21:13] <jrwren> smoser: no, I think I grokked it.
[21:13] <brousch> rick_h_: I've been waiting since Oct for new N10, but it is all just rumors
[21:14] <rick_h_> brousch: yep
[21:14] <jrwren> templater.render_string(source, template_params) was util.render_string(source, searchList)   threw me a bit.
[21:16] <jrwren> smoser: so, I bzr committed, now what? :)
[21:18] <smoser> bzr push lp:~ubuntu/precise-proposed/cloud-init/lp1244355
[21:19] <smoser> err..
[21:19] <smoser> sorry
[21:19] <smoser> bzr push lp:~jrwren/ubuntu/precise-proposed/cloud-init/lp1244355
[21:19] <smoser> i think.
[21:19] <smoser> then open https://code.launchpad.net/~jrwren/ubuntu/precise-proposed/cloud-init/lp1244355
[21:19] <smoser> (if jrwren is your lp id)
[21:19] <smoser> and hit "submit for review"
[21:21] <jrwren> evarlast, cuz I'm old school :)
[21:22] <jrwren> No such distribution series precise-proposed.
[21:22] <brousch> Ah, great. More snow is coming
[21:22] <jrwren> maybe im' not bzr logged in
[21:22] <rick_h_> brousch: yep, wife will get to use the snow blower for the first real time Sat
[21:23] <jrwren> hrm, no, same error
[21:25] <smoser> jrwren, i guess drop the -proposed
[21:26] <jrwren> i just did it to cloud-init/cloud-init, but that is my problem.
[21:26] <jrwren> you want a merge proposal for lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/cloud-init ?
[21:27] <smoser> right.
[21:27] <jrwren> i added you as reviewer. I hope that is OK
[22:09] <cmaloney> Wow, didn't realize that Serge  Hallyn was part of the LXC project
[22:10] <cmaloney> he was at Hope college when I was there.
[22:10] <cmaloney> I doubt he would remember me.
[22:10] <smoser> jrwren, hey. yeah, that sifne. i took a quick look. you need to add a patch in debian/patches/
[22:10] <smoser> i knwo . its annoying.
[22:10] <smoser> but thats how it works
[22:10] <smoser> it probalb wont build like this.
[22:10] <jrwren> how to do that?
[22:11] <jrwren> diff > debian/patches/XXX ?
[22:11] <smoser> well, basically. yeah.
[22:11] <smoser> but using quilt.
[22:11] <smoser> you can do something like
[22:11] <smoser> diff > my.diff
[22:11] <smoser> quilt import my.diff
[22:11] <smoser> i have to run.s
[22:11] <smoser> sorry.
[22:12] <jrwren> this is one no one contributes to debuntu
[22:17] <jrwren> in bzr, how do I point my HEAd to -3 ?
[22:27] <jrwren> seriously, I've no idea how you'all still use bzr.
[22:31] <cmaloney> waf: ping
[22:32] <jrwren> LP: Timeout error, please try again in a few minutes. is also why no one contributes :p
[22:33] <cmaloney> waf: n/m. Taking my own advice and using email instead.
[22:33] <cmaloney> jrwren: bitch bitch bitch
[22:33] <jrwren> cmaloney: i know :)
[22:33] <jrwren> I am a whiney bitch. This is well established
[22:33] <cmaloney> heh
[22:34] <cmaloney> As long as you're OK with it. ;)
[22:34] <jrwren> i'm not really. I shoudl put up or STFU
[22:35] <cmaloney> I <3 that I can use the Squeezebox at the Barnes and Noble.
[22:35] <cmaloney> Didn't get a chance to sync my phone so instead I can listen to some jazz in the cafe.
[22:43] <jrwren> i use itunes at B&N :p
[22:44] <jrwren> VPN home and play all my media from home fileserver
[22:44] <jrwren> its comcastic
[22:48] <rick_h_> jrwren: http://yannesposito.com/Scratch/en/blog/2009-12-14-Git-vs--Bzr/ and from that looks like bzr revert -r -3 pipo
[22:48] <jrwren> didn't matter, just rebranched
[22:48] <rick_h_> k
[22:48] <jrwren> its simple: I don't know bzr, and I have zero incentive to.
[22:49] <rick_h_> no argument here
[22:49] <jrwren> TY though
[22:49] <rick_h_> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui
[22:49] <rick_h_> :)
[22:49] <jrwren> yup.
[22:49] <jrwren> very cool