[04:58] hi superfly and others [05:06] More oom [05:07] hi mazal [05:19] o/ more oom Kilos [05:19] hallo mazal [05:19] more nuvolari [05:22] good morning [05:22] morning inetpro [05:26] Morning everybody [05:31] hi bduk1 [06:17] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:45] hi Kilos [07:50] ! [07:55] hi Vince-0 [07:55] hi Xethron [07:55] its Turdsday [07:56] yeah [08:14] hi nlsthzn [08:14] Good morning uncle Kilos [08:14] all well? [08:15] kinda but funny on off stuffs [08:15] ? [08:15] i find when i shutdown the os the pc keeps running then no buttons work but if i tip pc on its side it switches off [08:15] hehe [08:16] ? [08:16] that is very weird [08:16] so somewhere there is some connection not good [08:16] yeah but im mastering it [08:16] I would recommend re-checking all the connections [08:16] i have a coupla times [08:16] exciting [08:16] i love troubleshooting [08:17] more fun than when everything just works [08:18] sure if you don't have anything else of importance to do [08:18] yeah [08:18] i found the prob with the power on button [08:19] they have the connectors shown wrong according to other gigabyte boards [08:19] power and reset swopped around [08:20] i agree, if you have work to do as well then its too much to go the troubleshooting route as well [08:20] well that isn't a gigbyte board... the schematics for it is available online if I recall [08:20] ag man ecs [08:20] sorry [08:20] :) [08:20] i have 2 scrap ones here [08:21] one ian bought as new in the box with books and all but cpu mounting points were scratched broken with a screwdriver [08:22] peeps are evil [08:22] hows things buy you nlsthzn ? [08:22] by [08:22] ok thanks uncle Kilos ... went to the first mall built here a few hours ago... it is ok, not many things open yet [08:23] aha [08:23] za full of malls [08:25] even a new one in Secunda... [08:25] lots of malls here in the big cities too... worlds biggest in Dubai [08:25] sjoe [08:25] and the mall with a built in ice ski [08:25] go and play in the snow in the deser [08:25] *desert [08:25] hahaha [08:32] i just gonna reboot to set the bios clock [09:14] inetpro, ek dink die weer sukkel. eks seker dit is op soek na elders. hulle se mos altyd dit reen elders [09:16] ai! [09:22] hi psyatw [09:23] hi Kilos [09:23] howdy all [09:24] hi magespawn [09:27] busy in training today [09:27] nice [09:27] learning new systems [09:27] good [09:33] hello magespawn [09:33] what kind of systems? [09:34] semper [09:34] hotel management software [09:36] I´ve never heard of that, but I hope it´s an interesting training [09:38] bit boring, i just have to learn it so that when the users need supppoert [09:41] struggling a bit here, i need sleep [09:41] ai! [09:41] hi smile [09:41] hi Kilos :D [10:02] ai! system failure :( [10:02] ouch [10:02] what did you break [10:02] Hi Kilos [10:02] hi Golynx [10:02] root filesystem ownerships [10:03] what are you doing in there? [10:04] ?yhw ,tuptuo eht gnisreveR [10:04] :p [10:04] is that japanese? [10:04] No, it's reversed output :p [10:04] haha [10:05] you messing my brain man [10:05] :D [10:05] * smile hugs Kilos :) [10:05] ty [10:05] help Golynx rather and remember he is a noob [10:05] I just wanted to change the permission on an apache php folder. I went to that folder with cd /var/www/folder , then did sudo chown www-data /var/www/folder . Next thing i saw when i pressed enter was it was changing / directory to www-data user :( [10:05] hi smile [10:05] so no heavy stuff [10:05] hi Golynx :) [10:06] oh my goodness [10:06] Golynx: yes, because you said the new owner must be www-data user? :D [10:06] Now i got no root access because root user is not allowed to read/write anymore [10:06] you gotta be careful of chown [10:07] I never told it to chown the root directory :/ [10:07] Oh :( [10:07] recovery mode? :) [10:08] but why go to that folder and chown from there [10:08] you want root to chown the folder [10:09] I rebooted in recovery mode , then did mount -rw -o remount / .It changed the root directories owners to root again, but other users where root never was is allowed in certain files ,like bluetooth dont use root it use another user , now network dont work [10:10] :( [10:10] I'm i live cd now [10:11] I'm used to setting permissions like that Kilos [10:11] save everything to somewhere [10:11] vi chmod [10:12] those things are dangerous to play with if you arent 100% sure what you are doing [10:12] I'm waiting for dvd from town, my sister wont let me use her phone to transfer to card again [10:12] good morning [10:12] Maaz: coffee on [10:12] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [10:12] hi charl_ [10:12] hi Kilos [10:12] hi charl_ [10:13] help Golynx get root permissions back to root again [10:13] I will reinstall ubuntu again tonight [10:13] hi Golynx [10:13] what? root permissions back to root? [10:14] I just wanted to change the permission on an apache php folder. I went to that folder with cd /var/www/folder , then did sudo chown www-data /var/www/folder . Next thing i saw when i pressed enter was it was changing / directory to www-data user :( [10:14] They are back to root Kilos, just root has overridden some other users like network use different users to access the network and bluetooth [10:14] there is some way of sorting that [10:15] all above me though [10:15] weird [10:16] you people are just skrewing around here now [10:16] Was it a bug in the dvd ? [10:16] all i chown now are externals and maybe /home/and the file that needs it [10:16] Coffee's ready for charl_! [10:16] Maaz: thanks [10:16] charl_: No problem [10:16] only the file on its own [10:16] Maaz is best maid [10:16] I never mess with / though [10:17] bug in what dvd? [10:17] remastersys [10:17] the bug is in your hands [10:17] not the dvd [10:17] dvd dont chown stuff [10:18] I mean errors it can cause in the os [10:18] no dvd fine [10:18] never had a faulty remastersys dvd yet [10:18] ok fine [10:19] brb :) [10:19] so what is needed to be controlled from user that root controls now [10:20] network [10:20] in dutch what you people are doing is called an "epische kloterij" [10:20] i will rather not translate it [10:20] I've put 334MB of Archive stuff in a backups folder. Can i install the drivers from there and all other programs i downloaded before including Xfce ? [10:20] hi smile 1 [10:20] how's it going [10:20] ya but with gdebi [10:21] try reinstalling them from synaptic [10:21] the things that root has stolen control of now [10:21] That will wana download it again [10:21] hi charl_ :) [10:21] fine! :D [10:21] long time no speak to, how's life [10:21] charl_: I just managed to get my tabs vertical in ChatZilla :) [10:21] you going to fosdem? [10:22] that allows many more tabs to be open at the same time = channels / users :) [10:22] did you empty your archives? [10:22] No :) I'm not going, are you? [10:22] ah, i don't really know chatzilla, i use irssi [10:22] i'm not sure, i would like to go but i just don't feel like sitting on the train [10:22] for me coming from the east it's hours and hours before i end up in brussel [10:23] Nope just copied from terminal [10:23] and there also seems to be a lot of people going, they say 5K+ [10:24] then they must still be there so you can reinstall from synaptic without it downloading [10:25] wb smile [10:25] thank you :) [10:25] charl_: I was installing https://github.com/hagabaka/chatzilla-plugins/tree/master/channel-tree [10:25] And I just found the way to option to set it on the right :) [10:26] I dont understand Kilos, i was planning to Erase the disk from live cd and reinstall ubuntu, so i can get back the correct ownerships for directories and files [10:26] smile: nice :) [10:26] can you alt+1,2,3 etc to change between tabs? [10:27] that's the one feature i love about irssi, i prefer keyboard navigation [10:27] Golynx: good plan ;) [10:28] charl_: yes, but it works strangely :p [10:28] How will that bring back the correct ownerships Kilos , if i reinstalled the programs? [10:28] im hoping synaptic will sort it [10:28] since it uses the order of auto-joined channels, instead of A-Z [10:28] I will now sort my auto-join channels A-Z [10:28] smile: ooh no that's not so handy [10:28] yeah good idea [10:28] charl_: then it'll work ;) [10:29] :/ i dunno about that [10:29] i am busy playing with semplice now [10:29] a very nice openbox-based debian derivative [10:30] There is no programs downloaded in Archives that controls the bluetooth and network for example, they are already default in ubuntu [10:31] And their permissions are already compromized, no way to reinstall them without reinstalling the entire os [10:31] brb, again :D [10:31] charl_, smile help Golynx please [10:32] it won't bring back the correct ownerships :) just reinstall, will save you a lot of headaches [10:32] ;) [10:33] back :) [10:34] So thats my only option now. Reinstall ubuntu and then install the drivers and other software from the backup i made of the Archives [10:34] charl_: it now works [10:35] It's not your only, but it's probably your best :) [10:35] Golynx, [10:35] do you have a dvd there [10:35] remastersys it [10:36] Kilos: won't that take the bad ownerships with it? :p [10:36] I will tonight Kilos [10:36] or just make sure you have the whole archives saved [10:37] ai, i used to just restore win7 to a previous date , funny ubuntu dont have that [10:37] if you use the backup option it might i dunno but there is an iso option that doesnt do a full backup of what you have working like settings [10:38] Yes i have about 330MB of programs in the Archives i put that with my other backedup data [10:38] so min [10:39] i have 9.5g [10:39] do you know that path to the backup? [10:40] if so do sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /path to backup/ [10:40] Will have to do the remastersys thing when the system is healthy again [10:40] that will sort whats not already in the saved archives [10:42] mainly you need all the xubuntu-desktop and its dependancies saved for sure [10:43] and all the updated packages [10:43] wb psy [10:45] hi sorry, was busy organising a new office [10:45] smile: ah great [10:45] hi charl_ [10:45] hi smile [10:45] ty Kilos [10:45] Kilos: you people are making an epic mess with that remastersys [10:45] psyatw: hi there! [10:45] why charl_ [10:46] have you used it [10:46] Kilos: remastersys is a tool for people who want to do mass-rollouts on corporate desktops or people who want to create specialist derivatives like security, privacy, etc [10:46] i can do a clean install and only need 40m to get fully updated/upgraded [10:46] hmm [10:47] um [10:47] its hardly a clean install, just a backup of your existing setup [10:47] yeah exactly [10:48] not that there is anything wrong with it, the tools are provided and you use them as you see fit [10:48] ya that ThatGraemeGuy i mean wipe the drive and install from scratch [10:48] but i still can't help but think you are making an epic "kloterij" out of this [10:49] I will like a backup of my system though. If it breaks i can just reload everything specific to the pc hardware from remastersys [10:49] when you can help then make comments [10:50] yeah guess i'll just stfu then [10:50] yes me too, i stay far out of this :P [10:51] ai [10:51] Golynx, when you have everything installed and working properly look at redobackup [10:51] ill try fing the link [10:51] find [10:52] will do Kilos [10:52] http://redobackup.org/features.php [10:53] sorry ThatGraemeGuy charl_ [10:53] i use remastersys all the time to install to three pcs and had no probs [10:53] didnt wanna be nasty [10:54] I don't think its good to keep pushing a third-party app on people as a solution, especially when the app isn't even maintained anymore [10:55] and that's the last i'll be saying [11:01] bbl ty Kilos [11:01] good luck gol [11:05] hi psyatw [11:05] :) [11:35] big storm here [11:35] hi smile [11:35] hi magespawn [11:36] hi there charl_ [11:36] hi magespawn :) [11:36] you installing cool wireless setups? [11:36] you must make fotos :) [11:36] *photos [11:36] not at the moment, busy getting training on Semper [11:36] good idea charl_ [11:36] semper? what is that? [11:37] hi Kilos [11:37] hi Xethron [11:52] charl_, hotel management software [11:58] oh yes, hold on a second [11:58] i used to know a guy that used to work at semper [11:58] i forgot his name though [12:00] hi tinuva [12:00] magespawn: afaik they have a development office in george [12:02] Noel? [12:05] charl_, they guy we are getting trained by Noel? [12:05] doesn't sound familiar, it was from too long ago [12:05] ah well one of those things. [12:05] oh wait now i remember [12:05] the guy was called stiaan pretorius [12:06] but he used to work there a long time ago [12:06] just need to scratch the brain a bit [12:16] work, bbl [14:12] hmm... [14:34] hi [14:35] hi theblazehen [14:35] Maaz, wb [14:35] Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend [14:35] ? [14:35] Maaz has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [14:36] ah [16:07] evening all [16:14] hey magespawn [16:14] hi magespawn [16:22] whats up? [16:22] dunno been asleep [16:25] had a heavy but short rain storm here [16:25] we still hoping [16:40] hmm... [17:11] back again [17:20] hi magespawn [17:20] what happened [17:22] they lowering schumis meds so he can wake up [17:22] month in a forced coma [17:29] 3g dropped me for awhile there [17:30] sounds like a good thing, but i suppose they will only know if everything is okay after he wakes up [17:31] yeah they kept him under so the swelling could go down and also do 2 ops [17:33] pretty amazing what they can do [17:33] yeah [18:01] wb Golynx [18:02] good evening [18:02] Kilos i burned my data to a dvd with Xfburn. It said completed. but when i check if there is data on i cant find a way to do that [18:02] ty [18:03] I mean their is no dvd-rom drive icon anywhere [18:03] hi inetpro [18:03] can you open it? [18:03] hi inetpro [18:04] oh [18:04] I insert the dvd and i cant find a way to check it [18:04] How does linux do that [18:04] must be there somewhere in one of them things in the top panel on the left [18:05] like computer ans cdrom etc [18:05] Nope no drives mentioned there , not even the HHD [18:05] i cant picture what the stuff is in xfce [18:05] * inetpro played with CentOS a bit in the last two days [18:05] must say yum is quite nice these days [18:06] In unity too i dont see that [18:06] thats nice inetpro [18:06] but it's quite clear that Ubuntu server is ahead in the race [18:06] in unity a cdrom shows on the launcher panel [18:06] thats nice to know [18:07] i didnt enjoy centos at all. but mine is old [18:07] I didnt see a cdrom on the launcher panel [18:08] at the bottom [18:08] drag mouse down [18:08] for instance it looks like they only started now to use the service command with upstart [18:08] remove the office stuff [18:08] why do all the server peeps say centos is better [18:08] hi inetpro Golynx [18:09] or redhat anyway [18:09] I also don't like how they drop you into root by default [18:09] No cdrom icon Kilos [18:09] dangerous [18:09] hi magespawn [18:09] Golynx, can you see if it was burned [18:09] inetpro, i thought was their default way, nothing done by the system for you [18:09] like differnt colour on the read surface [18:10] Thats what i wana see Kilos, but i cant find the cdrom drive anywhere [18:10] look on the dvd itself [18:10] huh? dvd itself ? [18:11] if you put the remaster dvd in does that show up [18:11] ya you can normally see when data is burned onto dvds [18:11] first thing I missed was byobu, fortunately it's available in the Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL) [18:11] Do you mean the "Install Custom 12.04" icon on the desktop ? [18:12] ya [18:12] see if that shows [18:12] no man [18:12] ok lemme check that [18:12] if you put that dvd in dont you see it anywhere [18:13] Kilos, looks like not [18:14] excuse me magespawn im lost [18:14] i also thought centos/red hat was for the professional who would know how to do all they needed [18:14] lol [18:15] your last statement was a sort of question, i took his leaving as the answer [18:15] oh [18:15] i think he was on the live dvd [18:17] magespawn: it (centos) clearly is very popular [18:17] more than 450 nicks in #centos [18:18] whew [18:18] i liked using, if only for the learning curve on how the things are different [18:18] but they down't beat #ubuntu with more than 1800 nicks [18:20] impossible to follow conversations in busy channels like that [18:20] lol [18:27] Golynx, ? [18:28] Kilos no cd or dvd is picked up by the installed ubuntu. So i guess its the mixed up permissions. The reboot, shutdown and sound dont work aswell [18:28] ouch [18:28] and network and bluetooth dont work too [18:29] So now i'm gona erase the old ubuntu and install the new one [18:29] so how did you write the packages to dvd then? [18:29] That should fix everything [18:29] are you sure that worked? [18:30] I chose a data disc on dvd+r [18:30] It said completed and dvd was hot when it ejected, so i guess it got put on [18:31] ok [18:31] are you gonna wipe the whole drive [18:31] Yes , just like last time [18:31] think about making seperate partitions [18:32] then you can save you /home in case you need to install again [18:32] It will freeze again, but i got a trick . I put the mouse pointer in the window so it stays active that way and keyboard works [18:32] you play with dangerous commands [18:33] hmm never did that [18:33] what will freeze? [18:33] and why? [18:34] When i install from live cd it usually freeze [18:34] the screen i mean [18:34] wow [18:34] ok good luck then [18:35]