[01:23] <holstein> http://ubuntustudio.org/download/ says 13.10 is supported til april
[01:24] <knome> that's probably false, but otoh, nobody stops US from supporting it longer than other flavors
[01:25] <knome> wait,
[01:25] <holstein> knome: i was just having words about it in the main support channel
[01:25] <knome> 13.10...
[01:25] <holstein> like. no ,really.. its supported for 9 months
[01:25] <knome> yeah
[01:25] <holstein> i had to break out the **'s
[01:25] <holstein>  ;)
[01:26] <holstein> it *is* supported for 9 months
[01:26] <holstein> but, i think our site is wrong there
[01:26] <knome> yep, it's supported until july, unless the US team decided otherwsie
[01:26] <holstein> right.. thats what i think it should say
[01:26] <holstein> or, its meant to say
[01:26] <knome> (xubuntu only supports LTS releases for 3 years too)
[01:26] <holstein> well, the repos are up though
[01:26] <knome> which is a damn long time ;)
[01:26] <holstein> the kernel gets updates
[01:27] <knome> do you have access to the website?
[01:27] <holstein> knome: i dont think so.. i had access to the testing site
[01:27] <knome> okay
[01:27] <holstein> maybe its just zequence 
[01:27] <knome> i do, so i can change
[01:27] <holstein> knome: COOL!
[01:28] <knome> anybody in ~ubuntustudio-website has admin access
[01:28] <holstein> i mean, i guess theres a chance that was the plan
[01:28] <holstein> but, i dont think so.. i think its a typo
[01:28] <knome> ~ubuntustudio = contributor
[01:28] <knome> ~ubuntustudio-public-relations = editor
[01:28] <knome> the last one should allow you to edit published pages as well
[01:29] <knome> and done
[01:29] <holstein> knome: cheers
[01:29] <knome> hmm, allowing open team as contributors is a bit weird
[01:29] <holstein> yup
[01:30] <holstein> i dont like that, necessarliy.. but im not the boss
[01:30] <holstein> as long as zequence knows, and wants it that way
[01:30] <knome> holstein, hey, you have editing rights as well :P
[01:30] <holstein> knome: news to me.. 
[01:30] <knome> https://ubuntustudio.org/wp-admin/
[01:30] <knome> try logging in with openid
[01:30] <knome> (well the only option)
[01:32] <holstein> wow.. that seems dangerous
[01:32] <holstein> shouldnt we update wp as well?
[01:33] <knome> nope.
[01:33] <knome> you can't do it.
[01:33] <holstein> who can?
[01:33] <knome> the IS handles that
[01:33] <holstein> that seems important
[01:33] <knome> we're actually surprisingly up-to-date atm...
[01:33] <holstein> well, its not my server...
[01:34] <knome> yep
[04:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: I have not put comments into the seeds for a long time. Those must be old.
[04:45] <OvenWerks> I think the idea of recomends was that someone could remove a package without making the system want to remove the whole meta.
[04:46] <OvenWerks> That is not a problem with an install, but may be if the meta is installed on top of another install such as lubuntu or kubuntu.
[08:46] <zequence> OvenWerks: So, we should move all our depends in our metas to recommends
[08:46] <zequence> or..?
[08:47] <zequence> holstein: 13.04 is EOL this month
[08:47] <zequence> No more kernel updates
[08:47] <zequence> 13.10 is EOL in 6 months
[08:50] <zequence> holstein: Where is the typo?
[08:51] <zequence> knome: Ah, the download page?
[09:17] <zequence> knome: The open team don't have any special rights. It's just a way to keep track of who is doing what
[09:17] <zequence> The contributors team, I mean
[09:17] <zequence> ~ubuntustudio is not a contributor team
[09:17] <zequence> It's a user team. Currently you need to be in that team in order to add comments to the website
[09:17] <zequence> This due to spamming, which occurs otherwise
[12:47] <knome> zequence, if they are contributors, i think they can create new articles, but not publish them
[14:24] <OvenWerks> zequence: we should probably test removing a metas depends and see if it helps making it a recomend. It may be hard to tell as some of the packages have their own depends as well. Ask anyone who has tried to reove jack2 so they can add jack1
[14:52] <holstein> zequence: its sorted.. i was just wanting to make sure you werent planning EOL for *studio specific 13.10 in april
[14:52] <holstein> knome updated it for us :)
[15:06] <zequence> Right. I think it was smartboyhw who edited that page last time
[15:07] <holstein> its not a big deal.. just came up yesterday in the support channel
[15:53] <zequence> holstein: I'm currently working on the next version of ubuntustudio-controls, which will be a indicator applications. One of the features is to click a button to get a debug output of the system, whenever someone wants to troubleshoot
[15:54] <zequence> I'm thinking, in the future, when someone has problems, we just ask them to install -controls, and check out the documentation for it (which is also coming)
[15:54] <zequence> Then, if they keep having problems, we ask them to click a button, so we can see what is going on in their machine
[15:55] <zequence> But, I'm hoping the app itself will take care of most things
[15:55] <zequence> Some of the features will be, options for autostarting jack and pulseaudio, as well as the bridge betwen them
[15:56] <zequence> I'm adding some simple controls for jack too, in a user friendly form. Sample rate and latency (f/p)
[15:57] <zequence> Trying to get all of the audio controls into one place, so that if you don't need to do anything out of the ordinary (which most users don't), they get everything from this one indicator application
[15:59] <zequence> I'm intending to get a unbranded version into Debian too, maybe call it linux-multimedia-controls, all though, it's only for audio right now
[16:57] <holstein> i like that being an option.. jack autostart
[16:57] <holstein> not that im interested in it, personally
[17:18] <zequence> Things should just work, especially the first time you try stuff out
[17:19] <holstein> maybe
[17:19] <holstein> i mean, it would be nice if it were like that, or more clear
[17:19] <holstein> you can still download the iso, and fire it up,and click on things and watch them break and not know why
[17:23] <zequence> The idea is that you have jack running right off the bat, and that any jack application will work
[17:24] <holstein> im completely in support of that for others.. as long as it can be turned off easily
[20:36] <zequence> holstein: Just a matter of clicking a toggle