[00:06] <sgclark> Riddell: 2.1.3 source already here looks done
[00:51] <valorie> http://xkcd.com/1319/
[01:20] <sgclark> hi valorie: I am having issues interacting with the pnw ubuntu list, what is that thread linuxcon about, is that something I can help with?
[02:15] <valorie> sgclark: are you in the US northwest?
[02:16] <valorie> because it would be awesome to meet you
[02:16] <sgclark> valorie: just outside of Portland :)
[02:16] <valorie> nice!
[02:16] <sgclark> valorie :)
[02:16] <valorie> http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/
[02:16] <valorie> end of April
[02:17] <valorie> last year, I think it was, we had a KDE table
[02:17] <sgclark> Fun! I want to help if we do anything!
[02:17] <valorie> but usually I just staff the ubuntu-wa booth, which this year we'll share with Debian-Seattle
[02:17] <valorie> if I can get an email to fest-list, which seems down atm
[02:18] <sgclark> I have tried to post to several ubuntu lists since I moved here and nothing. Either I am getting ignored or not working :( hope the latter lol
[02:19] <sgclark> Anyway, I can talk to you lol. and I would love to help
[02:19] <sgclark> And meet you!
[02:19] <valorie> there is a reasonably active ubuntu-or, isn't there?
[02:19] <valorie> Ben Kerensa heads that up
[02:20] <sgclark> valorie: I have seen activity, last meeting they only gave less than day notice
[02:20] <valorie> our wa group flies pretty close to the ground; everyone is too busy with other projects to take it on as a priority
[02:21] <sgclark> yeah groups are alot of work I suspect
[02:21] <valorie> but mostly everybody shows up at lfnw, so that's enough for now, I guess
[02:22] <valorie> my enthusiasm for anything labeled "ubuntu" without the K is rather low, since the recent public kerfuffles
[02:22] <valorie> my hope is that we keep doing well, and everything gets back on an even keel
[02:22] <sgclark> ut oh, what did I miss? buried myself in learning packaging
[02:23] <valorie> nothing worth discussing on a public chan!
[02:23] <sgclark> gotcha :)
[02:24] <valorie> anyway, you are welcome to join #ubuntu-us-wa if you like and #lfnw is the fest chan
[02:25] <sgclark> thanks!
[03:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: Muon ~ tomorrow.
[07:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok
[07:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the sddm card has been in doing since forever, if you are not actually doing it then please move it to todo
[07:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you again have 300000 cards in doing all at once...
[07:36] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: any progress with https://trello.com/c/u9KpFFxF ?
[08:02] <apachelogger> oh 4.8.5 got copied to backports
[08:02] <apachelogger> I'll just try and not get into rage mode
[08:03]  * jackyalcine passes apachelogger a stress handball
[08:03] <apachelogger> most kind
[08:14] <agateau> apachelogger: hi, do you happen to know how to update an Ubiquity squashfs?
[08:15] <apachelogger> agateau: you mean change the live system?
[08:15] <agateau> apachelogger: yes
[08:16] <agateau> apachelogger: I am trying to test some changes I made to ubiquity-dm
[08:16] <agateau> and can't figure out how to
[08:16] <apachelogger> I do, you won't like it though ^^
[08:16] <apachelogger> alternatively I could tell you how to restart ubiquity-dm ;)
[08:17] <agateau> apachelogger: I think I'd like that better :)
[08:21] <apachelogger> peculiar
[08:21] <apachelogger> agateau: sudo -i.... then ... stop --no-wait lightdm; stop ubiquity; pkill -9 X; start ubiquity
[08:22] <agateau> apachelogger: thanks a lot, going to try it
[08:23] <valorie> apachelogger: I guess I got it from backports then; good thing there were no troubles
[08:25] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah
[08:25] <apachelogger> luck plays a big part in quality control here
[08:26] <valorie> team needs to grow a bit more so people aren't juggling so many balls simultaneously
[08:26] <valorie> luck is a dangerous thing to trust
[08:27] <valorie> gonna share a Ubuntu table with the Debian Seattle folks at linuxfest northwest this year
[08:27] <valorie> should be interesting
[08:28] <valorie> and i'll meet sgclark
[08:28] <apachelogger> \o/
[08:29] <apachelogger> valorie: alternatively they could stop juggling :P
[08:29] <apachelogger> poor jono
[08:29] <valorie> oh how boring is that?
[08:30] <apachelogger> valorie: maybe boring but more reliable
[08:31] <valorie> agreed
[08:32] <apachelogger> valorie: do you happen to know what all the posts about planet ubuntu on planet ubuntu are planet ubuntubout?
[08:32] <valorie> huh?
[08:33]  * valorie goes to read planet ubuntu
[08:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34]  * apachelogger got tricked by a blog title just now, lol
[08:34] <apachelogger> morning lordievader
[08:35] <apachelogger> oh people blogging irc logs
[08:35] <apachelogger> how giddy
[08:35] <lordievader> Hey apachelogger, how are you doing?
[08:36] <apachelogger> fine, yourself?
[08:37] <valorie> um, jono bacon with a beard looks like a mennonite
[08:37]  * apachelogger is doing his weekly stroll through the intertubes
[08:37] <lordievader> apachelogger: Doing good too :)
[08:37] <apachelogger> valorie: there's a jono without beared :O
[08:37] <apachelogger> actually
[08:37] <apachelogger> let's not talk about beards
[08:37] <apachelogger> d_ed made all of our barcelona office except for shadeslayer grow beards
[08:38] <lordievader> Beards are lovely
[08:38] <apachelogger> no they are not.
[08:39] <lordievader> They are!
[08:39] <apachelogger> one thing I do not get http://xubuntu.org/news/community-wallpaper-contest-winners/ why are wallpaper contests always really photography contests
[08:39] <apachelogger> the point eldues me
[08:40] <jackyalcine> how did d_ed manage that? lol
[08:40] <jackyalcine> apachelogger: that's the lull of having a 'beautiful desktop'
[08:41] <apachelogger> jackyalcine: you don't need photography to get a beautiful desktop
[08:41] <apachelogger> in fact
[08:41] <valorie> IMO the kerfuffle started with a porn spam blog posting on pUbuntu
[08:41] <apachelogger> 90% of the time when someone uses a photo as a wallpaper the overall desktop will look like shit
[08:42] <jackyalcine> you use solid colors?
[08:42]  * jackyalcine did that for a while; it was nice
[08:42] <apachelogger> because color composition is just so much harder with an actual photo, which is IMHO where the wallpaper as such (the artificially created background) comes in
[08:42] <jackyalcine> http://i.imgur.com/jnaRCDM.jpg is what looks like on a good day
[08:42] <apachelogger> because a proper wallpaper would look nice while providing anchor points for the overall desktop to look just as lovely as the wallpaper on its own
[08:43] <jackyalcine> apachelogger: wallpapers designed for the desktop and not for hanging up in a room
[08:43] <apachelogger> yes
[08:43] <apachelogger> you have envrionmental factors on your desktop though
[08:44] <apachelogger> on a plasma desktop you will have a panel at the bottom, the panel is often translucent; so a good wallpaper will take that into account and not have techno flashes of rainbow unicorn farts towards the bottom
[08:45] <apachelogger> although it could, alas the 'busyness' of the desktop then converges at the bottom which may be intended, in practise however not because you'd want to balanace out attention seeking with the panel
[08:45] <lordievader> apachelogger: Can you give an example of a 'good' wallpaper?
[08:46] <apachelogger> well that's of course in the viewer's eye
[08:46] <apachelogger> windows xp's however had visual balance IIRC
[08:46] <lordievader> A good one in your eye.
[08:46] <apachelogger> was that hilly landscape
[08:46] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/jnaRCDM.jpg the one to the right is generally good
[08:47] <apachelogger> but only with a top and bottom panel
[08:47] <apachelogger> if you were to use it with just the standard bottom panel it would feel weird
[08:47] <jackyalcine> Minimal wallpapers that tend to have a solid 'framing' are the ones I'd try to use
[08:47] <valorie> I have a slideshow of some of my fav. photos, but then my desktop is usually only revealed when I'm away from the computer
[08:48] <apachelogger> the reason is that it obviously puts the busyness towards the middle, so it perfectly balances if you stuff at the top and the bottom
[08:48] <jackyalcine> apachelogger: it's funny you mention this; I remember discussing this lightly with some cats over here
[08:48] <valorie> mostly from astropix
[08:48] <apachelogger> jackyalcine: certainly the least controversial
[08:49] <apachelogger> also I said, since it is mostly about balancing out busyness it's generally easier to balance out a wallpaper with few things going on
[08:51] <apachelogger> "Could Planet Ubuntu be made more awesome? Definitely. Planet Ubuntu is not as useful as it could be and we are aiming too low. Let's reboot it."
[08:52] <jackyalcine> Is it for real?
[08:53] <valorie> problem with pUbuntu is that Canonical has driven some of the old-time faithful bloggers away, and it's always dominated now by Canonical posts
[08:53] <valorie> IMO
[08:53] <apachelogger> well
[08:54] <valorie> jono advocates taking away ubuntu membership if people don't stay active
[08:54] <apachelogger> blogging is mostly 90's stuff
[08:54] <valorie> sure
[08:54] <apachelogger> nowadays one tweets and vines and whatnot
[08:54] <valorie> bleah
[08:54] <apachelogger> valorie: that's not what they are all whining about though
[08:54] <valorie> I like some information occasionally
[08:54] <apachelogger> planet is not hot enough, not focused enough, not coc enough, ...
[08:54] <valorie> right
[08:55] <valorie> I rarely read it because it's sorta boring
[08:55] <apachelogger> planets are always boring
[08:55] <valorie> oddly enough planet KDE isn't
[08:55] <valorie> although I scroll through lots of technical posts
[08:55] <apachelogger> becuase 90% of the people write tediously long and boring posts :P
[08:55] <apachelogger> like blogging an IRC log for the lulz of it ;)
[08:56] <valorie> yes, guilty as charged
[08:56] <valorie> but I've gotten better
[08:56] <valorie> :-)
[08:56] <apachelogger> I like how sam hewitt posts recipes on planet ubuntu
[08:57] <apachelogger> so much more interesting than most of the other stuff I am afraid to say
[08:57] <apachelogger> uhhh, new homerun
[08:58] <valorie> that looks good, but not as good as my local pizza and pasta place has
[08:58] <valorie> :-)
[08:58] <jackyalcine> haha
[08:59]  * apachelogger really does not like forums -.-
[09:01] <apachelogger> " OK, figured it out. /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list.save permissions were set to 700. Changed to 744 and the Muon family now works correctly. "
[09:01] <apachelogger> the things people do
[09:02] <apachelogger> sometimes I think it would be best to disallow sudo completely and have everyone use limited ability gui tools to prevent them from breaking their system
[09:04] <valorie> apachelogger: I like forums least of all, but they are findable by the google machine
[09:04] <valorie> therefore people will use them
[09:05] <valorie> nobody uses list archives which are rich plunder, well hidden
[09:05] <apachelogger> undermoderated I say
[09:05] <valorie> apachelogger is going the Way of Apple ?
[09:05] <jackyalcine> lol
[09:05] <apachelogger> valorie: well, mailing lists are somewhat more pro anyway
[09:06] <valorie> the kde forums are rather well moderated
[09:06] <apachelogger> also forums tend to have many plunders
[09:06] <valorie> most are just spam traps
[09:06] <apachelogger> valorie: yeah, kde forums are rather good
[09:06] <apachelogger> except for the software/theme, but that's a general problem of all forums
[09:06] <valorie> it's because the posts are reported in IRC
[09:07] <valorie> spam is gone almost before one can click on it
[09:07] <valorie> oh, I'll meet Benjamin Mako Hill at LFNW as well
[09:08] <valorie> he's holding down the Debian side of the table
[09:08] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:08] <valorie> I'm looking forward to that
[09:22] <jackyalcine> it's really like 4:22 am
[09:22] <jackyalcine> and I'm just here clacking on the keyboard like it's 1pm
[09:22] <jackyalcine> D:
[09:25] <valorie> ooo, after one here
[09:25] <valorie> time to brush, floss, bed
[09:25] <valorie> uPlanet had put my brain to sleep already.....
[09:49] <apachelogger> lol
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can manage
[11:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's not the point
[11:14] <apachelogger> you are not supposed to have so much stuff in doing
[11:14] <apachelogger> you are supposed to get stuff done
[11:14] <apachelogger> true agile development would even mandate that you only ever have one card, which is of course impractical for us ^^
[11:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, most of the stuff was in review, now that its reviewed, i will fix, and move to done
[11:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and as for the mirror thing in the slideshow, youre right, but I need to figure out how one does that affect
[11:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw i dont understand your comment on the colors card
[11:22] <shadeslayer> *ubiquity colors
[11:23] <shadeslayer> seems like half a comment
[11:25] <apachelogger> on the trello card
[11:25] <apachelogger> go to edit labels
[11:26] <apachelogger> at the bottom there's a colorblind mode
[12:08] <21WACA4GV> there are wayland files ava ilable today?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> yes saw some come down from the 14.04 repos 
[12:17] <BluesKaj> 21WACA4GV, libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-server0
[12:18] <21WACA4GV> are those even used yet?
[12:25] <BluesKaj> dunno
[12:32]  * apachelogger is totally replicating an entire system by hand :O
[12:32] <apachelogger> such madness
[12:32] <apachelogger> 21WACA4GV: they are used for something, otherwise they wouldn't be there ;)
[12:34] <21WACA4GV> from where does those files come? i would think that kde doesnt send them
[12:35] <apachelogger> 21WACA4GV: I think they are pulled in by the MESA (3d) stack
[12:35] <21WACA4GV> who does even know?
[12:38] <apachelogger> 21WACA4GV: kwin lead developer probably does
[12:38] <apachelogger> but I can tell you though is that currently the plasma workspace doesn't use those libraries, not directly anyway
[12:39] <apachelogger> 21WACA4GV: also #ubuntu-x might know
[12:39] <apachelogger> seeing it's their field of experience 
[12:40] <21WACA4GV> who gives permissions to sending files?
[12:41] <apachelogger> sending files?
[12:41] <21WACA4GV> is it possible to inject suspicious things
[12:41] <21WACA4GV> to repo
[12:41] <apachelogger> no
[12:41] <apachelogger> well, in theory, if the user ignores warnings
[12:42] <apachelogger> the repository cache is signed using a gpg key, which apt needs to know, otherwise it will throw warnings and need explicit permission to download/install packages
[12:43] <apachelogger> (see man apt-secure)
[14:07] <agateau> Riddell: just updated the MR for the non-fullscreen Ubiquity, if you have time to have a look ( https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-no-fullscreen )
[14:07] <agateau> Riddell: also did some work on making ubiquity-dm easier to debug as a by-product
[15:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: muon == accepted.
[15:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: thx
[15:18] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/01-rename-plasma-nm.js', which is also in package plasma-nm 0.9.3.1-0ubuntu1~saucy1
[15:18] <apachelogger> ...
[15:18] <apachelogger> .......
[15:26] <genii> I'm getting errors with kubuntu-settings-desktop postrm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6849888/
[15:33] <BluesKaj> thanks for the heads up genii, I see it in the upgrade packages, aborting for now
[15:39] <genii> Looks like it's some file which is being pulled into the postrm, I extracted the deb and looked at the file, it seems fine.
[15:45] <apachelogger> fixed
[15:46] <apachelogger> ubuntu7 should resolve the issue
[15:51] <BluesKaj> hmm, erroring here too ... apachelogger, ubuntu7?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> anyway, snow shovel awaits ...BBL
[16:04] <genii> BluesKaj: The current one is named something like kubuntu-settings-desktop_1%3a14.04ubuntu6_all.deb so I imagine he means kubuntu-settings-desktop_1%3a14.04ubuntu7_all.deb :)
[16:21] <allee> or add the missing semicolon yourself to the postinst so it reads: warn() { echo "W: $1"; }
[16:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[16:30] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[16:30] <apachelogger> archive i386 builder backed up for an hour
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/ 4 languages
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> the theme still needs some work out
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> and I need to add some content
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> the language files are not 100% translated so a few things like the string "Categories" apear in english when Turkysh is selected, for example
[16:49] <genii> apachelogger, allee ...the postinst has same issue of missing semicolon
[16:49] <allee> genii: I know my example is the fixed line with the semicolon
[16:50] <genii> allee: Yes, but what I'm remarking is: I fixed the postRM file and repacked it. But dpkg -i then spit out the same problem when it then hit the same problem with the postINST file
[16:51] <allee> oh
[16:51] <allee> hmm, did you fix the postinst file too?
[16:53] <genii> allee: Now i have
[17:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: pong
[17:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: Think you can help me with SRU for kdeconnect-kde
[17:16] <Quintasan> ?
[17:16] <ScottK> Is it uploaded already?
[17:16] <Quintasan> not yet, should I specifically target saucy-proposed or it's going to land there anyways?
[17:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^
[17:46] <apachelogger> xorgedgers ppa broke muon
[17:46] <apachelogger> and I have no idea how
[17:48] <ScottK> Quintasan: Please target proposed.
[17:48] <ScottK> I think it ends up there anyway, but I'd prefer explicit.
[17:50] <apachelogger> yeah, it does go to proposed regardless
[18:15] <lars_> Why can¨t I just update my plugins with the Firefox browser tool instead of updating it with Muon?
[18:15] <lars_> I can¨t update my flash plugins or install new flash plugins using my konsole, it doesn work
[18:16] <apachelogger> i386 	10 	14782 jobs (5 days)  :O
[18:16] <BluesKaj> no quotes needed, lars_
[18:16] <lars_> I know
[18:16] <lars_> I did what you said but it didint work
[18:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think your SRU approvery has just broken all builder sfor 5 days :P
[18:17] <lars_> I saw sth got installed with Muon, but it didnt change the plugins
[18:17] <BluesKaj> did you reboot, lars_, sometimes that helps
[18:17] <lars_> the Firefox browser plugins are still the same
[18:17] <apachelogger> this ain't a support channel please
[18:17] <lars_> also, my shockwave flash plugin is out of date
[18:18] <lars_> I thought Blues had left the support channel, sorry
[18:19] <BluesKaj> lars_, let's discuss this in #kubuntu
[18:19] <lars_> ok
[18:19] <21WACA4GV> http://pastebin.com/2NFv54Pe
[18:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: Uploading
[18:21] <genii> 21WACA4GV: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6850585/
[18:22] <BluesKaj> yes 21WACA4GV, some of us have the same error , afiak it's being worked on
[18:33] <Quintasan> ScottK: Uploaded
[18:42] <apachelogger> complex update calculation/displaying is really not muon-updater's strong suit
[20:13] <mparillo> Has anybody seen a dependency issue on kubuntu-settings in today's 14.04 daily updates? http://pastebin.kde.org/p5wkbjtdg
[20:23] <genii> apachelogger: kubuntu-settings-desktop_14.04ubuntu7_all.deb ...is still problemmatic, the postrm is fixed but the postinst still needs the same change made as well
[20:25] <genii> mparillo: The postrm and postinst files for kubuntu-settings-desktop package were each missing a semicolon
[20:26] <mparillo> Thank you genii and apachelogger
[20:28] <genii> mparillo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6850585/ might be helpful for you
[20:28] <genii> mparillo: Although in this case the deb file name will have a 7 and not a 6 in it :)
[23:53] <ahoneybun> hey guys
[23:56] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[23:56] <valorie> hi, ahoneybun
[23:57] <ahoneybun> I am now running just ubuntu on my pc
[23:57]  * ahoneybun knows it is not kubuntu
[23:57] <ahoneybun> I got the / partition on my SSD
[23:57] <ahoneybun> and the swap and /home on my 1 TB HDD
[23:59] <ahoneybun> I think I am going to time the boot up
[23:59] <valorie> cool
[23:59] <ahoneybun> yofel, how are you feeling?
[23:59] <valorie> windows free, now?
[23:59] <ahoneybun> yep I said what the heck