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| pitti | Good morning | 06:09 |
|---|---|---|
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:52 |
| darkxst | hey seb128, pitti | 09:03 |
| seb128 | darkxst, hey, how are you? | 09:03 |
| darkxst | yeh good, its Friday! | 09:03 |
| seb128 | darkxst, bug #1274740 arrived for you, if you want to review/comment | 09:03 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1274740 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Re-enable traditional titlebar on 'gnome-but-not-shell' sessions too" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1274740 | 09:03 |
| pitti | hey darkxst | 09:05 |
| darkxst | seb128, these other sessions, really shouldn;t be using XDG_DESKTOP_CURRENT=GNOME | 09:05 |
| seb128 | darkxst, read the description, he's not | 09:05 |
| seb128 | oh | 09:06 |
| seb128 | he is, sorry | 09:06 |
| seb128 | I mixed both variables | 09:06 |
| darkxst | pretty much all the patches that check for that, are gnome-shell specific | 09:06 |
| darkxst | pitti, my latest idea re autopilot, would be to add g-i to libautopilot-gtk | 09:07 |
| seb128 | hey, sorry, I'm not fully awake yet, I read the DESKTOP_SESSION=cairo-dock part and parsed it as XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=cairo-dock | 09:08 |
| seb128 | commented on the bug to ask what is setting it for him there | 09:08 |
| darkxst | then inject a few lines of JS code into gnome-shell to pass of the clutter stage object that would allow the library to pass the widget tree | 09:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, new gvfs out, do you want to have a look or should I put it on my todo (just checking to not dup work) | 09:09 |
| pitti | seb128: not today, but I could on Monday | 09:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, let's see if I get to it today | 09:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, are you in Brussel yet btw? | 09:10 |
| pitti | seb128: in Leuven, at a friend of mine | 09:10 |
| seb128 | k | 09:10 |
| seb128 | have fun at fosdem this w.e ;-) | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: we'll go to Brussels Sat morning, it's just a 20-30 min ride | 09:11 |
| pitti | seb128: merci ! | 09:11 |
| pitti | darkxst: libautopilot-gtk only has a d-bus interface, so there's not a lot to add g-i for; it's just a GTK module | 09:12 |
| darkxst | pitti, point being gtk module won't work in gnome-shell | 09:12 |
| pitti | darkxst: oh, because it's not GTK? | 09:12 |
| darkxst | pitti, right, but we already determined that right? | 09:13 |
| darkxst | the GTK widgets is uses are embedded within clutter | 09:13 |
| pitti | darkxst: I thought it was using some clutter widgets with embedded GTK stuff; I didn't know it was using clutter entirely | 09:13 |
| darkxst | rather than using clutter-gtk | 09:13 |
| pitti | well, so it *does* use GTK? | 09:13 |
| pitti | darkxst: perhaps it's enough to make libautopilot-gtk's detection of top-level windows more clever, to also find these sub-trees? | 09:13 |
| darkxst | pitti, further down the widget tree | 09:14 |
| darkxst | its not possible to get at these from gtk module | 09:15 |
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| darkxst | (to get at the main clutter widget tree) | 09:15 |
| pitti | well, we don't want to | 09:15 |
| pitti | we just want the GTK subtrees | 09:16 |
| darkxst | pitti, no, shell widgets are not GTK | 09:16 |
| darkxst | only things like notification icons | 09:16 |
| pitti | well, I'm confused | 09:16 |
| darkxst | and perhaps windows | 09:16 |
| pitti | I thought you said shell are clutter widgets which at some point embed GTK widgets | 09:16 |
| pitti | and we want to get those | 09:16 |
| darkxst | pitti, we can get those but they are all random | 09:17 |
| darkxst | the main shell ui, is not GTK | 09:17 |
| pitti | darkxst: btw, if gnome-shell supports a11y, it might be possible to use dogtail/strongwind | 09:18 |
| darkxst | no idea what they are, however gnome-shell has very good a11y support I believe (well out of my area though) | 09:19 |
| darkxst | pitti, I have to pop out, be back in a bit | 09:19 |
| === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha | ||
| Laney | greetings from the train | 09:40 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, happy friday! | 09:41 |
| Laney | howdy! | 09:41 |
| seb128 | do you have a good seat? ;-) | 09:41 |
| Laney | not sure such a thing exists on this train | 09:41 |
| Laney | it's a 30 minute local ride | 09:42 |
| seb128 | I was going to say, I've been once in an eurostar and seats were a bit tight and not so nice | 09:42 |
| seb128 | oh | 09:42 |
| Laney | oh no, this isn't eurostar | 09:42 |
| Laney | i'm on the way to london | 09:42 |
| seb128 | not in the real train yet ;-) | 09:42 |
| seb128 | gotcha | 09:42 |
| Laney | going to call at bluefin i think | 09:42 |
| Laney | leave my big bag there | 09:42 |
| seb128 | you said you would do a stop at the office? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | when is your train to Brussels? | 09:42 |
| Laney | say hi to the hard-core | 09:42 |
| Laney | about 1530 | 09:42 |
| seb128 | same one as didrocks? | 09:43 |
| Laney | nod | 09:43 |
| seb128 | cool | 09:43 |
| Laney | yeah, we can get lost together :P | 09:44 |
| seb128 | I'm sure you guys can find your way ;-) | 09:45 |
| seb128 | shrug, creating an emulator instance is creating quite some IOs, my machine is becoming sloooow | 09:45 |
| cking | jodh, what machine do you have, and what is the CPU name (from /proc/cpuinfo) ? | 10:19 |
| jodh | cking: T410 - cat /proc/cpuinfo |pb => http://paste.ubuntu.com/6848656/ | 10:20 |
| cking | ta | 10:20 |
| jodh | X60h4SM3 | 10:32 |
| Laney | darkxst: After letting you share with gnome-shell I come out with http://paste.ubuntu.com/6848763/ | 10:46 |
| Laney | is that right-ish? | 10:46 |
| Laney | or if not, please give me an example and I'll see why it doesn't get included | 10:47 |
| didrocks | Laney: 1504 for me | 10:56 |
| Laney | 1. Departure: LONDON ST-PANCRAS on FR 31/01/2014 at 15:04 | 10:57 |
| Laney | yup | 10:57 |
| didrocks | ok, same one then ;) | 10:58 |
| Laney | Reserved seats: Coach: 017 NON-SMOKING Seat: 033 | 10:59 |
| didrocks | Coach 4, Seat 028 | 11:00 |
| Laney | nod | 11:00 |
| didrocks | NON SMOKING? It it still possible to smoke on eurostar? | 11:00 |
| didrocks | is* | 11:00 |
| Laney | haha, doubt it | 11:00 |
| didrocks | legacy printing, need cleaning! :) | 11:07 |
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| tjaalton | didrocks: hey, I tried to add sssd to the supported seed earlier but it didn't work.. germinate is just weird :) | 12:03 |
| tjaalton | this was maybe 2mo ago | 12:03 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: what didn't work, rebuilding the meta package? | 12:06 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: I added the package there but the germinate output didn't change | 12:08 |
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| didrocks | tjaalton: do you have your branch? | 12:09 |
| tjaalton | yes | 12:09 |
| didrocks | sssd | 1.11.3-1 | trusty/universe | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el | 12:09 |
| tjaalton | actually I pulled fresh copies now, purged the old | 12:10 |
| tjaalton | one issue is guessing where to put it | 12:11 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: just do the seed change and commit the branch | 12:11 |
| === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| tjaalton | hum, why can't I see ding-libs anywhere although it got promoted? | 12:19 |
| tjaalton | grepping through the bzr repo I mean | 12:19 |
| * Laney Has Arrived | 12:32 | |
| seb128 | Laney, where? at The Office? | 12:44 |
| Laney | yup | 12:44 |
| seb128 | nice | 12:44 |
| seb128 | just on time for lunch | 12:44 |
| seb128 | :p | 12:44 |
| Laney | ;-) | 12:44 |
| Laney | I think didrocks needs a hug | 12:45 |
| seb128 | yeah, give him an extra one from me! | 12:46 |
| seb128 | sil2100, can I convince you to give a slot for my trivial u-s-s request on l39? ;-) | 12:46 |
| * didrocks wonders if we shouldn't have silo silots that you pay for | 12:47 | |
| didrocks | thta will show how much you value your upload :p | 12:47 |
| sil2100 | seb128: ooook, so Didier allowed me to land things that are safe and non-super-impacting | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | didrocks, dont make my april fools joke from last year reality please :P | 12:49 |
| seb128 | sil2100, exactly u-s-s, it adds some autopilot tests and update the translation template, no actual code change | 12:49 |
| didrocks | ogra_: ahah, indeed! wonders if it would more effective with beers in place | 12:49 |
| didrocks | instead* | 12:49 |
| sil2100 | seb128: right, that's why I'm assigning ;) | 12:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I'm ready to pay 1 beer for that silo | 12:49 |
| seb128 | sil2100, thanks ;-) | 12:49 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 12:50 |
| * didrocks registers | 12:50 | |
| didrocks | we should have an application for that | 12:50 |
| didrocks | with beer pictures | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ogra_, I'm disappointed that the internet is not quoting your "let's do better that those nautilus suckers" | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ogra_, would be a nice friday trolling | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 12:50 |
| seb128 | didrocks, you have a project for the train ;-) | 12:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: in the train for CItrain | 12:50 |
| didrocks | to train people | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | seb128, in fact there are no reactions at all .. | 12:50 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 12:51 |
| Laney | everyone knows you by now :P | 12:51 |
| ogra_ | i guess i need to be more leannartish in the future to get any attention | 12:52 |
| seb128 | yeah | 12:52 |
| seb128 | ogra_, just for the record I plan to reply something, I just need to make my mind of what we need from a filemanager in a converged world | 12:53 |
| seb128 | ogra_, I'm unsure if "converged" is for normal "home users" or for corporates ones | 12:54 |
| ogra_ | seb128, well, the phone tablet sides will exist already ... | 12:54 |
| seb128 | e.g I wouldn't expect the same feature set from my tablet/after hours computer than the ones I need during "office hours" | 12:55 |
| ogra_ | i assume it just needs to grow a desktop mode | 12:55 |
| mlankhorst | Laney: ping :P | 12:55 |
| seb128 | well, the question is "does desktop mean stuff like handling of remote servers, nfs, etc" | 12:55 |
| mlankhorst | nm | 12:55 |
| ogra_ | well, it does today | 12:55 |
| mlankhorst | just the act of pinging makes me find the information i need | 12:55 |
| seb128 | ogra_, right, but do we need that much features for the convergence to happen? or can we do something which is good enough for 90% and tell the other ones to install e.g nemo | 12:56 |
| seb128 | or nautilus | 12:56 |
| ogra_ | seb128, i would say we shouldnt regress in features ... at least plan them | 12:57 |
| ogra_ | (i dont expect them all to be there in the first iteration anyway) | 12:58 |
| seb128 | ogra_, right, we are not likely to get "there" by next cycle | 12:58 |
| ogra_ | anyway, lets keep that on the ML | 12:58 |
| seb128 | what ml was it again? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | I can't find the email now :p | 12:59 |
| ogra_ | yours ! | 12:59 |
| seb128 | lol | 12:59 |
| ogra_ | ubuntu-desktop :) | 12:59 |
| seb128 | I was looking on the phone one | 12:59 |
| seb128 | danke | 12:59 |
| ogra_ | :) | 12:59 |
| === alan_g|dentist is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| ara | Hello! Due to some broken packages (trusty) in several PPAs (ubuntu-sdk-team, qt5-proper) my system is in an unstable state | 13:32 |
| ara | unity starts, but the launcher, the dash and indicators are not shown | 13:32 |
| ara | any ideas of potential missing packages? | 13:32 |
| seb128 | ara, hey | 13:32 |
| seb128 | ara, is it working better in a guest session? | 13:33 |
| ara | seb128, good point, let me try and I will get back | 13:33 |
| darkxst | Laney, sorry I'm out for the weekend now, but at a quick glance seems reasonable in combination with desktop-extras | 13:36 |
| ara | seb128, yes, better in guest session | 13:37 |
| seb128 | ara, better but still not good? | 13:37 |
| ara | seb128, no, better and good :) | 13:38 |
| ara | seb128, at least it looks good | 13:38 |
| seb128 | ara, run that command for your user "gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins" | 13:38 |
| ara | seb128, and restart session? | 13:39 |
| ara | seb128, ah, no, it worked! thanks! | 13:39 |
| seb128 | ara, shouldn't be needed | 13:39 |
| seb128 | yw! | 13:39 |
| ara | seb128, you are awesome! | 13:39 |
| ara | thanks a lot | 13:39 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 13:39 |
| seb128 | yw! | 13:40 |
| darkxst | Laney, there may be some things that overlap with -desktop that would make sense to have (gnome-themes-standard is one), but will get back to on monday re that | 13:43 |
| darkxst | given gnome-themes-standard provides our default theme and all | 13:44 |
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| ochosi | tedg: ping | 16:42 |
| tedg | Howdy ochosi | 16:43 |
| ochosi | tedg: hey there! | 16:44 |
| ochosi | i quickly wanted to investigate what the plan is with respect to indicators and the upstart-job transition | 16:44 |
| ochosi | we recently implemented this change in lightdm-gtk-greeter and then realized, that there are still some problems/roadblocks ahead | 16:45 |
| ochosi | we're planning a new stable release (1.8) for 14.04, so it'd be great to know what version to ship | 16:46 |
| ochosi | tedg: ^ | 16:53 |
| tedg | ochosi, So basically we're switching them from being on-demand to being session-services. | 16:55 |
| tedg | ochosi, Do you have a session manager? | 16:55 |
| ochosi | tedg: you mean in the greeter? | 16:55 |
| ochosi | tedg: if so, we usually don't | 16:56 |
| ochosi | this is how we handle them now: https://code.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter/indicators | 16:56 |
| tedg | ochosi, That should work, the code in START_INDICATOR_SERVICES | 16:57 |
| ochosi | tedg: right, i just noticed that it doesn't work with all indicators yet | 16:58 |
| === greyback|food is now known as greyback | ||
| ochosi | and there's this blueprint saying that some are still WIP | 16:58 |
| tedg | ochosi, Which one doesn't it? | 16:58 |
| ochosi | indicator-application | 16:58 |
| ochosi | (for nm-applet) | 16:58 |
| tedg | Hmm, okay. | 16:58 |
| * tedg thought we fixed it. | 16:58 | |
| tedg | I'll make sure that works. | 16:58 |
| tedg | It's a bug. | 16:59 |
| tedg | BTW, it won't start nm-applet though. | 16:59 |
| ochosi | hmkay | 16:59 |
| ochosi | i was also looking at this https://bugs.launchpad.net/libindicator/+bug/1185565 | 17:00 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1185565 in libindicator "Indicators should have Upstart jobs" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:00 |
| ochosi | application indicators seemingly hasn't had a release yet? | 17:00 |
| ochosi | tedg: also, in addition to that ^ this also made me wonder about the roadmap: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubiquity/upstart-indicators/+merge/192941 | 17:04 |
| tedg | ochosi, Yeah, I have a TODO item to make ubquity use the autostart files there. | 17:04 |
| tedg | ochosi, I need to run right now, but I'll look into it more when I get back. | 17:05 |
| ochosi | tedg: ok, ttyl then! | 17:05 |
| xnox | ochosi: tedg: ubiquity doesn't need autostart/upstart files at all, i'm looking into fixing it otherwise. | 17:08 |
| ochosi | xnox: so that comment about re-introducing dbus activation, is there a plan to switch back to that? | 17:08 |
| ochosi | sorry to ask so bluntly, but i'm a bit confused here | 17:09 |
| === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox | ||
| xnox | ochosi: no dbus activation, nor upstart jobs, nor autostart files are needed for ubiquity. | 17:21 |
| xnox | ochosi: i've discussed it with tedg in length. | 17:21 |
| xnox | ochosi: and i'm assigned to implement it. | 17:21 |
| seb128 | xnox, what are you going to use instead? | 17:26 |
| xnox | seb128: same thing the rest of ubiquity-dm uses to launch & track all other processes it launches. | 17:27 |
| seb128 | xnox, k | 17:27 |
| xnox | "ubiquity process lifecycle management" | 17:27 |
| seb128 | it's weird that ubiquity has its own management rather than using upstart | 17:29 |
| xnox | seb128: also ubiquity predates upstart. | 17:30 |
| xnox | seb128: there are no ubiquity maintainers, and we are investing as minimal effort as needed to keep it functioning. | 17:30 |
| seb128 | right, but it would be easy to make indicators job upstart managed there | 17:30 |
| xnox | seb128: only things that are priority are OEM bugs + hardware enablement. | 17:31 |
| seb128 | anyway, I didn't want to start an argument, you are the one doing the work, you get to pick what seems best to you ;-) | 17:31 |
| seb128 | yeah | 17:31 |
| xnox | seb128: =) meh =) yeah. | 17:31 |
| seb128 | I just though that using upstart jobs would be easiest option | 17:31 |
| seb128 | tell you how little I know about those things :p | 17:31 |
| ochosi | (sry, internet went out) | 17:38 |
| ochosi | seb128, xnox: so in general, all indicators *will* be ported to upstart jobs for 14.04, right? | 17:39 |
| ochosi | i just mistook that comment from the ubiquity-MR for plans to revert the switch to upstart and go back to dbus in general | 17:39 |
| xnox | ochosi: i have no idea, and none of my concern. | 17:39 |
| xnox | ochosi: other discussions, superseeded that comments of mine. | 17:39 |
| seb128 | ochosi, that's a question for ted | 17:40 |
| ochosi | xnox: ok | 17:40 |
| xnox | ochosi: i have no objections in indicators moving to everything =) | 17:40 |
| ochosi | hmm, well i just would love to have working indicators in time for 14.04 | 17:40 |
| ogra_ | move them to the laft :P | 17:40 |
| ogra_ | left | 17:40 |
| ochosi | and with feature-freeze approaching it's a bit annoying not to know what path is chosen | 17:41 |
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