[00:50] <ali1234> bigcalm: can't you get separate headphones and mic?
[00:51] <ali1234> i use the mic in my webcam... got no complaints yet
[06:56] <mapps> morning
[06:57] <diddledan> morning
[06:58] <diddledan> (no sleepy yet :-o)
[06:58] <diddledan> guess I'm working tired today :-p
[07:27] <mapps> no sleep?! lol whats your job
[07:31] <shauno> the downside of fighting crime all night, is leaving you rather pooped at the office the next day
[07:33] <mapps> lol
[07:35] <mapps> theres a documentary about those that dressup as super hereoes and patrol our streets
[07:36] <shauno> there was one in the town I used to live in in the states
[07:37] <shauno> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/mark-wayne-williams-batman_n_2078873.html
[07:38] <mapps> heh
[07:38] <mapps> not fmr me..streets are dangerous and they havent got a gun or anything
[07:39] <shauno> the funny thing is, when you hear him do interviews .. he doesn't actually come off as nuts
[07:41] <diddledan> so.. umm.. deb packaging
[07:41] <diddledan> via launchpad ppas
[07:42] <diddledan> I'm struggling to find out how to get it to build for multiple releases of ubuntu using the same package definition
[07:46] <diddledan> aah, second argument to dput?
[07:46] <diddledan> dput ppa:me/foo distro
[07:46] <mapps> yea#
[07:47]  * diddledan tries
[07:47] <mapps> what uyou packaging
[07:47] <diddledan> I need to finish working on the package first I guess :-p
[07:47] <diddledan> libgeos to provide a php binding
[07:47] <diddledan> https://github.com/phayes/geoPHP/wiki/GEOS
[07:48] <mapps> whats libgeos?
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> according to apt, "A geometry engine for GIS"
[07:48] <diddledan> yeah, that
[07:49] <diddledan> wtf? it's only 8am and stuff's just come through my door?!
[07:49] <mapps> lol
[07:49] <mapps> where do you live?! our posts like 1pm
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: what kind of stuff?
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: stuff you actually want? ;)
[07:49] <mapps> ah stuff..i assumed post
[07:50] <diddledan> no :-( boring advertisement for flooring direct to my door (should I want it)
[07:50] <diddledan> yeah, my post is usually around 1-2
[07:52] <mapps> you not worried about work? id hate to work if id had 0 sleep
[07:52] <diddledan> does apt-source allow you to pull a different release's source package?
[07:52] <diddledan> apt-get source**
[07:52] <diddledan> nah, I'll be fine :-p
[07:53] <diddledan> I've got plenty of cola
[07:53] <mapps> you work from home? guess could be ok if so
[07:53] <mapps> but in the office..ugh
[07:53] <mapps> workaholics is so good:)
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yes, it does allow that
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: if you have the appropriate deb-src line in sources.list{,.d/*}
[08:06] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:19] <knightwise> morning !  !
[08:19] <knightwise> FrrrrrrIdayyyy !
[08:20] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:20] <knightwise> how are you peeps doing today ?
[08:20] <brobostigon> my brain needs waking up.
[08:21] <brobostigon> caffine injection required.
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: tea time then?
[08:21] <brobostigon> coffee time, :)
[08:22] <brobostigon> two pebble fw updates in two days, quick working, :)
[08:23] <popey> On the way home from the London office the other day I sat next to a guy who had a pebble watch
[08:23] <popey> I got talking to him. Turns out he's an Ubuntu user.
[08:23] <brobostigon> :)
[08:23] <brobostigon> cool.
[08:23] <diddledan> popey: we're getting everywhere!
[08:24] <brobostigon> pebble users, yes, :)
[08:24] <popey> turns out he also does translations on launchpad
[08:24] <popey> so that was nice to hear
[08:24] <popey> he's a en_GB pedant
[08:24] <diddledan> \o/
[08:25] <brobostigon> maybe he can help with some of the pebble app trnslations also,
[08:25] <popey> it was funny really, i only got talking to him because i liked the look of the ipad game he was playing
[08:26] <popey> noticed he also had python and vim on his ipad
[08:26] <popey> figured he must be a geek
[08:26] <popey> So unbritish to talk to strangers on the train ☻
[08:27] <diddledan> the movie of that title tells us why it's a bad idea™
[08:28]  * knightwise is getting his note 3 tomorrow <°>
[08:30] <brobostigon> is that one of the ones thats a tablet or a phablet ?
[08:37] <SuperMatt> when you change the time of a cron job to test it during the day, it's a good idea to change it back to when it was supposed to be >.<
[08:45]  * popey bought a fan to cool down his bitcoin miners. they run a touch hot
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: lower heating bill!
[08:52] <popey> MartijnVdS: indeed! move the heat around
[09:01] <dwatkins> popey: what kind of machines are you using for that?
[09:02] <popey> usb jobbies
[09:02] <popey> not very powerful, got them cheap for a bit of fun
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> "it's the cheapest way to get a lot of fans!"
[09:08] <dwatkins> That reminds me, I need to fit fans to my TV cabinet (the NAS lives in it)
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> my NAS lives in an old kitchen cabinet I've moved into my computer room
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> I've also put it on washing machine "feet" to reduce vibration
[09:15] <jussi> Hrm, anyone know any decent/reasonable priced/nice B&B's/hotels in or around liverpool area?
[09:15] <jussi> lets say in a 50 mile radius ?
[09:16] <jussi> MartijnVdS: thats actually a very good idea, washing machine feet under the nas!
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> jussi: "decent" + "liverpool area" -> no matches found
[09:16] <jussi> MartijnVdS: nasty
[09:16] <directhex> new on linux! a game about deception! you play as the father to a suburban family, desperately hoping nobody realises you're an octopus in a suit and not a human at all. http://store.steampowered.com/app/224480/
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> directhex: w.. wut?
[09:17] <jussi> directhex: do you get to eat the people that realise?
[09:17] <directhex> jussi, how would an octopus eat people?
[09:17] <jussi> directhex: "sluuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp"
[09:17] <directhex> MartijnVdS, "Octodad: Dadliest Catch is a game about destruction, deception, and fatherhood. The player controls Octodad, a dapper octopus masquerading as a human, as he goes about his life. Octodad's existence is a constant struggle, as he must master mundane tasks with his unwieldy boneless tentacles while simultaneously keeping his cephalopodan nature a secret from his human family. "
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> directhex: it looks as if the controls work the same as in Surgeon Simulator
[09:18] <directhex> MartijnVdS, that comparison has been made in reviews!
[09:19] <jussi> MartijnVdS: mind, When I first read your statement about the NAS... it went something like: "my NSA lives in an old kitchen cabinet I've moved into my computer room"
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://i.imgur.com/96UJIIo.png
[09:21] <diddledan> lol
[09:21] <diddledan> fools
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> jussi: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Washing-Machine-Anti-Vibration-Feet-x-4-for-appliances-dampers-/190549284550 <-- I've used feet like those
[09:22] <knightwise> anyone going to fosdem in need of a cheap dataplan for the weekend ?
[09:22] <knightwise> 15 euros for 2 gigs ?
[09:23]  * MartijnVdS waits for the "Roaming in Europe costs exactly the same as using your phone at home" thing the EU is pushing
[09:23]  * awilkins goes RARR because Empathy doesn't support proxies
[09:23] <jussi> MartijnVdS: I have a set of those in the cupboard
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: but proxies would confuse people! they're extra configuration settings!
[09:23] <shauno> oh hell yeah.  I'm currently on "costs exactly the same as at home .. for the first 25Mb.  then we'll get you!"
[09:24] <jussi> shauno: ouch
[09:24] <jussi> I have a nice one that allows me to have unlimited in Nordic countries, but anywhere else you get slogged
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Mine is currently "You get 35MB/day for €2, and €max/kb after that"
[09:24] <awilkins> I have a desire to implement a super-proxy that just provides a proxy that understands the heck out of every proxy config out there and just provides a local proxy server that stupid apps can grok
[09:24] <jussi> awilkins: a proxy for a proxy?
[09:24] <awilkins> IE super-proxy knows NTLM/SSPI and PAC scripts and all that jazz
[09:25] <awilkins> jussi,
[09:25] <jussi> awilkins: :D
[09:25] <awilkins> Yeah, the main problem is that I have a PAC script, and all the OS does is hand the URL of the script to the app that asks for system proxy config
[09:25] <awilkins> Which is fine for browsers
[09:25] <shauno> I'm fighting with that at the moment.  an app that doesn't grok NTLM, but also refuses to use any alternative methods provided by the same proxy
[09:25] <awilkins> But virtually nothing else understands PAC scripts or NTLM
[09:26] <popey> jussi: i stayed in base2stay in the centre of liverpool for oggcamp
[09:26] <popey> jussi: booked through booking.com
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> booking.com has useful reviews usually
[09:29] <popey> yeah, Dave2 and I got the "last room" (we ended up with a room each)
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Chinese New Year! :-D
[09:33] <popey> 新年好
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: gesundheit
[09:33] <diddledan> lol
[09:35] <JamesTait> popey, that looks different to what I was looking at last night.
[09:46] <jussi> thanks popey, Ill have a look there.
[09:46] <jussi> Might be worth while waiting for the booking, as the football that weekend just got cancelled and I guess some of the places might get cancellations
[09:49] <Laney> wow
[09:49] <Laney> this train conductor knows all of the platforms for everybody's changes
[10:17] <directhex> ooh, a linux port is coming for multi-award-winning eastern european bureaucracy simulator Papers Please
[10:19] <jussi> directhex: that sounds.... scary?
[10:20] <directhex> http://store.steampowered.com/app/239030/
[10:23] <diddledan> dpkg-buildpackage -S <-- it's complaining about : gpg: cancelled by user
[10:24] <diddledan> i.e. it's not asking me for my password
[10:25] <shauno> re: "papers, please"; I'll admit, I don't get it
[10:27] <diddledan> how do I get gpg-agent to know what my password should be?
[10:27] <diddledan> (commandline)
[10:27] <diddledan> it's a network box I'm working on, so no gui
[10:28] <twager> Anyone tell me if the Nokia Lumia mobiles mount as a block device in Linux ?
[10:28] <bashrc> I did add a gpg section to a cheat command a while ago
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manuals/gnupg/Agent-Configuration.html ?
[10:30] <diddledan> yeah, so that doesn't help
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> I guess you just decrypt/sign something. Then the agent will ask for your passphrase, then the key is loaded?
[10:33] <diddledan> but I'm already trying to sign something via dpkg-buildpackage
[10:34] <diddledan> it's supposed to prompt for a password according to docs
[10:34] <diddledan> but it ain't doing it
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: do you have a "pinentry" like directive in gnupg.conf?
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: which is set to something sensible
[10:34] <diddledan> no idea. it's an out-of-the-box ubuntu 12.04.3 server
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: yeah, you need to read a bit about configuring gnupg-agent then :)
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it's not as plug&play as you'd hope :(
[10:43] <Laney> screaming train child of woe
[10:48] <jussi> this is an interesting 3D thing kinda like second life: http://www.meshmoon.com/ - based on opensource (realxtend). The web client uses webgl and websockets. its pretty cool stuff :)
[11:13] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I'm not sure what fixed it but after logging out and back-in the password prompt works
[11:14] <diddledan> I think it was a combo-meal of installing pinentry-curses (as opposed to the already installed -gtk2 version) and logging-out and in
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: cool!
[11:20] <foobarry> firefox smooth scrolling is anything but
[11:20] <foobarry> text rippage more like
[11:22] <diddledan> it's old, but I just rediscovered it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXV-yaFmQNk
[11:36] <foobarry> anyone used MS terminal services gateway?
[11:37] <foobarry> need a rdp over https solution
[11:41] <diplo> not used the TS gateway, we used to use a Cisco ASA to do a https solution, worked quite well ( can't remember the exact set up though )
[12:04] <diddledan> ooh, I forgot we made that "live": http://mitocare.be/
[12:05] <diddledan> yey for the belgish
[12:05] <diddledan> with their flemmy-speak
[12:05] <diddledan> (nederlands)
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> Fleghmish
[12:48] <diddledan> buggy licious: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geos/+bug/1274916
[12:49] <diddledan> ppa licious: https://launchpad.net/~diddledan/+archive/libgeos
[13:01] <daftykins> hey guys, i forget where it was but did anyone else read that all A.M. broadcast is being switched off?
[13:02] <foobarry> no
[13:02] <foobarry> one day i expect , a rolling traget of 5 years?
[13:02] <daftykins> but the BBC definitely started doing it right?
[13:02] <daftykins> i read somewhere a while back that they'd begun doing it to see if anyone noticed
[13:02] <foobarry> all football fans everywhere
[13:03] <foobarry> they would notice
[13:03] <DJones> daftykins: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/nov/09/bbc-criticised-closing-medium-wave-radio
[13:03] <daftykins> DJones: ty sir
[13:04] <DJones> Seems to say that it won't be done in the near future after complaints
[13:04] <daftykins> indeedy
[13:04] <foobarry> http://www.wimp.com/travelsworld/
[13:04] <foobarry> brilliant
[13:06] <daftykins> so many of those kindsa things nwo
[13:06] <daftykins> *now
[13:06] <foobarry> rather them than me
[13:07] <daftykins> yeah
[13:07] <foobarry> i hope he got time to enjoy the places
[13:07] <daftykins> looks like he could be arsen's brother :D
[13:07] <foobarry> they are always good looking people
[13:07] <foobarry> remember the one being led by his hot girlfriends hand?
[13:08] <daftykins> nope
[13:08] <foobarry> the firefox home page search bar never works
[13:09] <daftykins> huh? part of the UI or the actual google search box?
[13:09] <foobarry> the about:startpage
[13:09] <foobarry> which is the default firefox home page
[13:09] <daftykins> that page doesn't exist in mine
[13:09] <foobarry> version?
[13:09] <daftykins> 26
[13:10] <foobarry> me too
[13:10] <daftykins> tried a clean profile?
[13:10] <foobarry> nope
[13:10] <daftykins> entering about:startpage doesn't work
[13:10] <foobarry> weird
[13:10] <daftykins> i've definitely seen the result you describe, typing in works but hitting enter would do nothing
[13:10] <foobarry> yeah
[13:11] <daftykins> but now i just have an orange 'Firefox' with small logo where the certificate info usually is - and an empty address field
[13:11] <foobarry> hmm
[13:11] <foobarry> sample size of 2 doesnt' tell us who's got the problem. but i think its me
[13:11] <daftykins> i'm on Windows mind
[13:11] <foobarry> :-o
[13:11] <daftykins> (shh don't tell them)
[13:12] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sh74tyvfzxk5fbh/ff.png
[13:12] <daftykins> is that what you see?
[13:12] <foobarry> yes
[13:12]  * foobarry waits for a buntu user
[13:12]  * foobarry eats some chocolate
[13:13] <daftykins> *boots VM*
[13:13] <daftykins> only got 13.10 mind
[13:14] <arsen> hi
[13:14] <daftykins> he's alive!
[13:14] <daftykins> arsen that guy is your long lost brother
[13:14] <daftykins> how do sir?
[13:15] <arsen> good thanks
[13:15] <arsen> apparently i'm a goodlooking traveller?
[13:15] <daftykins> lol yes
[13:15] <arsen> i do like to travel.
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Traveler ?
[13:16] <daftykins> i'd be somewhat less suspicious of arsen trying to groom Wesley Crusher if he were him
[13:16] <daftykins> :P
[13:16] <arsen> whaaatt
[13:16] <daftykins> Star Trek character
[13:17] <arsen> yeah i got that reference - i have a small star trek watching past
[13:17] <daftykins> ah ok
[13:17] <daftykins> well he was a bit suspect with Wesley of course
[13:17] <daftykins> ;D
[13:17] <daftykins> (shut up Wesley!)
[13:18] <DJones> As he faded in and out .... Oooh-Er
[13:19] <DJones> Seem to remember there was an episode where the traveller kept phasing in & out of time
[13:19] <DJones> Or was that another character
[13:20] <foobarry> arggh ubuntu one hasn't been updating
[13:21] <daftykins> hmm not sure
[13:21] <foobarry> State: AUTH_FAILED
[13:21] <diddledan> gotta love dr bev crusher's last words to wesley as he leaves with the traveler: "you've gotta keep warm on those other plains of existance" (or similar, as she wraps him in a jumper)
[13:21] <daftykins> foobarry: hmm v26 on saucy worked fine, i typed in 'test' and hit enter
[13:22] <daftykins> diddledan: ;)
[13:22] <arsen> sorry, distracted - someone just delivered two dozen krispy kremes to my desk
[13:22] <diddledan> oh.. emm.. gee..\
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> arsen: poidh
[13:22] <diddledan> krispy kremes is unfair
[13:23] <foobarry> and not that nice
[13:23] <diddledan> true
[13:23] <diddledan> better than nowt?
[13:23] <foobarry> i have chocolate
[13:23] <arsen> ill send pic to daftykins for confirmation
[13:23] <foobarry> of good looks?
[13:23] <diddledan> <3 chocolate
[13:24] <arsen> gurth, foobarry
[13:24] <arsen> apparently we have a shipment of M&S chocolate rounds incoming too
[13:24] <arsen> this is going to be a terrible afternoon of riding the sugar rollercoaster
[13:26] <arsen> daftykins  are you not on whatsapp? (i dont blame you)
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> u wotsapp, m8
[13:26] <dwatkins> !u
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/u-wot-m8
[13:27] <dwatkins> ah yes
[13:27] <daftykins> arsen: yeah i'm on it sir
[13:27] <arsen> if only there were an insta-upload-generate-a-link app for iphone that i actually had
[13:28] <foobarry> o365 kills firefox in an instant
[13:28] <daftykins> arsen: perhaps you only have an old UK # for me?
[13:28] <BigRedS> Eurgh. Apache seems to have had some peciliar ideas in 2.4.6. Or at least the debian maintainers have :(
[13:28] <dwatkins> I thought that was exactly what imgur's app did, arsen
[13:29] <arsen> probably does - i tried to install a caveat in the statement, hinting if anyone knew of one :p
[13:29] <dwatkins> also, dropbox
[13:29] <arsen> pah not a fan of dropbox
[13:29] <arsen> its too "happy"
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> arsen: you want a Gothbox?
[13:30] <dwatkins> so there are many apps, you just don't like them ;)
[13:30] <daftykins> krispy kreme situation confirmed
[13:30] <daftykins> arsen tells truths!
[13:30] <dwatkins> Emobox
[13:30] <arsen> :D
[13:30] <daftykins> arsen: is that a packet of HP brown sauce to the right of your HP mouse?
[13:30] <daftykins> :>
[13:30] <daftykins> s/packet/sachet/
[13:31] <arsen> its not my desk, technicaly - i put them on a colleagues
[13:31] <daftykins> ah :D
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: HP Brown sauce, isn't that what you get when you mix up deskjet cartridges? :)
[13:31] <arsen> he be away.
[13:31] <ali1234> actually if you mix together a lot of inkjet ink, you get purple
[13:32] <ali1234> don't ask why i know this
[13:32] <daftykins> aww do tell
[13:40] <arsen> THAT's my desk :)
[13:41] <diplo> BigRedS: all vhost files need to end in .conf afaik, it searches for that afaik
[13:41] <arsen> still nothing particularly thrilling
[13:41] <diplo> Same on centos
[13:48] <BigRedS> diplo: yeah that's the stupid thing
[13:48] <BigRedS> makes no sense: http://avi.co/s/apacheconf.png
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: look in sites-enabled
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> oh wait you're doing that
[13:50] <arsen> i stopped using apache in favour of lighttpd to try and get some consistency in vhost setup - every apache version seems to have a different way of doing things :<
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it does make sense: you say "ensite avi", it starts looking for "avi.conf", can't find it. Then you rename "avi" to "avi.conf", and then a2ensite van see it
[13:52] <BigRedS> but up until Wheezy if I did a2ensite avi it'd link the file named 'avi'
[13:52] <BigRedS> I don't get what's fixed by not doing that any more
[13:52] <BigRedS> why would I have files in sites-enabled that I don't want apache to parse?
[13:52] <diplo> Ah right, malformed files.. or having .old's being enabled
[13:52] <diplo> I test on sites and disable them by mv site.conf to site.disabled
[13:52] <diplo> So it's good in my use case
[13:53] <BigRedS> why not just use a2ensite/a2dissite?
[13:53] <diplo> Not on CentOS and other distros, that's Ubuntu/Debian? specific
[13:53] <diplo> I use ubuntu for mine, but work still use centos
[13:53] <arsen> ^
[13:53] <BigRedS> oh, yeah, this is a Debian thing
[13:54] <arsen> another confusing thing - tools seem to not be shared globally.
[13:54] <BigRedS> well, different distros set things up differently. And RH tends to get it wrong :)
[13:54] <diplo> CentOS looks for .confs as well, so that seems standardised so I guess the debian guys followed suit
[13:54] <diplo> arsen: +1 it sucks
[13:55] <arsen> yeah, sadly i've spent my last few years flipping between debian, ubuntu, centos, suse, gentoo etc - so i gave up in the end :(
[13:56] <diplo> I do a2ensite first off on most distros and then when it doesn't work I remember to do the rest
[13:56] <diplo> Also /etc/apache2 and centos /etc/httpd :/
[13:56] <BigRedS> /etc/httpd/conf no less
[13:56] <foobarry> how do i unlink with someone on linkedin?
[13:57] <arsen> yeah that too diplo .. heh
[13:57] <diplo> Write scripts, I have to allow for more cases of paths.. and centos doesn't have sites-avai and sites-ena
[13:57] <BigRedS> because there's also logs under/etc just to make greppng a bit more of an arse
[13:57] <diplo> I could of course make them
[13:57] <arsen> combined with new and old distro versions - you get init.d, service httpd, service apache2 etcetc
[13:57] <diplo> sound like old mean moaning :D
[13:57] <foobarry> ah found it
[13:57] <diplo> heh, at least I know it's not just me complaining to myself about these things :)
[13:58] <BigRedS> well, computers are supposed to make things easier. I think it's fair to moan when they make things harder.
[13:58] <BigRedS> that's what twitter's for, isn't it?
[13:59] <diplo> heh
[14:00] <arsen> pretty much BigRedS - my twitter account exists for complaining primarily.
[14:00] <arsen> whatcha upto daftykins ?
[14:03] <diddledan> I can't remember the last time I twatted
[14:05] <daftykins> arsen: ah been tethered to the house from Wednesday through to this morning whilst having a new boiler fitted, got jobs to go to but it's raining so i'm debating going :D
[14:05] <daftykins> none are urgent
[14:05] <arsen> :)
[14:05] <arsen> not been whisked up in the cryptocoin wave yet?
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> dogecoin?
[14:06] <daftykins> might be down to my lack of understanding, but i thought we'd passed the main peak of things
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: for now, probably
[14:07] <daftykins> and all methods to obtain seem to be wrought with cost-defeating issues
[14:07] <Myrtti> dunning-krugerrands </3
[14:10] <arsen> well we've passed about 50 peaks
[14:11] <arsen> its creating a new financial industry, its not a craze that hits off - BTC is going for years solidly now
[14:11] <Myrtti> I refrain from making comments
[14:17] <foobarry> sometimes being correct isn't sufficient when everybody else is doing it ;P
[14:17]  * foobarry remembers the dotcom buble
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: doesn't mean you can't get rich off it ;)
[14:19] <daftykins> heh
[14:19] <ali1234> somebody needs to do a mash up of kim dotcom and michael buble
[14:20] <Myrtti> my own personal and in no way connected with the possible opinion(s) of others, real persons or entities, is that I wish that people would try to get rich with their chosen dunning-krugerrands somewhere else than on freenode.
[14:21] <Myrtti> *opinion
[14:21] <ali1234> i don't understand why freenode allows all those shady exchanges to run channels
[14:21] <ali1234> a lot of them are blatantly illegal
[14:21] <Myrtti> and beyond saying that, I won't explain or go into detail, or speculate.
[14:22] <Myrtti> for obvious reasons
[15:00] <arsen> Myrtti  - yes - the crypto community is full of tards and its definitely having an impact on freenode.
[15:47] <DC-D> thats the one
[16:09] <cocoa117> how do you show all the routing tables for the local machine? i know ip route show table local shows the all the routing rules for the local table.
[16:09] <cocoa117> how do i list all the available tables?
[16:10] <ali1234> route -n
[16:24] <cocoa117> ali1234, that's only for main table isn't?
[16:26] <dwatkins> ali1234: they look pretty similar: http://hastebin.com/ranehofelo.txt
[18:57] <daftykins> ugh, clients iMac still spamming raw postscript to her printer mid-job
[18:57] <daftykins> and said iMac has frozen once more also
[19:14] <shauno> I thought printers like postscript :)
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: proper printers do ;) But see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdspOtgciQ
[19:19] <daftykins> shauno: seems this one likes to have a hissy fit
[19:21] <shauno> I believe it's also traditional for printers to have hissy fits.  see: "PC Load Letter", "lp0 on fire", etc
[19:26] <daftykins> :D
[19:26] <daftykins> they're on holiday this coming week so i shall disassemble the iMac and do a thermal paste re-do i think
[19:27] <daftykins> plus check any ducts/vents what not for dust
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[19:27] <shauno> heh, you're a braver man than I.  I don't open them for anything less than an autopsy
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> today's trusty = no GTK theme in Chrome/QT apps?
[19:28] <daftykins> shauno: i did an SSD upgrade in this one last year :)
[19:29] <daftykins> i have the suction cup for the glass!
[19:29] <daftykins> shauno: https://www.dropbox.com/s/a6sdd47qxbhfpf6/IMG_20130315_165142.jpg
[19:29] <daftykins> simples ;)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: is that SSD just.. hanging there?
[19:29] <daftykins> double-sided tape sir!
[19:29] <shauno> I've seen that done with a toilet plunger before.  which may seem particularly apt when you're half way through the process
[19:29] <daftykins> well, sticky pads actually
[19:29] <daftykins> XD
[19:30] <daftykins> you have to stand the glass up safely somewhere to avoid dust contamination on the inside
[19:32] <shauno> completely off-topic, but I have to grump; paying $60 for a game, and then having to find a crack for it before you can use it.  not cool.
[19:32] <daftykins> my Apple employee mate says i should reinstall to resolve the freezes
[19:32] <daftykins> crack!? why-so?
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that's worse than Windows!
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: there it's just "Oh reboot and it'll be fine"
[19:32] <shauno> it wants the DVD in the drive.  my dvdrom is in a drawer somewhere
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> Apple? Reinstall, it'll be fine
[19:33] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: haha it's not official advice, i did this SSD install and a clean Mavericks install myself
[19:33] <daftykins> shauno: can't you feed the code into Steam and play discless? :>
[19:33] <daftykins> assuming it's such a title
[19:33] <shauno> it's not such a title :(
[19:33] <daftykins> aww
[19:45] <daftykins> Fight Club 2 on the way
[19:45] <daftykins> 0o
[20:10] <shauno> one I saw floating around recently, scenes from fight club with tyler edited out
[20:10] <daftykins> 0o
[20:11] <shauno> http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/1vmqwl/fight_club_with_tyler_durden_digitally_removed/
[20:12] <shauno> oddly, it appears I'm banned from vimeo, so I can't see it atm
[20:12] <shauno> ohh, interesting.  they're blocking the referrer.  if you just hit refresh it's fine.  iiiiinteresting
[20:16] <daftykins> haha
[20:16] <daftykins> ty sir
[20:47] <bigcalm> Very clever
[21:41] <shauno> how on earth is it 9pm already? sorcery!
[21:43] <diddledan> it's not, it's nearly 10pm
[21:46] <shauno> shouldn't you be comatose?
[21:47] <popey> i should pack
[21:47] <daftykins> more jetsetting for popey!?
[21:47] <popey> a bit
[21:48] <shauno> fosdem?
[21:48] <popey> nah, company sprint
[21:52] <shauno> I need to have a word with Spotify.  it's suggesting The Mamas & The Papas :(
[21:53] <shauno> slightly uncomfortable when the computer guesses I'm 50
[21:54] <diddledan> you mean you're not?
[22:01] <mapps> bourne supremacy on tv
[22:01] <mapps> ;]
[22:03] <diddledan> which one was that?
[22:03] <mapps> 2nd i think
[22:11] <diddledan> does anybody have any strong opinions on haxe? I'm wondering whether it could become a language to unify all my development under
[22:12] <diddledan> I like that the same language compiles to native code and php and javascript with no changes
[23:18] <shauno> is mono still a thing?
[23:26] <diddledan> shauno: yeah
[23:27] <popey> shauno: yeah, loads of games use it
[23:27] <diddledan> shauno: go-mono.smth
[23:27] <diddledan> .net?
[23:27] <diddledan> aah, they moved: http://mono-project.com/
[23:28] <shauno> hm.  it feels oddly abandoned on osx
[23:29] <diddledan> the parent company spun out of the dying days of novell/suse have a commercial monoTouch and monoAndroid (now renamed after the company Xamarin)
[23:29] <popey> used in unity3d for example on windows/osx/ios/android/wii/playstation/xbox/linux
[23:29] <diddledan> that's at http://xamarin.com/
[23:30] <diddledan> yeah unity3d relies on it extensively
[23:31] <diddledan> aparently microsoft are a customer of xamarin?
[23:31] <popey> unsurprising
[23:31] <diddledan> why would microsoft need to buy tech that reimplements something they invented?
[23:31] <popey> they didnt implement it on xbox did they?
[23:31] <popey> or windows phone?
[23:32] <shauno> hm, I wonder if I can figure out what version of mono that uses
[23:35] <diddledan> why do I have tom jones singing it's not unusual in my head right now?
[23:35] <diddledan> oh god, and now I've just gone onto visuals of carlton (fresh prince) dancing
[23:36] <diddledan> I'm a sick sick son of a.
[23:41] <shauno> ooh, monodoc actually runs.  so maybe it's not completely broken
[23:43] <mapps> hm
[23:44] <mapps> think il watch one of the narnia films tonight
[23:44] <mapps> ;]