[05:06] morning [05:31] morning all [05:31] happy friday to you [05:54] o/ hi oom Kilos, mazal [05:54] lo nuvolari [05:54] hi mazal [05:56] good morning [05:56] morning inetpro [05:56] Kilos: hi [05:56] btw, those guys were both right yesterday [05:57] * inetpro went to read the thread again [05:57] I just don't know what kloterij means [05:57] thats why i felt bad i spose [05:57] nor me [05:58] but not good methinks [05:58] anyway, you still get 100% for trying to help [05:58] it must mean messup [05:59] i asked others to help him but no one did [05:59] * Kilos cries [05:59] we're not an official support channel [06:00] oh [06:00] hi superfly [06:01] Morning guys [06:14] hi Kilos [06:20] Kilos: we are all just locked up together on this channel sharing common interests yearning for freedom and belonging, each one with his own unique circumstances and challenges [06:20] what we need to try and do is to find and work together towards a common goal [06:20] oh my [06:21] otherwise we'll just loose more users [06:21] i really thought this was the za help channel [06:21] like when i started everyone helped me [06:24] so i been trying to help out because you okes are so busy [06:24] which is all fine [06:24] but nobody is paid to give support and you can't sue anyone for giving wrong advise [06:25] lol [06:25] advice* [06:26] obviously everyone helps where he can [06:26] but ultimately the official support is somewhere else [06:27] is there an official za report channel? [06:28] we are then the za loco [06:28] you also pay for official support [06:28] oh [06:31] well i hope i didnt chase those guys away. [06:34] Kilos: there's nothing wrong with helping people, just keep doing it [06:36] man i dont know enough [06:37] i can only do basic stuff [06:38] hi bduk1 [06:38] Goodmorning Kilos and everyone [06:42] Oom Kilos , hou mail dop. Ek het 'n tricky probleem gestuur [06:42] ai! [06:44] haha mazal what folder is it and what is the path to it [06:44] It is an old backup [06:45] rsync backup? [06:45] or deja dup [06:45] That one was a manual copy and paste that created it. But now during daily rsync , rsync says it can't read that folder [06:45] Which causes problems to my whole rsync process [06:46] the whole backup folder or just one in it? [06:46] I don't need that folder at all anymore , but I can't get the thing removed [06:46] It has a long path with full off empty folders [06:46] i would chown it [06:46] It's NTFS , linux permissions don't work on it [06:47] ntfs locked maybe [06:47] You think I must try delete it in windoze ? [06:47] you can but thats no fun [06:48] that would be easier though if you have a win machine to use [06:48] Die werk het baie [06:48] i would still try chown that one folder [06:48] last resort chown -R [06:48] k gonna try chown quick , hang on [06:48] make sure you have the path right [06:50] i actually chowned my whole external so buntu be the boss [06:51] Owner already correct ( my user ) [06:51] But did chown -R anyway , didn't help [06:52] Morning ubuntu-za [06:52] hi mazal [06:52] Morning Golynx [06:53] you cant right click on the folder and remove to trash or tick it and use shift and delete key [06:53] Doesn't work , already tried [06:53] hi Kilos [06:53] hi Golynx [06:53] That's when I get the error " Directory not empty " [06:53] sjoe mazal [06:53] try renaming it [06:54] And I even tried with gksudo as well [06:54] and make a new folder for your backup [06:54] Kilos i'm now in the fresh install of ubuntu. My data and all the Archives programs from the old one was on the dvd. [06:55] great [06:55] be careful of chown [06:55] Can rename it , still can't delete it [06:55] Just an issue with gdebi now :/ [06:56] what Golynx ? [06:56] sudo aptitude reinstall gdebi [06:56] It does'nt auto detect the dependencies of packages, it only installs the one .deb [06:57] It always wana go online for the dependencies [06:57] you have your archives on dvd right [06:57] Yes [06:57] copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives/ [06:58] thats where the packages reside [06:58] I tried that, but in synaptic nothing shows of those packages being installed [06:58] i find it easier to drag drop them to desktop first [06:58] then use rsync to put them in archives folder [06:59] it wont untill you do sudo apt-get update [06:59] Did an update that was only 3MB [07:00] first move all those packages to desktop [07:00] forget synaptic for now [07:00] ok [07:04] I did the "2.1. Installing via the command line" part of this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI. But when i reboot the graphics card is still Unknown [07:04] are the packages on desktop? [07:05] forget everything else [07:06] Yes [07:06] ok now in terminal [07:07] sudo rsync -av ~/Desktop/folder name/ /var/cache/apt/archives/ [07:07] i hope all packages are in one folder [07:08] Should i put all the packages in a folder , not just on the desktop [07:08] yes all in one folder, i call mine precise [07:09] Ok done [07:10] ok then sudo rsync -av ~/Desktop/precise/ /var/cache/apt/archives/ [07:11] sent 348504797 bytes received 5968 bytes 19914900.86 bytes/sec [07:11] total size is 348487317 speedup is 1.00 [07:11] sudo apt-get update [07:11] ok [07:13] done? [07:14] Its still updating ,slow net :) [07:14] ah [07:15] at the end you will see it says reading packages list [07:15] thats whats then in /archives/ [07:15] Fetched 1 622 kB in 3min 23s (7 981 B/s) [07:15] Reading package lists... Done [07:16] ok [07:17] first open synaptic and go edit preferences [07:17] goo morning [07:17] hi magespawn [07:17] Btw when installed ubuntu it said "Reinstall Ubuntu" , thats why i see some old settings are still here [07:17] hi magespawn [07:17] ok [07:18] sorry settings preferences [07:18] hi Kilos Golynx [07:18] ok i'm there [07:19] under files [07:19] tick leave all in cache [07:19] then close synaptic [07:19] then sudo apt-get upgrade [07:19] Was already ticked [07:19] hi Vince-0 [07:20] good [07:21] that will still ask me Y/n right ? [07:22] ya [07:22] see how much it wants to download [07:22] Need to get 47,9 MB/54,7 MB of archives. [07:22] if its lots you didnt save all the packages [07:23] can you do it? [07:23] it will install lotsa stuff [07:23] Stuff i dont need aswell [07:24] Not now, only on the 15th Feb [07:24] no man [07:24] what dont you need [07:24] make a list [07:25] gimp,opera , thunderbird kind of stuff [07:25] gwibber thunderbird firefox [07:25] then do sudo aptitude remove gimp thunderbird and the rest [07:25] opera is your browser [07:26] No i still want opera and gimp, just dont want them upgraded [07:27] remove thunderbird then [07:27] its lots of data [07:27] just dont remove stuff it needs [07:28] ubuntu i mean not thunderbird [07:29] moaning [07:29] hi liamT [07:30] hi liamT [07:31] Kilos why is'nt the packages in archives installed [07:31] what were they [07:31] just your extra apps? [07:32] or everything [07:32] Sup! [07:32] nother day Vince-0 [07:32] man why are MTN such complete asshats [07:32] The one's that were sync'ed there [07:32] they truely dont know what the hell they are doing [07:34] ok Golynx open update manager and see what the large downloads are [07:34] dont just strat unticking [07:34] start [07:34] look first [07:35] i gotta go let sheep out quick [07:35] wbb [07:39] what are the big ones Golynx ? [07:39] It says 88,2 MB in update manager [07:40] you can untick all thunderbird firefox gwibber [07:40] thats because of the kernels too i spose [07:40] i see linux kernel headers 3.2 at 38MB and 11 MB [07:40] you dint have them saved for some reason [07:40] dont do anything [07:40] tell me what else is there [07:41] apt-get dont upgrade kernels [07:41] look what made up the other 40 m [07:42] 47.9m that is [07:42] Other smaller things , like unity stuff and printing stuff and nvidia stuff [07:42] Fraaday, Kilos. How's paradise treating you [07:42] you dall small? [07:43] good ty Vince-0 [07:43] and you? [07:43] Update manager says 88.2MB [07:43] thats with the kernels yes [07:43] is everything else small [07:44] apt-get dont upgrade kernels , what is it for ? [07:45] everything else [07:45] the important working stuff [07:45] Yes , just the kernels thats big [07:46] its 131 updates [07:47] sigh then you didnt sync them all before reinstalling [07:47] they are all important upgrades [07:47] well see if you can still keep working without upgrading them [07:48] then on the 15th do them [07:49] and after every upgrade do sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ ~/Desktop/precise/ [07:49] then you lose nothing [07:49] I never did an upgrade since i started ubuntu, and everything worked before [07:50] you have just installed from the dvd again right? [07:50] Yes [07:50] so you are back where you first started [07:51] remember all the arguments about upgrading [07:51] we are back there again [07:52] I want the saved packages to be reinstalled again without me downloading them [07:52] ok then open the folder on desktop [07:53] and right click what you want to install and open with gdebi [07:53] and i should remove the stuff there in Archives [07:53] no [07:54] they serve no perpose without the lock icon on them [07:54] if you remove them it will want to download them from scratch [07:54] forget the lock icon man [07:55] if i install the same package from the desktop thats already in archives but not installed that will conflict [07:55] no [07:56] you could also open /archives/ and do the same thing [07:56] from desktop is just quicker [07:58] I try installing with gdebi then it lists the dependencies in Detials, when i click install it wants to get them from the web instead of the folder where they are in [07:59] are you sure they are in there [07:59] i dont think so [08:00] Kilos ubuntu is downloading stuff now i dont know what [08:00] its already at 20 MB [08:00] eish [08:01] Did you previously install stuff from added ppa's ? If so you'll need to add those ppa's again and do apt-get update again first [08:01] are you sure all the dependancies were saved in archives? [08:01] ty mazal [08:02] And it might also be that his apt archives settings was on the default of deleting everything older than 30 days. So when he made the backup some stuff might already been deleted. ( depending on his backup procedures ) [08:03] i got him to tick leave all packages in archives [08:04] But how does his 20archive in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d look ? If that is still set to delete older than 30 days won't it still delete it ? [08:04] Is the first thing I always do is to go change that default to all zeros [08:05] good morning [08:05] charl_: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "ask charl_ what is a kloterij?" 12 hours, 13 minutes and 20 seconds ago [08:05] Maaz: coffee on [08:05] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:05] hi charl_ [08:05] hi inetpro [08:06] how's it going [08:07] gi Golynx [08:07] *hi [08:07] mazal there is no extra ppa's in Update manager [08:07] hi charl_ [08:08] Golynx, I have a feeling you did backup of archives after some of them was deleted already [08:08] hi charl_ [08:08] I had to disconnect else whatever is downloading will eat all my data [08:09] Coffee's ready for charl_! [08:09] and possibility b is that some packages simply updated after the backup was made. Also very possible. [08:09] mazal i erased ubuntu yesterday and installed again [08:09] Maaz: thanks [08:09] charl_: Sure [08:10] from the time that dvd was made there have been a couple of updates [08:11] And I would strongly suggest to either a. Backup the apt cache every day , or b. Disable the option that delete archives older than 30 days [08:11] When i first installed the dvd the update was 16MB . Now i installed ubuntu again its 3MB [08:12] I only started using ubuntu 30 days ago i think [08:14] I installed Ubuntu-tweak and added its dependencies with it in a folder. Strange that installed. [08:27] ai! [08:36] shades of deja vu inetpro ? [08:43] mazal, daar is antwoorde op jou pos [08:43] Het gesien dankie oom. Ek wag net vir die huidige rsync backup om klaar te maak dan gaan ek van dit try. Kannie nou reboot of die drive uittrek nie [08:45] laat weet wat werk [08:45] daai livecd is n plan dink ek [08:47] ai, i have to download everything again. That archives thing dont work [08:50] Kilos i'm gona remove the sync'd packages that were put there from desktop. Only installed packages belongs in archives [08:51] when you get to your next install dont cry [08:51] Kilos, I'm gonna try your idea of trying to delete it in Windoze first. I think you onto something with the NTFS lock [08:52] ? [08:52] Daai folder [08:52] ek hoop so [08:53] It does'nt make sense to have for example, "Abiword" in the archives when its not installed in synaptic [08:54] forget making sense [08:55] hi Xethron [08:55] those archives when synced will save you lots of data when you need to install again [08:56] and the space used is minimal and it dont slow down your pc [08:56] hmm , i just wanted to install them offline so i dont have to download them again [08:56] But they are not installed [08:57] Why wont gdebi for example install them [08:59] because there are updates needed that werent on that dvd [08:59] dependancies [09:00] now if those dependancies were in the archives gdebi would install without downloading anything [09:01] I got 315 packages mixed with their dependencies in the archives now [09:03] For example xubuntu-desktop. I got all its depencies but gdebi wana download them instead [09:03] did you sudo apt-get update after putting the packages there [09:04] Yes [09:04] then use synaptic to install [09:04] hopefully that will see what you got [09:05] ok , i will go offline to try that [09:05] you mustnt start getting stuff and the dependancies and saving them in your own way [09:05] use the archives to save everything [09:06] no need to sort each package and dependancies in their own folders [09:06] we already sync'd the archives i got from the old ubuntu to this new one [09:06] synaptic also gives the y/n choice [09:07] yes Golynx `but remeber please [09:07] that dvd is a month old already or more [09:07] so you have just installed what i had here nothing after that [09:08] and im sure you havent got all the packages in your synced folder [09:08] you saved only what you thought you needed [09:09] Kilos , i ticked xubunu-desktop in synaptic. It said it only has to download 52,6 Kb [09:09] then go for it [09:10] kb or kB [09:10] So it saw all the dependancies in the archives [09:10] yes [09:10] kb [09:10] ok [09:10] but you wanted to go remove them [09:10] sigh [09:10] lol ai [09:18] Oom Kilos , ek het hom ingeplug op een van my windoze bokse , toe kry ek dadelik daai pop-up van " Do you want to scan and fix ? ". Hy scan nou , dan gaan ek try delete sommer op windoze as hy klaar is [09:18] aha [09:22] Selle error op windoze ook. " Folder not empty " As ek die folder try oop maak sê hy " Folder corrupt ". So hy is corrupt , maar ek mag hom nie delete nie. Nou try ek daai chkdsk wat voorgestel is op die mail [09:25] sjoe [09:34] Kilos Xfce session seems to be working ok. Now the drivers :/ [09:34] what drivers? [09:35] Do you think when i tick "Activate" in Additional drivers it will detect that the driver packages is already in the archives ? [09:36] find the package in the archives or desktop and gdebi it [09:36] It says "Unknown" for graphics drivers [09:36] activate downloads it first [09:36] was some ati thing [09:36] did you delete it after you got it last time [09:37] I did that already with gdebi. The fglrx drivers , but it didnt work when i rebooted [09:37] Nope its in the archives [09:38] ok then if you choose the right one and activate then it should work [09:39] It only shows the fglrx driver in Additional Drivers [09:39] good try activate [09:39] But i dunno if it will wana download the whole 39,2MB again , [09:39] unplug your modem [09:40] That wont work it detects them via online method [09:40] or search for the drivers online [09:41] or should i unplug after its shows the results ? [09:42] did you not install it with gdebi? [09:42] or is it in synaptic [09:42] maybe it needs only to be activated [09:42] yes then uninstalled it [09:42] why??????? [09:43] It was'nt working [09:43] maybe it needed activating only [09:43] Yay hy's reg oom [09:44] mooi mazal [09:44] chkdsk in windoze het die corrupted goed reggemaak en toe kon ek delete :) [09:44] so vensters het sy eie goed herstel [09:44] lol [09:45] Kilos when i tick the fglrx drivers in synaptic it says it has to download 45 MB extra [09:46] ouch [09:46] how big is the package in archives [09:47] 39.2 Mb for fglrx and its buddy is amdcccle which is 5.8MB . But they are already in the archives [09:49] install with gdebi [09:49] both [09:49] small one first [09:50] Should i install from the archives ? [09:50] yes or desktop [09:51] ok [10:11] new nanobridge installed links are all at a 100% [10:11] i think i should take the rest of the day off [10:15] hmm... me and modems [10:49] hi magespawn [10:49] wb kilos [10:50] ty [10:50] My graphics card is back :) [10:50] OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [10:50] OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics [10:50] OpenGL version string: 3.3.11627 Compatibility Profile Context [10:51] write it all down [10:51] I just type "fglrxinfo" in terminal and it shows it [10:52] Its the same setup as last time. [10:52] Just glad my fan is happy again lol [10:54] im happy that you are happy [10:54] dont play with stuff you dont understand [10:55] like chown [10:56] I did'nt know linux was this sensitive though, but good to know wont make the same mistake again [10:56] linux commands are very powerful [10:57] can work wonders, shorten jobs and KILL things [10:57] When i install apache server and mysql, i will make a script to let php create the folders i need , instead of creating it via file manager. That mixed up the permissions [10:58] i see, thats good [11:01] Kilos does sudo get-apt install , also check in archives if the package exists already ? [11:01] yes [11:01] also it remembers what it found in update [11:02] so if you add packages manually you do sudo apt-get update again [11:02] ok nice [11:02] also if you add a ppa [11:03] I wana do sudo get-apt install lamp-server^ , to install the lamp stack of apache,mysql,php [11:04] ah thats good [11:20] !ping [11:52] Kilos there is a command that when run as root will wipe the whole drive [11:52] i forget what it is though [11:52] dont say it magespawn he will try it [11:53] can be evil fun to tell noobies to try it [11:53] lol [11:53] evil not good [11:55] http://www.howtogeek.com/125157/8-deadly-commands-you-should-never-run-on-linux/ [11:58] dont show that here magespawn [11:59] forewarned is forearmed, the knowledge is never a bad thing to have [11:59]