[05:06] <Symmetria> morning
[05:31] <Kilos> morning all
[05:31] <Kilos> happy friday to you
[05:54] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos, mazal
[05:54] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[05:54] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:56] <inetpro> good morning
[05:56] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[05:56] <inetpro> Kilos: hi 
[05:56] <inetpro> btw, those guys were both right yesterday
[05:57]  * inetpro went to read the thread again
[05:57] <inetpro> I just don't know what kloterij means
[05:57] <Kilos> thats why i felt bad i spose
[05:57] <Kilos> nor me
[05:58] <Kilos> but not good methinks
[05:58] <inetpro> anyway, you still get 100% for trying to help
[05:58] <Kilos> it must mean messup
[05:59] <Kilos> i asked others to help him but no one did
[05:59]  * Kilos cries
[05:59] <inetpro> we're not an official support channel
[06:00] <Kilos> oh
[06:00] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[06:01] <mazal> Morning guys
[06:14] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:20] <inetpro> Kilos: we are all just locked up together on this channel sharing common interests yearning for freedom and belonging, each one with his own unique circumstances and challenges
[06:20] <inetpro> what we need to try and do is to find and work together towards a common goal 
[06:20] <Kilos> oh my
[06:21] <inetpro> otherwise we'll just loose more users
[06:21] <Kilos> i really thought this was the za help channel
[06:21] <Kilos> like when i started everyone helped me
[06:24] <Kilos> so i been trying to help out because you okes are so busy
[06:24] <inetpro> which is all fine
[06:24] <inetpro> but nobody is paid to give support and you can't sue anyone for giving wrong advise
[06:25] <Kilos> lol
[06:25] <inetpro> advice*
[06:26] <inetpro> obviously everyone helps where he can
[06:26] <inetpro> but ultimately the official support is somewhere else
[06:27] <Kilos> is there an official za report channel?
[06:28] <Kilos> we are then the za loco
[06:28] <inetpro> you also pay for official support 
[06:28] <Kilos> oh
[06:31] <Kilos> well i hope i didnt chase those guys away. 
[06:34] <inetpro> Kilos: there's nothing wrong with helping people, just keep doing it
[06:36] <Kilos> man i dont know enough
[06:37] <Kilos> i can only do basic stuff
[06:38] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[06:38] <bduk1> Goodmorning Kilos  and everyone
[06:42] <mazal> Oom Kilos , hou mail dop. Ek het 'n tricky probleem gestuur
[06:42] <Kilos> ai!
[06:44] <Kilos> haha mazal what folder is it and what is the path to it
[06:44] <mazal> It is an old backup
[06:45] <Kilos> rsync backup?
[06:45] <Kilos> or deja dup
[06:45] <mazal> That one was a manual copy and paste that created it. But now during daily rsync , rsync says it can't read that folder
[06:45] <mazal> Which causes problems to my whole rsync process
[06:46] <Kilos> the whole backup folder or just one in it?
[06:46] <mazal> I don't need that folder at all anymore , but I can't get the thing removed
[06:46] <mazal> It has a long path with full off empty folders
[06:46] <Kilos> i would chown it
[06:46] <mazal> It's NTFS , linux permissions don't work on it
[06:47] <Kilos> ntfs locked maybe
[06:47] <mazal> You think I must try delete it in windoze ?
[06:47] <Kilos> you can but thats no fun
[06:48] <Kilos> that would be easier though if you have a win machine to use
[06:48] <mazal> Die werk het baie
[06:48] <Kilos> i would still try chown that one folder
[06:48] <Kilos> last resort chown -R
[06:48] <mazal> k gonna try chown quick , hang on
[06:48] <Kilos> make sure you have the path right
[06:50] <Kilos> i actually chowned my whole external so buntu be the boss
[06:51] <mazal> Owner already correct ( my user )
[06:51] <mazal> But did chown -R anyway , didn't help
[06:52] <Golynx> Morning ubuntu-za
[06:52] <Golynx> hi mazal
[06:52] <mazal> Morning Golynx 
[06:53] <Kilos> you cant right click on the folder and remove to trash or tick it and use shift and delete key
[06:53] <mazal> Doesn't work , already tried
[06:53] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[06:53] <Kilos> hi Golynx 
[06:53] <mazal> That's when I get the error " Directory not empty "
[06:53] <Kilos> sjoe mazal 
[06:53] <Kilos> try renaming it
[06:54] <mazal> And I even tried with gksudo as well
[06:54] <Kilos> and make a new folder for your backup
[06:54] <Golynx> Kilos i'm now in the fresh install of ubuntu. My data and all the Archives programs from the old one was on the dvd. 
[06:55] <Kilos> great
[06:55] <Kilos> be careful of chown
[06:55] <mazal> Can rename it , still can't delete it
[06:55] <Golynx> Just an issue with gdebi now :/
[06:56] <Kilos> what Golynx ?
[06:56] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall gdebi
[06:56] <Golynx> It does'nt auto detect the dependencies of packages, it only installs the one .deb
[06:57] <Golynx> It always wana go online for the dependencies
[06:57] <Kilos> you have your archives on dvd right
[06:57] <Golynx> Yes
[06:57] <Kilos> copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:58] <Kilos> thats where the packages reside
[06:58] <Golynx> I tried that, but in synaptic nothing shows of those packages being installed
[06:58] <Kilos> i find it easier to drag drop them to desktop first
[06:58] <Kilos> then use rsync to put them in archives folder
[06:59] <Kilos> it wont untill you do sudo apt-get update
[06:59] <Golynx> Did an update that was only 3MB 
[07:00] <Kilos> first move all those packages to desktop
[07:00] <Kilos> forget synaptic for now
[07:00] <Golynx> ok
[07:04] <Golynx> I did the "2.1. Installing via the command line" part of this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI. But when i reboot the graphics card is still Unknown
[07:04] <Kilos> are the packages on desktop?
[07:05] <Kilos> forget everything else
[07:06] <Golynx> Yes
[07:06] <Kilos> ok now in terminal
[07:07] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av ~/Desktop/folder name/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:07] <Kilos> i hope all packages are in one folder
[07:08] <Golynx> Should i put all the packages in a folder , not just on the desktop
[07:08] <Kilos> yes all in one folder, i call mine precise
[07:09] <Golynx> Ok done
[07:10] <Kilos> ok then sudo rsync -av ~/Desktop/precise/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:11] <Golynx> sent 348504797 bytes  received 5968 bytes  19914900.86 bytes/sec
[07:11] <Golynx> total size is 348487317  speedup is 1.00
[07:11] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[07:11] <Golynx> ok
[07:13] <Kilos> done?
[07:14] <Golynx> Its still updating  ,slow net :)
[07:14] <Kilos> ah
[07:15] <Kilos> at the end you will see it says reading packages list
[07:15] <Kilos> thats whats then in /archives/
[07:15] <Golynx> Fetched 1 622 kB in 3min 23s (7 981 B/s)                                       
[07:15] <Golynx> Reading package lists... Done
[07:16] <Golynx> ok
[07:17] <Kilos> first open synaptic and go edit preferences
[07:17] <magespawn> goo morning
[07:17] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:17] <Golynx> Btw when installed ubuntu it said "Reinstall Ubuntu" , thats why i see some old settings are still here
[07:17] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[07:17] <Golynx> ok
[07:18] <Kilos> sorry settings preferences
[07:18] <magespawn> hi Kilos Golynx 
[07:18] <Golynx> ok i'm there
[07:19] <Kilos> under files
[07:19] <Kilos> tick leave all in cache
[07:19] <Kilos> then close synaptic
[07:19] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:19] <Golynx> Was already ticked
[07:19] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:20] <Kilos> good
[07:21] <Golynx> that will still ask me Y/n right ?
[07:22] <Kilos> ya
[07:22] <Kilos> see how much it wants to download
[07:22] <Golynx> Need to get 47,9 MB/54,7 MB of archives.
[07:22] <Kilos> if its lots you didnt save all the packages
[07:23] <Kilos> can you do it?
[07:23] <Kilos> it will install lotsa stuff
[07:23] <Golynx> Stuff i dont need aswell
[07:24] <Golynx> Not now, only on the 15th Feb
[07:24] <Kilos> no man 
[07:24] <Kilos> what dont you need
[07:24] <Kilos> make a list
[07:25] <Golynx> gimp,opera , thunderbird kind of stuff
[07:25] <Kilos> gwibber thunderbird firefox
[07:25] <Kilos> then do sudo aptitude remove gimp thunderbird and the rest
[07:25] <Kilos> opera is your browser
[07:26] <Golynx> No i still want opera and gimp, just dont want them upgraded
[07:27] <Kilos> remove thunderbird then
[07:27] <Kilos> its lots of data
[07:27] <Kilos> just dont remove stuff it needs
[07:28] <Kilos> ubuntu i mean not thunderbird
[07:29] <liamT> moaning
[07:29] <Kilos> hi liamT 
[07:30] <Golynx> hi liamT
[07:31] <Golynx> Kilos why is'nt the packages in archives installed
[07:31] <Kilos> what were they
[07:31] <Kilos> just your extra apps?
[07:32] <Kilos> or everything
[07:32] <Vince-0> Sup!
[07:32] <Kilos> nother day Vince-0 
[07:32] <Symmetria> man why are MTN such complete asshats
[07:32] <Golynx> The one's that were sync'ed there
[07:32] <Symmetria> they truely dont know what the hell they are doing
[07:34] <Kilos> ok Golynx open update manager and see what the large downloads are
[07:34] <Kilos> dont just strat unticking
[07:34] <Kilos> start
[07:34] <Kilos> look first
[07:35] <Kilos> i gotta go let sheep out quick
[07:35] <Kilos> wbb
[07:39] <Kilos> what are the big ones Golynx ?
[07:39] <Golynx> It says 88,2 MB in update manager
[07:40] <Kilos> you can untick all thunderbird firefox gwibber
[07:40] <Kilos> thats because of the kernels too i spose
[07:40] <Golynx> i see linux kernel headers 3.2 at 38MB and 11 MB 
[07:40] <Kilos> you dint have them saved for some reason
[07:40] <Kilos> dont do anything
[07:40] <Kilos> tell me what else is there
[07:41] <Kilos> apt-get dont upgrade kernels
[07:41] <Kilos> look what made up the other 40 m
[07:42] <Kilos> 47.9m that is
[07:42] <Golynx> Other smaller things , like unity stuff and printing stuff and nvidia stuff
[07:42] <Vince-0> Fraaday, Kilos. How's paradise treating you
[07:42] <Kilos> you dall small?
[07:43] <Kilos> good ty Vince-0 
[07:43] <Kilos> and you?
[07:43] <Golynx> Update manager says 88.2MB
[07:43] <Kilos> thats with the kernels yes
[07:43] <Kilos> is everything else small
[07:44] <Golynx> apt-get dont upgrade kernels , what is it for ?
[07:45] <Kilos> everything else
[07:45] <Kilos> the important working stuff
[07:45] <Golynx> Yes , just the kernels thats big
[07:46] <Golynx> its 131 updates
[07:47] <Kilos> sigh then you didnt sync them all before reinstalling
[07:47] <Kilos> they are all important upgrades
[07:47] <Kilos> well see if you can still keep working without upgrading them
[07:48] <Kilos> then on the 15th do them
[07:49] <Kilos> and after every upgrade do sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ ~/Desktop/precise/
[07:49] <Kilos> then you lose nothing
[07:49] <Golynx> I never did an upgrade since i started ubuntu, and everything worked before
[07:50] <Kilos> you have just installed from the dvd again right?
[07:50] <Golynx> Yes
[07:50] <Kilos> so you are back where you first started
[07:51] <Kilos> remember all the arguments about upgrading
[07:51] <Kilos> we are back there again
[07:52] <Golynx> I want the saved packages to be reinstalled again without me downloading them
[07:52] <Kilos> ok then open the folder on desktop
[07:53] <Kilos> and right click what you want to install and open with gdebi
[07:53] <Golynx> and i should remove the stuff there in Archives
[07:53] <Kilos> no
[07:54] <Golynx> they serve no perpose without the lock icon on them
[07:54] <Kilos> if you remove them it will want to download them from scratch
[07:54] <Kilos> forget the lock icon man
[07:55] <Golynx> if i install the same package from the desktop thats already in archives but not installed that will conflict
[07:55] <Kilos> no
[07:56] <Kilos> you could also open /archives/ and do the same thing
[07:56] <Kilos> from desktop is just quicker
[07:58] <Golynx> I try installing with gdebi then it lists the dependencies in Detials, when i click install it wants to get them from the web instead of the folder where they are in 
[07:59] <Kilos> are you sure they are in there
[07:59] <Kilos> i dont think so
[08:00] <Golynx> Kilos ubuntu is downloading stuff now i dont know what
[08:00] <Golynx> its already at 20 MB 
[08:00] <Kilos> eish
[08:01] <mazal> Did you previously install stuff from added ppa's ? If so you'll need to add those ppa's again and do apt-get update again first
[08:01] <Kilos> are you sure all the dependancies were saved in archives?
[08:01] <Kilos> ty mazal 
[08:02] <mazal> And it might also be that his apt archives settings was on the default of deleting everything older than 30 days. So when he made the backup some stuff might already been deleted. ( depending on his backup procedures )
[08:03] <Kilos> i got him to tick leave all packages in archives
[08:04] <mazal> But how does his 20archive in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d look ? If that is still set to delete older than 30 days won't it still delete it ?
[08:04] <mazal> Is the first thing I always do is to go change that default to all zeros
[08:05] <charl_> good morning
[08:05] <Maaz> charl_: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "ask charl_ what is a kloterij?" 12 hours, 13 minutes and 20 seconds ago
[08:05] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:05]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:05] <inetpro> hi charl_
[08:05] <charl_> hi inetpro 
[08:06] <charl_> how's it going
[08:07] <charl_> gi Golynx 
[08:07] <charl_> *hi
[08:07] <Golynx> mazal there is no extra ppa's in Update manager
[08:07] <Golynx> hi charl_
[08:08] <mazal> Golynx, I have a feeling you did backup of archives after some of them was deleted already
[08:08] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[08:08] <Golynx> I had to disconnect else whatever is downloading will eat all my data
[08:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[08:09] <mazal> and possibility b is that some packages simply updated after the backup was made. Also very possible.
[08:09] <Golynx> mazal i erased ubuntu yesterday and installed again
[08:09] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[08:09] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[08:10] <Kilos> from the time that dvd was made there have been a couple of updates
[08:11] <mazal> And I would strongly suggest to either a. Backup the apt cache every day , or b. Disable the option that delete archives older than 30 days
[08:11] <Golynx> When i first installed the dvd the update was 16MB . Now i installed ubuntu again  its 3MB 
[08:12] <Golynx> I only started using ubuntu 30 days ago i think
[08:14] <Golynx> I installed Ubuntu-tweak and added its dependencies with it in a folder. Strange that installed.
[08:27] <inetpro> ai!
[08:36] <Kilos> shades of deja vu inetpro ?
[08:43] <Kilos> mazal, daar is antwoorde op jou pos
[08:43] <mazal> Het gesien dankie oom. Ek wag net vir die huidige rsync backup om klaar te maak dan gaan ek van dit try. Kannie nou reboot of die drive uittrek nie
[08:45] <Kilos> laat weet wat werk
[08:45] <Kilos> daai livecd is n plan dink ek
[08:47] <Golynx> ai, i have to download everything again. That archives thing dont work
[08:50] <Golynx> Kilos i'm gona remove the sync'd packages that were put there from desktop. Only installed packages belongs in archives
[08:51] <Kilos> when you get to your next install dont cry
[08:51] <mazal> Kilos, I'm gonna try your idea of trying to delete it in Windoze first. I think you onto something with the NTFS lock
[08:52] <Kilos> ?
[08:52] <mazal> Daai folder
[08:52] <Kilos> ek hoop so
[08:53] <Golynx> It does'nt make sense to have for example, "Abiword" in the archives when its not installed in synaptic
[08:54] <Kilos> forget making sense
[08:55] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[08:55] <Kilos> those archives when synced will save you lots of data when you need to install again
[08:56] <Kilos> and the space used is minimal and it dont slow down your pc
[08:56] <Golynx> hmm , i just wanted to install them offline so i dont have to download them again
[08:56] <Golynx> But they are not installed
[08:57] <Golynx> Why wont gdebi for example install them
[08:59] <Kilos> because there are updates needed that werent on that dvd
[08:59] <Kilos> dependancies
[09:00] <Kilos> now if those dependancies were in the archives gdebi would install without downloading anything
[09:01] <Golynx> I got 315 packages mixed with their dependencies in the archives now
[09:03] <Golynx> For example xubuntu-desktop. I got all its depencies but gdebi wana download them instead
[09:03] <Kilos> did you sudo apt-get update after putting the packages there
[09:04] <Golynx> Yes
[09:04] <Kilos> then use synaptic to install
[09:04] <Kilos> hopefully that will see what you got
[09:05] <Golynx> ok , i will go offline to try that
[09:05] <Kilos> you mustnt start getting stuff and the dependancies and saving them in your own way
[09:05] <Kilos> use the archives to save everything
[09:06] <Kilos> no need to sort each package and dependancies in their own folders
[09:06] <Golynx> we already sync'd the archives i got from the old ubuntu to this new one
[09:06] <Kilos> synaptic also gives the y/n choice
[09:07] <Kilos> yes Golynx `but remeber please
[09:07] <Kilos> that dvd is a month old already or more
[09:07] <Kilos> so you have just installed what i had here nothing after that
[09:08] <Kilos> and im sure you havent got all the packages in your synced folder
[09:08] <Kilos> you saved only what you thought you needed
[09:09] <Golynx> Kilos , i ticked xubunu-desktop in synaptic. It said it only has to download 52,6 Kb 
[09:09] <Kilos> then go for it
[09:10] <Kilos> kb or kB
[09:10] <Golynx> So it saw all the dependancies in the archives
[09:10] <Kilos> yes
[09:10] <Golynx> kb
[09:10] <Golynx> ok
[09:10] <Kilos> but you wanted to go remove them
[09:10] <Kilos> sigh
[09:10] <Golynx> lol ai
[09:18] <mazal> Oom Kilos , ek het hom ingeplug op een van my windoze bokse , toe kry ek dadelik daai pop-up van " Do you want to scan and fix ? ". Hy scan nou , dan gaan ek try delete sommer op windoze as hy klaar is
[09:18] <Kilos> aha
[09:22] <mazal> Selle error op windoze ook. " Folder not empty " As ek die folder try oop maak sê hy " Folder corrupt ". So hy is corrupt , maar ek mag hom nie delete nie. Nou try ek daai chkdsk wat voorgestel is op die mail
[09:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:34] <Golynx> Kilos Xfce session seems to be working ok. Now the drivers :/
[09:34] <Kilos> what drivers?
[09:35] <Golynx> Do you think when i tick "Activate" in Additional drivers it will detect that the driver packages is already in the archives ?
[09:36] <Kilos> find the package in the archives or desktop and gdebi it
[09:36] <Golynx> It says "Unknown" for graphics drivers
[09:36] <Kilos> activate downloads it first
[09:36] <Kilos> was some ati thing
[09:36] <Kilos> did you delete it after you got it last time
[09:37] <Golynx> I did that already with gdebi. The fglrx drivers , but it didnt work when i rebooted
[09:37] <Golynx> Nope its in the archives
[09:38] <Kilos> ok then if you choose the right one and activate then it should work
[09:39] <Golynx> It only shows the fglrx driver in Additional Drivers
[09:39] <Kilos> good try activate
[09:39] <Golynx> But i dunno if it will wana download the whole 39,2MB again , 
[09:39] <Kilos> unplug your modem
[09:40] <Golynx> That wont work it detects them via online method
[09:40] <Golynx> or search for the drivers online
[09:41] <Golynx> or should i unplug after its shows the results ?
[09:42] <Kilos> did you not install it with gdebi?
[09:42] <Kilos> or is it in synaptic
[09:42] <Kilos> maybe it needs only to be activated
[09:42] <Golynx> yes then uninstalled it
[09:42] <Kilos> why???????
[09:43] <Golynx> It was'nt working
[09:43] <Kilos> maybe it needed activating only
[09:43] <mazal> Yay hy's reg oom
[09:44] <Kilos> mooi mazal 
[09:44] <mazal> chkdsk in windoze het die corrupted goed reggemaak en toe kon ek delete :)
[09:44] <Kilos> so vensters het sy eie goed herstel
[09:44] <Kilos> lol
[09:45] <Golynx> Kilos when i tick the fglrx drivers in synaptic it says it has to download 45 MB extra
[09:46] <Kilos> ouch
[09:46] <Kilos> how big is the package in archives
[09:47] <Golynx> 39.2 Mb for fglrx and its buddy is amdcccle which is 5.8MB . But they are already in the archives
[09:49] <Kilos> install with gdebi
[09:49] <Kilos> both
[09:49] <Kilos> small one first
[09:50] <Golynx> Should i install from the archives ?
[09:50] <Kilos> yes or desktop
[09:51] <Golynx> ok
[10:11] <magespawn> new nanobridge installed links are all at a 100%
[10:11] <magespawn> i think i should take the rest of the day off
[10:15] <Kilos> hmm... me and modems
[10:49] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[10:49] <Golynx> wb kilos
[10:50] <Kilos> ty
[10:50] <Golynx> My graphics card is back :)
[10:50] <Golynx> OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[10:50] <Golynx> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics 
[10:50] <Golynx> OpenGL version string: 3.3.11627 Compatibility Profile Context
[10:51] <Kilos> write it all down
[10:51] <Golynx> I just type "fglrxinfo" in terminal and it shows it
[10:52] <Golynx> Its the same setup as last time. 
[10:52] <Golynx> Just glad my fan is happy again lol
[10:54] <Kilos> im happy that you are happy
[10:54] <Kilos> dont play with stuff you dont understand
[10:55] <Kilos> like chown
[10:56] <Golynx> I did'nt know linux was this sensitive though, but good to know wont make the same mistake again
[10:56] <Kilos> linux commands are very powerful
[10:57] <Kilos> can work wonders, shorten jobs and KILL things
[10:57] <Golynx> When i install apache server and mysql, i will make a script to let php create the folders i need , instead of creating it via file manager. That mixed up the permissions
[10:58] <Golynx> i see, thats good
[11:01] <Golynx> Kilos does sudo get-apt install  , also check in archives if the package exists already ?
[11:01] <Kilos> yes
[11:01] <Kilos> also it remembers what it found in update
[11:02] <Kilos> so if you add packages manually you do sudo apt-get update again
[11:02] <Golynx> ok nice
[11:02] <Kilos> also if you add a ppa
[11:03] <Golynx> I wana do sudo get-apt install lamp-server^  , to install the lamp stack of apache,mysql,php 
[11:04] <Golynx> ah thats good
[11:20] <Hyperthread> !ping
[11:52] <magespawn> Kilos there is a command that when run as root will wipe the whole drive
[11:52] <magespawn> i forget what it is though
[11:52] <Kilos> dont say it magespawn he will try it
[11:53] <magespawn> can be evil fun to tell noobies to try it
[11:53] <Kilos> lol
[11:53] <Kilos> evil not good
[11:55] <magespawn> http://www.howtogeek.com/125157/8-deadly-commands-you-should-never-run-on-linux/
[11:58] <Kilos> dont show that here magespawn 
[11:59] <magespawn> forewarned is forearmed, the knowledge is never a bad thing to have
[11:59] <magespawn> this way people cannot be tricked in to running those commands
[12:00] <Kilos> yeah but some peeps will try them just to check
[12:01] <magespawn> ah well then at least that will have an explanation of what will/has happened then
[12:02] <Kilos> lol
[12:02] <mazal> dd
[12:08] <mazal> Kilos, then you can fix it again :)
[12:09] <Kilos> lol
[12:18] <magespawn> woops unplugged the wrong network cable
[12:19] <mazal> magespawn, you seem tired , I give you off for the rest of the day :)
[12:19] <Kilos> lol
[12:19] <magespawn> ty mazal, just float that past my gm quickly, will you?
[12:29] <Kilos> oh magespawn btw
[12:29] <Kilos> have winxp and 7 running on the 2TB and 1.42TB is useable
[12:30] <Kilos> xp in first 17g sorting the mbr and boot sector then 380g unused then 7 on the rest
[12:30] <Kilos> it refuses to take linux
[12:33] <Kilos> somewhere in the 380g is the bad stuff
[12:38] <mazal> Bye guys , enjoy your weekend
[13:14] <magespawn> ahh well at least you can use that space then
[13:14] <Kilos> yeah
[13:15] <Kilos> buntu can use 7 for a storage depot
[13:15] <magespawn> but be carful, drives that have problems more often fail without any warning
[13:16] <Golynx> Kilos i got an issue now . Mysql is already in the archives , but when i tick it in synaptic it wants to download the whole thing
[13:18] <Kilos> i dunno
[13:18] <Kilos> how did you do it last time
[13:19] <Golynx> And when i do that it creates copies of the dependencies like _2
[13:19] <Golynx> ok
[13:21] <Golynx> sudo get-apt install lamp-server^
[13:22] <Golynx> It installed everything like mysql , php, and apache
[13:23] <Golynx> i'm just gonna let it download
[13:26] <Kilos> you have downloaded it before
[13:26] <Kilos> rather get updated/upgraded
[13:28] <Kilos> then try install the packages you have
[13:28] <Kilos> mysql is in synaptic and if you have the package already gdebi should install it
[13:29] <Golynx> It didnt gave like the other options did , like the 50kb xfce needed. Mysql just wanted to download everything again
[13:30] <Golynx> Should i stop the download ?
[13:33] <Golynx> oh no, its creating 3 copies of the same file :/
[13:35] <Golynx> aborting...
[13:37] <magespawn> brb sorting out a router
[14:49] <theblazehen> hi all
[14:50] <theblazehen> in #reddit-homelab
[14:50] <theblazehen> oops
[14:50] <theblazehen> FML
[15:03] <theblazehen> Kilos, hi?
[15:03] <theblazehen> anything wrong?
[15:03] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[15:03] <Kilos> was inna bath
[15:03] <theblazehen> kk, np
[15:04] <theblazehen> Was just wondering
[15:04] <Kilos> hehe
[16:22] <Kilos> ohi Xethron 
[17:37] <Golynx> Always focus on the details :)
[17:41] <Golynx> cost me 52MB , but well worth it
[17:41] <Kilos> what details
[17:43] <Golynx> For example the file mysql-client-core-5.5_5.5.35-0ubuntu0.12.04.2_i386.deb in the update did'nt match the mysql-client-core-5.5_5.5.35-0ubuntu0.12.04.1_i386.deb in my backedup archive
[17:43] <Golynx> took me a while to figure it out
[17:44] <Kilos> ya .2 is a later version
[17:44] <Kilos> should even be .3 or .4  already
[17:44] <Golynx> So i had to download the new version 
[17:44] <superfly> theblazehen: are you around?
[17:44] <Kilos> synaptic should get the later version
[17:45] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[17:45] <Golynx> but php and apache2 installed with no download needed
[17:45] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:45] <Golynx> oh dunno about that, aslong as it works now :)
[17:45] <Golynx> hi superfly
[17:46] <Kilos> synaptic always gets the latest versions unless you have them locked
[17:46] <Golynx> Will be more carefull when doing chown in future 
[17:46] <Kilos> then only aptitude will get the later ones
[17:47] <Golynx> I dunno
[17:47] <Kilos> you need to spend time on linux and get to know it before trying things like chown
[17:47] <Kilos> i do know
[17:48] <Kilos> apt-get and synaptic stick with locked versions
[17:48] <Golynx> I have to use chown to get my server config right though
[17:48] <Kilos> aptitude goes past the lock and fetches them anyway
[17:48] <Kilos> do you start it with sudo?
[17:48] <Kilos> is that why you battle
[17:49] <Kilos> sudo makes you root
[17:49] <superfly> ohi Golynx
[17:50] <Golynx> In order for php to create a new file or folder it needs that root access on the file to create them
[17:50] <Golynx> else it will error out permission denied
[17:50] <Kilos> ok
[17:53] <Golynx> I will try aptitude next time if i wana update mysql, but really no need to do that on my little dev server
[17:53] <Kilos> upgrading is to get improved software not fore bigger machines
[17:53] <Golynx> big production servers need the latest updates of such software
[17:54] <Kilos> as the dev guys improve packages they release them as upgrades
[17:54] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:54] <Golynx> hi nlsthzn
[17:54] <Golynx> yes Kilos you are correct
[17:55] <nlsthzn> alo Kilos , Golynx and all
[17:56] <Kilos> you need to chat to dev guys to understand what its all about\
[17:56] <Kilos> not like windows where updating breaks things
[17:57] <nlsthzn> hmmm... I dunno about updates breaking things in Windows...
[17:57] <Kilos> there is a dev channel somewhere on freenode where you could watch them work through issues
[17:57]  * Kilos punches nlsthzn 
[17:58]  * nlsthzn doesn't feel anything as Linux commands doesn't work on Windows :p
[17:58] <Kilos> actually 7 aint too bad
[17:58] <Kilos> haha
[17:58]  * nlsthzn is running 7 again
[17:58] <nlsthzn> it has solved my DE problem
[17:58] <Kilos> i have it going on your mobo
[17:58] <Golynx> i understand Kilos :)
[17:59] <Kilos> on the scrap 2TB drive
[17:59] <Kilos> i like fiddling with hardware
[17:59] <Kilos> at least you can see something
[18:00] <theblazehen> superfly, yeah
[18:00] <nlsthzn> I understand the philosophy of FLOSS and believe it is superior and will overcome in the end, but I am not a zealot about it and Win 7 does more for me on this desktop currently...
[18:06] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:06] <theblazehen> hey magespawn 
[18:06] <magespawn> wow log on see someone get banned
[18:07] <theblazehen> magespawn, trender
[18:07] <magespawn> is he that bad?
[18:08] <theblazehen> he went around ban
[18:08] <theblazehen> ask superfly if you want more info
[18:08] <nlsthzn> well I saw the ban but missed the action :p
[18:09] <theblazehen> Not sure if he wants me to talk too much about it in a public channel
[18:09] <psydroid> hi Golynx 
[18:09] <theblazehen> nlsthzn, 'twas bad
[18:09] <psydroid> hi theblazehen 
[18:09] <Golynx> i have to disconnect everytime ubuntu wana download magabytes of stuff, i never asked for :(
[18:09] <psydroid> hi nlsthzn 
[18:09] <magespawn> no its cool theblazehen 
[18:09] <Golynx> hi psydroid
[18:09] <magespawn> i trust the fly's judgement
[18:09] <Golynx> hi magespawn
[18:09] <nlsthzn> +1
[18:09] <magespawn> hi Golynx 
[18:09] <nlsthzn> da fly is da man
[18:09] <nlsthzn> hiya psydroid :)
[18:09] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[18:09] <magespawn> or da fly?
[18:10] <theblazehen> hey Golynx 
[18:10] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:11] <nlsthzn> well windows holding up much better than in XP's days... I am downloading 8 different things and installing as others finish and not one stutter or slowdown... 
[18:11] <magespawn> :)
[18:11] <magespawn> nlsthzn, which version you using?
[18:11] <nlsthzn> and I still get so much awesome FLOSS software to use 
[18:11] <nlsthzn> Win 7
[18:11] <nlsthzn> best windows ever imo
[18:12] <nlsthzn> trust MS to get it right for a change then to decide to change it all again >.<
[18:13] <magespawn> they got fairly close with xp and then vista
[18:13] <magespawn> so it seems to be the s.o.p
[18:14] <magespawn> Golynx, i found this today http://tille.garrels.be/training/
[18:14] <nlsthzn> I actually also liked vista... it just needed more ram... 4gb and you where good to go
[18:16] <theblazehen> nlsthzn, never tried vista. Liked longhorn beta though
[18:16] <magespawn> when it first came out it used to drive me mad because of the almost complete lack of driver support
[18:16] <theblazehen> but I dont trust 10-year-old-me's judgement that well
[18:16] <nlsthzn> that was an issue I remember :)
[18:16] <nlsthzn> but I only got it much later so it didn't bother me
[18:17] <nlsthzn> I was running Windows 7 the day the beta started... literally was online right when it landed by chance and downloaded and installed it :p
[18:19] <theblazehen> So I signed up in the LOPSA mentorship program... :D
[18:20] <Golynx> will check it out ty magespawn
[18:22] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:22] <nlsthzn> lopsa?
[18:22] <Kilos> inetpro, dit reen lekker
[18:22]  * nlsthzn needs some more coffee... brought some Ricofee with me so yipee!
[18:23] <Kilos> lol
[18:23] <Kilos> ricoffy be lekker
[18:23] <Kilos> ricoffee too
[18:24] <theblazehen> nlsthzn, League Of Professional System Administrators
[18:24] <nlsthzn> nice... sounds like a title of a movie :)
[18:24] <Kilos> its Ricoffy i looked on the tin
[18:24] <nlsthzn> k :) however it is spelled it is going into my belly very soon
[18:25] <Kilos> lol
[18:25] <superfly> I'm too posh for Ricoffy
[18:25] <superfly> :-P
[18:25] <Kilos> oh my
[18:25] <Kilos> classic man superfly ?
[18:25] <nlsthzn> well I also have a tin of frisco :D
[18:25] <Kilos> too pricey that stuff
[18:26] <superfly> Yuck, no. Douwe Egberts
[18:26] <magespawn> superfly +1
[18:26] <theblazehen> well, hey there learningbot..
[18:27] <Kilos> yours theblazehen ?
[18:27] <theblazehen> Kilos, yeah he's mine
[18:27] <theblazehen> Don't worry, he won't talk
[18:27] <Kilos> i asked if its yours
[18:28] <theblazehen> Kilos, yeah, it's mine
[18:28] <Kilos> if its quiet it can learn here for a while
[18:28] <nlsthzn> superfly, had some of that coffee on a course, in a machine.  the refills where liquid and it was amazing
[18:28] <nlsthzn> but I don't need a fancy mechanism to administer caffeine into my system...
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe
[18:30] <Kilos> ok we got a registered social channel
[18:30] <Kilos> ##ubuntu-za-social
[18:30] <nlsthzn> because this channel isn't social?
[18:31] <Kilos> no for when peeps working here and for far off topic h=chats
[18:31] <Kilos> chats
[18:33] <nlsthzn> k cool... 
[18:33] <nlsthzn> just found that sometimes to many channels water down everything
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah well you okes are in many
[18:33] <Kilos> im  in 2 only
[18:34] <Kilos> stupid chanserv left there
[18:34] <Kilos> sigh
[18:34] <nlsthzn> typically an officially registered channel has only one #
[18:34] <Kilos> ya but it was there man
[18:35] <Kilos> and # is for official channels methinks
[18:35] <Kilos> my channel is also ##
[18:35] <Kilos> and chanserv is there
[18:35] <Kilos> inetpro, fix it
[18:35] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> he will hide now
[18:36] <magespawn> might want to throw a please or something in there?
[18:36] <Kilos> no then he gets cheeky
[18:36]  * Kilos waits for ai!
[18:36] <magespawn> man chanserv
[18:37] <theblazehen> Kilos, ai here already ;)
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <Kilos> i wonder why chanserv joined then left
[18:43] <magespawn> does not look like it 
[18:43] <superfly> nlsthzn: we just have the instant. I like the fact that they're fair trade
[18:43] <magespawn> maybe chanserve just does not like you
[18:44] <Kilos> magespawn, its back
[18:44] <Kilos> you killed it
[18:44] <Kilos> its you magespawn 
[18:44] <magespawn> hows that hey, leaves as i join
[18:44] <superfly> it's a mode you set on the channel
[18:45] <Kilos> whew ty superfly will try find it
[18:46] <superfly> nlsthzn: http://www.douwe-egberts.co.uk/about-de/sustainability/
[18:46] <theblazehen> hey, anyone good as SQL?
[18:48] <superfly> theblazehen: I've done a bit in my time
[18:48] <superfly> (most notably, CareerJunction et al)
[18:50] <Golynx> are you using prepared statements theblazehen?
[18:50] <theblazehen> Golynx, nope, just mysql console || fly: thanks but figured it out
[18:50] <theblazehen> Was mass-deleting wiki pages
[18:51] <Golynx> oh ok, pdo or mysqli is a must though
[18:51] <superfly> Golynx, theblazehen: You should look into SQLAlchemy, a Python ORM
[18:51] <theblazehen> superfly, ah?
[18:52] <theblazehen> Golynx, I'm not gonna be rewriting mediawiki to use that..
[18:52] <superfly> users = User.query().filter(User.name == 'theblazehen').order(User.name.desc()).fetch()
[18:52]  * superfly sees Python rainbows
[18:53] <theblazehen> superfly, ooh nice :)
[18:53] <Golynx> oh, then you better keep the wiki a secret from the wrong eyes theblazehen ;)
[18:53] <superfly> http://xkcd.com/353/
[18:54] <theblazehen> Golynx, why? Wikipedia uses mediawiki, so must be good enough...
[18:54] <Golynx> superfly i will try that when i do django this year
[18:54] <theblazehen> superfly, bobby tables right?
[18:54] <theblazehen> Too lazy to look
[18:55] <superfly> Golynx: don't do django until you've looked at Flask
[18:55] <superfly> Golynx: Django is a pile of NIH syndrome
[18:55] <superfly> theblazehen: no, import antigravity
[18:55] <superfly> Django != Python\
[18:55] <theblazehen> superfly, ah, love that one :)
[18:55] <theblazehen> BTW open interactive python and do it superfly 
[18:55] <Golynx> ok whatever is best for you theblazehen
[18:56] <superfly> hrm, Python 2 or 3?
[18:56] <theblazehen> both, afaik
[18:56] <magespawn> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/nadella-gates-android-winning-facebook-paper-bieber-begone-tech-news-digest/ the last article and the petition has to have an official response
[18:56] <superfly> theblazehen: bwahahaha! nice!
[18:56] <theblazehen> superfly, I know right :)
[18:57] <superfly> theblazehen: have you tried "import this" ?
[18:57] <Golynx> I'm used to python 3.2 though , 2.7 i always forget print (' ') instead of print ' ' 
[18:57] <theblazehen> superfly, I have now :)
[18:57] <superfly> Golynx: stick with Python 3
[18:58] <theblazehen> superfly, besides that 3 is newer, why python 3 ?
[18:58] <Kilos> superfly, whats the parameters Syntax: SET <#channel> <setting> [parameters]
[18:58] <Golynx> superfly good, what do you recommend then for web dev in python
[18:58] <superfly> Golynx: Flask
[18:58] <superfly> theblazehen: unicode. unicode. unicode. by default.
[18:59] <superfly> theblazehen: that alone is reason enough.
[18:59] <theblazehen> superfly, I'm convinced
[19:00] <Golynx> ya flask is lightweight , will try that
[19:00] <nlsthzn> I haven't seen instant versions of it yet superfly , then again I haven't really looked :p
[19:00] <superfly> Golynx: I think Flask works on Python 3
[19:01] <magespawn> Golynx, some more reading material if you are interested http://fullcirclemagazine.org/
[19:01] <superfly> flask.pocoo.org/docs/python3/
[19:02] <Golynx> Yes i see superfly "Flask and all of its dependencies support Python 3 so you can in theory start working on it already."
[19:03] <Golynx> ty magespawn , i will check that
[19:04] <Kilos> magespawn, pop in there again please
[19:13] <Golynx_> Kilos do you know these MB's of stuff that always wana download ? I have to disconnect everytime an ftp server shows in iftop
[19:14] <Kilos> nope i can use 10m a day if i dont use the browser
[19:15] <Kilos> i dont connect to other servers and things
[19:15] <Golynx_> What is being upgraded ? i disabled everything related to automatic updates in update manager
[19:16] <Golynx_> That thing downloaded 20MB of stuff today , and it keeps wanting more
[19:18] <Golynx_> I dont connect to other servers either , no ppa's here also. Ever since the security stuff was enabled and the change to South African server this thing happened
[19:20] <Kilos> only one thing you need to change in update manager and that is where it want to check every 10 mins or something. you set that to never but dont mess with the rest
[19:20] <theblazehen> cya guys
[19:20] <Golynx_> So i'm gonna disable security upgrades in a file somewhere and change to Main server
[19:20] <Kilos> toods theblazehen 
[19:20] <Kilos> Golynx_, 
[19:20] <Kilos> what are you talking about
[19:21] <Kilos> all the servers have the same info on them
[19:21] <Golynx_> yes its set to Never update automatically
[19:21] <Kilos> all you do by changing is make update start from scratch again
[19:22] <Kilos> you mess this install up you fix it yourself this time
[19:22] <Kilos> you remember the work it was to get it working last time
[19:22] <Golynx_> But i dont want this big background downloads
[19:23] <Kilos> its from something else man
[19:23] <Kilos> i dont understand the ftp server stuff
[19:23] <Golynx_> I'm gona do this http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2013/11/29/configure-automatic-updates-ubuntu-server/
[19:23] <Kilos> im not looking there
[19:23] <Golynx_> Will see if it stops this thing
[19:24] <Golynx_> Its to configure unattended-upgrades
[19:24] <Golynx_> but in a file
[19:25] <Kilos> i have told you how i do things
[19:26] <Kilos> they work for me
[19:26] <Golynx_> When a pc does things automatically without me knowing about it. I get upset lol
[19:26] <Kilos> you set it to never
[19:26] <Kilos> then other stuff is what you have added
[19:26] <Kilos> you gonna mess it up again
[19:27] <Kilos> i give up
[19:27] <Golynx_> Nope its still from the ubuntu dvd 
[19:27] <Golynx_> I did'nt change anything , apart from the programs i need
[19:27] <Kilos> what?
[19:28] <Kilos> my iftop never shows downloads from ftp servers
[19:28] <Golynx_> mine does and its a different one all the time
[19:29] <Kilos> i use the same dvd to install with
[19:29] <Golynx_> its ok i will try sort it out, with minimal damage
[19:30] <Kilos> i dont understand whats happening there
[19:31] <Golynx_> I'm sure its just security upgrades getting downloaded piece by piece
[19:33] <Kilos> they wont on thier own'
[19:33] <Golynx_> Strange that sites file it says // Automatically upgrade packages from these (origin:archive) paris  . And in mine // Automatically upgrade packages from these (origin:archive) pairs
[19:33] <Kilos> that never means you must start an upgrade'
[19:34] <Golynx_> pairs instead of paris :/
[19:34] <Kilos> just a typo at the site
[19:35] <Golynx_> In a setting in my file it says //Unattended-Upgrade::MinimalSteps "true";
[19:35] <Golynx_> That means download bit by bit
[19:36] <Golynx_> ok i see
[19:37] <Kilos> in what file do you see these things?
[19:37] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[19:38] <Golynx_> This one /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[19:38] <Golynx_> hi charl_
[19:38] <Kilos> eish you fiddle where angels fear to tread
[19:39] <Golynx_> no i just glance there lol
[19:42] <Golynx_> And this one is to disable or enable all automatic updates /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
[19:42] <Golynx_> "1" for on "0" for off
[19:45] <Kilos> that never button does ll that
[19:45] <Kilos> all
[19:46] <Golynx_> ya true, i will try keep on searching whats causing my issue
[19:47] <magespawn> back again, just killed the data on the tablet
[19:48] <Golynx_> btw do you use the Main Server or SA server?
[19:49] <Golynx_> seems like the download mirrors is causing this
[19:50] <Golynx_> wb magespawn
[19:50] <magespawn> ty
[19:51] <Kilos> sa server
[19:51] <Kilos> only when its down i switch
[19:52] <Golynx_> oh ok
[20:08] <magespawn> Kilos, looks like chanserv does not like me there
[20:09] <Kilos> its something to do with 
[20:09] <Kilos> um
[20:09] <Kilos> er
[20:09] <Kilos> not follower
[20:09] <Kilos> succesor
[20:10] <Kilos> but i dunno how to set that flag or whatever its called
[20:10] <Golynx_> ai! here we go again ftp.heanet.ie
[20:10] <Kilos> even if QA goes there chanserv runs away
[20:10] <magespawn> man chanserv ? lol
[20:10] <Kilos> lol
[20:11] <Kilos> theres lots more
[20:11] <magespawn> or /msg chanserv help
[20:11] <Kilos> Syntax: SET <#channel> <setting> [parameters]
[20:11] <Kilos> i dunno what parameters are
[20:12] <Kilos> i think with the successor thing it might stay
[20:12] <Kilos> it told me i got lotsa things
[20:13] <Kilos>  1     Kilos                  +AFRfiorstv (FOUNDER) [modified 1 day, 00:38:23 ago]hat more must i do
[20:17] <Golynx_> ftp.heanet.ie is a download mirror in ireland for ubuntu releases . I see alot of ubuntu iso stuff there
[20:18] <Golynx_> Why its picking on little old me i dunno :/
[20:20] <Golynx_> Kilos in Updates tab in update manager. Can i disable the bottom 3 of the 4 ticks ?
[20:20] <magespawn> bed time good night all 
[20:21] <Golynx_> Install from: Recommended updates  and and Unsupported updates
[20:22] <Golynx_> or just Unsupported updates (precise backports)
[20:26] <Kilos> i dont understand that
[20:27] <Golynx_> me neither :)
[20:28] <Golynx_> btw what is ticked by you at Update tab in update manager
[20:33] <Kilos> lemme look
[20:34] <Golynx_> ok
[20:36] <Kilos> 1st second and 4th
[20:36] <Kilos> ticked
[20:36] <Golynx_> mine is the same
[20:37] <Golynx_> What about Other Software tab
[20:37] <Kilos> ubuntu software top 4 ticked
[20:37] <Golynx_> Ubuntu Software mine is the same
[20:38] <Kilos> other software first 4 plus opera
[20:38] <Kilos> thats it
[20:39] <Golynx_> Only Canonical partners and Independant is ticked by me
[20:40] <Golynx_> Canonical partners and Independant got the (sources) too but thats unticked
[20:41] <Kilos> mine are ticked
[20:41] <Golynx_> Found something interesting on ubuntu help site
[20:42] <Golynx_> It turns out that off does'nt mean off lol
[20:42] <Kilos> partners and independant are ticked
[20:42] <Golynx_> "When the apt job starts, it will sleep for a random period between 0 and APT::Periodic::RandomSleep seconds. The default value is "1800" so that the script will stall for up to 30 minutes (1800 seconds) so that the mirror servers are not crushed by everyone running their updates all at the same time. Only set this to 0 if you use a local mirror and don't mind the load spikes. Note that while the apt job is sleeping it will cause the execution
[20:42] <Golynx_> of the rest of your cron.daily jobs to be delayed."
[20:43] <Golynx_> So it will download stuff anyway after 30 minutes even set at off or "0"
[20:44] <superfly> 0 is not off. 0 is 0 seconds to wait. You could try -1
[20:46] <Golynx_> Are you sure -1 means off superfly ?
[20:47] <superfly> Golynx_: no, it doesn't mean off
[20:47] <superfly> it means set the interval to -1 seconds, which means it's always in the past. This gives you two possible scenarios: either never run, or always run
[20:48] <Golynx_> lol sounds risky 
[20:49] <Golynx_> will google some more ty
[20:52] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[20:52] <charl_> hi Golynx_ 
[21:22] <inetpro> Kilos: 25mm so vêr
[21:22] <Kilos> mooi man
[21:23] <Kilos> 15 hier
[21:23] <inetpro> good evening
[21:23] <Kilos> maar reen nie meer nie
[21:23] <Kilos> hopelik later weer
[21:23] <inetpro> reen nou weer hier
[21:24] <Kilos> lekker
[21:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight