[00:20] <pleia2> hey knome
[00:21] <knome> hello pleia2 
[00:21] <pleia2> we should take this and s/mint/xubuntu http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/start-ubuntu-addis-announcement
[00:22] <knome> pleia2, for the flyer, or in addition?
[00:22] <pleia2> in addition
[00:22] <pleia2> this is a short term thing, probably easy
[00:22] <pleia2> just need to like two sentences and a screenshot and logo :)
[00:22] <knome> i can do the same without ubuntu and create an all-xubuntu look for it
[00:23] <bluesabre> knome is an over-achiever
[00:23] <pleia2> seems like a lot of work, and I do kind of like the ubuntu anchor (since people are starting to know what it is, or at least that it is)
[00:23] <knome> or leave ubuntu for lesser role, without screenshots and stuff
[00:23] <knome> ubuntu or startubuntu?
[00:23] <pleia2> ubuntu
[00:23] <knome> ok, we can leave that
[00:24] <knome> i don't have problems creating a new page either though
[00:24] <knome> wondering what the source format is
[00:24] <knome> sla, so scribus
[00:24] <knome> i can do that.
[00:25] <knome> i guess my hidden thought is that once i've done one poster, we have a template for those
[00:25] <pleia2> I just think this is nice to get done real quick and out the door
[00:25] <knome> give me the weekend, and i'll be ready with it
[00:25] <pleia2> I do still want the xubuntu one finished, but scale is only 3 weeks away now and I'm not sure I'll have time to print that
[00:27] <knome> do you also want the "don't hesitate to write me..."
[00:27] <pleia2> knome: delete that, maybe replace with some kind of generic help link
[00:27] <knome> ok
[00:28] <knome> i'll be in touch with you at latest on monday with a draft
[00:28] <knome> so letter and A4 ?
[00:28] <pleia2> yeah
[00:28] <knome> oki
[00:28] <pleia2> good golly, http://www.ubuntu.com/support still lists lp answers
[00:28] <knome> bluesabre, me? :P
[00:28] <pleia2> imma file ze bug
[00:28] <knome> lol
[00:29] <knome> pleia2, if you have time, please write the text you want
[00:29] <pleia2> will do momentarily
[00:29] <knome> no hurry, i can draft with the existing text
[00:31] <knome> bluesabre, this is something i do for clients, usually in an even tighter schedule...
[00:31] <knome> "can you do me a two-sided a4 broschure with our logos, the deadline is yesterday at noon"
[00:32] <knome> and how can i say no to them? their money is so cute!
[00:32]  * Unit193 votes for the Xubuntu branded one. :P
[00:33] <bluesabre> lol
[00:33] <bluesabre> yeah, but startubuntu can help spread the good word :)
[00:33] <knome> sure
[00:35] <knome> we're not competing their flyer ;)
[00:36] <knome> and i imagine there is people who wish to mostly advocate xubuntu
[00:36] <knome> so who not do that, if there's nothing blocking that and it doesn't eat a lot of our time?
[00:37] <knome> seriously, that looks like a 15-30minute task
[00:38] <knome> and i don't need to even bend time to be able to send the pdf out yesterday! :P
[00:43] <pleia2> I plan on having this uploaded to spreadubuntu.org and sharing it right back with the startubuntu folks
[00:43] <pleia2> I've been involved in the thread developing it, the mint thing surprised me and no likey ;)
[00:43] <pleia2> mint ships things that aren't legal to ship in the US, so promoting it is not really my thing
[00:44] <knome> promoting mint is not really my thing either
[00:44] <pleia2> now I need to stop looking at ubuntu.com, 2 bugs today is enough
[00:45] <knome> even if i don't think it's bad OS, nor do i have problems with their us-legal stuff
[00:45] <knome> pleia2, you ok to drop the startubuntu banner though?
[00:46] <pleia2> I dunno, I was thinking we keep it
[00:46] <knome> oh bah
[00:46] <knome> :)
[00:47] <knome> pleia2, btw... slickymaster probably needs a shell.
[00:47] <pleia2> sure thing
[00:47] <knome> but i'm off to sleep
[00:47] <pleia2> have a good night :)
[00:47] <slickymaster> whatie?!
[00:47] <knome> need to wake up relatively early tomorrow
[00:47] <knome> slickymaster, ha!
[00:47] <knome> nighty to you all as well :)
[00:47] <pleia2> slickymaster: want a shell account?
[00:47] <knome> pleia2, psst, he doesn't know he needs it!
[00:48] <pleia2> the server only randomly reboots every month or so :)
[00:48] <pleia2> haha
[00:48] <slickymaster> I don't even know what are you talking about :)
[00:48] <pleia2> it's how forestpiskie stays on the ircs all the time!
[00:48] <knome> and bluesabre 
[00:48] <bluesabre> yup
[00:48] <slickymaster> hmm, a shell account in what?
[00:49] <knome> slickymaster, in pleia2's server you silly one.
[00:49] <knome> slickymaster, you could run an irc client that's on all the time, so we could poke you all day long.
[00:49]  * slickymaster has to read the logs before asking :P
[00:49] <pleia2> I have a community server set up to give people shell accounts on and host various ubuntu projects (and things like files for our wallpaper contest)
[00:49] <bluesabre> thanks for your help with that, pleia2
[00:49] <knome> yes, thank you!
[00:50] <knome> slickymaster, there's no logs about it :D
[00:50] <knome> slickymaster, i just set you up!
[00:50] <slickymaster> I mean on the -dev channel
[00:50] <knome> i'm lost but that's ok
[00:51] <knome> off to bed :)
[00:51] <slickymaster> well, during work hours I'm behind a proxy
[00:51] <pleia2> ah
[00:51] <pleia2> so you'd need to get out on port 22
[00:51]  * Unit193 wonders if pleia2 has ssh listening on any fun ports.
[00:51] <knome> slickymaster, could still run a shell, and have all backlog ready waiting for you
[00:51] <Unit193> Ah, guess not.
[00:51] <pleia2> Unit193: nope
[00:51] <knome> but... meh
[00:51] <slickymaster> so there's no way I can get a connection with anything  besides using 8080 port
[00:52] <knome> now i'm going ->
[00:52] <pleia2> night knomey
[00:52] <slickymaster> well, knome's got a point there
[00:52] <Unit193> Not even 443 or 53?
[00:52] <Unit193> knome: Good night.
[00:52] <pleia2> Unit193: no :)
[00:52] <slickymaster> have a good one knome 
[00:52] <pleia2> makes me feel icky
[00:53] <Unit193> pleia2: No, I meant slickymaster being able to access.  If you don't have it nor want it that fine, just seems weird what he can't/can access.
[00:53] <pleia2> I know, I meant running it on other ports makes me feel icky ;)
[00:54]  * pleia2 crosses arms
[00:54] <pleia2> it's not right
[00:54] <pleia2> :)
[00:54] <slickymaster> I do see your point pleia2 
[00:54] <Unit193> pleia2: I don't run mine on 22. :D
[00:54] <Unit193> (Not to get around a firewall either.)
[00:55] <slickymaster> otoh my work hours are just a third of my day
[05:03] <Noskcaj> So my pc was stuck at a black screen when i got back from school. Maybe blueman does leak
[05:04] <Unit193> TTY?
[06:45] <Unit193> The plan is to seed the wallpapers?
[08:13] <knome> Unit193, yeeeees
[08:13] <Unit193> Hrm.
[08:13] <elfy> knome: saw backlog - ta
[08:14] <knome> elfy, np
[08:14] <Unit193> 23M Jan 29 15:25 /var/www/ext/xubuntu-community-wallpapers_14.04.0_all.deb so might want to downsize/compress/etc.
[08:14] <knome> yeah, i thought about it, but otoh... meh
[08:14] <knome> talk with ochosi 
[08:14] <Unit193> I have been in contact.
[08:16] <knome> and the answer is? ;)
[08:17] <Unit193> Didn't ask that, only saw the seeding after he went to sleep.
[08:17] <Noskcaj> knome, From what i understand, xkb-plugin 0.7 just makes it work properly with srttings 4.11
[08:17] <pmjdebruijn> 2560x1600 would be a nice target resolution :)
[08:18] <Noskcaj> pmjdebruijn, 4k or nothing
[08:18] <Noskcaj> ;)
[08:18] <Noskcaj> but yeah
[08:18] <Unit193> pmjdebruijn: http://paste.openstack.org/show/t3EPJUQU1O7bf0ROllKl
[08:18] <pmjdebruijn> well
[08:18] <pmjdebruijn> so there are two wallpaper which is silly large
[08:18] <pmjdebruijn> are*
[08:19] <Unit193> knome: Want to fix on the wiki or no?
[08:19] <pmjdebruijn> what are the largest resolution displays atm 3200xsomething
[08:19] <knome> Unit193, ochosi: i guess we could look into making gavin ashes submissions a bit smaller
[08:19] <knome> Unit193, wiki in what sense?
[08:20] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/CommunityWallpapers/Winners ?
[08:20] <knome> what's to fix?
[08:20] <Unit193> Make smaller? :P
[08:20] <knome> ah bleh
[08:21] <knome> i'll confirm with ochosi that it's fine to drop the resolution
[08:21] <knome> but i guess it is
[08:21] <ochosi> oh yes
[08:21] <knome> everything to 2560x *
[08:21] <ochosi> well if pmjdebruijn is fine with dropping the size, i think we can do it ;)
[08:21] <knome> ?
[08:22] <ochosi> yeah
[08:22] <knome> thinking whether we should make an exception for traslasierra, but probably not
[08:22] <elfy> ochosi: call for settings testing went out today - light-locker is included in that
[08:22] <ochosi> thanks a bunch elfy 
[08:23] <knome> ochosi, soooooo... should i do the resizing?
[08:23] <ochosi> knome: for multi-monitor you mean with spanning ?
[08:23] <knome> ochosi, i don't know what i mean. ;)
[08:23] <ochosi> well that would be one reason to keep it larger
[08:23] <ochosi> i don't know what the next-bigger standard resolution is though
[08:23] <knome> i guess we should just resize all to 2560x
[08:24] <knome> sources are always available
[08:24] <ochosi> btw, there is still a little banding in the picture
[08:24] <ochosi> guess i'll contact adrian again...
[08:24] <knome> awwh
[08:24] <ochosi> well it's a lot better already
[08:24] <knome> fix it for good or i'll drop it! :P
[08:24] <ochosi> pmjdebruijn: see what you did to me when we talked about banding?
[08:25] <pmjdebruijn> ochosi: :)
[08:25] <pmjdebruijn> btw the guy I mailed never replied
[08:27] <knome> ochosi, rather cut solitude from the top?
[08:27] <knome> ochosi, or bottom?
[08:27] <knome> ochosi, or the same amount from both
[08:28] <pmjdebruijn> I've tried solitude on my netbook
[08:28] <pmjdebruijn> cutting from teh bottom works best in my opinion
[08:28] <pmjdebruijn> 16:10
[08:28] <knome> otoh the bottom part is what's on focus...
[08:29] <knome> ochosi, waiting for your opinion
[08:31] <knome> ochosi, btw, i need to go relatively soon, so...
[08:34] <knome> ochosi, also, bleh, traslasierra file info says: Software: Adobe Photoshop CC
[08:35] <Unit193> Shhh, just remove that or else we'll have that one bug all over again! :P
[08:35] <knome> didn't ubuntu have that for their default wallpaper once?
[08:35] <Unit193> lp 357218
[08:36] <knome> anyhow, i don't think it's a big thing to have something on the community wallpapers done with non-linux
[08:36] <knome> it's *community* wallpapers
[08:36] <Unit193> Yep.
[08:37] <knome> where's that simon again
[08:42] <knome> elfy, when have you planned to call for exploratory testing?
[08:43] <knome> Unit193, did you have an idea for attributing translators?
[08:44] <Unit193> Not really thought about it.
[08:45] <knome> can you?
[08:48] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu/en_US/ln-idp21533444.html ?
[08:48] <knome> that's as far as my thoughts go, but how do we technically do it?
[08:49] <knome> if we use the launchpad-translators string, it's going to be formatted ugly
[08:50] <knome> okay, i need to run
[08:50] <Unit193> Run fast!
[08:50] <knome> i'm afraid i have to do that
[08:50] <knome> see you later!
[08:51] <Unit193> Either way need to get slick in there.
[08:54] <ochosi> sorry, coffee and breakfast stopped me back there
[08:55] <Unit193> Don't be sorry for that...
[08:55] <ochosi> yeah, well actually i would've become grumpy very soon otherwise
[08:55] <ochosi> :>
[08:56] <ochosi> knome: i'll check them out and give you my opinion in the course of the next hours
[08:56] <ochosi> btw, bubbles also has photoshop in the metadata
[08:57] <ochosi> i personally suggest we drop all the original metadata and replace it with author-name and "xubuntu community wallpaper contest" in the comment
[08:57] <ochosi> and the rest goes
[08:58] <Unit193> And, is that wikipage going to be the source url?  Upload a tarball to there or just send one to me if it's handy. :D
[08:59] <ochosi> yup, will do
[09:15] <ochosi> knome: ok, i offered gavin ash to resize the wallpapers himself. he has been quite responsive so far, so i expect an answer until tomorrow
[10:50] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:50] <bluesabre> morning folks
[10:51] <ochosi> morning bluesabre 
[10:52] <bluesabre> how's it going?
[10:59] <slickymaster> morning bluesabre 
[10:59] <bluesabre> hey slickymaster: what's up?
[10:59] <slickymaster> work, work... and some more work
[11:00] <slickymaster> thank god it's friday
[11:03] <ochosi> :>
[11:03] <bluesabre> no joke
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[12:08] <slickymaster> knome: you around?
[12:12] <brainwash> ochosi: indicator-power cannot be configured via xfce4-power-manager (show icon always, if battery is present, never)
[12:12] <ochosi> brainwash: yeah, ofc
[12:12] <brainwash> ok
[12:13] <brainwash> I cannot test it
[12:13] <ochosi> my patch only allows you to open the settings from the indicator
[12:13] <brainwash> oh
[12:13] <ochosi> what you suggest is much more complex, would mean accessing the whitelist of the indicator-plugin
[12:13] <brainwash> does it require gnome-settings-daemon?
[12:13] <ochosi> (maybe not much more complex, but still)
[12:13] <ochosi> no
[12:14] <brainwash> the mentioned setting can be changed via gnome-control-center or gconf-editor/gsettings
[12:14] <brainwash> xubuntu users would need to use the 2nd way
[12:17] <brainwash> people usually don't like if settings gets hidden, that's the reason I mentioned it
[12:30] <ochosi> well they can easily hide the battery-indicator with the indicator-plugin settings
[12:30] <ochosi> it's just not as finegrain
[12:30] <ochosi> and if they want that, they can use the trayicon for now
[13:22] <elfy> knome: I haven't 
[13:22] <elfy> probably not going to now
[13:40] <elfy> knome: in fact I've postponed it 
[16:36] <ochosi> knome: adrian, one of the wallpaper-winners, asked why we don't go for 2880x1800px as final resolution (that's the resolution of the macbook pro retina), but for 2560x1600
[16:36] <ochosi> i personally don't have a strong opinion on this matter
[16:36] <ochosi> and i don
[16:37] <ochosi> t think that we have that many macbook pro retina users (well, also, they'll have more troubling toolkit problems than just a slightly fuzzy wallpaper)
[16:40] <ochosi> from a scaling pov, there's no problem, both resolutions have a ratio of 1.6
[16:41] <ochosi> and i think we have all (or most) wallpapers in big-enough size
[16:41] <ochosi> so yeah, frankly i don't really care :>
[16:43] <ochosi> ali1234: i hope you don't mind that i just pinged tedg. thought maybe it helps if more than one person ping him about indicators
[16:43] <ali1234> i don't mind at all
[16:53] <ochosi> doesn't seem like i'm getting any answers either though
[16:58] <ochosi> ali1234: wanna join the discussion?
[16:59] <ochosi> seems like a good time
[18:29] <elfy> lderan: get any further with that a/p list than the one I saw the other day? 
[18:30] <lderan> elfy, not yet, will be working on it this evening & tomorrow :)
[18:30] <elfy> ok :)
[18:31] <elfy> personally I think that if we manage to get this stuff working for Unreal Unicorn we (or rather those who did it) have done well]
[18:32]  * lderan hopes that is the name of the 14.10 release
[18:33] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[18:33] <elfy> it won't be - except in my head 
[18:33] <lderan> and now in mine 
[18:37] <elfy> my work is done ... 
[19:07] <elfy> hi Noskcaj - updates brought the -admins back now - cheers
[19:07] <Noskcaj> no problem. I screwed up pretty badly on that one
[19:08] <elfy> well - stuff happens - it's in what happens afterwards that makes the difference 
[19:08] <elfy> no-one's perfect - apart from forestpiskie 
[19:09] <elfy> it'd have been a bigger issue at the end of April - why we test and look at things :)
[19:22] <brainwash> Noskcaj: regarding users-admin, do you thing we could replace the outdated group "admin" with the "sudo" group?
[19:22] <brainwash> see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/gnome-system-tools/trusty/view/head:/src/users/user-profiles.conf.in
[19:23] <Noskcaj> I can't see why not, but this would have to be an ubuntu wide change
[19:23] <brainwash> right, it's distribution specific
[19:24] <brainwash> currently looking for the bug report
[19:24] <brainwash> this one is fixed now I guess bug 1273305
[19:24] <brainwash> ok, got it
[19:24] <brainwash> bug 1016932
[19:26] <brainwash> release note regarding "admin"/"sudo" group
[19:27] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop#PrecisePangolin.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure.Common_Infrastructure
[20:31] <brainwash> Noskcaj: you gonna take care of these 2 reports? should I create a branch for the 2nd one?
[20:32] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I've said before, you understand the problem, it's probably better you try to fix it
[20:32] <Noskcaj> I'm trying to update our version of pidgin
[20:32] <brainwash> ok, please mark the first report as fixed :)
[20:33] <brainwash> bug 1273305