[00:04] <SolidLog> I think I tried that & it didn't work
[00:04] <SolidLog> Probably m fingers fault
[00:04] <SolidLog> my*
[00:09] <SolidLog> Side question. Have you guys tried the Steam OS?
[00:10] <knome> !offtopic | SolidLog
[00:12] <SolidLog> My apologies
[00:13] <xubuntu986> Hello everyone!
[00:15] <David-A> !hi
[00:57] <cubed_root> what limitations might i see by installing a 32-bit xubuntu on a 64-bit machine>
[00:58] <cubed_root> just realized this is what i did, installed xubuntu about a week ago
[00:58] <Unit193> You can't use 64bit programs.
[00:59] <cubed_root> that's it?  are there limits to the RAM i can use? i have 6GB
[00:59] <cubed_root> *limits to the RAM the OS can access i should say
[01:00] <bazhang> !pae
[01:00] <Unit193> Sniped.
[01:00] <bazhang> thats out of date
[01:01] <Unit193> Yep, it's enabled by default.
[01:01] <bazhang> all of them are PAE iirc
[01:01] <bazhang> yep
[01:01] <cubed_root> so xubuntu has access to > 3.2 RAM?
[01:01] <cubed_root> i guess i can check my task mgr
[01:02] <SolidLog> Reinstall 64-bit
[01:03] <cubed_root> can i do that over my current 32-bit installation?
[01:03] <SolidLog> Just wipe over it
[01:03] <SolidLog> Backup files you've made
[01:04] <SolidLog> And put them back on after the 64-bit install
[01:04] <cubed_root> i might do that
[01:04] <cubed_root> i've made a lot of customizations though
[01:05] <SolidLog> Go make a document listing what you've done & back that document up?
[01:05] <SolidLog> I'm wondering if Ubuntu Software Centre or Ubuntu One (Idk if xubuntu has that) will sync/backup settings you've made
[01:06] <Unit193> You should be able to use all the ram, but if you specifically want 64bit, you can do the re-install.
[01:06] <cubed_root> SolidLog: by 'make a document listing' do you mean manually document the changes i've made
[01:09] <SolidLog> cubed_root: Yeah, I couldn't think of any other way, just go look at what you've done or just wing it on the re-install. I still wonder if you can use ubuntu one/ubuntu software centre to remember settings or programs you've installed & let it sync up when you sign into that service next time
[01:09] <cubed_root> yea, it wouldn't be the end of the world if just started over again, but i might wait until i have more time.  but in the meantime i'll dig around for an upgrade optin
[01:09] <cubed_root> option
[01:10] <SolidLog> cubed_root: If you have a 64-bit pc & 6gbs of Ram you still definitely want to install the 64-bit version.
[01:10] <SolidLog> I don't think you can upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit
[01:10] <SolidLog> Has to be a fresh install
[01:10] <bazhang> reinstall is it
[01:11] <cubed_root> hm.. what's the easist way to see if how much ram i'm using in total right now?
[01:11] <cubed_root> task mgr is only showing me individual processes
[01:13] <cubed_root> n/m system profiler is showing me total mem: 6 mil kB, free mem: 5 mil kB
[01:13] <cubed_root> sorry 4 mil kB free
[01:15] <SolidLog> I'm on Ubuntu Studio (Which is supposed to be very similar to xubuntu) & I honestly find going through settings to find that kind of info a maze without an end.
[01:16] <SolidLog> Look for System Monitor
[01:16] <SolidLog> cube_root: System Monitor shows my ram
[01:17] <cubed_root> lol - i hear you solidlog
[01:17] <cubed_root> yes -- i see it in system monitor too, very good thanks!
[01:17] <cubed_root> it's showing 6GB
[01:18] <SolidLog> Really?
[01:18] <SolidLog> That's weird. Run a few servers or VM's & see if you can use it all
[01:28] <Unit193> SolidLog: As we said, PAE lets you use more ram than standard 32bit.
[01:29] <Unit193> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
[01:30] <SolidLog> Unit193: What about the rest of the 64-bit function though? On a 32-bit o/s will that PAE let the CPU use its full 64-bit potential though? Or can you even install 64-bit programs?
[01:30] <SolidLog> That was my main concern
[01:31] <SolidLog> Figured skip jumping through hoops of fire & just re-install it with a 64-bit o/s so that he doesn't have to worry about not getting full function out of the pc. I'm no pc pro, only one way to learn I suppose.
[01:39] <cubed_root> i think i'll reinstall but need to finish a few things for work first
[01:47] <cubed_root> irc messages aren't secure, correct? more like http than https?
[01:49] <bazhang> publically logged channel messages? or private messages
[01:49] <Unit193> !logs
[01:50] <bazhang> or !1984
[01:50] <cubed_root> PMs I guess I mean
[01:51] <cubed_root> i'm thinking of the password i send to nickserv
[01:51] <bazhang> sure they are
[01:51] <cubed_root> ok cool
[01:51] <bazhang> just use the server window of your client
[01:51] <bazhang> are you logged in using sasl?
[01:52] <Unit193> Enable SSL and you'll be in better shape.
[01:53] <cubed_root> on my irc client?
[02:26] <cubed_root> wow, loving the linux world -- can't believe this much OS power is free
[06:31] <WalterN> herm... I get a kernel panic when I try to boot up the netinstall ISO
[06:31] <WalterN> for 13.10
[06:47] <WalterN> oh maybe its because of UEFI
[06:49] <Unit193> Panic?
[06:50] <WalterN> yeah, a lot panic
[06:51] <WalterN> it could also be because of the new AMD A10-7850k processor?
[06:52] <WalterN> also, vodka is magic
[09:54] <poopuser> Hi. I got problem with 13.10. The operating system does not recognize my phone (sony experia). It can access other usb media. The phone works on rhel installed on different pc. This is output of dmsg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6848533/
[09:56] <cfhowlett> poopuser, sounds like an MTP issue.  google up.
[09:57] <poopuser> cfhowlett: will od. Thanks.
[09:58] <cfhowlett> poopuser, don't know what you doing, but see Airdroid android app for quick/easy transfers
[10:45] <poopuser> cfhowlett: I've just noticed that file transfer is set as massive storage not MTP. I am wandering: does the MTP still applies to this situation?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> poopuser, per your android settings, you should be able to switch your device to "camera" mode
[10:49] <KeyboardNotFound> How to view which xubuntu version Do I have ?
[10:50] <cfhowlett> KeyboardNotFound, in a terminal lsb_release -a
[10:50] <KeyboardNotFound> cfhowlett, thanks man :)
[10:50] <cfhowlett> KeyboardNotFound, no prob
[11:16] <xubuntu572> hi
[11:17] <xubuntu572> i have a question
[11:17] <xubuntu572> What do you think about this
[11:17] <xubuntu572> Hi, I am a glad user Xubuntu 12.04 LTS. Why? I have graphics card ATI RADEON 5450 (official is this series 4xxx). I need proprietary drivers (steam and more). In later versions can not be used only free drivers.Therefore, I ask whether the new LTS version is going to use, as in 12.04 LTS or no non-free drivers we just unlucky?  Thanks for the answer.
[13:27] <xubuntu666> salve a tutti! ci sono italiani?
[13:28] <xubuntu666> ho una richiesta, ho un pc abbastanza potente con 4 giga di ram un processore 2.7 dual cose e 500 giga di memoria, volevo sapere qual'era la versione ubuntu ecc più potente  da installare? grazie!!
[13:30] <xubuntu666> hi, I need some help is someone free to talk with me five seconds?
[13:30] <elfy> !ask
[13:31] <xubuntu666> thnk you!!!
[13:32] <xubuntu666> I would like to know whic is the latest version to install? I've got a pc with 4 giga ram 2.7giga dual core processor anda more than 500 giga hard disk... I want to change from windows 8.1 what version should I take?
[13:36] <Myrtti> well the latest is the latest, if you want the latest then that's 13.10 as 14.04 is still three months away
[13:36] <Myrtti> unless you specifically want to use alpha2 level stuff
[13:38] <xubuntu666> thank you very much, is just like what I was thinking :)
[16:43] <xubuntu803> hi! someone speak italian?
[16:43] <xubuntu803> .......
[16:44] <baizon> !it
[16:45] <xubuntu803> thank you
[17:04] <starrats> here's a link to checkout!    http://www.lwks.com/  it came from the ubuntu page on FB!
[17:04] <starrats> xubuntu page from FB, sorry
[17:15] <leftist> afternoon. i am trying to find an environment that is closest to 10.04 ubuntu. is xubuntu 12.04 close?
[17:16] <leftist> i cant stand all this unity shit. i know what i like and the closet i have is centos but i prefer to use something else for my laptop. i use centos server primarily but it's kinda strict as a desktop enviornment. not as flexable as debian/ubuntu enviornments for apps etc.
[17:16] <elfy> if you are looking to not use unity - then I moved to xubuntu for that reason - but it's not the same
[17:16] <elfy> !language
[17:17] <leftist> well heck what the kids listen to on the radio is a million times worse than what i said. laugh.
[17:17] <leftist> elfy so your saying xubuntu is more flexable?
[17:18] <elfy> I find it fine for me yes
[17:18] <leftist> i really prefer gnome 2.x
[17:18] <elfy> well it's not that
[17:18] <elfy> get the live cd/usb and check it out - best help I can give you :)
[17:18] <leftist> we still have laptops we use with 10.04 /10.10 because of the frustration level with all the otehr desktop management systems.
[17:19] <leftist> okie dokie
[17:44] <xubuntu705> hi
[17:45] <xubuntu705> hello hellooooo
[18:22] <tim_> hi....i need some help to config steam under xubuntu....
[18:23] <tim_> after installing steam and downloading a free2play-game it doesnt start when i am trying!
[18:25] <elfy> tim_: I have no idea - I'd wait and see if someone else does - but you might actually like to try #ubuntu-steam
[18:40] <21WACA4GV> tim_: what game
[19:21] <kaerhon> hi xubuntu
[19:21] <kaerhon> i need help
[19:21] <kaerhon> i just re-install my os
[19:22] <kaerhon> i was on lubuntu 32 bits for more than one year
[19:22] <kaerhon> i made something stupid, didn't understand it well, and thought it was time to clear everything to work on a clean base
[19:23] <kaerhon> someone told me that my processor was 64b
[19:23] <kaerhon> so i installed xubuntu 12.04 64
[19:23] <kaerhon> the problem is that it is slow
[19:23] <kaerhon> could it be the 64b os fault?
[19:23] <kaerhon> as my computer is 5 years old
[19:24] <kaerhon> and ran well before setup
[19:24] <kaerhon> i think it is really slow only for firefox
[19:26] <holstein> kaerhon: how much memory do you have? you have lots of differences that i see.. likely, you had lubuntu 12.04 and you installed xubuntu 13.10.. you used to run an older version that was 32bit running lxde.. now you have 64bit xfce based that is not the same version
[19:28] <kaerhon> i installed xubuntu 12.04
[19:28] <kaerhon> memory, RAM?
[19:28] <kaerhon> the label on my laptop tells me 4 GB DDR2
[19:28] <holstein> kaerhon: ok.. so, thats one of the variables.. was lubuntu 12.04?
[19:29] <kaerhon> yes
[19:29] <kaerhon> it was a lubuntu installed after the initial setup
[19:29] <holstein> kaerhon: so, the other differences are to be explored, then. 4g'bs is when i consider running 64bit versions
[19:32] <kaerhon> so i can consider that 64b os to be well fed with my config
[19:32] <kaerhon> hmm
[19:32] <kaerhon> i think the real is firefox's speed
[19:33] <kaerhon> the real issue, sorry
[19:33] <kaerhon> it's slow
[19:33] <kaerhon> everything else seems to be fine, that's that i open ff first
[19:34] <kaerhon> i need to try something
[19:35] <holstein> kaerhon: did you bring a config with you for firefox?
[19:36] <kaerhon> yes
[19:36] <kaerhon> i just erased it
[19:37] <kaerhon> that's what i wanted to try
[19:37] <kaerhon> (now i only save and import bookmarks)
[19:37] <holstein> kaerhon: then, remove it from the equation
[19:37] <holstein> kaerhon: you can test ff from the guest account, or move your config temporarily
[19:37] <kaerhon> yes
[19:38] <kaerhon> i'll connect to guest account
[19:38] <kaerhon> brb
[19:40] <guest-CaAbF3> hi again
[19:43] <kaerhon> it's slow again
[19:43] <kaerhon> even with no bookmarks
[19:44] <holstein> kaerhon: all i can suggest is troubleshooting and removing the above variables and differences
[19:44] <kaerhon> should i go back to 32b lubuntu?
[19:45] <kaerhon> with all those lost RAM gbs?
[19:45] <holstein> kaerhon: you dont lose anything
[19:45] <kaerhon> can 64b firefox be that much heavy than his 32b self?
[19:45] <kaerhon> oh
[19:46] <holstein> kaerhon: the PAE 32bit kernel supports all 4
[19:46] <kaerhon> oh
[19:46] <kaerhon> nice
[19:46] <holstein> kaerhon: you cannot assume this is a 32/64bit thing
[19:46] <kaerhon> yeah
[19:46] <kaerhon> can it be a GC driver issue,
[19:46] <kaerhon> ?
[19:47] <holstein> kaerhon: GC = graphics ?
[19:47] <kaerhon> yes
[19:47] <kaerhon> card
[19:47] <holstein> kaerhon: sure.. could be anything. i would try and remove the variables and see what the issue is
[19:47] <kaerhon> ok
[19:47] <kaerhon> i'l try to change the driver, then
[19:48] <holstein> what driver were you using before?
[19:48] <kaerhon> but i'm affraid, because yesterday i chose the wrong driver and x didn't start anymore, and i'm not levelled enough to ride the machine in commandline mode
[19:49] <kaerhon> second problem is that i do not remember what nvidia driver version was in charge yesterday, before the mistake
[19:49] <holstein> kaerhon: dont be afraid.. you literally just installed, and are 8 minutes from a fresh install
[19:49] <kaerhon> yes
[19:49] <holstein> kaerhon: i typically install, and fool about with drivers, and other software. then, i might do a fresh install and go with what worked well in my testing
[19:50] <kaerhon> i'm an obsessive person, ready to jump in avery way to be afraid :p
[19:50] <kaerhon> ok
[19:50] <kaerhon> so i take a paper, take notes, and fool that b***h over
[19:50] <kaerhon> (could it be flash?
[19:50] <kaerhon> or java?)
[19:51] <holstein> kaerhon: sure.. is flash slow?
[19:51] <holstein> kaerhon: you said "firefox".. not flash
[19:52] <kaerhon> yes, but flash isn't installed yet
[19:52] <kaerhon> maybe it is lacking?
[19:52] <kaerhon> don't know if it is possible
[19:52] <holstein> kaerhon: are you having issues with flash content?
[19:52] <holstein> kaerhon: you said "firefox" generally..
[19:52] <kaerhon> (even moving firefox is laggy)
[19:53] <kaerhon> no issues with flash contents, flash is absent
[19:53] <holstein> kaerhon: sure. but why? is it the graphics card driver? is it compositing?
[19:53] <kaerhon> hmm
[19:53] <kaerhon> other windows don't lag
[19:53] <holstein> kaerhon: then, its likely not flash causing the issue.. i would try turning off compositing.. i would try different graphics drivers
[19:53] <holstein> kaerhon: then, try another browser
[19:53] <kaerhon> ok
[19:54] <holstein> kaerhon: have you updated? are you using the most recent firefox? were you using the most recent firefox?
[19:54] <kaerhon> i have updated
[19:54] <kaerhon> was using the most recent, i think
[19:54] <kaerhon> now, firefox is 26.0
[19:54] <holstein> kaerhon: then, you dont know.. and that difference in version could be causing this.. *if* thats a different version
[19:55] <holstein> kaerhon: you have many variables
[19:55] <kaerhon> i just disabled compositing
[19:55] <kaerhon> no
[19:55] <holstein> thats a difference.. lubuntu doesnt have that
[19:55] <kaerhon> compositing is not in cause
[19:56] <holstein> kaerhon: and the graphics driver? i would install the same one you have before
[19:56] <kaerhon> :D
[19:56] <holstein> i would try a different browser
[19:56] <kaerhon> what browser do you suggest?
[19:57] <kaerhon> i don't know if konqueror would be a good choice, as it would bringeven more variables with his kde stuff
[19:57] <holstein> kaerhon: literally *any* as a test
[19:57] <kaerhon> ok
[19:57] <holstein> kaerhon: dont worry about "good".. just do different
[19:58] <holstein> kaerhon: chromium is in the repos and not KDE related.. midori is light
[19:58] <holstein> kaerhon: im not saying "switch to this browser".. this is literally a test.. is firefox the problem? i dont konw, but this is one way to see
[19:58] <kaerhon>  ithink the guest session is blocking me
[19:58] <kaerhon> brb
[19:59] <kaerhon> yeah i see what you mean
[19:59] <kaerhon> i'm gonna try all of these if needed
[19:59] <kaerhon> and finish by graphics card drivers, as i don't want to mess with live cds again
[19:59] <holstein> kaerhon: or, just install what was working before, and add xfce, or xubuntu-desktop
[20:00] <kaerhon> isn't xubuntu-desktop in the xubuntu installation?
[20:00] <kaerhon> aaah
[20:00] <kaerhon> ok
[20:00] <kaerhon> brb, i go to my session
[20:00] <holstein> kaerhon: xubuntu-desktop is in the repos.. its available from lubuntu
[20:00] <kaerhon> ok
[20:06] <loula> back
[20:06] <kaerhon> chuta
[20:06] <kaerhon> installing lubuntu-desktop
[20:07] <kaerhon> so much packages not found
[20:10] <kaerhon> lubuntu + chromium works well
[20:11]  * kaerhon launching firefox
[20:11] <kaerhon> oh
[20:11] <kaerhon> that works well
[20:12] <kaerhon> there's something between firefow and xfce i think
[20:12] <kaerhon> on my machine
[20:12] <kaerhon> thank you for your time
[20:12] <kaerhon> and your help
[20:13] <kaerhon> i'm now ready to do my job
[20:13] <kaerhon> :D
[21:10] <kaerhon> hi again
[21:10] <kaerhon> problem is solved
[21:11] <kaerhon> about slow firefox after install
[21:11] <kaerhon> it was nvidia drivers
[21:56] <danmc> xubuntu 13.10, older P4/3GHz system with onboard intel video.  Almost all is good except for flash (youtube, etc).  Those look like: http://imagebin.org/289831  Any suggestions on how to debug/fix?
[21:57] <kaerhon64> wow
[21:57] <kaerhon64> no idea, sorry
[21:58] <Unit193> Mhmm, yep.
[21:58] <danmc> its like the video is trying to play in a different resolution than the rest of everything.
[21:58] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1173649
[22:01] <danmc> reading....
[22:01] <Unit193> Several comments down has a fix.
[22:03] <Unit193> If you have a LP account, feel free to comment if you can provide more information.
[22:07] <danmc> Unit193:  trying that now.  I do have a LP account so will add to it.
[22:10] <Unit193> http://paste.progval.net/show/0RlTSGrypiYP53VELxB3 I had to use a slightly different one.
[22:15] <danmc> hmm.  that had an unfortunate effect.  Installed that 00-xorg.conf, set permissions to match the other files there.  Rebooted.  The xubuntu graphic showed briefly and now I'm sitting on a blank screen.
[22:15] <danmc> no login window
[22:16] <Unit193> Can you move to a TTY?
[22:17] <danmc> how does one do that with xubuntu?  I didn't turn on sshd.
[22:17] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+F3
[22:18] <danmc> hmmm.  no go there either.
[22:20] <Unit193> Can't get to that?  If not, change the boot from ..."quiet splash" to "text"
[22:25] <danmc> ctrl+alt+f3 didn't do anything.
[22:27] <danmc> where does the boot stuff get configured?  I suppose I can boot from a live cd and comment out that xorg.conf bit.
[22:29] <Unit193> That'd work too.  You just edit the grub line, it'll only be used for one boot.  Left shift when booting.
[22:43] <danmc> Unit193:  it turns out that if I don't make a typo on that config file (space between "Default" and "Depth") it works better!  I really appreciate your help.  Video looks great now!
[22:44] <danmc> will chime in on LP
[22:44] <Unit193> XD
[22:44] <Unit193> danmc: Sure, any time.
[23:44] <KoreanZombie> hey, I have a question that may be kinda stupid so sorry if it is but are R9 280X's considered to be in the HD 7900 series? that's what I get when I type "sudo actionfig --adapter=all --odgt"
[23:48] <KoreanZombie> anyone?