[00:21] <jirido> Will 14.04 be LTS and how much hassle is it to upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10
[00:21] <jirido> Is it like one command and login and out?
[00:23] <pleia2> 14.04 will be LTS (for 3 years), upgrading from 12.04 to 13.10 requires you to go: 12.04 > 12.10 > 13.04 > 13.10, not simple
[00:23] <pleia2> but 12.04 lubuntu was not LTS, so doing 12.04 to 14.04 isn't officially supported either
[00:24] <jirido> so it is a crachabe adventure
[00:24] <jirido> crashable*
[00:26] <jirido> Can one do it with over the net? and like not sort out the problems untill one run 13.10
[00:26] <jirido> Actuly the x problems
[00:27] <jirido> actually*
[00:29] <jirido> And will the user enviroment one had with ones settings and installed programs still be there
[00:29] <jirido> ?
[02:18] <mattlb> Ihe
[02:18] <mattlb> Hi
[02:19] <mattlb> I have a problem with a webcam.
[02:56] <holstein> !webcam | mattlb
[03:01] <mattlb> The cam starts in cheese but freezes when I hit record
[03:55] <mattlb> what do you mean by !webcam?
[03:55] <holstein> mattlb: that made the bot share that link to help on webcams
[03:56] <holstein> mattlb: what are you trying to do?
[03:57] <mattlb> im trying to get help with a webcam problem
[03:58] <holstein> mattlb: sure.. and that problem is, as i read, the cheese application freezes when trying to record? correct? so, my follow up question is, specifially, what are you trying to do? make a movie? a skype call? im going to offer suggestions based on what you are tyring to do..
[03:59] <mattlb> Sorry. Im just trying to record short videos
[04:00] <holstein> mattlb: ok.. so, have you tried soemthing other than chees? otherwise, you are assuming this is a webcam problem.. could be an issue with cheese..
[04:01] <mattlb> ive tried kamoso. It records the video but it is slow and jerky.
[04:01] <holstein> mattlb: have you tried relaxing the settings?
[04:02] <mattlb> there is no resolution setting
[04:02] <holstein> mattlb: you wont be able to dial up some software settings to make sub-par, consumerish hardware behave like professional HD equipment
[04:02] <mattlb> mike
[04:02] <mattlb> nm sorry
[04:03] <holstein> mattlb: there should be frames settings, and resolution, otherwise, i would try a different tool.. such as vlc
[04:03] <holstein> mattlb: have you tried VLC?
[04:03] <mattlb> how do i record video in vlc
[04:03] <holstein> vlc is well supported, and will likely be the best case scenario for your hardware
[04:04] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z5c28rd5Wk
[04:04] <holstein> http://www.gofree.com/Tutorials/VLCVideoWebcam.php
[04:04] <holstein> nice think about vlc is, its very similar on all platforms, as far as the UI
[04:06] <mattlb> thanks
[04:06] <holstein> but, there are many applications, so dont get stuck on trying to use VLC.. try it for a few minutes, and if you cnt get it working, move on
[04:07] <holstein> you can share your specs here, and i can tell you if i feel you are having unrealistic expectations for the hardware
[04:08] <mattlb> its a insperon mini 10 the cam worked fine in windows. moved to linux to free up resources.
[04:09] <holstein> mattlb: yeah, thats not going to do gitter-free recording
[04:09] <holstein> mattlb: you will need to be very open-minded, and resource consious
[04:09] <holstein> for tasks such as webcam streaming, you might get "better" support in windows, since the drivers could be supporting the hardware better from the manufacturer in linux
[04:10] <holstein> i mean, in windows
[04:10] <holstein> the webcam may not work better in linux
[04:12] <mattlb> im not talking about jitter i mean it is really unusable
[04:13] <holstein> mattlb: sure.. the webcam may be un-useable in linux
[04:13] <holstein> mattlb: what you will have to do is, basically, provide your own support, as you have agreed to
[04:13] <mattlb> lol ok thanks
[04:13] <holstein> mattlb: i found an image from dell for ubuntu for a mini9 i refurbed
[04:14] <holstein> and ubuntu operatin system image.. i think it was 12.04 based
[04:14] <holstein> it would have the main ubuntu repos, so you could add lxde
[04:14] <holstein> mattlb: have you tried VLC?
[04:16] <mattlb> it was about the same as kamoso
[04:16] <mattlb> only i cant find the video files
[04:16] <holstein> mattlb: and, you set the settings lower? adjusted the frame rate?
[04:24] <mattlb> its recording ok but it doesnt show on screen while it is recording
[04:25] <holstein> mattlb: sure... you can likely stream it as well as recording it, but that will use more resources
[04:27] <mattlb> to save it I use convert instead of play right?
[04:27] <holstein> mattlb: i havent done it myself in years... but that sounds right.. stream to a file is how i used to do it
[04:28] <holstein> im out for the evening. you can ask in #ubuntu if its slow in here.. cheers!
[04:29] <mattlb> thanks
[09:55] <onto> Hi! I am having some issues with sound under ubuntu. I get the following error messages: http://pastebin.ca/2611918 and no sound
[09:56] <onto> AFAIK, the issue came up after an apt-get autoremove and a reboot.
[11:31] <xikofreak> hi everyone im new on linux and i want to know why are so slower than windows 7 to start applications, there some way to fix it?
[11:33] <xikofreak> my system is: AMD athlon 2.6 X2 +5000, 4 GB RAM DDR2, 1 GB video card
[11:33] <koell> xikofreak: slower? my applications actually starting faster than on win 7
[11:33] <xikofreak> yes, are slower
[11:34] <xikofreak> i dont why :/ for example, when i open some app in win 7 take 2-3 sec to open in lubuntu take 5-10 sec
[11:38] <koell> weird situation, i got the same the other way
[11:39] <xikofreak> im using lubuntu because its so lightweight
[11:39] <xikofreak> reading in internet ive seen a lot ppl concern this situation
[11:40] <xikofreak> it seems doesnt have solution, probably its a hardware problem?
[12:13] <maxiaojun> lxrandr created autostart file seems ignored
[12:14] <maxiaojun> lubuntu 13.10 fresh install
[12:16] <maxiaojun> any one?
[12:29] <jirido> HI .. I wonder if someone here knows how to use cursor without mouse.. in gnome and kde there is some ways to enable numpad to navigate the cursor.. is there something i can use in lxde?
[12:59] <koell> jirido: on a thinkpad u can use the red joystick :)
[13:00] <koell> maxiaojun: where is ur autorun file located?
[13:00] <maxiaojun> .config/autostart
[13:00] <maxiaojun> ~/.config/autostart
[13:02] <maxiaojun> I find that Preferences => Default applications for LXSession => Autostart => Disable auto started applications? defaults to be "config-only"
[13:02] <jirido> koell: No i think more like using numpad.. I got electromagnetic schock in my nervsystem from radiating mouse
[13:02] <maxiaojun> which disables the autostart file created by lxrandr
[13:02] <jirido> :(
[13:03] <jirido> I just found a guide i trying! could be sweet for lubuntu
[13:04] <jirido> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=31747&f=4
[13:05] <maxiaojun> change "Disable autostarted applications?" repeatedly can crash X...
[13:07] <koell> maxiaojun: try to use the autostart file located at /home/USERNAME/.config/lxession/SESSION/autostart
[13:07] <jirido> when i have edit openbox rc.xml and added new keybindings.. how can i check if they conflict..is there some keybinduing gui that collects them all? right now some of the ones that should be used for this mouse thing mowes windows around :%
[13:08] <koell> jirido: u can also try to take a look at tiling window managers like i3wm
[13:08] <maxiaojun> the problem is that lxrandr saves to ~/.config/autostart
[13:09] <koell> maxiaojun: this file nevere worked for me for autostart. :(
[13:09] <jirido> and if i gona use this xwit and xdotool will they be launched by the keybindings or do i have to start them manually?
[13:10] <koell> jirido: im sorry i cant help. maybe there are  few people later on here. im a bobo as well :)
[13:10] <maxiaojun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxrandr/+bug/621689
[13:10] <jirido> Kiss you sweetheart! Its ok
[13:11] <koell> jirido: is it dangerous for u to use a mouse? i've never heard before of that
[13:11] <maxiaojun> the fix was save a .desktop invoking xrandr into ~/.config/autostart
[13:13] <jirido> No i know but the diods in mouses radiates from there frequenses and make like bad acupunkture and screws up the meridian flow and then the arm gets weak
[13:13] <holstein> maybe.. or, it could be just normal overuse
[13:14] <jirido> Usualy one dont notise and think its "Normal" but if one start to masage and work with them one can notise
[13:14] <koell> jirido: u should really try i3 window manager. it's a good and fast solution i think
[13:14] <jirido> ok
[13:16] <jirido> I use irsi and pentadactyl in FF but still going for that mouse at to many times.. i got old ball mouse now but its also bad.. our nervsystem is about 1.5 -3 v  7-15 hz /swings a sec a usb is 5 v and how many swings hz..
[13:18] <jirido> It limmits sensetivity and also ability to hear fine things from inside like is needed for lucid dreaming and such
[13:19] <holstein> i think if one pushed a mouse shaped chunk of wood around as much as the mouse, one would find a similar level of fatigue..
[13:19] <pseudo0815> Hello! I have a question. Could someone tell me briefly why i getting gtk-warnings if start a gui application in terminal without "gksu -u <user>" or a keyword for google?!
[13:19] <jirido> have to take down as much of nois as posible.. Fans leaking condensators screeaming screen lighters
[13:20] <holstein> pseudo0815: what warnings?
[13:20] <pseudo0815> e.g. Gtk-Warning: gtk-widget_size_allocate()...
[13:20] <holstein> pseudo0815: if things are working as expected, i wouldnt worry about the messages
[13:21] <jirido> Electronics ar noisy on that level that leaves mind blank and glossy.. like when one has been in woods for a couple weeks.. or at the sea.. magic start to nib at ones feets
[13:22] <jirido> I3
[13:48] <speckmade> gosh - I wasn't there for beta testing... :-(
[13:49] <speckmade> Did you notice that in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml the <keybind key="C-A-l"> should link to "gnome-screensaver-command -l" instead of "xscreensaver-command -lock"?
[13:51] <speckmade> btw: Firefox seems distinctly more sluggish on my maschine and is much worse on the small screen of my netbook
[17:14] <arizona> Hi, I'm trying to install last lubuntu on a laptop (acer aspire 1350 with ram updated to 2GO)
[17:15] <arizona> I installed lubuntu 10 on the same laptop a few years ago with a few problems but it was OK
[17:15] <arizona> Today, the live CD leads to a black page watever option I choose (acpi=off etc.)
[17:16] <arizona> Install seems to work, but when I start the system it freeze on the lubuntu logo...
[17:18] <arizona> From what I've read on forums, it could be video pilot problem, but as I have no error, I can't say
[17:18] <arizona> I may need help... :)
[17:23] <holstein> arizona: could be you dont support pae
[17:24] <holstein> arizona: have you tried 12.04?
[17:25] <arizona> The last version I tried was 10 something and it worked with a few tricks
[17:26] <arizona> then I upgraded to 11 something and was OK too
[17:26] <holstein> arizona: sure.. so, why not try 12.04? or search and see if your hardware supports pae
[17:26] <holstein> !nomodeset | also can be helpful, though, i was assuming you were implying you had tried that
[17:28] <arizona> Thanks. I tried every F6 combination, but live CD always leads to black page
[17:30] <arizona> I may try 12.04 but I'm surprised I have no warning or error, just black page or logo freeze
[17:30] <holstein> arizona: ok.. so, assuming that means you have tried specifically the nomodeset option, it could be that your machine doesnt support PAE
[17:30] <holstein> !pae
[17:30] <holstein> and that wont get you there...
[17:31] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE arizona ..which is also assuming that is the issue
[17:31] <holstein> this is the order i would go in.. A. is the hardware good? tested by using a known good live CD (ubuntu 10.04, as you stated worked) or a supported operating system (im assuming windows)
[17:32] <holstein> B. if the hardware is OK, then trying with the vesa driver (as nomodeset should, as i read) will take the driver support out of the euqation.. then, i would move on to C. is the machine PAE capable.. or, is it another hardware issue? bad ram bad hard drive.. etc
[17:33] <arizona> Hardware seems OK, It was running Windows WP then lubuntu. I've tried nomodeset with no result
[17:33] <holstein> arizona: "seems" means you are assuming.. if you are comfortable with that, move on,  and realize you can be wasting time trying to address a hardware issue in software
[17:34] <arizona> I'm sorry, I'm french so I don't know all the meanings in english
[17:36] <arizona> But as a funny fact i'm connected right now with the live cd of lubuntu (first screen of install, there is a link to documentation with tabs)
[17:37] <holstein> !fr
[17:37] <holstein> arizona: you said, the live CD for 13.10 was not loading.. is that true?
[17:37] <arizona> How coul'd I try vesa driver while installing ?
[17:37] <holstein> arizona: you are *not* able to get to a live desktop in 13.30?
[17:39] <arizona> OK: When I get to the screen of the live CD, I press F6, then check no acpiand nomodeset (and two other options I've red on documentation), then lauch withaut install
[17:39] <arizona> It leads to a black screen and nothing happens
[17:40] <holstein> !vesa
[17:40] <holstein> what would i do? i would try the minimal iso, and see if i can get ubuntu to install
[17:40] <holstein> !minimal
[17:41] <holstein> then, i would be able to install what i want "lubuntu-desktop" for example, and add a custom xorg.conf for the vesa driver, if needed
[17:41] <holstein> or, i would then know if its a lack of PAE support
[17:42] <arizona> I've read about minimal ISO (so I can install whatever ubuntu version from ethernet)
[17:42] <arizona> I've read PAE problem is mostly with pentium, but aspire 1350 is AMD athlon XP-M 2600+
[17:45] <holstein> arizona: there is no "mostly".. either your machine supports PAE or not
[17:45] <holstein> arizona: this is a plausible issue that you can confirm on your own.. if you can install from the mini iso for 13.10, then, that is not the issue
[17:47] <arizona> OK, many thanks for your time! I'll try minimal and/or 12.04
[17:47] <arizona> Bye!
[17:47] <holstein> arizona: the minimal is a small download.. you should be able to download and try it in a few minutes.. otherwise, you are making many assumptions that need to be addressed
[17:47] <holstein> from there, you can determine a graphics issue, or not
[17:48] <holstein> utilizing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 for example
[17:50] <arizona> OK. tanks
[18:27] <speckmade> and audio worked out of the box with my last edition of Lubuntu...
[18:28] <ianorlin> broken in saucy?
[18:28] <speckmade> many new things to complain about the new Lubuntu for me...
[18:28] <speckmade> yes
[18:30] <speckmade> and after standby network manager is not in controll of the WLAN device anymore
[18:30] <speckmade> and I got a needless spare calculater application
[18:31] <ianorlin> you have two galculators?
[18:31] <ianorlin> or something other than galculator?
[18:31] <ianorlin> you can remove a package if you don't want it
[18:32] <speckmade> yes - got gnome-calc-tool or something
[18:32] <speckmade> and the screen locking comination doesn't work
[18:33] <ianorlin> screen locking is known bug
[18:33] <speckmade> (pointing to "xscreensaver-command -lock" instead of "gnome-screensaver-command -l")
[18:33] <ianorlin> there isn't gnome screensaver in saucy
[18:34] <speckmade> and default Firefox is a no-no for my display size and Ff generally seems distinctly more sluggish...
[18:34] <speckmade> gnome-screensaver-command -l
[18:35] <speckmade> works for me
[18:35] <ianorlin> you can still install chromium from repos
[18:35] <ianorlin> and then purge firefox if you don't want it
[18:35] <speckmade> edited ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml to point to that and fixed it that way.
[18:36] <ianorlin> do you know what kind of sound and wireless card you have?
[18:36] <speckmade> atheros
[18:37] <speckmade> "Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)"
[18:37] <speckmade> eee pc 900A
[18:38] <speckmade> interested in more details?
[18:38] <speckmade> when I close the lid, the new default is standby
[18:39] <speckmade> when waking up, nm lost control
[18:39] <speckmade> when doing it again, it regains controll
[18:39] <speckmade> (normally)
[18:41] <ianorlin> speckmade run updates in saucy as I thnk there was a bug fixed with that and then change the defualt to what you want in xfce power manager 4
[18:42] <speckmade> all updates installed up to today - gonna try.
[18:43] <speckmade> now it doesn't go to standby anymore when closing the lid? Seems more like a workaround than a fix...
[18:45] <ianorlin> yeah you can make it standby in xfce power manager but not sure about the atheros thing it would standby if you did not tell it to before
[18:50] <speckmade> so I just did some testing on the standby thing
[18:50] <speckmade> the good thing is that it doesn't go to standby when closing the lid and thereby avoids issues
[18:50] <speckmade> the bad thing...
[18:51] <speckmade> standby now doesn't give ME back my screen...
[18:51] <speckmade> so it's actually worse.
[18:51] <speckmade> I have to reboot in order to regain controll
[18:53] <speckmade> what bothers me more at the moment is the sound issue...
[18:54] <ianorlin> your sound card is?
[18:55] <speckmade> Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
[18:56] <speckmade> applications don't get the mic signal
[18:57] <speckmade> If I go to the mixer and manually open mic channel it makes no difference
[18:57] <speckmade> (I never got my head around Linux sound stuff enough to fix such problems)
[18:58] <speckmade> (usual fix: install another OS after trying some hours... :-( )
[19:01] <ianorlin> was your sound muted when installing?
[19:01] <ianorlin> or upgrading?
[19:02] <speckmade> the mic(s): yes
[19:03] <speckmade> otherwise I don't think so
[19:03] <speckmade> but it seemed muted in the mixer with the last lubuntu edition, too
[19:03] <speckmade> although it worked
[19:04] <speckmade> now I can raise the mic levels 'til my head aches from my own voice but my phone doesn't record my voice...
[19:04] <ianorlin> have you tried recording with arecord?
[19:09] <speckmade> no
[19:11] <speckmade> just tried
[19:11] <ianorlin> then aplay will see if it recorded anything
[19:11] <speckmade> test files seem to have caught nothing but silence
[19:12] <speckmade> no matter what the mic level was in the mixer
[19:13] <speckmade> so no different from i.e. linphone's behaviour
[19:16] <ianorlin> does sound output work if you like play a music file?
[19:18] <speckmade> yes
[19:20] <ianorlin> what do you have digital input set to in alsamixer?
[19:21] <speckmade> I don't see such an option...
[19:24] <ianorlin> is the capture volume at zero in alsamixer?
[19:26] <ianorlin> are you using pulse at all for some reason?
[19:26] <speckmade> capture volume zero, yes
[19:26] <speckmade> dunno for the pulseaudio
[19:28] <ianorlin> turn that up and then try
[19:28] <ianorlin> as that being zero would basically mean capture is muted so it have is putting the mic into a muted input
[19:32] <speckmade> still zero in the test files
[19:32] <speckmade> but executing arecord now changes the levels around
[19:32] <speckmade> it maxes the mic boost
[19:33] <speckmade> internal mic, that is - I've got internal and mic-in
[19:33] <speckmade> I happily used just the internal one so far...
[19:33] <ianorlin> and are you using internal?
[19:33] <ianorlin> ok
[19:37] <speckmade> I don't want to downgrade because of the cipher-block chaining issue with the full-disk encryption... :-/
[19:56] <FuuqUmiist> what is the shortcut to decorate and undecorate windows
[19:58] <FuuqUmiist> does anyone know?
[20:28] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: not aware of a shortcut for that.. you could make one, ir you want
[20:31] <FuuqUmiist> holstein how do i atleast undo the undecorate window
[20:45] <bblinder1> Hi, everyone.
[20:46] <bblinder1> I was wondering if anyone ran into any weird upside down camera issues when installing skype in Lubuntu 13.10.
[20:47] <FuuqUmiist> maybe your camera is upside down :P
[20:47] <bblinder1> well, it is an asus laptop, so it quite literally is.
[20:47] <bblinder1> they mounted the camera upside for some reason in some models.
[20:47] <Unit193> FuuqUmiist: Are you looking for .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml: <decor>yes</decor>  ?
[20:48] <bblinder1> most programs flip right side up (hangouts, webcam)
[20:48] <FuuqUmiist> idk
[20:48] <bblinder1> but for some reason not skype
[20:48] <holstein> http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/skype-Ubuntu-webcam-quot-upside-down-quot-problem/td-p/1277156 looks like how i remember dealing with it
[20:48] <holstein> bblinder1: ^
[20:49] <bblinder1> ah!
[20:49] <FuuqUmiist> Unit193 i right clicked on the title bar and selected undecorate, now i can't get it back
[20:55] <Unit193> FuuqUmiist: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#Decorate
[20:58] <FuuqUmiist> "C-S-d"  = ctrl+shift+d ?
[20:59] <Unit193> Yes.
[21:01] <FuuqUmiist> doesn't work
[21:01] <Unit193> Did you add it to the rc file then openbox --reconfigure?
[21:05] <FuuqUmiist> doesn't work still
[21:06] <FuuqUmiist> i'm guessing i have to relogin for the changes to come into effect tho
[21:09] <FuuqUmiist> Unit193 is openbox --reconfigure a terminal command to reset the shortcuts?
[21:09] <Unit193> --reconfigure       Reload Openbox's configuration
[21:09] <Unit193> See also: --restart           Restart Openbox
[21:10] <FuuqUmiist> will it log me off from my current session?
[21:10] <Unit193> reconfig won't, restart shouldn't, --exit will.
[21:12] <FuuqUmiist> the shortcut to undecorate works, not to redecorate still doesn't work
[21:15] <FuuqUmiist> i got it to work by using another shortcut to decorate
[21:15] <FuuqUmiist> thanks