[00:16] <directhex> the mandatory spy cam/mic on the xbox one is funny. change your gamertag to an actual xbox command, so when people angrily shout your name in multiplayer, it drops them from their game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvBwezmeW1M&feature=youtu.be
[00:20] <daftykins> diddledan: XD is this what it's like for you before you fall asleep?
[00:20] <daftykins> diddledan: dun... da-dun... dun... da-dun...
[00:21] <daftykins> directhex: it's not mandatory though
[00:22] <directhex> daftykins, they backed down on that? wusses
[00:24] <daftykins> indeedy
[00:27] <daftykins> directhex: excellent find though ^_^
[01:21] <diddledan> hooray, I fixed it
[01:21] <diddledan> ya'll can't see my fix 'cos it's not live but trust me when I say it was a doozey
[01:52] <mapps> hoorah
[08:54] <foobarry> "Henlow car dealership attacked by Tesco deer head man" :-|
[08:54] <foobarry> stroy was less exciting than i thought it might be
[09:09] <foobarry> directhex: lol i enjoyed that. although some of the kids sounded about 7yrs old ..bit young for that game!
[09:10] <foobarry> i'd probably never go out again if i had games like that as a teenager
[09:36] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[09:36] <nigelb> Hello brobostigon.
[09:37] <brobostigon> morning nigelb
[09:38] <foobarry> mornings
[09:38] <brobostigon> morning foobarry
[09:38]  * foobarry supervising a wii playing session
[09:38] <nigelb> How's it going?
[09:39] <brobostigon> trying to work out how minecraft servers update between versions, and you nigelb ?
[09:40] <nigelb> playing with awesome window manager, liking it so far.
[09:40] <brobostigon> :)
[10:15] <bashrc> attempting to move my site from mediawiki to docuwiki
[10:16] <brobostigon> :)
[10:16] <ali1234> brobostigon: the short answer is they don't
[10:16] <bashrc> I got stung br a crashed mysql database, so am hoping that going to flat files will avoid that problem in future
[10:17] <brobostigon> ali1234: so you have to manually update by some method?
[10:17] <ali1234> yes, download the new server and run it, and then notice none of your mods work any more and the map is totally corrupted
[10:18] <brobostigon> oh great
[10:18] <ali1234> basically you don't update the server across major versions, you start over
[10:18] <brobostigon> thats disapointing
[10:19] <ali1234> of you have things you want to keep the best way is to transplant them into the new map with mcedit
[10:20] <brobostigon> let me look up that tool.
[10:24] <ali1234> popey: do you have the old bitfolk maps?
[11:00] <daubers> Morning
[11:02] <brobostigon> morning daubers
[11:09] <daubers> Just bought a video camera that I can control through my nexus 7
[11:09] <daubers> how awesome is that??
[11:11] <brobostigon> :)
[11:11] <brobostigon> linkie please, :)
[11:13] <daubers> http://camcorder.tech-details.com/JVC_Everio_GZ-EX315/
[11:14] <daubers> Can't find a better link
[11:14] <brobostigon> thank you.
[11:14] <daubers> Just bought it from an actual real life shop
[11:14] <brobostigon> :)
[11:19] <brobostigon> looks interesting,
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> daubers: shiny
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Have you seen the Canon 6D? It's app-controllable as well
[11:27]  * brobostigon looks up that one also.
[11:29] <brobostigon> eos 6d ?
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yes
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> much expensive, very GPS. wow ;)
[11:30] <brobostigon> looks interesting also.
[11:33] <daubers> MartijnVdS: No... but sounds fun :)
[11:33] <brobostigon> #sadmanonatrain on bbc2
[11:33] <daubers> MartijnVdS: This camera can get the GPS location from the android device controlling it :)
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Cool :)
[13:03] <foobarry> son is happy. mandatory mention of angry birds on click
[13:03] <foobarry> facebook! mummy  loves facebook!
[13:03] <brobostigon> :)
[13:52] <foobarry> finished our house together
[13:52] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/6tzNmos.jpg
[14:36] <mapps> hmn
[14:36] <mapps> well thats a dissapointment
[14:36] <mapps> thought my gas and electric would be less this month
[14:36] <mapps> what is that foobarry
[16:46] <penguin42> if I put my Virgin cable modem into modem-mode can it be switched back - and how? Will it still respond to the 192.168.0.1 address for management?
[16:48] <mapps> brrr
[16:48] <mapps> its cold outside
[16:48] <mapps> modem mode?
[16:48] <penguin42> mapps: Yeh where it won't do any NATing or firewalling, it'll just get out of the ^&*(^*& way
[16:48] <mapps> ah
[16:49] <mapps> didnt know you could do tha
[16:49] <penguin42> apparently so - it seems to do evil things to SIP - it's trying to NAT it but failing very very badly
[16:56] <foobarry> mapps: its a house made from plaster moulds
[16:58] <foobarry> you pour plaster into moulds like these http://www.linkaworld.com/catalog.htm
[17:03] <foobarry> our next project is a castle.
[17:03] <foobarry> lego is too mainstream :)
[17:03] <mapps> hhh ok
[17:03] <mapps> is this for your kids?
[17:09] <foobarry> daddy and son time together
[17:09] <mapps> ;]
[17:10] <brobostigon> not maccano?
[17:10] <foobarry> taken a while to get round to painting it
[17:10] <foobarry> maybe when he's older he can try meccano
[17:10] <brobostigon> :)
[17:11] <directhex> SIP isn't really NATtable
[17:11] <directhex> the source/destination IP are part of the SIP data packets
[17:11] <directhex> you may need a STUN or TURN proxy server configured
[17:12] <directhex> or you need a router which can rewrite SIP packets
[17:12] <penguin42> directhex: Yeh and I don't fully understand it; Linux has a conntrack module for it;  in this case it looks like the VM router is screwing up the rewriting
[17:12] <directhex> penguin42, the conntrack module must be running on the router
[17:13] <penguin42> directhex: Yep, it is - my problem is that the VM box is in the way and is screwing it up - hence why I want to put it into modem mode
[17:18] <diddledan> mornin
[17:20] <penguin42> hey DD
[17:23] <DJones> Mornin? Evening more like it
[17:32] <daftykins> DJones: not with the hours diddledan keeps, lying awake at night with Tom Jones in his head ;)
[17:32] <diddledan> :-p
[17:33] <diddledan> it's the weekend
[17:33] <diddledan> I'm allowed to sleep all day on saturday :-D
[17:35] <DJones> Sleep in? Its nearly Sunday :)
[17:39] <diddledan> oh joy. fsf mailing - "the widely accepted(really?) failure of Windows 8 provides a critical moment for the free software movement." <-- what about the more widely accepted failure of vista when that happened?!
[17:41] <diddledan> I need chocolate
[17:41] <diddledan> (need is most definitely the appropriate term here!)
[17:43] <shauno> same falacy as last time.  if win8 doesn't meet expectations, people just stick to win7.  it's not actually a jump-ship situation
[17:43] <diddledan> this is interesting, however: https://fsfe.org/news/2014/news-20140116-01.en.html
[17:43] <diddledan> shauno: exactly my point
[17:44] <Myrtti> I need food, maybe ordering in a blue cheese-shrimp-pineapple-salami pizza...
[17:45] <diddledan> I think the rate of people leaving windows for linux and others will be unchanged
[17:46] <daftykins> wow, supermarket survey shows food is 60% cheaper in England at the very budget end versus the channel islands
[17:46] <daftykins> ¬_¬
[17:46] <diddledan> daftykins: that sucks for you
[17:47] <daftykins> in fairness i never buy own-brand stuff
[17:47] <daftykins> i'm a sucker for the brands :(
[17:48]  * penguin42 sometimes does
[17:48] <penguin42> daftykins: Lidl do very good cheap chocolate :-)
[17:48] <daftykins> hehe, they're not over here
[17:48] <daftykins> i'd only heard of them for the first time when i was in Portsmouth
[17:49] <daftykins> i swear every time i stepped into that shop i felt like i'd somehow teleported to Poland or something
[17:50] <diddledan> I think you hit the nail on the head there. that's exactly what they do.
[17:50] <daftykins> but even the people!
[17:50] <daftykins> must be immigrants popping in to buy their home produce i guess
[17:51] <daftykins> and yeah i did used to buy some funky chocolate in there, it was ace
[18:05] <foobarry> u1 file sync broken for anyone else?
[18:05] <foobarry> was on my work pc yesterday, also on my home pc today
[18:05] <SuperEngineer> foobarry: ok here
[18:05] <foobarry> UnauthorizedError
[18:05] <foobarry> u'Host requires authentication'
[18:05] <foobarry> u'OAuth required (mandatory).'
[18:06] <foobarry> weird
[18:06] <foobarry> disconnect and reconnt a few times on the GUI (not hte command line)
[18:06] <foobarry> now it opened a chrome window to auth
[18:06] <foobarry> works now
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> what about removing them from devices list and then do the "add this device" bit?
[18:07] <foobarry> looks like it broke a while ago
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> :)
[18:15] <penguin42> hmm this is apparently working - but I don't quite understand how
[18:17] <penguin42> I don't apparently have an IP address on the port going to the router, but I still seem to be routing down it
[18:19] <daftykins> 0o
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> I am neither an impulse buyer  or a gambler - last night I became both. Been thinking of upgrading pooter for a while & suddenly I went for it!
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> ...The brain just went "go for it, upgrade this ol' machine" so I got on ebuyer and ordered 4xRAM without checking m'board could address it
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> ...then it went "what about the gpu?", so I ordered 1 of those as well!
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> hmm: m'board currently holding 4x.5GB DDR2 RAM, soon to be holding 4x1GB DDR2 RAM.. & psu currently power nvidia GeForde 210 (512MB) about to power an nvidia GTX650 (2GB) and massive fan.... hope psu can deal ok
[19:40] <penguin42> probably - what size is it ?
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> So now I am both an impulse shopper & a gambler.  Help me somebody!
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: what size is what?
[19:41] <penguin42> the PSU
[19:42] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: that's why I've become a gambler - I didn't check [ouch!]
[19:42] <penguin42> ah, and you've still not checked :-)
[19:43] <SuperEngineer> pooter is a Dell Dimension E520 [+extra disk & my previous gpu upgrae]
[19:43] <SuperEngineer> *upgrade
[19:45] <penguin42> difficult to know - Dells tend to use weird PSUs - not necessarily easy to change; but anyway - I'd suggest put the RAM in and get it happy, and only once that's happy go for the graphics card
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> [I am working on the theory that psu this old & of Delll origin was built to "work", but at what power output...  I have never checked
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: that choice already taken ;)  I ordered the RAM so it would arrive 1 or 2 days prior to GPU
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> ...& thus force *some* sensibility back into the equation!
[19:47] <penguin42> hehe
[19:47] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: You've not get any use for some quad port PCI-x cards I gambled on and lost do you.....
[19:48] <diddledan> lol, that's good shopping skills, SuperEngineer
[19:48] <diddledan> who cares whether it works, it's shiny! :-p
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I'm on PCIe - but I'll ask around
[19:48] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Nah don't worry about it
[19:49] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: mmmm.... shiny new anti-static bags - yum yum
[19:49] <diddledan> :-D
[19:49] <diddledan> and the nice "new" smell
[19:49] <diddledan> I love that smell
[19:50] <penguin42> In amazon warehouses computer accessories section: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pritt-Compact-Correction-Roller-4-2mmx8-5m/dp/B000J6FEXI/ref=sr_1_26?m=A2OAJ7377F756P&s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1391284106&sr=1-26
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: as long as the nice "new" smell doesn't become horrible "new" psu popping smell
[19:50] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I've not seen a PSU go from bad treatment, they just tend to do it out of spite
[19:50] <diddledan> lol, the smell of burning  psu.. mmmmm
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: agreed - I called to a quite a few "spiteful" server psu fails -always during trading hours
[19:53] <SuperEngineer> [! firm I could mention use a 2 psu bay server with deliberately no 2nd/backup psu!] - they fail, I laugh ;)
[19:54] <penguin42> sometimes you do get the 2 bay stuff thrown in on certain models even when you just want a fast machine
[19:55] <SuperEngineer> [last one I got store up & running again by emptying a whole can of air duster over the server to cool it enough until replacement arrived.... did I giggle!
[19:55] <penguin42> ah, you're a service drone?
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> nah, I'm an ATM drone & pooter drone - forced into looking after retail contracts as well :(
[19:56] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I once got really confused by a manager who had used some TCP disinfectant on a cut - I was convinced there was a smouldering PSU somewhere
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: lol
[19:58] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: i'd be surprised if a Dell PSU would even have the PCI express graphics card power connectors you'll need for that new one
[19:58] <SuperEngineer> ...talking about retail... you'd be pleasantly surprised by the number of retail groups who use Linux
[19:59] <penguin42> daftykins: Hey hey - let SE have the full run of the bet - it's like the lottery, you have to have a few hopeful days before the let down of trying to fit it
[20:00] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: I was thinking the same - but even enlarging photo on ebuyer there was nowt my m'board didn't [appear] to have
[20:00] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: The USB+power hubs you sometimes see at retail seems to be interesting
[20:00]  * SuperEngineer has fingers tightly crossed
[20:01] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: so does the amount of dust blocked kit in all their server racks
[20:01] <penguin42> haha, never been the scenes at retail
[20:01] <SuperEngineer> you're the lucky one
[20:01] <daftykins> penguin42: aww but that would give him the sads!
[20:03] <penguin42> although I do worry about our local Tesco which had half of the self-serves out of service possibly because their power was going off in time with half the lights
[20:04] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: but trying to fit it is half the fun! a mallet, some crocodile clips, a prayer...
[20:04] <SuperEngineer> [that was re yours to daf]
[20:05] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Well I nearly took a hacksaw to these PCI-x cards - they have a 'minor' voltage compatibility issue - they have the tab filled forcing them only to go in 3.3v slots
[20:06] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: sssh.... don't tell but I called to a [not Tesco] store for 2 self checkouts that had blown up at the same time
[20:07]  * penguin42 generally is used to the NCR Fastlane ones - especially the Tesco ones - I can use them very quickly
[20:07] <SuperEngineer> ...turned out one had a 2 litre bottle of water break open into it - the other, well I found the switch cabinet in the store &  reset the breaker - lol
[20:07] <penguin42> haha
[20:08] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Do you just do the computer side or do you have to deal with the mech stuff as well?
[20:10] <penguin42> the coin systems on the Siemens machines in Morrisons are a piece of art - a slow piece of art, but wacky
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: unfortunately I do both... that's part of the reason for my handle!
[20:11] <penguin42> ok, so you do need the hammer
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: ...a few customers gave me the name yonks ago
[20:11] <penguin42> haha
[20:11] <andylockran> hey guys
[20:12] <daftykins> :D
[20:12] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: your work sounds pretty cool, nice and varied
[20:12] <andylockran> can anyone help me work out why my Ubuntu SMB server is connectable from windows 8.1. via \\media\public - but that the computer 'media' doesn't show up in Network?
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I find a hammer the most gratifying of my whole tool kit - especially when it's not needed, I use it to threaten the kit
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: thank you
[20:14] <daftykins> andylockran: samba has a setting to hide it from casual browsing, what does your smb.conf look like?
[20:14] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: [also grabbed one once when working on the outside of an ATM -idiot backed down after that]
[20:14] <penguin42> haha
[20:14] <andylockran> //paste.ubuntu.com/6857248/
[20:14] <andylockran> daftykins: ^^
[20:15] <daftykins> andylockran: hrmm it already has browseable = yes there
[20:15] <daftykins> (line 281)
[20:16] <andylockran> yeah - I can navigate to it directly
[20:16] <daftykins> andylockran: is the windows 8 machine using a homegroup instead of a workgroup?
[20:16] <andylockran> it just doesn't show up in the 'Network Neighbourhood"
[20:16] <andylockran> daftykins: not sure what a homegroup is
[20:17] <andylockran> ah, it's not got a homegroup setup
[20:17] <andylockran> just checked
[20:17] <daftykins> it's a crazy windows 7 and up thing
[20:17] <daftykins> is it seeing any other devices and shares on the network? it could be set to a public network instead of home/work
[20:17] <daftykins> or just have network discovery disabled in advanced sharing
[20:17] <andylockran> yeah, it's seeing another windows computer
[20:18] <daftykins> andylockran: ah, line 45 is commented out for enabling WINS - that might help
[20:18] <daftykins> i think i'm grasping at straws there without a full understanding
[20:18] <andylockran> ah, ok
[20:19] <daftykins> but i'm pretty sure there was something about some old Windows tech that helped being on for browseability :D
[20:26] <shauno> wins shouldn't matter if he can already reach it as \\media\public\; wins is usually where to look if you can reach \\IP\ but not \\name\
[20:26]  * penguin42 would wonder about broadcast/multicast stuff?
[20:29] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: just seen your comment re M's coin machines... we had that contract till undercut recently - I was sooo glad to we lost it I couldn't stop smiling the whole day
[20:30] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: the little conveyor belt ones? They're insane - I mean cute, but slow as hell, whether they work well I can't really say, but why the heck did they do something so different?
[20:30] <SuperEngineer> if only you knew the full horror story behinfd their SCO's [& no - I can't say more]
[20:33] <daftykins> shauno: ah just hostname gubbins, that's the one
[20:35]  * penguin42 scratches his head - hth does that happen - when I watch that IP camera on a different subnet my router loses the connection to my other subnet - i.e. loses it from it's arp cache
[20:37] <shauno> daftykins: that's the only one I can remember, because NS is a nice hint :)
[20:38] <daftykins> hehe
[20:38] <diddledan> why are nas units so spensive compared to the hp microserver?
[20:38] <daftykins> that's true
[20:38] <diddledan> http://www.ebuyer.com/430446-hp-proliant-g7-n54l-2-2ghz-microserver-ebuyer-704941-421
[20:38] <daftykins> i don't know but i'm really impressed by Synology ones
[20:43] <diddledan> I think I'd prefer to do it with the hp, 'cos then i can tinker :-p
[20:44] <daftykins> yeah depends how open an appliance one is that you could buy i guess really
[20:55] <Azelphur> hey folks, bit of politics for you, I'm trying to decode the first paragraph of ... crap ... from my local MP http://www.rogergale.com/content_manager/page.php?ID=104153&dbc=81bdcfb87a93bfd675ea24ff6770d745
[20:56] <Azelphur> he says he "proscribed" a TV channel, proscribe meaning to forbid, usually by law...but that TV channel still exists and is still broadcasting
[20:56] <Azelphur> so...I have the confused
[20:56] <daftykins> perhaps he's a doctor of entertainment and meant he prescribed it? ;)
[20:56] <Azelphur> god alone knows, by the article he could well be that silly ;)
[20:59] <shauno> really.  that's so silly that I can't figure out if it's real or satire.  I'm pretty sure there's a name for that
[20:59] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, I'm thinking of emailing him and just putting him right on a few points
[20:59] <Azelphur> but I get to the first paragraph and it's just so stupid it makes no sense
[21:01] <shauno> ah, there we go; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
[21:01] <daftykins> wow that really was a funky post
[21:01] <Azelphur> daftykins: that's my MP
[21:01] <Azelphur> >.<
[21:03] <daftykins> sorry :<
[21:03] <andylockran> heya daftykins - the silly software i was using allowed me to be able to type in the ip
[21:03] <andylockran> therefore I can ignore the smb share not showing in network
[21:03] <daftykins> your country is going pretty odd with neutrality of late (the lack of)
[21:04] <daftykins> andylockran: ah neat :)
[21:04] <Azelphur> daftykins: indeed it is, hense the desire to check it out and fire off grumpymail
[21:04] <Azelphur> I'm pretty annoyed that they have started blocking things such as childline and crisis centres.
[21:05] <shauno> and jquery :|
[21:05] <Azelphur> More disgusted than annoyed, really
[21:05] <Azelphur> yea, and jquery, and imgur, and wikipedia
[21:05] <shauno> I mean, it was an accident, and it was reverted; but it's a great example of how stupid these automated filters are
[21:05] <daftykins> i haven't read into this, is it not true that you can opt out of all these things?
[21:06] <Azelphur> daftykins: you can opt out of /some/ of it
[21:07] <Azelphur> and tbh, given the above examples, the people who need access to that content the most, are the most likely to be unable to access it
[21:07] <daftykins> what a terrible irony
[21:07] <diddledan> you can "opt out" by telling the government that you're a pervert
[21:08] <shauno> I don't think it's that extreme.  I'm not a parent; ergo I don't require a parental filter
[21:09] <diddledan> this whole censorship is quite frankly pretty scary stuff that the government seem intent on pushing us to becoming china
[21:09] <diddledan> shauno: you have to tell them that you're not a parent by clicking the "perverts button" though
[21:10] <Azelphur> diddledan: indeed, how long before they expand upon this, requiring you to list your political views, porn preferences, etc in order to have them unblocked.
[21:10] <daftykins> i've seen the privacy guy Alex Hanff on freenode before, he's probably well up on this stuff - Azelphur you heard of him at all?
[21:10] <Azelphur> daftykins: I haven't
[21:10] <Azelphur> diddledan: for me I had to do it over the phone, and it wasn't the most pleasant of experiences
[21:11] <diddledan> shauno: the point is that it's default to block large swathes of the internet. this is bad™
[21:11] <Azelphur> I got the whole "Are you sure?" etc banter
[21:11] <daftykins> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alexanderhanff.com%2F&ei=3GLtUqDnN5KA7Qa0iYHYDg&usg=AFQjCNFYd3kkTwG_1vx-6F9osQal3QoQsg&bvm=bv.60444564,d.ZG4
[21:11] <ali1234> yeah you have. he's paladine
[21:11] <daftykins> oh pants
[21:11] <daftykins> i really hate google links now
[21:11] <Azelphur> ali1234: ah, paladine, yea I've seen him
[21:11] <daftykins> http://www.alexanderhanff.com/
[21:11] <shauno> if I had to call them, I'd make sure it was more it was more awkward for them.
[21:11] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's not fun
[21:11] <Azelphur> shauno: that's pretty much what I did, I told them I didn't want them filtering my connection :)
[21:12] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, had to do it multiple times too, for both my ISPs and my mobile
[21:12] <shauno> I'm thinking more of "and midgets?  make sure you unblock the midgets too"
[21:12] <daftykins> erk!
[21:12] <daftykins> shauno: lol nice
[21:12] <bashrc> unblock the midgets?
[21:12] <ali1234> all you have to do is get a business account which you should anyway
[21:13] <Azelphur> diddledan: vodafone was incredibly bad, I had bought a dongle as I was going on holiday, but when I went to use it it was heavily restricted (youtube, etc were blocked) and they demanded a credit card to unblock everything, which I didn't have at the time
[21:13] <ali1234> they won't filter those
[21:13] <shauno> I'm quite glad there's no filtering here.  other than the court-mandated tpb block :/
[21:13] <diddledan> what? why do they need a credit card to remove a filter?!
[21:13] <ali1234> my ISP doesnt even block tpb
[21:13] <bashrc> sounds like blackmail
[21:14] <Azelphur> diddledan: as proof of age, but yea it's pretty awful
[21:14] <Azelphur> diddledan: the other option they gave me was to travel 70 miles to the nearest vodafone store
[21:14] <diddledan> and little tommy isn't able to borrow daddy's?
[21:14] <Azelphur> I took it back and got very grumpy with them when I returned from holiday
[21:15] <ali1234> the reason they require a credit card is because any kid can buy a payg sim
[21:15] <diddledan> I know as a child I could quite easily get ahold of my dad's credit card
[21:15] <diddledan> without him knowing*
[21:16] <ali1234> they put a charge and refund on it
[21:16] <Azelphur> diddledan: indeed, me too
[21:16] <ali1234> so if he read the statement he would know
[21:17] <Azelphur> that's interesting, I found out about that TV channel a little more
[21:17] <Azelphur> apparently, it was banned in 1993...but how on earth did they ban it in the UK if it was broadcasting from a different country?
[21:19] <diddledan> aparently tesco brought it back to our shores in 2011 in the form of a cheese
[21:19] <diddledan> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2068023/Scotch-Bonnet-Cheddar-Tesco-launches-UKs-hottest-cheese-50-times-spicier-jalapeno.html
[21:20] <diddledan> oh maybe not
[21:20] <diddledan> the reference is in the comments
[21:20] <Azelphur> xD
[21:21] <diddledan> about morrisons
[21:21] <Azelphur> Heritage Secretary Peter Brooke announced in a commons written reply that in 15 days it will be a criminal offence to sell subscriptions to, or equipment to recieve, Red Hot Television, partly because of the danger to children.
[21:21] <Azelphur> aha
[21:21] <ali1234> right, it's encrypted
[21:22] <Azelphur> I see, so by stopping the subs, since it's pay-per-view, they essentially banned it
[21:22] <Azelphur> but they didn't ban LNBs
[21:22] <ali1234> ironically the porn channels on freeview aren't encrypted at all and require no special hardware to receive
[21:22] <Azelphur> indeed, I'm aware
[21:22] <Azelphur> I plan on mentioning it
[21:22] <diddledan> the porn channels on freeview aren't porn tho
[21:22] <ali1234> yeah there's that
[21:22] <Azelphur> xD
[21:23] <diddledan> they're just a woman in undies making suggestive motions and picking up a telephone handset every so often
[21:23] <diddledan> or a bloke in the case of the gay ones
[21:23] <diddledan> seen the dave rip-off?
[21:25] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:25] <directhex> yeah, ALL DVB-T equipment can view Red Hot
[21:25] <directhex> and only stuff with a full MHEG stack can stop you watching it for free
[21:27] <directhex> they actually make DVDs with the same strategy, as free samplers in adult stores - "phone the number to get the unlock code". all the MPEG2 streams unencrypted...
[21:30] <Azelphur> directhex: it seems that "Red Hot TV" and "Red Hot Dutch" are different entities
[21:30] <shauno> reminds me, I should check to see if there's any update on the TD who wants to ban 'open source browsers' :|
[21:30]  * SuperEngineer ponders meaning of "family friendly" - has it passed watershed yet
[21:31] <diddledan> it's 21:30 in the UK but. even though we're called #ubuntu-uk I think we get foreigners too, so technically it's always pre and post watershed
[21:32] <SuperEngineer> exactly
[21:32] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[21:32] <diddledan> I think david cameron needs to censor american internet, too
[21:33] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: I don't see it as not family friendly, censorship is bad :(
[21:33] <Azelphur> discussing law shouldn't be family unfriendly :p
[21:33] <diddledan> Azelphur: but. the children.
[21:33] <SuperEngineer> agreed 100% - but advertising porn channels = not so agreed
[21:34] <diddledan> is it advertising when they're in the EPG?
[21:35] <ali1234> Azelphur: what can you tell me about minecraft forge?
[21:35] <Azelphur> SuperEngineer: we aren't advertising, we're mentioning. By the same Logic we should also disallow links to Roger Gale MP's blog as family friendly, as it's also mentioned there
[21:35] <diddledan> not many freeview tuners have the option to hide them afaict
[21:35] <SuperEngineer> diddledan: the EPG never claimed to be family friendly - UUK is
[21:35] <Azelphur> ali1234: it's a minecraft modding API
[21:35] <ali1234> how can they have a preview release for 1.7 when there is no MCP for 1.7 yet?
[21:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: no idea, if you were on my IRC channel I'd point you at Alex, he'd probably know
[21:39] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur: saw some "mentions" on TV tonight - for news papers, dog foods, cosmetics - they were in the ad breaks ;)
[21:39] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:40]  * SuperEngineer shouldn't - but does seriously recomment @YourAnonNews on twitter for the real news
[21:40] <SuperEngineer> *recommend
[21:40] <Azelphur> :)
[21:44] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:55] <diddledan> my favourite moron strikes at WordPress again! http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Feb/0 <-- apparently .htaccess can be bypassed by not running apache. who knew?
[21:59] <diddledan> this guy often (and I mean very often) states that developers "refused" to fix things he tells them about or in the case of WordPress core he likes "hiddenly fixed"
[22:00] <diddledan> e.g. http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Dec/41
[22:39] <map|work> vening
[22:39] <map|work> *evening