[04:46] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[04:46] <valorie> hi
[04:48] <ahoneybun> hows the house?
[04:48] <valorie> no change; waiting on plumbing fixtures to arrive
[04:48] <valorie> how are you?
[04:49] <ahoneybun> good drinking seagrams beer
[04:49] <valorie> seagrams makes beer?
[04:49] <valorie> that I've not heard of
[04:50] <ahoneybun> seems
[04:50] <ahoneybun> seagram's escapes
[05:21] <ahoneybun> hey yofel are you up for tomahawk?
[05:24] <ahoneybun> or anyone else up 
[05:31] <valorie> ahoneybun: I think a lot of them are at FOSDEM
[05:31] <valorie> I know Riddell is
[05:31] <ahoneybun> oh
[05:31] <valorie> shadeslayer, apachelogger_ maybe
[05:31] <ahoneybun> darn I think tomahawk might be close to being done
[05:31] <valorie> can't recall if yofel or Quintasan were going
[05:33] <ahoneybun> oh
[08:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:11] <jarkko_> today i got crack-lib upgrade
[11:12] <jarkko_> could someone explain how these are used ??? /usr/share/dict
[11:12] <jarkko_> contains words, like brute force
[11:49] <lordievader> jarkko_: Probably used for dictionary attacks, however this is not really a topic for #kubuntu-devel.
[14:00] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1258422] Maximized windows go under panel if panel attached to screen edge between two monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258422 (by kolen)
[18:00] <Riddell> phew that was hard work, but fun
[20:41] <snele> guys oxygen-gtk doesn't work out of box in 14.04
[20:41] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/i/6W/3zDC5db5/snapshot1.png
[20:42] <snele> the same bug I experienced in 13.10
[20:43] <snele> and I think you should add homerun kicker to preinstalled apps list :)
[20:43] <ahoneybun> it is in the repos
[21:27] <snele> page http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour is totally broken
[21:32] <ahoneybun> yea that page is being worked on
[21:33] <lordievader> But then why is it live if it is still under development?
[21:40] <ahoneybun> lordievader, I'm not sure
[21:54] <ahoneybun> where should I file a bug if it relates to the time being UTC but it is EST in the settings?
[22:14] <apachelogger_> ehm
[22:14] <apachelogger_> who's reworking the page
[22:14] <apachelogger_> and why are they doing it on the live version?
[22:27] <apachelogger_> oh how I hate drupal
[22:27] <apachelogger_> ahoneybun: ping
[22:27] <ahoneybun> yes?
[22:28] <apachelogger_> ahoneybun: who's redoing the page?
[22:29] <apachelogger_> or rather, who broke it
[22:29] <ahoneybun> apachelogger_, there was one student working on the refresh but I do not know if he was on the live page as he has been missing for a bit
[22:30]  * apachelogger_ is so not amused
[22:30] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure who is
[22:31] <apachelogger_> I don't even know how they broke it
[22:31] <apachelogger_> because to me it seems that just about every element has rubbish css properties
[22:32] <ahoneybun> oh
[22:32] <apachelogger_> meh, google cache is also updated already
[22:32] <apachelogger_> drupal--
[22:37] <Riddell> apachelogger_: it was a google code in guy who ran away
[22:37] <Riddell> infact, jose was it you?
[22:37] <apachelogger_> Riddell: why is the breakage on the live version though?
[22:38] <Riddell> because he or the theme or something changed something in coping it from the working copy
[22:38] <jose> Riddell: it was me, I saw the bug and was going to do the fix tomorrow to see how it got
[22:39] <jose> I'm just kinda busy with university paperwork, just got in and need to check lots of things with them
[22:40] <jose> and yes, I just copied it over but that didn't seem to make it
[22:40] <Riddell> best be quick before apachelogger_ gets grumpy, you know what he's like when he's grumpy :)
[22:40] <apachelogger_> apachelogger already is grumpy because he's now looking for a way to revert -.-
[22:40] <jose> doing it now
[22:40] <apachelogger_> jose: fixing it now?
[22:41] <jose> well, trying to
[22:41] <Riddell> apachelogger_: there's no way to revert
[22:41] <apachelogger_> Riddell: the internet does not forget :P
[22:41] <Riddell> it might well be caused by the theme
[22:41] <apachelogger_> just a matter of finding the most recent cache ;)
[22:41] <apachelogger_> no
[22:41] <jose> looks like a CSS issue
[22:41] <apachelogger_> there's rubbish css properties set on some elements
[22:41] <apachelogger_> first line for example has a -25 left margin
[22:41] <Riddell> it's pretty complex the css for that site
[22:41] <apachelogger_> which is why the top image is offset to the left
[22:41] <Riddell> very messy
[22:42] <apachelogger_> the page is super messy
[22:42] <Riddell> just another reason to go with whatever wordpress site ovidiu-florin comes up with
[22:42] <apachelogger_> also drupal does not help
[22:42] <apachelogger_> Riddell: +10000
[22:42]  * jose <3 WP
[22:44] <ovidiu-florin> The site is available for functionality testing at http://test.kubuntu.co.uk
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> I was planning to create a new theme, or modify the active one, if people like it
[22:45] <apachelogger_> yeah, modify, too many frames ^^
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> I'm really caught up with my wedding planning right now
[22:46] <apachelogger_> ovidiu-florin: IMHO it's sufficient if only the sidebar has a frame
[22:46] <jose> the feature tour link in there is broken
[22:46] <apachelogger_> or possibly sidebar+footer
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> jose: links are dummy
[22:46] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, I can help if you like
[22:46] <jose> oh :P
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> links in menu
[22:46] <ahoneybun> don't know much of wp but I can learn by reading it
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: content wise? or css-php wise?
[22:47] <apachelogger_> ovidiu-florin, ahoneybun: FWIW if only the theme is blocking us it may be worthwhile to simply ask if someone is interested to do that (blog/mailinglist)
[22:47] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, both perhaps
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: great
[22:47] <apachelogger_> Riddell: did you get server maintenance/administration sorted?
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger_: I believe it can be used like it is, but I want a second opinion
[22:48] <apachelogger_> ovidiu-florin: my second opinion is that the number of frames needs to go down :P
[22:48] <apachelogger_> lookes like a tetris theme right now
[22:48] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, I agree with apachelogger_ 
[22:48] <ahoneybun> simple is better always
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin> like this?
[22:49] <ahoneybun> less frames/boxes whater
[22:49] <ahoneybun> */whatever
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin> I'll just add a few pictures, borders, and colors
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin> and there we go
[22:49] <ovidiu-florin> and the language switcher needs a redo
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> but I'll talk with it's developer about that
[22:50] <ahoneybun> I like the buttons like that but they should be on top maybe next to the Kubuntu 
[22:51] <ahoneybun> on http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/download-kubuntu/ the theme does not load right
[22:51] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I just changed the theme
[22:52] <ovidiu-florin> to a simpler one
[22:52] <ahoneybun> oh much more simple, like you said pictures, borders, and colors
[22:53] <apachelogger_> the simple one I like
[22:53] <apachelogger_> but
[22:53] <apachelogger_> I am no good on these matters :P
[22:53] <ovidiu-florin> as I've said:
[22:53] <apachelogger_> for me the less the better
[22:53] <ovidiu-florin> I'll just add a few pictures, borders, and colors, and teher we go
[22:53] <apachelogger_> websites could just be one picture and I'd be happy ^^
[22:54] <ahoneybun> add a pic on top and you'll be good
[22:54]  * ovidiu-florin thinks apachelogger_ likes better if the kubuntu site would be bare HTML
[22:54] <ovidiu-florin> would like it better*
[22:55] <apachelogger_> no, you need css magic to get nice fonts going xD
[22:55] <jose> apachelogger_, Riddell, ahoneybun: better now? :)
[22:56] <ahoneybun> jose, top part of it 
[22:56] <apachelogger_> otherwise still broken
[22:56] <ahoneybun> images need resizing and centering
[22:56] <jose> can you try ctrl+f5? I see it all good on my screen
[22:56] <ahoneybun> yep looking at in firefox
[22:57] <apachelogger_> http://i.imgur.com/DbcntEf.png
[22:57] <ahoneybun> that is what I'm looking at too
[22:57] <ovidiu-florin> wow
[22:57] <ovidiu-florin> that is broken
[22:57] <ovidiu-florin> same here in chromium
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> broken
[22:58] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, do you have access to that site for anyone but you?
[22:58] <jose> hmm, weird, I see it like http://i.imgur.com/XHVnLyK.png
[22:58] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: no, I'll give you access if you want
[22:59] <jose> let me see what can I do with those images to fix this
[22:59] <ahoneybun> I would like to look at least
[23:00] <apachelogger_> i386 queue is still 3days long
[23:01] <apachelogger_> -.-
[23:01] <apachelogger_> madness
[23:01] <ahoneybun> jose, you got it!
[23:01] <jose> awesome!
[23:02] <jose> marking as fixed then :)
[23:02] <ahoneybun> on my side
[23:02] <jose> apachelogger_: could you please confirm it's fixed now?
[23:02] <ahoneybun> wait for others to report the same
[23:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, how does it look in chrome?
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> chromium is ok
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[23:03] <ahoneybun> nice
[23:03] <apachelogger_> jose: http://i.imgur.com/KH84fVM.png
[23:03] <ahoneybun> I think the multimedia image should be updated
[23:03] <jose> ahoneybun: which one?
[23:04] <ahoneybun> http://www.kubuntu.org/themes/kubuntu10.04/images/feature-tour/multimedia/feature-tour-apps-kaffine4.png
[23:04] <ahoneybun> plus dragonplayer is the new default
[23:04] <ahoneybun> not kaffine
[23:04] <apachelogger_> jose: also http://i.imgur.com/zIAovQ3.png
[23:04] <apachelogger_> aspect is wrong on that one
[23:04] <ahoneybun> apachelogger_, thrown off by that glow?
[23:04] <apachelogger_> no, thrown off by the size
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: check your mai;
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> mail
[23:05] <ahoneybun> ok
[23:05] <apachelogger_> huh, can't go from hungary to serbia because of snow :O
[23:06] <apachelogger_> "snow broke europe"
[23:07] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, nothing yet
[23:10] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: oh... forgot
[23:10] <ovidiu-florin> no mail server on that machine
[23:10] <ovidiu-florin> sillly me
[23:11] <ovidiu-florin> this reminds me, Riddell can we set up some MTA ?
[23:11] <ovidiu-florin> or can we use the Kubuntu one?
[23:11] <ovidiu-florin> is there such a thing?
[23:13] <ahoneybun> can I fix a spelling error?
[23:14] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, >
[23:14] <ovidiu-florin> sure
[23:14] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: go nuts
[23:14] <ahoneybun> ok just checking
[23:14] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: no MTA
[23:15] <ovidiu-florin> all articles have revision history
[23:15] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ^
[23:15] <apachelogger> on that note... someone should talk to the sysadmins and find out how that would work if we move kubuntu.org to an external server
[23:15] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, the english version is finished with our current content
[23:15] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: get a tarball then for upload please
[23:15] <ahoneybun> ummm apachelogger not sure on how to do that
[23:16] <apachelogger> I asked you at least a month ago to figure that out :P
[23:16] <ahoneybun> I don't even understand how they got the last package for 13.10 together
[23:16] <apachelogger> or maybe it was valorie
[23:16] <apachelogger> I definitely annoyed someone with it ;)
[23:16] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: that'd be completely diferent anyway
[23:16] <ahoneybun> I know valorie said we ask the kde people to get docbook out of it 
[23:16] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: just need and export from the wiki
[23:17] <apachelogger> valorie: please get us an export of the documentation for testing 
[23:17] <jose> apachelogger: better now?
[23:17]  * apachelogger somehow broke his kubuntu noitification helper
[23:18] <ahoneybun> jose, did you use old images?
[23:18] <ahoneybun> replaced the new one with a old one 
[23:18] <jose> no, I didn't change the images at all
[23:18] <jose> just attributes
[23:18] <ahoneybun> missing the email pic now
[23:19] <jose> try refreshing?
[23:19] <jose> I see it all good
[23:19] <ahoneybun> now it is back
[23:19] <ahoneybun> looks better
[23:20] <jose> anything else that needs fixing on that page?
[23:22] <jose> Alex Thierry mentioned a '&#nbsp;' at the end of the page, cannot see it...
[23:22] <apachelogger> mh
[23:22] <apachelogger> jose: there's something off
[23:22] <jose> huh?
[23:23] <ahoneybun> I made a change on the home page ovidiu-florin 
[23:23] <apachelogger> jose: layout wise, otherwise it's fine
[23:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: server maintenance/administration?
[23:24] <jose> if you could tell me what is it, because I see everything in order
[23:24] <apachelogger> jose: http://i.imgur.com/vQ7rQhI.png the bottom screenshot should be displayed and cutt off to the right, like the one at the top
[23:24] <apachelogger> jose: also the line break for Share everything everywhere is very unfortunate, not sure that can be influenced though
[23:25] <jose> oh, I think that line was never there
[23:25] <jose> I'm checking the image thing
[23:26] <apachelogger> jose: http://i.imgur.com/YquGykV.png the bottom screenshot should be smaller, as the one above has a drop shadow the effective perceived size is smaller than what the technical size is
[23:26] <apachelogger> also I think the bottom should be on the left or something
[23:26] <apachelogger> just looks weird as it is right now, cannot exactly pin point why but I guess it's because they form a wall right now
[23:26] <apachelogger> doesn't like very nice ^^
[23:28] <jose> about that left-right thing, I found a workaround that makes the text fit in the white box, but gets that bug on
[23:28] <apachelogger> other option would be to just make the screenshot smaller
[23:28]  * apachelogger puts down a todo to exchange that screenshot
[23:29] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, am I doing to much?
[23:30] <apachelogger> jose: actually, just make it smaller for now
[23:30] <apachelogger> we need a different screenshot there
[23:30] <jose> apachelogger: I give up on that screenshot, according to properties it's 640 width for both of them
[23:30] <apachelogger> just need to take care thatit's not widescreen aspect
[23:30] <apachelogger> jose: that's what I meant
[23:30] <jose> oh
[23:30] <apachelogger> jose: you need to make the bottom one smaller
[23:30] <jose> then even smaller
[23:31] <jose> will do
[23:31] <apachelogger> because the top has a shadow inside the screenshot
[23:31] <apachelogger> so the bottom one looks bigger because it has no shadow
[23:31] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: not at all
[23:31]  * apachelogger also puts down todo to redo screenshots with shadows
[23:32] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, can you to add a image where the Kubuntu wording is
[23:33] <jose> apachelogger: is that (/me points to the page) what you meant?
[23:34] <apachelogger> kind of
[23:34] <apachelogger> (also note that the screenshot doesn't respect the right margin btw
[23:34] <apachelogger> )
[23:34] <jose> yeah, I was wondering why
[23:35] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: this theme is... not helping
[23:35] <ovidiu-florin> I'll need to change some arangements
[23:35] <ahoneybun> featured image
[23:35] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: take a look
[23:35] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: featured image is specific to each article
[23:35] <ahoneybun> 2 of them?
[23:36] <ovidiu-florin> no
[23:36] <ovidiu-florin> the big one is the header
[23:36] <ovidiu-florin> that's where this theme places it
[23:36] <ahoneybun> now that is nice
[23:36] <apachelogger> jose: like so http://i.imgur.com/0WIYSwg.png
[23:36] <apachelogger> jose: also the element needs a special margin
[23:37] <apachelogger> that's why it is displayed to the right, it has a different width so it gets pushed over to the right
[23:37] <apachelogger> jose: marin-right: 10px does the trick for me
[23:37] <apachelogger> *margin
[23:37] <apachelogger> though possibly 12 is even better
[23:37] <apachelogger> yeah, go with 12
[23:38] <apachelogger> aligns perfectly with the top screenshot then
[23:38] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, http://wordpress.org/themes/expound this is a nice theme
[23:39] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: looks good
[23:39] <ahoneybun> I'm looking for one with nice pic at the top
[23:40] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: any theme can be edited
[23:41] <ahoneybun> yes but if it was designed for the image on the top it will be easier no?
[23:41] <ovidiu-florin> sure
[23:41] <jose> apachelogger: check now?
[23:41] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, http://wordpress.org/themes/inkness
[23:42] <apachelogger> jose: http://i.imgur.com/kUZkkpF.png
[23:43] <jose> yeah, I changed to 10, 12, 15, 24 and it's staying on the same place
[23:43] <jose> no idea why
[23:43] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin, http://wordpress.org/themes/evolve this reminds me of the main site
[23:43] <apachelogger> jose: you need to change the margin of the img element
[23:44] <jose> not with a div?
[23:44] <apachelogger> no
[23:44] <apachelogger> the div will impact both screenshots
[23:44] <jose> I added a div to that image only, but will change it now
[23:45] <apachelogger> just do <img style="margin-right: 12px"...
[23:45] <apachelogger> jose: and you'll need to change height/width a bit
[23:46] <ahoneybun> use this one ovidiu-florin http://wordpress.org/themes/discover can we change the colors to blue?
[23:49] <apachelogger> jose: and bump the size to 570x356
[23:49] <jose> doing it now
[23:53] <ahoneybun> looks lovely ovidiu-florin 
[23:53] <ahoneybun> simple with a touch of style to me
[23:55] <ahoneybun> how do you change colors and and a header?
[23:58] <jose> apachelogger: seems like it's done