[00:10] <popey> Greetings from the colonies!
[00:11] <shauno> which colony?  and are they behaving?
[00:12] <popey> Amusingly in the bus on the way to the hotel, the american woman next to me was reading news of mr Bieber, on the daily mail online
[00:12] <diddledan> damned daily mail readers get everywhere
[00:13] <shauno> yeah.  my mother's latest husband keeps linking to DM articles.  it seems quite popular
[00:13] <penguin42> how many is she on?
[00:13] <shauno> it's quite difficult to explain to them that it's not a real newspaper
[00:13] <diddledan> (my parents are DM readers, too)
[00:13] <shauno> I think this is the 4th
[00:14] <diddledan> it comes to something when you can't remember how many husbands your mum has had :-p
[00:14]  * penguin42 was thinking about whether to say that :-)
[00:14] <diddledan> heh, shauno knows I insult him at every opportunity
[00:15] <diddledan> he does the same in reciprocity so it's all good :-p
[00:15] <diddledan> ooh that's a clever word for quarter past midnight
[00:43] <popey> Saw a hotel called Gaylord Palms
[00:43] <popey> and my first thought was "Does he?"
[00:44] <daftykins> :D
[00:44] <daftykins> that's proper technique for you
[01:02] <diddledan> family friendly
[01:02] <diddledan> I think that just went out the window:-p
[01:05] <map|work> popey in america?
[01:06] <penguin421> map|work: He's gone to feed the alligators
[01:06] <map|work> ;]
[01:07] <map|work> i just figured by the hotel he mentioned
[07:14] <foobarry> mornings
[07:38] <diddledan> morning
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:07] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:33] <brobostigon> good morning boys and girls.
[11:07] <ali1234> well that's a new one... phishing emails in finnish
[11:43] <Laney> phinnish
[12:01] <knightwise> morning everyone
[12:02] <brobostigon> afternoonings knightwise
[12:08] <popey> morning
[12:12] <mapps> afternoon
[12:13] <popey> haha it's groundhog day
[12:13] <popey> watching them do the thing with phil the groundhog on telly
[12:22] <mapps> phil the groundhog|?
[12:26] <popey> yes
[12:26] <popey> he predicted 6 more weeks of winter
[12:26] <brobostigon> he didnt predict it,
[12:27] <brobostigon> it was the man judging the animal.
[12:36] <popey> NO WAY!
[12:45] <foobarry> strange...it isnt raining yet today
[12:48] <popey> foggy here
[12:48] <brobostigon> semi-cloudy here.
[12:48] <penguin42> yeh bits of blue sky in Manc
[12:49] <popey> 28 degrees today apparently
[12:50] <brobostigon> fahtenheir or celcius?
[12:50] <popey> 77 f
[12:50] <brobostigon> fahtenheit or celcius?
[12:50] <brobostigon> scorching
[12:50] <popey> 84 on monday
[12:50] <popey> i should have brought some shorts
[12:50] <popey> might pop out today and buy some
[12:55] <mapps> not sure whether to go out to watch the superbowl or not
[12:55] <foobarry> can'[t think of much worse
[12:56] <foobarry> maybe watching splash.
[12:56] <mapps> lol
[12:56] <mapps> my friend loves the nfl..i somtimes watch it at work
[12:57] <foobarry> american football/sport reminds me of dramas on ITV. they don't make it for the story or the love of it, just for advertising revenue.
[12:58] <foobarry> similarly american football seems to be designed around eyeballs on the tv and ad breaks
[12:58] <mapps> probably endup going out and just getting drunk and going to the strip club
[12:58] <foobarry> stag do?
[12:58] <mapps> na
[12:58] <mapps> just there's a strip club near the casino
[12:59] <mapps> so sometimes go there before going to the casino after a night out
[12:59] <popey> well
[12:59] <popey> i do want to go and see the superb owl somewhere
[12:59] <popey> because lots of my co-workers are here, and I'ld
[12:59] <popey> bah
[12:59] <mapps> heh
[12:59] <popey> I'd like to have beer and wings ☻
[12:59] <mapps> hooters!
[12:59] <foobarry>  i read an interview with a woman saying that most strippers were lesbian and didn't  like men
[13:00] <mapps> probably true
[13:00] <mapps> some of them arent even nice at ST1
[13:00] <foobarry> although they were turned that way from their experiences with men
[13:00] <mapps> there's 1 american that's really hot..dunno why shes here..seems odd
[13:00] <foobarry> not my opinion, just the quotes
[13:00] <popey> riiiigght
[13:01] <popey> never been in a hooters, never really seen the appeal
[13:01] <foobarry> i don't know what it is. single mums in tshirts and low self esteem?
[13:02] <mapps> i went to Hooters Praha - it was ok..the girls are nice..but the steak i had was garbage
[13:02] <mapps> they didnt even ask me how i wanted it cooked?!
[13:02] <foobarry> can't imagine the food is great, for obvious reasons
[13:02] <foobarry> hey i'm a great chef and great menu, instead of high class resto, i'll go to some out of town dive
[13:02] <mapps> hard rock cafe was better but way ore expensive
[13:02] <mapps> lol
[13:03] <foobarry> i bet more nachos are sold/consumed on superbowl day than any other
[13:07] <mapps> dont think ive ever had nachos
[13:09] <foobarry> "Not Another Completely Heuristic Operating System, or Nachos, is instructional software for teaching undergraduate, and potentially graduate level operating systems course"
[13:09] <foobarry> or doritos without flavour
[13:12] <foobarry> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-to-Drop-Nautilus-Soon-and-Replace-It-with-Their-Own-File-Manager-423015.shtml
[13:12] <popey> haha
[13:13] <popey> wondered how long that would take
[13:13] <popey> "soon"
[13:13] <popey> is a year soon?
[13:14] <Laney> seriously
[13:14] <Laney> I'm wondering whether to reply to that thread
[13:14] <Laney> ogra ...
[13:14] <ali1234> it's funny that they claim it's because of missing features in nautilus
[13:14] <ali1234> when in fact the ubuntu file manager is likely to have even less features
[13:15] <popey> s/less/fewer/
[13:15] <Laney> helpful
[13:16] <foobarry> it will be qt based, right?
[13:16] <foobarry> so why not use dolphin base?
[13:16] <ali1234> because it has to have convergence
[13:16] <foobarry> so start all from scratch?
[13:16] <ali1234> yes
[13:16] <foobarry> canonical have been ripping  things up every 2 years
[13:16] <popey> i dont think it's quite as cut and dried and decided as the email implies
[13:17] <ali1234> convergence = design for touch, then make it run in a window on desktop
[13:17] <ali1234> i haven't read any email
[13:17] <ali1234> i just read the discussions about it on #ubuntu-desktop the past week
[13:17] <foobarry> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2014-January/004414.html
[13:17] <popey> and i dont think it's certain we would switch to unity8 in 14.10
[13:18] <ali1234> unity 8 will keep getting pushed back, i'll be amazed if it's ready for 16.04 frankly
[13:18] <Laney> nothing is certain imho
[13:18] <popey> indeed
[13:18] <Laney> especially not chucking everything and replacing it with worse stuff
[13:18] <popey> +1
[13:18] <ali1234> that's already happened
[13:18] <Laney> everything?
[13:18] <ali1234> why wouldn't it happen again?
[13:18] <ali1234> yes, everything
[13:19] <Laney> right, I'm done
[13:19] <ali1234> see gnome, unity, compiz 0.9
[13:19] <ali1234> see also gedit HEAD, lol
[13:20] <ali1234> i don't think i'm using anything from ubuntu-desktop any more
[13:20] <ali1234> it went from the best desktop to the second worst in two years
[13:20] <ali1234> good job everyone
[13:21] <foobarry> worst being gnome3?
[13:21] <ali1234> right
[13:21] <foobarry> that was pretty spectacular too
[13:22] <popey> → shower → breakfast
[13:22] <ali1234> gnome seems to be actively trying to piss off their users, while ubuntu-desktop seems to be merely incompetent
[13:23] <foobarry> is this a "legal" marble in the school playground sense? its massive http://ubuntuone.com/2BAPG5fAJYOWAnteMrvZqs
[13:23] <foobarry> much bigger than a 64 or a 256er
[13:26] <foobarry> playground marbles seems to be an oral tradition rather than any rules written anywhere on the net
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: yes, different rules for different schools 8-)
[14:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:32] <brobostigon> afternoodlings bigcalm
[14:34] <daftykin1> after noodlings sounds great :D
[14:34] <daftykin1> mmm noodles in dark soy sauce
[14:38] <brobostigon> :)
[14:40] <daftykin1> how's brobostigon this fine day? any poor weather up your way this weekend?
[14:41] <brobostigon> light cloud cover, that it. not bad overall, and you?
[14:42] <daftykin1> seems the sun is out O_O
[14:42] <brobostigon> :)
[14:46] <popey> full of brekkie
[14:47] <daftykin1> popey: fry up? ;)
[14:47] <penguin42> and what is that
[14:50] <popey> bacon
[14:50] <brobostigon> nomnom,
[14:51] <hamitron> oh don't :/
[14:51] <brobostigon> oh do, :)
[14:52] <hamitron> got in far too late last night, eaten loads today and still feel.... unbalanced
[14:52] <hamitron> :/
[14:53] <daftykin1> hair o' the dog!
[14:54] <hamitron> :-o
[14:54] <hamitron> I don't think I'm going to do an intense workout again, before a 10 hour drinking session
[14:54] <hamitron> just don't think it mixes well
[14:55] <brobostigon> oh dear,
[14:55] <daftykin1> lol
[14:55] <hamitron> it has to be the exercise ofc
[14:55] <hamitron> ;/
[14:55] <brobostigon> self-inflicted hangover,
[14:55] <daftykin1> were you not knackered when commencing drinking?
[14:55] <hamitron> the cause of all this pain
[14:55] <daftykin1> hamitron: or are you calling the pint lifting the intense workout? ;)
[14:55] <brobostigon> lol
[14:56] <hamitron> daftykin1, it demonstated how my strength was improving..... getting easier as I progressed
[14:56] <daftykin1> ooh didn't even notice my nick
[14:57] <hamitron> tbh, I just gotta accept I am now too old to roll in at 5:45am and not feel it
[14:58] <brobostigon> once i passed 30, i got that feeling aswell.
[14:58] <hamitron> yeh, about my age
[14:58] <hamitron> :)
[14:58] <daftykins> i'm hitting 29 this month ;/
[14:58] <brobostigon> ones body is too old to cope with it.
[14:58] <hamitron> daftykins, enjoy the next year, all downhill from then on
[14:59] <daftykins> places shut by 2am on Guernsey though
[14:59] <daftykins> hamitron: i've been told the downhill line since 22 i think ;)
[14:59] <hamitron> lies!
[15:00] <daftykins> memory issues are really beginning to bug me though
[15:00] <hamitron> I think next weekend I'm gonna give myself a 3 hour break between the workout and drinking session
[15:00] <daftykins> sometimes i have pauses mid-sentence to remember what i was talking about =|
[15:00] <hamitron> :/
[15:01] <hamitron> I can't tackle logical problems like I used to
[15:01] <brobostigon> and then get home at 8:45
[15:01] <hamitron> but that is maybe just lack of practise
[15:01] <brobostigon> am*
[15:08] <brobostigon> the matrix ch5 10:55pm :)
[15:08] <ali1234> the description for that in my tv guide is funny
[15:08] <ali1234> "keanu reeves fights rebels in a virtual world"
[15:09] <brobostigon> oh dear
[15:09] <daftykins> lmao
[15:09] <daftykins> pesky rebels
[15:09] <daftykins> die, rebel scum!
[15:09] <daftykins> what's that from 0o
[15:09] <ali1234> the daily mirror 7 day tv guide thing
[15:14] <ali1234> Azelphur: ping
[16:36]  * neuro cries a little bit into his keyboard
[16:36] <neuro> emergency server migration :(
[16:36] <neuro> brobostigon: the matrix? on channel 5? avoid
[16:37] <neuro> it'll be pan and scan, filled with ads and potentially cut
[16:38] <brobostigon> maybe, yes.
[16:39] <awilkins> Doesn't everyone have it on DVD anyway?
[16:39] <awilkins> I think it was in that first generation of DVD titles that you bought because you had a new DVD player and there weren't many films available for it
[16:39] <neuro> it was like the second dvd i ever bought
[16:39] <neuro> region 1
[16:40] <awilkins> I think it was the first for me
[16:40] <awilkins> When DVD was super-awesome
[16:40] <neuro> yeah
[16:40] <shauno> I thought pretty much everyone got it with the player
[16:40] <neuro> you were like LOOK AT THE QUALITY
[16:40] <ali1234> also the first film many people downloaded from the internet
[16:40] <neuro> my first dvd player was a creative dvd-rom drive with mpeg2 playback card
[16:41] <awilkins> Yeah, my first DVD player was a Panasonic slotloader
[16:41] <neuro> root@hathaway:/data/cargobays/1/Video/Movies# ls -l The\ Matrix\ \(1999\).mkv
[16:41] <neuro> -rw-r--r-- 1 neuro users 12897336691 Jul 16  2013 The Matrix (1999).mkv
[16:42] <shauno> my first (And last) player was a pretty terrible, cheap-as-dirt no-name player from walmart; that'd also play vcd & divx <3
[16:42] <awilkins> I have this one from my local computer parts warehouse retailer that has lasted 15 years
[16:43] <awilkins> Regionless, obeys commands during the stupid unskippable trailers
[16:44] <neuro> i then got a chipped pioneer dv-somethingorother (sold), then chipped dv-363 (unplugged), then a sony blu ray (sold)
[16:44] <neuro> i don't think i've watched a blu ray disc in ages
[16:44] <awilkins> I have a bluray drive
[16:44] <neuro> definitely haven't put a dvd movie in a drive for years
[16:44] <awilkins> I have one (1) title, Avatar
[16:44] <neuro> i still have blu rays in the shrink wrap :)
[16:44] <awilkins> Which mum bought me for Christmas on the premise that I must have a bluray because I was a techie kinda guy
[16:44] <neuro> lol
[16:44] <awilkins> The drive came after
[16:45] <awilkins> I had to rip 30GB of data off it to play it on Linux
[16:45] <awilkins> DVD is still just fine
[16:45] <neuro> yeuch
[16:46] <neuro> resolution too low
[16:46] <neuro> DTS audio is rare
[16:46] <awilkins> Hollywood has lost track of the fact that the plot and script are what matters
[16:46] <neuro> and R2 discs are usually yucky 576p50 transfers
[16:46] <awilkins> There are ancient films with terrible resolution that choke you up
[16:46] <neuro> i'd still rather watch films in 1080p24 ta much :)
[16:48]  * neuro watches migration data transfer progress and cries a little bit more
[16:48] <neuro> 100G in 2.5 hrs
[16:48] <neuro> 460G to go :P
[16:48] <awilkins> Across what kind of bus?
[16:48] <neuro> bus?
[16:49] <awilkins> Channel for data ; commonly called a "bus" in computers]
[16:49] <ali1234> gigabit?
[16:49] <neuro> you are miscategorising the premise of the task
[16:49] <awilkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_(computing)
[16:49] <neuro> server 1 -> dc infra -> server 2
[16:50] <neuro> 100Mbps-ish
[16:50] <ali1234> you're pushing 400Mbps, it's gigabit with other traffic
[16:50] <neuro> um
[16:50] <neuro> ok?
[16:50] <neuro> i'm rsyncing data from one server to another
[16:50] <awilkins> Hmm, is some of the data already on the other server
[16:51] <neuro> nope
[16:51] <neuro> well
[16:51] <neuro> 100G is, now
[16:51] <neuro> 104G, sorry
[16:51] <neuro> stupid crappy kimsufi servers
[16:52] <neuro> "oh lets put seagate drives in, they'll last forever"
[16:52] <neuro> *facepalm*
[16:52] <penguin42> neuro: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a hard disk in a Fedex ban
[16:52] <penguin42> van
[16:52] <neuro> penguin42: they're both in a dc in northern france, it will be quicker for me to rsync
[16:52] <neuro> since i am not in northern france
[16:52] <neuro> and ovh won't let me into the dc
[16:53] <awilkins> Hire Jean Reno to break in and just pull the drive from one RAID array and shove it in the other
[16:53] <ali1234> hmm my bad that's actually almost exactly 100mbit
[16:53] <neuro> raid array, haha
[16:53] <neuro> ali1234: yes
[16:53] <ali1234> kinda sucks if they're in the same DC
[16:53] <neuro> it's not an infra limitation
[16:54] <neuro> server 1 is connected to a 100Mbps port
[16:54] <neuro> server 2 is on GigE, rate limited to 200Mbps
[16:54] <penguin42> you're compressing - right?
[16:54] <neuro> nope
[16:54] <penguin42> bzzzt - wrong answer
[16:55] <neuro> bzzzt - wrong question
[16:55] <neuro> the data is already compressed
[16:55] <penguin42> oh
[16:55] <neuro> :)
[16:55] <penguin42> neuro: I hope you don't have bandwidth charges
[16:55] <neuro> nope
[16:55] <awilkins> IN THE SAME RACK?? That would be pretty harsh
[16:55] <neuro> not in the same rack
[16:56] <awilkins> Well, clearly not at 100Mbit/s
[16:56] <neuro> and it's technically between two different "customers", because ovh are muppets
[16:56] <awilkins> You'd think they would run some fibre between those bad boys though
[16:56] <neuro> "let's create a new brand for our mid range servers, but make existing customers sign up again into a new customer database"
[16:56] <neuro> awilkins: you're not getting it
[16:57] <neuro> server 1 is physically restrained by the speed of the port it's connected to
[16:57] <neuro> i'm maxing the port out
[16:57] <awilkins> They in different dcs in Northern France
[16:57] <awilkins> ?
[16:57] <neuro> they're either in different DCs or they are in different data halls
[16:57] <neuro> but it could be fibre in between or copper or wireless or whatever
[16:57] <neuro> i can't copy anything faster than 100Mbps
[16:58] <neuro> because server 1 can only connect at 100Mbps
[16:59] <awilkins> Is it really old?
[16:59] <neuro> no idea
[16:59] <awilkins> Because I have gigabit right on my desktop motherboard
[16:59] <neuro> dude
[16:59] <penguin42> awilkins: Might be, or might be on 100Mbps switch port
[16:59] <neuro> the server only does 100Mbps because it's plugged into a 100Mbps port because that's what OVH wanted to sell it at
[16:59] <awilkins> Damn Frenchies
[17:00] <neuro>         Supported link modes:   10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
[17:00] <neuro>                                 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
[17:00] <neuro>                                 1000baseT/Full
[17:00] <neuro>         Speed: 100Mb/s
[17:00] <neuro>         Duplex: Full
[17:00] <awilkins> Sounds like it's the card on the box that's limited to that
[17:00] <neuro> argh
[17:00] <awilkins> No it doesn#t
[17:00] <awilkins> I#m tired
[17:00] <neuro> *slap*
[17:00] <awilkins> Clearly my finger can't reach my apostrophe cos it's so tired
[17:01] <neuro> no excuses!
[17:01] <neuro> anyway
[17:01] <neuro> 110G
[17:01] <neuro> :P
[17:01] <neuro> tum te tum
[17:01] <awilkins> Had a very long fortnight and a hectic weekend
[17:01] <neuro> and in the meantime i'm trying to get the right packages and config sorted on server 2
[17:01] <neuro> paaaaaaaaain in the buuuuuuum
[17:02] <neuro> it's my own fault really
[17:02] <neuro> i didn't document stuff
[17:03] <neuro> and i can't get apache to fire up, which is equally annoying
[17:03] <shauno> odd image manipulation question that I have no idea how to even describe; given a box where the edges aren't straight, something that can straighten them? preferably something scriptable?
[17:04] <shauno> (top and bottom edges are always fine, left/right edges have 'wavy' deviations, not just a skewed container)
[17:04] <penguin42> oh, hmm
[17:04] <neuro> graphicsmagick maybe?
[17:05] <penguin42> well it can do affine transforms - but shauno has a more wiggly box
[17:05] <neuro> aaaaaaaaah
[17:05] <neuro> ports.conf
[17:05]  * neuro slaps apache2
[17:06] <shauno> very wiggly boxes :/  my cleanest sample so far is http://lab.oneil.me.uk/hffax/wefax_20140202_165508_0_ok.png
[17:07] <shauno> I can skew the whole thing happily enough, but I'd really like something that can catch the wobbles
[17:09] <neuro> "Internal Server Error"
[17:09] <neuro> yay
[17:11] <neuro> "Warning: mysql_connect(): Access denied for user"
[17:11] <neuro> yay, even better
[17:12] <ali1234> shauno: you can code something up to fix that quite easily with scipy/numpy
[17:12] <ali1234> are the lines always same length?
[17:13] <shauno> they should be, but they're not
[17:13] <ali1234> hmm
[17:13] <ali1234> how you receiving that exactly?
[17:13] <shauno> sdr+fldigi
[17:14] <ali1234> have you got one with less edge cropping?
[17:15] <ali1234> actually does it just wrap around?
[17:15] <ali1234> the black/white pattern is sent once per line?
[17:15] <shauno> I think that's my best yet.  but it should wrap, yeah
[17:15] <shauno> the black/white pattern should mark the ends of the lines
[17:16] <ali1234> you'll want to operate on the raw data
[17:16] <ali1234> luckily this is how scipy wants to work anyway
[17:19] <shauno> hm, looking to see if there's any other way I can export it.  fax is inherently analogue
[17:20] <ali1234> scipy just wants the raw demodulated analogue waveform
[17:21] <ali1234> lining up the lines with black blocks will be easy, not sure how you can do the others though
[17:26] <shauno> okay, I'm dumping the next few to wav .. I'll pick the cleanest and then I guess try to learn python :)
[17:27] <ali1234> python is the easy part :)
[17:27] <shauno> I can't seem to find any documentation of how long the line should be
[17:31] <ali1234> so what you need to do is cross-correlate the white-black pattern then take maximums. that's where the lines start/end
[17:32] <ali1234> you can probably do that with only numpy
[17:32] <ali1234> since it's 1d
[17:32] <penguin42> haha oh yeh wefax
[17:32] <ali1234> well half of them anyway
[17:32] <ali1234> the rest, just guess :)
[17:34] <shauno> hm, there doesn't seem to be an actual line length; that's why it's not written as such
[17:34] <shauno> a line is 1/2second.  what I do with it is apparently my problem
[17:36] <penguin42> shauno: I thought the idea is that you run some type of phase lock to the big black blob on the left ?
[17:36] <ali1234> right
[17:36] <ali1234> there probably isn;t even horizontal pixels
[17:37] <ali1234> just a continuous signal
[17:37] <penguin42> nod
[17:37] <penguin42> just a brightness sensor wired to the signal
[17:37] <penguin42> and a hopefully vaguely fixed rate spinning drum
[17:37] <ali1234> analogue TV is the same. except it has a proper sync signal on every line
[17:38] <ali1234> maybe this thing does too but it's not visible in the processed output
[17:38] <shauno> it doesn't seem to, it's just fsk .. so one frequency means black, the other means white
[17:38] <Azelphur> hey folks, I'm doing program > file 2>&1, the stuff shows up in file, but only after I close the program
[17:38] <Azelphur> which...is annoying
[17:39] <neuro> yay, server up and running, just need to wait for data copy to complete now
[17:39] <penguin42> Azelphur: Is the stuff mostly coming out of stderr or stdout?
[17:40] <Azelphur> think it's mostly stdout, python print :)
[17:40] <ali1234> also unless your receiver is dropping usb packets i don't see how it can even go out of sync...
[17:40] <neuro> i like it when web based things that have package dependencies have a page that says "oh, this is missing, installify it please"
[17:40] <penguin42> Azelphur: Generally stdout is buffered when it thinks it's writing to a file
[17:40] <Azelphur> that's annoying :/
[17:40] <ali1234> Azelphur: use f.write()/f.flush() - it still probably won't help much though
[17:41] <Azelphur> f?
[17:41] <ali1234> sys.stdout.write() that is
[17:41] <Azelphur> ah
[17:41] <shauno> right; as long as both I and the sender agree on lines-per-minute, this wobble shouldn't happen
[17:41] <ali1234> the buffer is in the pipe
[17:41] <penguin42> yeh, you should be able to change the output buffering mode
[17:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: there we go, calling sys.stdout.flush() seems to solve it, ty :)
[17:43] <ali1234> Azelphur: i want you to make a website for minecraft seeds
[17:43] <Azelphur> oh?
[17:43] <ali1234> i know there's loads already but they only have like 10 seeds each
[17:43] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:43] <ali1234> i spent this moring writing a seed -> map.png batch python script
[17:43] <penguin42> Azelphur: If you can find the equivalent of setbuf it's probably a good idea
[17:44] <ali1234> it can generate about 100 maps per hour
[17:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: fancy
[17:44] <ali1234> 1000 x 1000 blocks. bigger is slower of course
[17:45] <shauno> is it firing up the server to generate the map?  curious how you'd make them larger
[17:45] <ali1234> yeah
[17:45] <ali1234> it runs the server to generate the spawn point, then stop it and moves the spawn
[17:45] <Azelphur> it's interesting, right now I'm mostly doing company stuff, could get something going with bootstrap though :)
[17:45] <ali1234> so it needs to have user voting because the seeds are random
[17:45] <shauno> I have a script that keeps starting/stopping the server and editing the spawn point, but it gets slow quickly
[17:47] <ali1234> shauno: yeah i got one too but it has no batch mode and you have to set up the server yourself
[17:47] <ali1234> this creates the server config and runs it for you
[17:50] <shauno> okay, I have to go buy some food before I forget.  then I'm going to sit down with this thing and see if I can figure out the logic at least
[18:38] <neuro> well, crap
[18:38] <neuro> philip seymour hoffman has been found dead, apparently
[18:38] <neuro> (the actor)
[18:38] <daftykins> oh him :(
[18:39]  * penguin42 looks on imdb
[18:40] <penguin42> hmm - the guy from Mi3 that got replaced with a matching mask?
[18:40] <daftykins> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626804579358943360702878
[18:40] <daftykins> he was the butler in The Big Lebowski
[18:41] <penguin42> out of the things imdb lists I think I've only seen Mi3
[18:41] <neuro> seriously?
[18:41] <neuro> wow
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Invention of Lying
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> I've seen that.. but don't remember him
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> and Lebowski, of course
[18:47] <bashrc> it really tied the room together
[18:47] <neuro> there's a beverage here, man
[18:49] <daftykins> well you know, there's a lot of ins - a lot of outs
[19:01] <shauno> ugh.  what the hell is all this easy_install **** and why can't people just package stuff
[19:01] <bashrc> packagemonkey dude
[19:02] <shauno> I'm not even sure I want to know what that is.  I just want to use apt :)
[19:05] <neuro> it's platform agnostic
[19:06] <shauno> here's the catch.  platform agnostic has never, ever worked out ot be a good idea
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> neuro: so is apt ;)
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> it works on arm, it works on powerpc, it work on x86, ... :)
[19:10] <neuro> you know exactly what i mean :)
[19:11] <shauno> I spent far too long last night trying to get a mono app working; mono kept complaining I didn't have X11.  a) I do, and b) the app uses sdl, not X11.  Today I tried a java app that just tells me unsupported major.minor version
[19:11] <shauno> 'platform agnostic' generally means either it theoretically works, but only really on the dev's machine.  or it's just equally useless everywhere
[19:11] <daftykins> :D
[19:12] <daftykins> i remember a java joke, "compile once, debug everywhere!"
[19:12] <shauno> I remember a java joke that's decidedly too blue for this channel :)
[19:12] <daftykins> ooh do tell
[19:14] <shauno> hmm I'm not entirely sure how to word it.  it equates 'cross platform' with copulating with the wrong orrifice
[19:16] <shauno> aaanyway.  I should go back to banging my head off a brick wall
[19:16] <shauno> pyaudio apparently refuses to do anything without a soundcard.  even though it's reading the wav from a file
[19:17] <daftykins> :)
[19:18] <daftykins> i hope you find a cushion for the wall soon sir
[19:18] <shauno> the wall deserves it
[19:19] <shauno> I don't suppose there's a way to fool alsa into thinking it has a card?
[19:19] <daftykins> alas, not my area of expertise
[19:19] <ali1234> why are you messing around with wav files and sound cards?
[19:20] <shauno> so far I'm trying to find the signal within the audio
[19:21] <ali1234> use 8-bit raw PCM
[19:33] <directhex> shauno, what was the specific mono issue?
[19:34] <shauno> well, that's pretty much it.  trying to start anything with mono told me I needed to download X11.
[19:34] <directhex> on mac?
[19:35] <shauno> right
[19:35] <directhex> trying to run a winforms app?
[19:36] <shauno> nah, a game that uses sdl (OpenRA)
[19:37] <shauno> but I had the same issue trying to run monodevelop (trying to narrow down whether the game or mono was handling it badly)
[19:37] <directhex> i expect they use winforms to do the basic window drawable. sdl 1.2 doesn't support that, you need a full toolkit to host the sdl pane
[19:37] <directhex> sdl2 can instantiate a window
[19:38] <shauno> oh I have it working now, through some mess of reinstalling things in the right order
[19:38] <shauno> it just drove me nuts that running mono from within xterm still complained there's no X
[19:38] <ali1234> xterm with no x... looooooool
[19:38] <ali1234> mac is silly
[19:39] <shauno> oh I have X.  xterm was my attempt at "proving it"
[19:39] <ali1234> well i guess mono is the silly one then
[19:40] <ali1234> i have run openra on linux and didn't have any problems
[19:40] <ali1234> didn't even realise it was mono
[19:40] <shauno> the issue seems to be that .. once upon a time there was X11.app and XQuartz.app.  the relationship between the two is similar to Chrome vs Chromium
[19:41] <ali1234> this is what happens when developers decide X is "too old" and they need to rewrite it
[19:41] <shauno> XQuartz was where all the work was done, and then X11.app was apple's "blessed" distribution of it.  Apple have since abandoned their blessed version, which everyone's fine with since upstream works better anyway
[19:41] <shauno> mono specifically goes looking for apple's X11.app, rather than looking for X.  if it just tried to open $DISPLAY, it'd work fine.  but it tries to be clever, and fails
[19:42] <directhex> um... it's not that simple
[19:42] <directhex> the question is "where is libX11.so.6?"
[19:43] <ali1234> is there an open source version of "hot or not" type of website?
[19:44] <directhex> if libX11.so.6 isn't in the mac equivalent of LD_LIBRARY_PATH (it isn't), where should mono be loading it from?
[19:45] <ali1234> static link it, isn't that how apple apps work?
[19:45] <ali1234> everything is linked into a huge bundle with everything
[19:45] <shauno> it's in exactly the same place either way, /usr/X11R6/lib/
[19:51] <shauno> oh, apparently it's not, it's in /opt/X11; but that's symlinked from /usr/X11 and /usr/X11R6
[19:51] <directhex> was that the case yesterday?
[19:52] <shauno> yup
[19:52] <shauno> has been for years; the two clobber each other when you try to install them
[19:54] <shauno> just checked time machine to make sure I'm not going nuts; my oldest backup is from july, and has the same symlink layout
[20:31] <marshmn> hi; anyone have a suggestion for an music/audio player? I've been using Banshee for quite a while, but nowadays it seems to crash every day or two and leaves a defunct process behind; I've trie RhythmBox seems to crash quite often on me
[20:32] <marshmn> I listen to somafm quite a bit so would need one that has streaming capabilities
[20:39] <andylockran> hey guys - anyone free to offer advice on writing/consuming a REST API?
[20:39] <andylockran> I've got an EDF energy monitor - every minute it writes a row to the database with the time, and electricity usage in watts at 12 points around the flat, and a total figure
[20:40] <andylockran> I've put in a simple REST api, which returns each row as an object (using django rest framework)
[20:40] <Azelphur> andylockran: I want one D:
[20:40] <andylockran> ideally, I want to pull out the 1440 results that make up one day, and compare them to the last
[20:41] <andylockran> but using my current model, that's 2880 results from the api and seems to be heavy
[20:42] <andylockran> I want to work out how I can bridge the objects. ie.  an api request to day/1 and day/2 where the result is essentially "select id,overall from electricity where date = date"
[20:47] <Azelphur> andylockran: model.objects.filter(date=datetime.date.today())
[20:57] <andylockran> Azelphur: yeah - I got that far, but then I want to organise the data before spitting it out through the api
[20:57] <ali1234> that's what views are for
[20:57] <ali1234> they don't have to return html
[20:57] <ali1234> can be xml, or whatever
[20:58] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:58] <Azelphur> ali1234: you're a jack of all trades, know django too? :P
[20:58] <ali1234> i've used it before, a little
[20:58] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:58] <ali1234> it's probably all different now
[20:58] <ali1234> but it's still MVC right?
[20:58] <andylockran> yeah
[21:42] <aquarius> andylockran, there are a fair few django modules which expose a rest api based on your models for you, with a little configuration; might be easier than rolling it by hand
[21:43] <daubers> Evening
[23:27] <mapps> superbowl time!
[23:27] <directhex> yay for owls
[23:30] <mapps> ;]
[23:35] <daftykins> those owls are superb
[23:35] <daftykins> popey: owl throw would go down perfectly right now ;) )