[00:10] Greetings from the colonies! [00:11] which colony? and are they behaving? [00:12] Amusingly in the bus on the way to the hotel, the american woman next to me was reading news of mr Bieber, on the daily mail online [00:12] damned daily mail readers get everywhere [00:13] yeah. my mother's latest husband keeps linking to DM articles. it seems quite popular [00:13] how many is she on? [00:13] it's quite difficult to explain to them that it's not a real newspaper [00:13] (my parents are DM readers, too) [00:13] I think this is the 4th [00:14] it comes to something when you can't remember how many husbands your mum has had :-p [00:14] * penguin42 was thinking about whether to say that :-) [00:14] heh, shauno knows I insult him at every opportunity [00:15] he does the same in reciprocity so it's all good :-p [00:15] ooh that's a clever word for quarter past midnight === stuphi is now known as stuphi_away [00:43] Saw a hotel called Gaylord Palms [00:43] and my first thought was "Does he?" [00:44] :D [00:44] that's proper technique for you [01:02] family friendly [01:02] I think that just went out the window:-p [01:05] popey in america? [01:06] map|work: He's gone to feed the alligators [01:06] ;] [01:07] i just figured by the hotel he mentioned === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:14] mornings [07:38] morning [07:51] \o === motters is now known as bashrc [09:07] Good morning peeps :) === roht is now known as wadzi [10:33] good morning boys and girls. === YaManicK- is now known as YaManicKill [11:07] well that's a new one... phishing emails in finnish [11:43] phinnish [12:01] morning everyone [12:02] afternoonings knightwise === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [12:08] morning [12:12] afternoon [12:13] haha it's groundhog day [12:13] watching them do the thing with phil the groundhog on telly [12:22] phil the groundhog|? [12:26] yes [12:26] he predicted 6 more weeks of winter [12:26] he didnt predict it, [12:27] it was the man judging the animal. [12:36] NO WAY! [12:45] strange...it isnt raining yet today [12:48] foggy here [12:48] semi-cloudy here. [12:48] yeh bits of blue sky in Manc [12:49] 28 degrees today apparently [12:50] fahtenheir or celcius? [12:50] 77 f [12:50] fahtenheit or celcius? [12:50] scorching [12:50] 84 on monday [12:50] i should have brought some shorts [12:50] might pop out today and buy some [12:55] not sure whether to go out to watch the superbowl or not [12:55] can'[t think of much worse [12:56] maybe watching splash. [12:56] lol [12:56] my friend loves the nfl..i somtimes watch it at work [12:57] american football/sport reminds me of dramas on ITV. they don't make it for the story or the love of it, just for advertising revenue. [12:58] similarly american football seems to be designed around eyeballs on the tv and ad breaks [12:58] probably endup going out and just getting drunk and going to the strip club [12:58] stag do? [12:58] na [12:58] just there's a strip club near the casino [12:59] so sometimes go there before going to the casino after a night out [12:59] well [12:59] i do want to go and see the superb owl somewhere [12:59] because lots of my co-workers are here, and I'ld [12:59] bah [12:59] heh [12:59] I'd like to have beer and wings ☻ [12:59] hooters! [12:59] i read an interview with a woman saying that most strippers were lesbian and didn't like men [13:00] probably true [13:00] some of them arent even nice at ST1 [13:00] although they were turned that way from their experiences with men [13:00] there's 1 american that's really hot..dunno why shes here..seems odd [13:00] not my opinion, just the quotes [13:00] riiiigght [13:01] never been in a hooters, never really seen the appeal [13:01] i don't know what it is. single mums in tshirts and low self esteem? [13:02] i went to Hooters Praha - it was ok..the girls are nice..but the steak i had was garbage [13:02] they didnt even ask me how i wanted it cooked?! [13:02] can't imagine the food is great, for obvious reasons [13:02] hey i'm a great chef and great menu, instead of high class resto, i'll go to some out of town dive [13:02] hard rock cafe was better but way ore expensive [13:02] lol [13:03] i bet more nachos are sold/consumed on superbowl day than any other [13:07] dont think ive ever had nachos [13:09] "Not Another Completely Heuristic Operating System, or Nachos, is instructional software for teaching undergraduate, and potentially graduate level operating systems course" [13:09] or doritos without flavour [13:12] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-to-Drop-Nautilus-Soon-and-Replace-It-with-Their-Own-File-Manager-423015.shtml [13:12] haha [13:13] wondered how long that would take [13:13] "soon" [13:13] is a year soon? [13:14] seriously === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:14] I'm wondering whether to reply to that thread [13:14] ogra ... [13:14] it's funny that they claim it's because of missing features in nautilus [13:14] when in fact the ubuntu file manager is likely to have even less features [13:15] s/less/fewer/ [13:15] helpful [13:16] it will be qt based, right? [13:16] so why not use dolphin base? [13:16] because it has to have convergence [13:16] so start all from scratch? [13:16] yes [13:16] canonical have been ripping things up every 2 years [13:16] i dont think it's quite as cut and dried and decided as the email implies [13:17] convergence = design for touch, then make it run in a window on desktop [13:17] i haven't read any email [13:17] i just read the discussions about it on #ubuntu-desktop the past week [13:17] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2014-January/004414.html [13:17] and i dont think it's certain we would switch to unity8 in 14.10 [13:18] unity 8 will keep getting pushed back, i'll be amazed if it's ready for 16.04 frankly [13:18] nothing is certain imho [13:18] indeed [13:18] especially not chucking everything and replacing it with worse stuff [13:18] +1 [13:18] that's already happened [13:18] everything? [13:18] why wouldn't it happen again? [13:18] yes, everything [13:19] right, I'm done [13:19] see gnome, unity, compiz 0.9 [13:19] see also gedit HEAD, lol [13:20] i don't think i'm using anything from ubuntu-desktop any more [13:20] it went from the best desktop to the second worst in two years [13:20] good job everyone [13:21] worst being gnome3? [13:21] right [13:21] that was pretty spectacular too [13:22] → shower → breakfast [13:22] gnome seems to be actively trying to piss off their users, while ubuntu-desktop seems to be merely incompetent [13:23] is this a "legal" marble in the school playground sense? its massive http://ubuntuone.com/2BAPG5fAJYOWAnteMrvZqs [13:23] much bigger than a 64 or a 256er [13:26] playground marbles seems to be an oral tradition rather than any rules written anywhere on the net [13:36] foobarry: yes, different rules for different schools 8-) [14:30] Good morning peeps :) [14:32] afternoodlings bigcalm [14:34] after noodlings sounds great :D [14:34] mmm noodles in dark soy sauce [14:38] :) [14:40] how's brobostigon this fine day? any poor weather up your way this weekend? [14:41] light cloud cover, that it. not bad overall, and you? [14:42] seems the sun is out O_O [14:42] :) [14:46] full of brekkie [14:47] popey: fry up? ;) [14:47] and what is that [14:50] bacon [14:50] nomnom, [14:51] oh don't :/ [14:51] oh do, :) [14:52] got in far too late last night, eaten loads today and still feel.... unbalanced [14:52] :/ [14:53] hair o' the dog! [14:54] :-o [14:54] I don't think I'm going to do an intense workout again, before a 10 hour drinking session [14:54] just don't think it mixes well [14:55] oh dear, [14:55] lol [14:55] it has to be the exercise ofc [14:55] ;/ [14:55] self-inflicted hangover, [14:55] were you not knackered when commencing drinking? [14:55] the cause of all this pain [14:55] hamitron: or are you calling the pint lifting the intense workout? ;) [14:55] lol [14:56] daftykin1, it demonstated how my strength was improving..... getting easier as I progressed [14:56] ooh didn't even notice my nick === daftykin1 is now known as daftykins [14:57] tbh, I just gotta accept I am now too old to roll in at 5:45am and not feel it [14:58] once i passed 30, i got that feeling aswell. [14:58] yeh, about my age [14:58] :) [14:58] i'm hitting 29 this month ;/ [14:58] ones body is too old to cope with it. [14:58] daftykins, enjoy the next year, all downhill from then on [14:59] places shut by 2am on Guernsey though [14:59] hamitron: i've been told the downhill line since 22 i think ;) [14:59] lies! [15:00] memory issues are really beginning to bug me though [15:00] I think next weekend I'm gonna give myself a 3 hour break between the workout and drinking session [15:00] sometimes i have pauses mid-sentence to remember what i was talking about =| [15:00] :/ [15:01] I can't tackle logical problems like I used to [15:01] and then get home at 8:45 [15:01] but that is maybe just lack of practise [15:01] am* [15:08] the matrix ch5 10:55pm :) [15:08] the description for that in my tv guide is funny [15:08] "keanu reeves fights rebels in a virtual world" [15:09] oh dear [15:09] lmao [15:09] pesky rebels [15:09] die, rebel scum! [15:09] what's that from 0o [15:09] the daily mirror 7 day tv guide thing [15:14] Azelphur: ping === Neptunia is now known as Sora-kun [16:36] * neuro cries a little bit into his keyboard [16:36] emergency server migration :( [16:36] brobostigon: the matrix? on channel 5? avoid [16:37] it'll be pan and scan, filled with ads and potentially cut [16:38] maybe, yes. [16:39] Doesn't everyone have it on DVD anyway? [16:39] I think it was in that first generation of DVD titles that you bought because you had a new DVD player and there weren't many films available for it [16:39] it was like the second dvd i ever bought [16:39] region 1 [16:40] I think it was the first for me [16:40] When DVD was super-awesome [16:40] yeah [16:40] I thought pretty much everyone got it with the player [16:40] you were like LOOK AT THE QUALITY [16:40] also the first film many people downloaded from the internet [16:40] my first dvd player was a creative dvd-rom drive with mpeg2 playback card [16:41] Yeah, my first DVD player was a Panasonic slotloader [16:41] root@hathaway:/data/cargobays/1/Video/Movies# ls -l The\ Matrix\ \(1999\).mkv [16:41] -rw-r--r-- 1 neuro users 12897336691 Jul 16 2013 The Matrix (1999).mkv [16:42] my first (And last) player was a pretty terrible, cheap-as-dirt no-name player from walmart; that'd also play vcd & divx <3 [16:42] I have this one from my local computer parts warehouse retailer that has lasted 15 years [16:43] Regionless, obeys commands during the stupid unskippable trailers [16:44] i then got a chipped pioneer dv-somethingorother (sold), then chipped dv-363 (unplugged), then a sony blu ray (sold) [16:44] i don't think i've watched a blu ray disc in ages [16:44] I have a bluray drive [16:44] definitely haven't put a dvd movie in a drive for years [16:44] I have one (1) title, Avatar [16:44] i still have blu rays in the shrink wrap :) [16:44] Which mum bought me for Christmas on the premise that I must have a bluray because I was a techie kinda guy [16:44] lol [16:44] The drive came after [16:45] I had to rip 30GB of data off it to play it on Linux [16:45] DVD is still just fine [16:45] yeuch [16:46] resolution too low [16:46] DTS audio is rare [16:46] Hollywood has lost track of the fact that the plot and script are what matters [16:46] and R2 discs are usually yucky 576p50 transfers [16:46] There are ancient films with terrible resolution that choke you up [16:46] i'd still rather watch films in 1080p24 ta much :) [16:48] * neuro watches migration data transfer progress and cries a little bit more [16:48] 100G in 2.5 hrs [16:48] 460G to go :P [16:48] Across what kind of bus? [16:48] bus? [16:49] Channel for data ; commonly called a "bus" in computers] [16:49] gigabit? [16:49] you are miscategorising the premise of the task [16:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_(computing) [16:49] server 1 -> dc infra -> server 2 [16:50] 100Mbps-ish [16:50] you're pushing 400Mbps, it's gigabit with other traffic [16:50] um [16:50] ok? [16:50] i'm rsyncing data from one server to another [16:50] Hmm, is some of the data already on the other server [16:51] nope [16:51] well [16:51] 100G is, now [16:51] 104G, sorry [16:51] stupid crappy kimsufi servers [16:52] "oh lets put seagate drives in, they'll last forever" [16:52] *facepalm* [16:52] neuro: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a hard disk in a Fedex ban [16:52] van [16:52] penguin42: they're both in a dc in northern france, it will be quicker for me to rsync [16:52] since i am not in northern france [16:52] and ovh won't let me into the dc [16:53] Hire Jean Reno to break in and just pull the drive from one RAID array and shove it in the other [16:53] hmm my bad that's actually almost exactly 100mbit [16:53] raid array, haha [16:53] ali1234: yes [16:53] kinda sucks if they're in the same DC [16:53] it's not an infra limitation [16:54] server 1 is connected to a 100Mbps port [16:54] server 2 is on GigE, rate limited to 200Mbps [16:54] you're compressing - right? [16:54] nope [16:54] bzzzt - wrong answer [16:55] bzzzt - wrong question [16:55] the data is already compressed [16:55] oh [16:55] :) [16:55] neuro: I hope you don't have bandwidth charges [16:55] nope [16:55] IN THE SAME RACK?? That would be pretty harsh [16:55] not in the same rack [16:56] Well, clearly not at 100Mbit/s [16:56] and it's technically between two different "customers", because ovh are muppets [16:56] You'd think they would run some fibre between those bad boys though [16:56] "let's create a new brand for our mid range servers, but make existing customers sign up again into a new customer database" [16:56] awilkins: you're not getting it [16:57] server 1 is physically restrained by the speed of the port it's connected to [16:57] i'm maxing the port out [16:57] They in different dcs in Northern France [16:57] ? [16:57] they're either in different DCs or they are in different data halls [16:57] but it could be fibre in between or copper or wireless or whatever [16:57] i can't copy anything faster than 100Mbps [16:58] because server 1 can only connect at 100Mbps [16:59] Is it really old? [16:59] no idea [16:59] Because I have gigabit right on my desktop motherboard [16:59] dude [16:59] awilkins: Might be, or might be on 100Mbps switch port [16:59] the server only does 100Mbps because it's plugged into a 100Mbps port because that's what OVH wanted to sell it at [16:59] Damn Frenchies [17:00] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full [17:00] 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full [17:00] 1000baseT/Full [17:00] Speed: 100Mb/s [17:00] Duplex: Full [17:00] Sounds like it's the card on the box that's limited to that [17:00] argh [17:00] No it doesn#t [17:00] I#m tired [17:00] *slap* [17:00] Clearly my finger can't reach my apostrophe cos it's so tired [17:01] no excuses! [17:01] anyway [17:01] 110G [17:01] :P [17:01] tum te tum [17:01] Had a very long fortnight and a hectic weekend [17:01] and in the meantime i'm trying to get the right packages and config sorted on server 2 [17:01] paaaaaaaaain in the buuuuuuum [17:02] it's my own fault really [17:02] i didn't document stuff [17:03] and i can't get apache to fire up, which is equally annoying [17:03] odd image manipulation question that I have no idea how to even describe; given a box where the edges aren't straight, something that can straighten them? preferably something scriptable? [17:04] (top and bottom edges are always fine, left/right edges have 'wavy' deviations, not just a skewed container) [17:04] oh, hmm [17:04] graphicsmagick maybe? [17:05] well it can do affine transforms - but shauno has a more wiggly box [17:05] aaaaaaaaah [17:05] ports.conf [17:05] * neuro slaps apache2 [17:06] very wiggly boxes :/ my cleanest sample so far is http://lab.oneil.me.uk/hffax/wefax_20140202_165508_0_ok.png [17:07] I can skew the whole thing happily enough, but I'd really like something that can catch the wobbles [17:09] "Internal Server Error" [17:09] yay [17:11] "Warning: mysql_connect(): Access denied for user" [17:11] yay, even better [17:12] shauno: you can code something up to fix that quite easily with scipy/numpy [17:12] are the lines always same length? [17:13] they should be, but they're not [17:13] hmm [17:13] how you receiving that exactly? [17:13] sdr+fldigi [17:14] have you got one with less edge cropping? [17:15] actually does it just wrap around? [17:15] the black/white pattern is sent once per line? [17:15] I think that's my best yet. but it should wrap, yeah [17:15] the black/white pattern should mark the ends of the lines [17:16] you'll want to operate on the raw data [17:16] luckily this is how scipy wants to work anyway [17:19] hm, looking to see if there's any other way I can export it. fax is inherently analogue [17:20] scipy just wants the raw demodulated analogue waveform [17:21] lining up the lines with black blocks will be easy, not sure how you can do the others though [17:26] okay, I'm dumping the next few to wav .. I'll pick the cleanest and then I guess try to learn python :) [17:27] python is the easy part :) [17:27] I can't seem to find any documentation of how long the line should be [17:31] so what you need to do is cross-correlate the white-black pattern then take maximums. that's where the lines start/end [17:32] you can probably do that with only numpy [17:32] since it's 1d [17:32] haha oh yeh wefax [17:32] well half of them anyway [17:32] the rest, just guess :) [17:34] hm, there doesn't seem to be an actual line length; that's why it's not written as such [17:34] a line is 1/2second. what I do with it is apparently my problem [17:36] shauno: I thought the idea is that you run some type of phase lock to the big black blob on the left ? [17:36] right [17:36] there probably isn;t even horizontal pixels [17:37] just a continuous signal [17:37] nod [17:37] just a brightness sensor wired to the signal [17:37] and a hopefully vaguely fixed rate spinning drum [17:37] analogue TV is the same. except it has a proper sync signal on every line [17:38] maybe this thing does too but it's not visible in the processed output [17:38] it doesn't seem to, it's just fsk .. so one frequency means black, the other means white [17:38] hey folks, I'm doing program > file 2>&1, the stuff shows up in file, but only after I close the program [17:38] which...is annoying [17:39] yay, server up and running, just need to wait for data copy to complete now [17:39] Azelphur: Is the stuff mostly coming out of stderr or stdout? [17:40] think it's mostly stdout, python print :) [17:40] also unless your receiver is dropping usb packets i don't see how it can even go out of sync... [17:40] i like it when web based things that have package dependencies have a page that says "oh, this is missing, installify it please" [17:40] Azelphur: Generally stdout is buffered when it thinks it's writing to a file [17:40] that's annoying :/ [17:40] Azelphur: use f.write()/f.flush() - it still probably won't help much though [17:41] f? [17:41] sys.stdout.write() that is [17:41] ah [17:41] right; as long as both I and the sender agree on lines-per-minute, this wobble shouldn't happen [17:41] the buffer is in the pipe [17:41] yeh, you should be able to change the output buffering mode [17:42] ali1234: there we go, calling sys.stdout.flush() seems to solve it, ty :) [17:43] Azelphur: i want you to make a website for minecraft seeds [17:43] oh? [17:43] i know there's loads already but they only have like 10 seeds each [17:43] hehe [17:43] i spent this moring writing a seed -> map.png batch python script [17:43]