| tony-smlr | SMLR Live is Video http://www.youtube.com/embed/uAs7qm7M81A - Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming | 12:24 |
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| tony-smlr | we are also chatting on #smlr | 12:25 |
| rick_h_ | howdy | 12:50 |
| cmaloney | morning | 15:25 |
| gamerchick02 | morning to all the snowbound peeps in here. | 16:25 |
| derekv | what the heck should I put for groupId in an new opensource library | 20:58 |
| derekv | reminds me i need a company name | 21:01 |
| derekv | for software | 21:01 |
| derekv | or I could recycle my DBA 0panic.com | 21:02 |
| jrwren | what is a groupId? | 21:04 |
| derekv | its metainfo for maven, by convention its a domain name you control (reversed) and the same as a root package name for the project | 21:06 |
| derekv | http://code.google.com/p/guava-libraries/source/browse/pom.xml#12 | 21:08 |
| jrwren | looks same as your package prefix | 21:25 |
| derekv | yes | 21:29 |
| derekv | damn android studio | 21:29 |
| cmaloney | I've really disliked that practice in Java | 21:37 |
| cmaloney | It makes sense for big companies but makes no sense for anyone else | 21:38 |
| cmaloney | Though I really really want to register something lewd so I can release Java packages under that name | 21:38 |
| cmaloney | like com.javafucksgoatsforbreakfast.package." | 21:39 |
| * cmaloney checks to see if that's registered. | 21:39 | |
| cmaloney | Nope, still available. | 21:39 |
| greg-g | paultag, of ubuntu/debian fam, has anized.org registered for this reason (org.anized.whatever) | 23:28 |
| derekv | assholes | 23:29 |
| derekv | 0panic.com is a valid domain name | 23:29 |
| derekv | com.0panic is not a valid java package | 23:29 |
| greg-g | haha | 23:29 |
| greg-g | sorry | 23:29 |
| greg-g | I feel for ya | 23:29 |
| derekv | supposed i'll use com.controlallrobots | 23:36 |
| derekv | everything about java is retarded | 23:41 |
| cmaloney | yes | 23:42 |
| cmaloney | This is the same company that promoted /opt | 23:43 |
| derekv | I wouldn't be using it if I could just settle on one thing I'm into long enough to persue it as a career | 23:43 |
| derekv | i have some pretty venomous thoughts about java sometimes... like how its an avenue for people whith no ability or interest to still enjoy careers as software developers | 23:47 |
| greg-g | I doubt language makes much of a difference there | 23:48 |
| cmaloney | yeah, I don't blame Java for that. | 23:48 |
| derekv | maybe not | 23:48 |
| cmaloney | I blame schools for choosing it as the anti-C++ | 23:48 |
| derekv | cmaloney: i think that's closer to what I'm trying to say | 23:49 |
| cmaloney | and to be fair there were some neat things that Java promosed | 23:50 |
| cmaloney | promised even | 23:50 |
| greg-g | just stick with LISP | 23:50 |
| cmaloney | and had Sun not been trying hard to keep Java from being taken over by Microsoft we might have had somet of them come to fruition | 23:50 |
| derekv | ok i'm probably going to come off as an asshole here but, it has to happen sometimes. on the one hand, you have things that are tough like getting good with pointers | 23:53 |
| cmaloney | yep | 23:53 |
| derekv | you have higher level stuff like closures or functional programming | 23:53 |
| derekv | if neither one of those things is your schtick ... fine | 23:53 |
| derekv | there's still ways to be a programmer | 23:54 |
| cmaloney | I think the big problem was C++ was a big enough hot mess that anything looked better by comparison | 23:54 |
| derekv | but I don't see the point for schools to dumb things down for poeple who want to call themselves computer scientists | 23:54 |
| greg-g | they don't want to | 23:54 |
| greg-g | that's the thing | 23:54 |
| greg-g | they want a degree to get a job | 23:55 |
| derekv | if your getting a degree in computer science, well, learn to use pointers, learn to understand lisp, etc | 23:55 |
| greg-g | only the ones that go on to grad school want to be called computer scientists | 23:55 |
| derekv | that's pretty easy to get too | 23:55 |
| derekv | just time consuming | 23:55 |
| derekv | maybe a PHD is different, I don't know | 23:56 |
| waf | do you consider pointers to be part of computer science? | 23:56 |
| greg-g | all education is easy if typical college stuff is easy for you | 23:56 |
| waf | i'd say computer science is more about algorithms | 23:56 |
| * greg-g nods | 23:56 | |
| waf | so java would work fine | 23:56 |
| derekv | waf: yes but I understand what your saying | 23:56 |
| waf | the language doesn't really matter | 23:56 |
| derekv | waf: because pointers has to do with the reality of how machines actually work | 23:57 |
| waf | now, i don't like java either, but it made sense for colleges to choose it at the time | 23:57 |
| waf | so i think it makes sense to have maybe one or two classes where you use C | 23:57 |
| waf | which most colleges have (citation needed) | 23:57 |
| derekv | waf: if you subtract the physical machine totally and just focus on algorithms your actually just in a branch of Math now | 23:57 |
| cmaloney | waf: I think that's part of the problem. | 23:58 |
| cmaloney | derekv: Um, not really | 23:58 |
| waf | derekv: right, which is why pretty much every college still has at least one C or C++ class | 23:58 |
| cmaloney | If the machine is a VM then you learn the ins and outs of the VM. | 23:58 |
| greg-g | let's see, debate/talk CS vs Math or go watch sportsball | 23:58 |
| waf | well, out of my sample size of 3, all 3 had c/c++ mandatory classes | 23:59 |
| cmaloney | greg-g: sportsball is overrated. | 23:59 |
| waf | i have it on in the background. that counts right? | 23:59 |
| greg-g | I don't have a tv, and all other options are apparently piracy on the high seas | 23:59 |
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