[12:24] SMLR Live is Video http://www.youtube.com/embed/uAs7qm7M81A - Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming [12:25] we are also chatting on #smlr [12:50] howdy [15:25] morning [16:25] morning to all the snowbound peeps in here. [20:58] what the heck should I put for groupId in an new opensource library [21:01] reminds me i need a company name [21:01] for software [21:02] or I could recycle my DBA 0panic.com [21:04] what is a groupId? [21:06] its metainfo for maven, by convention its a domain name you control (reversed) and the same as a root package name for the project [21:08] http://code.google.com/p/guava-libraries/source/browse/pom.xml#12 [21:25] looks same as your package prefix [21:29] yes [21:29] damn android studio [21:37] I've really disliked that practice in Java [21:38] It makes sense for big companies but makes no sense for anyone else [21:38] Though I really really want to register something lewd so I can release Java packages under that name [21:39] like com.javafucksgoatsforbreakfast.package." [21:39] * cmaloney checks to see if that's registered. [21:39] Nope, still available. [23:28] paultag, of ubuntu/debian fam, has anized.org registered for this reason (org.anized.whatever) [23:29] assholes [23:29] 0panic.com is a valid domain name [23:29] com.0panic is not a valid java package [23:29] haha [23:29] sorry [23:29] I feel for ya [23:36] supposed i'll use com.controlallrobots [23:41] everything about java is retarded [23:42] yes [23:43] This is the same company that promoted /opt [23:43] I wouldn't be using it if I could just settle on one thing I'm into long enough to persue it as a career [23:47] i have some pretty venomous thoughts about java sometimes... like how its an avenue for people whith no ability or interest to still enjoy careers as software developers [23:48] I doubt language makes much of a difference there [23:48] yeah, I don't blame Java for that. [23:48] maybe not [23:48] I blame schools for choosing it as the anti-C++ [23:49] cmaloney: i think that's closer to what I'm trying to say [23:50] and to be fair there were some neat things that Java promosed [23:50] promised even [23:50] just stick with LISP [23:50] and had Sun not been trying hard to keep Java from being taken over by Microsoft we might have had somet of them come to fruition [23:53] ok i'm probably going to come off as an asshole here but, it has to happen sometimes. on the one hand, you have things that are tough like getting good with pointers [23:53] yep [23:53] you have higher level stuff like closures or functional programming [23:53] if neither one of those things is your schtick ... fine [23:54] there's still ways to be a programmer [23:54] I think the big problem was C++ was a big enough hot mess that anything looked better by comparison [23:54] but I don't see the point for schools to dumb things down for poeple who want to call themselves computer scientists [23:54] they don't want to [23:54] that's the thing [23:55] they want a degree to get a job [23:55] if your getting a degree in computer science, well, learn to use pointers, learn to understand lisp, etc [23:55] only the ones that go on to grad school want to be called computer scientists [23:55] that's pretty easy to get too [23:55] just time consuming [23:56] maybe a PHD is different, I don't know [23:56] do you consider pointers to be part of computer science? [23:56] all education is easy if typical college stuff is easy for you [23:56] i'd say computer science is more about algorithms [23:56] * greg-g nods [23:56] so java would work fine [23:56] waf: yes but I understand what your saying [23:56] the language doesn't really matter [23:57] waf: because pointers has to do with the reality of how machines actually work [23:57] now, i don't like java either, but it made sense for colleges to choose it at the time [23:57] so i think it makes sense to have maybe one or two classes where you use C [23:57] which most colleges have (citation needed) [23:57] waf: if you subtract the physical machine totally and just focus on algorithms your actually just in a branch of Math now [23:58] waf: I think that's part of the problem. [23:58] derekv: Um, not really [23:58] derekv: right, which is why pretty much every college still has at least one C or C++ class [23:58] If the machine is a VM then you learn the ins and outs of the VM. [23:58] let's see, debate/talk CS vs Math or go watch sportsball [23:59] well, out of my sample size of 3, all 3 had c/c++ mandatory classes [23:59] greg-g: sportsball is overrated. [23:59] i have it on in the background. that counts right? [23:59] I don't have a tv, and all other options are apparently piracy on the high seas