[02:17] <Unit193> Are we going to want to ship the patches in xfce 10627 and xfce 10626?  I have the packages built for myself since xdg-user-dirs-gtk now updates ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks.
[10:18] <knome> Unit193, those sound like something we might want to use
[10:19] <knome> Unit193, do you have any idea how the migration from gtk2 bookmarks (lts->lts upgrade) would go? user just loses his old bookmarks (unless he digs them up from the gtk2 bookmarks location?)
[10:58] <ali1234> knome: it works exactly like it does in gtk3
[10:58] <ali1234> it checks for the new file, if not found it checks for the old file
[10:58] <ali1234> any time user adds or removes bookmarks the result is written to new file only
[10:59] <ali1234> so the new file gets created the first time bookmarks are modified
[10:59] <ali1234> we have to do exactly what gtk does if we use gtk file requester...
[11:00] <ali1234> the only possible problem with those patches is if someone compiles up to date xfce against a really old gtk2 version
[11:00] <ali1234> ideally it should detect gtk2 version and do something appropriate at build time, in configure scripts, but i never learned how to do that with autotools
[11:02] <knome> does precise have a "really old gtk2 version" ?
[11:05] <ali1234> probably
[11:05] <ali1234> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-24&id=de89546e30db83e6e10f72062b3b5c38814bb64d
[11:05] <ali1234> older than that = "really old"
[11:12] <ali1234> anyway, it won't cause anything worse than what happens now
[11:12] <ali1234> currently the gtk file requester and thunar bookmarks are out of sync
[11:13] <ali1234> unless you use "really old gtk2"
[11:13] <ali1234> after the patch that will be reversed
[11:14] <knome> !info libgtk2.0-0
[11:14] <knome> eh,
[11:14] <knome> !info libgtk2.0-0 precise
[13:28] <brainwash_> this bug is now invalid/outdated, right? bug 1173114
[13:29] <ali1234> i guess so, yeah
[13:34] <brainwash_> I think it needs to be marked as "won't fix"
[13:34] <brainwash_> or is "invalid" correct?
[13:35] <ali1234> won't fix
[13:36] <brainwash_> knome: ^
[13:37] <brainwash_> generally I feel like "we" could do some clean up on launchpad (xubuntu related reports)
[14:11] <Unit193> I'm using it at least, but didn't really have much to transition.  Seems like upgraders might lose standard bookmarks if they created any, but that's going to happen either way.
[14:16] <brainwash_> knome: and what is the agenda for old bug reports targeting xubuntu/xfce bugs in 11.10 and older?
[14:19] <brainwash_> should we request the reporter to reevaluate the report or wishlist request?
[14:21] <brainwash_> the goal would be to reduce the amount of reports, to give feedback and try to resolve pending issues
[14:22] <ali1234> Unit193: the problem with bookmarks is that gtk will migrate them anyway and probably already has if you're on saucy
[15:01] <Unit193> ali1234: Thanks for the patches too.
[15:01] <ali1234> did you see them on the mailing list?
[15:02] <ali1234> i have a couple of others which i think are more important, as they fix papercut-type bugs
[15:02] <Unit193> I think you poked about them as well, but yes, I check archives every so often.
[15:03] <ali1234> http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2014-January/030606.html
[15:04] <Unit193> Mhmm.
[16:02] <bluesabre> nearly done with catfish-1.0, if anybody wants to do some pre-release testing... bzr pull lp:catfish-search
[16:02] <bluesabre> also, translators? https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish-search
[16:31] <bluesabre> feedback on the refreshed look? http://imagebin.org/290460
[16:38] <brainwash_> bluesabre: looks nice and clean, almost like a file manager
[16:39] <ali1234> a bit too much like a file manager
[16:39] <ali1234> could be confusing. the filetypes thing looks like the bookmarks list
[17:04] <bluesabre> usually, the sidebar is not shown unless activated from the menu button
[17:04] <bluesabre> so, most users don't end up seeing it
[19:54] <Unit193> knome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/k9mGqp2V3nXff0mRGE4q :P
[19:59] <Unit193> Using the gettext tools, you don't lose (all) the translations when moving the content to settings-preferences.xml
[20:34] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, yay for new catfish
[20:34] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: :)
[20:34] <bluesabre> I'll be releasing it some time today
[20:35] <Noskcaj> I made a mess of the mugshot upload though, it got removed from NEW, but should be into debian later this week
[20:35] <bluesabre> hopefully before the 6th
[20:36] <brainwash_> feature freeze?
[20:37] <bluesabre> debian import freeze
[20:38] <brainwash_> does not affect sync or?
[20:40] <bluesabre> it affects automatic sync
[20:40] <bluesabre> so, saves us the trouble of packaging for ubuntu
[20:41] <brainwash_> ok, so things start to get serious
[20:41] <brainwash_> final release soon :)
[20:42] <brainwash_> do you think that you can get bug 1273896 solved in time?
[20:43] <bluesabre> I'll have a look at that today or tomorrow
[20:43] <brainwash_> currently my brain is washed from reading all the Xfce source code
[20:44] <bluesabre> sounds dangerous
[20:44] <Noskcaj> So in the next few days i need to: update catfish, finish uploading mugshot, get a sponsor for at least gambc and xsane, finish packaging gnome-photos and -weather
[20:46] <bluesabre> sounds like a busy time
[20:46] <brainwash_> https://code.launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/ubuntu/trusty/gnome-system-tools/sudo-group
[20:46] <Noskcaj> yeah, at least my school laptop comes back today
[20:46] <bluesabre> I'm going to be pretty tied up this week, we have a new potential client visiting this week
[20:47] <brainwash_> I'll need to test my changes first before requesting a merge
[20:47] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, that's usually a good idea
[20:48] <brainwash_> it is
[20:48] <brainwash_> btw I cannot rebuild your xfce4-panel 4.11 package
[20:48] <brainwash_> I don't have the log right now, but it was complaining about gtk-doc
[20:48] <Noskcaj> the gtk3 indicator stuff is a mess. Hopefully we get some full releases soon
[20:49] <brainwash_> more delay =S
[20:50] <brainwash_> but it seems to work fine now, mostly
[20:50] <brainwash_> 1 transparency issue unsolved yet
[20:52] <Noskcaj> I'd be happy to put in the stuff as soon as it's released, since we've tested it well. But git snapshots of such a big package in an LTS is something that worries me
[20:52] <brainwash_> we could backport the needed patches
[20:53] <brainwash_> that's an ugly solution too
[20:54] <Unit193> Old stuff = broken and hardly standing on one leg.  New stuff = git snapshots which normally isn't great to ship, but may be the lesser evil.
[20:54] <Noskcaj> Unit193, good point
[20:56] <brainwash_> but will trusty be stuck with xfce "4.11" for the whole cycle?
[20:56] <Noskcaj> brainwash_, I plan to get a lot of stuff into backports
[20:56] <Noskcaj> once 4.12 drops
[20:56] <brainwash_> that's great
[20:57] <Unit193> apt-cache policy  will show you backports enabled, but pinned lower than the rest.
[20:57] <brainwash_> too bad that Xfce is moving forward so slowly despite being so popular
[20:58] <Noskcaj> yeah
[20:58] <Noskcaj> fyi: A new debian update of thunar-volman just got uploaded
[20:59] <Noskcaj> autoreconf + drop chrpath
[20:59] <ochosi> evening everyone
[21:00] <Noskcaj> hey ochosi 
[21:00] <brainwash_> hello ochosi 
[21:00] <Unit193> ochosi: Howdy.
[21:01] <Unit193> ochosi: Waiting on k n om e for the resizes?
[21:01] <ochosi> Unit193: either that or i'll do it myself
[21:04] <ochosi> i actually asked him about the resolution we wanna use
[21:04] <ochosi> cause one of the contributors pointed out that our resolution is too low for e.g. macbook pro retina
[21:04] <ochosi> bluesabre: what resolution do you have on your laptop?
[21:05] <knome> Unit193, nice
[21:05] <bluesabre> ochosi: 1080p
[21:05] <ochosi> 1920x1080?
[21:05] <bluesabre> yes
[21:05] <knome> ochosi, boo :)
[21:05] <ochosi> hm, that's still comparably "low"
[21:05] <knome> ochosi, so...
[21:05] <knome> ochosi, all the rest of the wallpapers are 2560x* except solitude
[21:05] <knome> ochosi, i have no problem cutting it, just tell me which direction
[21:08] <ochosi> that's a bit too much like doing it myself :>
[21:08] <ali1234> i need 3200x1200 wallpapers ... i assume that's what you're talking about
[21:09] <knome> ali1234, for multimonitor?
[21:09] <ali1234> yeah
[21:09] <knome> ali1234, get lost. that's irrealistic.
[21:09] <knome> :)
[21:09] <knome> we're not going to have that.
[21:11] <ochosi> dunno, theoretically we could cut them that way
[21:11] <ochosi> but it would make them look really different
[21:12] <ochosi> creating multi-monitor versions in a separate package would be a solution, if someone agrees to do the packaging work
[21:12] <ochosi> (i'd have to ask the authors for their permission though)
[21:12] <ali1234> might as well just go straight to WHXGA
[21:13] <knome> ali1234, the sources for all the wallpapers aren't that big
[21:13] <ochosi> we can rethink the sizes for the next contest
[21:13] <knome> ali1234, but seriously, you should have brought this up when we created the guidelines for the contest
[21:13] <knome> this is the wrong time
[21:18] <Unit193> So yeah, it looks like if we manually update them rather than letting LP do it we can keep the strings?
[21:20] <knome> i guess.
[21:21] <Unit193> If you want to do that, it's pretty simple.  If you want to let LP and hope for the best that works as well.  (Or, if you for some reason want me to do it and you merge. ;P )
[21:22] <knome> Unit193, last one sounds good
[21:23] <Unit193> >_>
[21:25] <ochosi> ali1234: btw, you can use traslasierra nicely on two monitors, have tested it on 3840x1200 (just use it on each display separately)
[21:35] <Unit193> Done.
[21:41] <ElderDryas> I've been having problems installing 14.04A1/2 and dailies since A2.  As far back as 13.04, I would get a notification bubble at the end of the install process stating that space on /home was getting low (~140GB partition).  On the 14.04 installations, this bubble would popup early on in the process and just a bit later the install would stop (saying it was out of space). Xubuntu is the only distro that this happens on (not with Fedora, LM,
[21:41] <ElderDryas>  SolydX, Slackware and Salix). The end result is that I can no longer install Xubuntu. Is this a known problem, (I can't find any mention of it)?
[21:42] <knome> haven't heard of it
[21:43] <holstein> ElderDryas: do the stable releases install?
[21:44] <ElderDryas> 13.10 does, with the notification bubble comming at the end of the process, but intalling
[21:45] <ElderDryas> Quite literally the end, I hit ignore and the install process finishes imediately.
[21:46] <ElderDryas> Just a thought, is "/home"  on the USB stick or the hdd ?
[21:46] <holstein> ElderDryas: on any drive? in any system? all systems of yours?
[21:47] <ElderDryas> I have one computer :(
[21:47] <holstein> ElderDryas: where did you put /home?
[21:47] <ElderDryas> I have used the same setup since 8.04, / = 8GB, swap =2GB, and home the rest ~140GB
[21:48] <ElderDryas> holstein: one hdd, partitioned as noted above.
[21:48] <ElderDryas> in that order, sda1 = / sda2=swap sda3 = /home
[21:50] <holstein> ElderDryas: you can try using the default setup.. let the installer partition
[21:51] <ElderDryas> why?
[21:51] <holstein> ElderDryas: you dont have to.. im just the kind of guy who tries things, and sees what seems to be causing issues
[21:52] <ElderDryas> Sorry, didn't mean to be rude...the default setup doesn't set up a seperate home, which makes re-installs not fun :)
[21:53] <holstein> ElderDryas: im not suggesting trying it "for fun"
[21:53] <holstein> ElderDryas: how about this.. in VM.. can you recreate that error in virtualbox? you can mess about there and not "break" your setup
[21:54] <ElderDryas> Ok, thanks.
[22:10] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2 
[22:10] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi, hello
[22:12] <ochosi> knome, Unit193: we're getting the 2560x1600px version of bubbles hopefully tomorrow btw
[22:12] <ochosi> (currently it's x1440)
[22:12] <Unit193> Ah, nice.
[22:13] <ochosi> sergio-br2: what's the status of your merge-request?
[22:13] <knome> ochosi, okat.
[22:13] <knome> okay too..
[22:15] <ochosi> sergio-br2: did you resolve all the things we discussed last time? i'd like to do a release soon, and it'd be nice to include your 96px work
[22:15] <sergio-br2> hum, not yet
[22:16] <sergio-br2> i fixed calculator icon, in 96 and 128
[22:16] <sergio-br2> and others things
[22:16] <sergio-br2> do you have a date for this release?
[22:17] <ochosi> well, i can wait a bit longer
[22:17] <ochosi> but i'd like to get it done this week to the latest
[22:17] <sergio-br2> hum, ok
[22:17] <ochosi> all the places/ stuff would be nice to have ready
[22:18] <ochosi> (if you can manage)
[22:18] <ochosi> otherwise we can also push a work-in-progress
[22:18] <sergio-br2> all the places? Is 96 px folder icon good?
[22:19] <ochosi> yup, as far as i can tell it looks good
[22:19] <sergio-br2> ok, then i will start the others folders
[22:21] <ochosi> great, thanks
[22:21] <sergio-br2> at least, 96 px folders maybe will be good to merge. Mime types i don't know... there is a lot of icons...
[22:21] <ochosi> yeah i know
[22:21] <ochosi> well even a work-in-progress of those is ok
[22:21] <sergio-br2> ok
[22:21] <ochosi> please file a separate/new MR for the places stuff when it's ready
[22:21] <ochosi> makes it easier to review and merge
[22:22] <brainwash_> sergio-br2: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10656 is related to your whisker menu bug report "Drag-and-drop xfce panel..."
[22:22] <sergio-br2> new MR? you mean new merge request?
[22:23] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yup
[22:23] <sergio-br2> ok
[22:23] <ochosi> ty
[22:24] <sergio-br2> maybe at tuesday i will finish the revision of this merge request
[22:24] <ochosi> sounds like a good plan
[22:40] <sergio-br2> ochosi, you want apps/96 in the same MR of folders/96 ?
[22:40] <ochosi> sergio-br2: i'd prefer separate merge-requests
[22:41] <sergio-br2> ah, a MR for each 96 px folder?
[22:42] <brainwash_> sergio-br2: did you take a look at the linked report? I suggest that you update your whisker menu report, because the issue is not whisker menu specific
[22:43] <sergio-br2> yeah, i look, and understand now
[22:43] <brainwash_> strange glitch
[22:44] <sergio-br2> so, it happens with others plugins?
[22:44] <brainwash_> only with external panel plugins
[22:44] <ochosi> sergio-br2: no, just one for everything you add in places/96
[22:44] <ochosi> sergio-br2: but ideally a separate merge-request for stuff that's in other folders, like apps/96
[22:44] <sergio-br2> ah, ok
[22:45] <sergio-br2> is it possible to exclude some commit in the merge request?
[22:46] <ochosi> one thing you can do is set up a new branch at the state where you last forked
[22:46] <ochosi> so that you're at the same state as elementary-xfce-master
[22:46] <ochosi> and then add your 96px folder stuff in one commit, then do a merge request