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SonikkuAmericaBeldar: Cute comma :)07:08
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FuLgOrEHi. Is anybody working on the N5 image at the moment? Is anybody working on the sound and wifi issue?07:32
FuLgOrEAnd have anybody seen rsalveti?07:32
SonikkuAmericaFuLgOrE: The N5 image is no longer official, and I can't say whether or not it's being actively developed, but my guess is not at present...07:47
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FuLgOrESonikkuAmerica: I know that is not official but there is an inofficial image. I'm using that already. The guy who made that image also use a N5 now so I was hoping that he is working on that at the weekend.07:49
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davmor2_Morning all10:00
FuLgOrE_It's 6 pm here, nice evening10:01
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FuLgOrE_what's going on with freenode today...10:05
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UTouchUserI have script on Ubuntu Touch that connects the device to a particular WLAN acccess point. This is done with the command iwconfig wlan0 essid $ESSID. However, after some while the device automatically connects to another access point. Have you any idea why?11:45
sil2100didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart-app-launch/+bug/127501712:13
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sil2100bfiller: hello!14:04
sil2100bfiller: two things - first, I'm working on a cleanup branch for the OSK, but it's still in progress14:04
sil2100bfiller: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-keyboard/cleanup_code_and_packaging/+merge/20449314:04
bfillersil2100: hello14:05
sil2100bfiller: the second thing... we released dialer-app and as you already said, it sadly did not fix the dialer-app crasher we're getting on autopilot smoketesting14:05
sil2100bfiller: could you poke someone to look into that crasher?14:05
bfillersil2100: yeah, we've been looking at the crash for some time now and cannot figure it out14:06
bfillersil2100: it's not reproducible on the device14:06
bfillernot really sure how to proceed14:06
bfillerthe stack trace didn't have anything relevant14:07
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sil2100bfiller: yeah, that's a complicated one it seems, not sure what to do as well in this case - strangely on smoketesting it happens like every-time14:10
sil2100bfiller: maybe there's something special in the way smoketesting starts those tests, not sure?14:11
mptLaney (or anyone else), are you familiar with the work to implement a connectivity API? Is there a bug report for it?14:13
mptI don’t see it in <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono>14:13
bfillersil2100: It must be something like specific to the env14:13
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Laneympt: seb128 says Wellark is working on that14:18
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kenvandinetedg, good morning!14:21
kenvandinetedg, good news... i pulled your latest untrusted-helper branch and i can no longer reproduce that problem14:22
fermulatorHey all, I've been recently researching the status of "Ubuntu Phone" -- strongly considering switching. However I can't seem to get a handle on A) the list of currently functioning applications, and B) if the mail client supports connectivity with work/office life. (i.e. I currently have a blackberry, other coworkers have android/iphone, can I switch to Ubuntu Phone today and access my work e-mail/calendar?)14:26
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ssjanyone got touch with multirom15:01
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loolbregma: ah hey there too15:12
loolbregma: I found this thread on high DPI handling in GNOME interesting and used this occasion to dive into the reasons for hardcoding 96dpi in GNOME stack; https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2014-February/msg00009.html15:12
loolbregma: the last email with pointers from Emmanuel Basi was worth the read15:13
loolthey point out the obvious issues with DPI / physical size handling (that you also need to account for the viewing angle/distance), some less obvious X issue (one screen multiple outputs and also dealing with moving windows between outputs) and some awful issues about real hardware15:14
loolI'm a bit sad about the hardware stories they relate and about the decision of throwing the towel, but I'm hoping that perhaps we can at least whitelist some devices correctly; either as upstream or not patches or as a startup helper that would fix this before displaying anything15:15
bregmaproper high-DPI handling is still in its infancy, like colour matching was 20 years ago, with all kinds of real problems and wrong solutions15:20
mardykenvandine: hi! Do you have some time for a question about the HUB?15:21
kenvandinesure15:21
kenvandinemardy, ^^15:22
mardykenvandine: so, in Online Accounts we want to be able to run account plugins which come installed in click packages15:22
loolbregma: sure, albeit we need to compromise for decent high-res 14.04 support  :-)15:22
bregmalool, very much so15:22
mardykenvandine: in the HUB, I guess you have a similar case where you want to run the applications providing the content15:23
mardykenvandine: how do you do that? With aa-exec-click?15:23
kenvandineupstart-app-launch15:23
kenvandinewe use the lib15:24
kenvandineprovides an api for starting and stopping15:24
mardykenvandine: right, because in your case they are regular apps... I wonder how it would work for accounts15:24
kenvandineso it runs it based on the appid15:24
kenvandinemardy,  so for UOA you need to run a process that provides the service right?15:25
kenvandinewhich runs as a confined app? shouldn't it be a trusted helper?15:25
mardykenvandine: right, yes and no: the account plugin cannot be trusted, so the online-accounts-ui trusted helper will run it under confinement15:26
kenvandinemardy, so maybe tedg's untrusted helpers?15:28
kenvandinewhich isn't merged yet15:28
mardykenvandine: sounds insteresting, let me try to find it...15:29
kenvandinebut it's designed so you could provide an untrusted helper that figures out the exec line to use15:29
kenvandinehttps://code.launchpad.net/~ted/upstart-app-launch/untrusted-helper/+merge/20270315:29
kenvandinemardy, ^^15:29
kenvandinehttps://code.launchpad.net/~ted/infographic-service/bootstrapping/+merge/20274715:29
mardykenvandine: if I understand correctly, all the untrusted helpers of the same type (would "online-accounts" be a type in this case?) will be run under the same apparmor profile, which is now what I want15:34
mardykenvandine: well, I guess I can do like the content hub does, and require plugins to ship a .desktop file (if that's required for using upstart-app-launch)15:36
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kenvandinemardy, for untrusted-helpers, you don't need a desktop file15:41
kenvandineyou just need a way to build the exec line15:41
kenvandineand set APP_EXEC15:41
kenvandineit uses the helper to set that15:42
kenvandinemardy, would it need to be able to create a surface? i assume not... it would actually poke signon-ui for that15:42
kenvandineor the new version of that15:42
mardykenvandine: no, it really needs to create a surface15:43
kenvandinemardy, ok... that would be harder... but Mir won't let you with an untrusted-helper15:43
kenvandinemardy, have a chat with ted... he might have ideas15:43
mardykenvandine: yes, I think the account plugins need to be part of the trusted session15:44
kenvandineabsolutely!15:44
kenvandinebut you need a way to exec them... so you could just make desktop files for them with the right profile15:44
mardykenvandine: yep, I might use this then15:44
davmor2barry: system-image does it actually detect if you are on wifi or not?  In settings if you make sure it says autodownload on wifi only, disable wifi so the device is only on 3g it still autodownloads when there is an image available :(15:45
mardykenvandine: so, if I want to pass parameters (such as a unix socket to connect to), I need to encode them as URLs, right?15:45
kenvandineyeah15:46
barrydavmor2: no, system-image doesn't make that determination.  at one point it was supposed to happen in system-settings.  maybe it doesn't though :/15:51
ogra_davmor2, i filed a bug for that last week15:53
ogra_(since barry asked me to :) )15:53
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ogra_davmor2, bug 127421516:07
ubot5bug 1274215 in ubuntu-download-manager (Ubuntu) ""always download on WLAN" in the update manager does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127421516:07
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xnoxpopey: dholbach: why are the reviews manual, and not automatic? plus those error messages appear to be generated.17:02
dholbachxnox, automatic reviews are in the works17:03
xnoxpopey: dholbach: also neither of those options are available in saucy, are they? so webapps that use those command line options are broken on saucy / stable.17:03
dholbachxnox, I have no idea about that17:03
xnoxpopey: dholbach: so i should be bumping the spec/dependencies on the webapps/webrowser framework.17:03
xnoxpopey: dholbach: or saucy should get an SRU to not error out on those options (make them dummy)17:03
xnoxpopey: dholbach: the result of the check is wrong, i'm using old-style "webbrowser-app" exec line, not the new style "webapp-container"17:04
xnoxpopey: dholbach: the old one allows running the apps just fine (and actually executes webapp-container underneath)17:05
dholbachxnox, aha!17:05
xnoxpopey: dholbach: since my apps actually do work on trusty, please accept them as is and improve the automatic checks about parameters to be applied against webapp-container.17:05
TGMCianshey17:07
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dholbachxnox, filed bug 127584417:09
ubot5bug 1275844 in Canonical Click Reviewers tools "improve webapp parameter checks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127584417:09
shiggitayanyone available to help me troubleshoot a non UT issue?17:10
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shiggitayno one?17:14
ogra_shiggitay, non touch related ubuntu issues should go to #ubuntu17:14
shiggitayit's not even a Linux issue17:15
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Guest55686hey17:28
Guest55686Does anyone know here about RILD (Radio Interface Layer)?17:28
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NaglfarSomeone ?18:06
SomeoneFinally18:06
slangasekSomeone: not appropriate18:06
SomeoneI know18:06
Someone...18:06
slangasekdo you have a question?18:07
SomeoneYes18:07
slangasekbest practice is to ask your question18:07
SomeoneIs touch coming to older devices like s3 or s2?18:07
slangasekmeaning samsung galaxy s2/s3?18:07
SomeoneYes18:07
asacSomeone: canonical is unlikely to invest into those ports directly, but there are xda folks etc. that might pick it up etc.18:07
slangasekI know there's a community port to at least one of the s3 flavors18:08
asacSomeone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices there is a llong list of18:08
SomeoneI know but xda got only version what doesnt support cellular network18:08
asacdevices and folks that said they were once working on it18:08
asacso check with those folks there18:08
asacbut be nice and professional, not like above18:09
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Someoneit still doesnt work properly18:10
SomeoneStill problems with network18:10
SomeoneWhat the hell do i do with phone what with i cant call or send sms?18:11
dobeysmash it with a hammer18:11
SomeoneYeah18:11
SomeoneThrow it away18:11
SomeoneWhy do you even let people download your broken operating system?18:12
SomeoneAnd idiots who doesnt understand shit about phones and can unbrick it18:12
Someonecant*18:12
dobeyif you have a problem with something from xda developers, you should ask on the xda developers site18:12
SomeoneNo18:12
SomeoneIts in ubuntus website18:12
dobeya) it doesn't support every device b) it is in development still. if you don't like it, then flash android back on your device. don't go spamming irc channels18:14
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JoseeAntonioRdidrocks: hey, around?19:09
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om26erI cannot see unity in the emulator, I get to phablet prompt but I only see black screen on the emulator19:16
ogra_om26er, how long did you wait19:18
ogra_om26er, first boot takes at least 10min19:18
om26erogra_, probably more than 8-9 minutes, (its still waiting)19:18
mandelom26er, patience, takes some time19:18
ogra_om26er, give it time :)19:19
ogra_subsequent boots are a little better19:19
om26erogra_, is it normal that the prompt hangs ?19:19
mandelmhall119, small question, do you know what project deals with the contacts in the phone??19:19
mhall119mandel: what do you mean by "deals with"?19:21
mhall119do you want the contacts app project on LP?19:21
mandelmhall119, yes, that sounds about right :)19:21
mhall119mandel: https://launchpad.net/address-book-app19:21
mandelmhall119, I'm wondering if there is a way to access those contacts from another app19:21
mhall119yeah19:22
mhall119http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtContacts/19:22
mhall119it needs ContentHub provider for contacts which may not exist yet19:23
mandelmhall119, oh! ok19:23
mandelmhall119, is not my main issue right now :)19:24
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dholbachcan somebody review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-html5-theme-examples/+merge/204562 please (I discussed the change with dbarth)19:39
ogra_dholbach, that will remove it from touch, is that wanted ?19:40
didrocksno seed change right now please19:40
didrockstomorrow :p19:40
dholbachbzoltan, ^ the change was fine with you too, right? (making ubuntu-html5-theme-examples a recommends instead of depends)19:40
ogra_(touch images are built with --no-install-recommands)19:40
dholbachdbarth_, ^19:40
ogra_yeah, and all merges/uploads regarding touch are blocked now19:41
dholbachogra_, I guess for the images that should be fine19:41
ogra_since the last ubuntu-html5-themes upload made the archive explode19:41
dholbachogra_, it'd be more something for developers who install the sdk on their laptop/desktop19:41
ogra_then thats fine indeed19:41
dholbachmore space on the device ;-)19:41
ogra_dholbach, right ... just nothing to boot to either :P19:42
ogra_ubuntu-touch got uninstallable :)19:42
dbarth_ok19:46
om26erogra_, its still waiting :D19:54
om26erblack screen19:54
om26eris there any config that I should clean so that the next time i start the emulator everything happens from the beginning19:54
ogra_hmm, not sure, it changed a lot since i touched it last19:55
ogra_(and sergio is not around today, he maintains the startup stuff for it)19:55
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Elleomy n9 appears to be on it's last legs :( time to switch to ubuntu touch as my day to day phone :)20:00
HourdElleo: :)20:05
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Elleooh, hey Hourd :)20:06
Elleohow was FOSDEM?20:06
Hourdwas really good thanks :) had a great time, lost of interesting talks20:06
Elleocool20:07
bzoltanhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6866549/20:23
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Willmanhey guys21:16
Willmanhey21:18
Willmani wanna know if my htc beat one it's able to install Ubuntu?21:19
Willmani here people just quit and join and dont say nothing21:26
greybackWillman: here is the list of devices currently supported, and those community supported: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices21:31
Willmanthks21:31
Willmani will try it21:31
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phommatai was looking into install ubuntu touch on the galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition just so that i can compile and run c++ programs but there is c4droid available in the play store23:10
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harrishi is the nexus 7 2013 getting 14.0423:54

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