[00:00] <cmaloney> greg-g: Do the honorable thing
[00:00] <cmaloney> whine about it on the internet
[00:00] <cmaloney> I hear Twitter is good for that sort of thing. :)
[00:00] <greg-g> :D
[00:00] <waf> greg-g: they're actually streaming it online for free
[00:00] <waf> fox sports is
[00:00] <waf> first time i've been able to watch it on linux in a legit manner
[00:01] <greg-g> huh
[00:01] <waf> for certain values of "watch"
[00:01] <greg-g> (sorry to totally divert the topic)
[00:02] <greg-g> but, from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_halftime_shows I have learned a lot about the downhill spiral of pro footbal
[00:02] <greg-g> ball
[00:02] <derekv> downhill spiral #newphysics
[00:04] <greg-g> sooo, math and cs
[00:04]  * greg-g feels bad
[00:04] <derekv> cs is an applied math
[00:04] <greg-g> cs is just for people who can't do math
[00:05] <derekv> actually
[00:05] <derekv> software developement is more of a trade
[00:05] <derekv> occasionally approaching engineering, but not usually
[00:06] <derekv> the more you know, the science, the math, etc, it all helps you in the trade.  Gives you more tools
[00:09] <derekv> does everyone writing enterprise web apps need to go back and learn pointers or learn haskell?  no.  they might be better at their trade if they did, but its totally not nessisiary ...
[00:10] <derekv> as much as I groan at the sight of it, if I'm honest if every developer just simply read "Clean Code", then things would be better off
[00:10] <derekv> I think that's what schools need to do
[00:10] <derekv> seperate out the trade from the science
[00:11] <derekv> and be so good at teaching the trade that its no shame to focus on one vs the other
[00:11] <derekv> in fact if I could judge from the code I saw that my professors wrote, they have no clue
[00:11] <derekv> the one's I had anyways
[00:12] <callmeDarwin> when I got my CS and Math BA's there was no jobs for Mathematicians.
[00:12] <derekv> cmaloney: you can get a job in CS with a Math degree, not the other way around
[00:12] <derekv> callmeDarwin <-
[00:14] <derekv> i think there was sortof this idea with having added ad BS in Software Engineering ... but they sortof where missing the mark
[00:15] <callmeDarwin> derekv: your right.  Many of the best programmers I've worked with have degrees not on CS
[00:15] <derekv> I don't doubt that for a lot of people who stay in CS acadamia, its partly because they have no interest in craftsmanship or practical details of real life, dirty as hell, large scale systems
[00:15] <derekv> callmeDarwin: for some reason I keep meeting people with degrees in ME
[00:16] <derekv> I'm guessing anyone who can get a B.S. in math can learn to program no problem.  Most can be really good programmers if they try.
[00:17] <callmeDarwin> two of my favorite folks had Chemistry and Library Science
[00:18] <derekv> Library Science was always an interesting degree to me
[00:18] <callmeDarwin> I only needed 3 more Math classes after I had my CS degree so stayed an extra semester for the Math BA
[00:19] <callmeDarwin> Library Science now is just Data.
[00:19] <derekv> callmeDarwin: I was almost that close I think
[14:14] <brousch> Good morning
[14:23] <rick_h_> one more hour of work left!
[14:34] <brousch> rick_h_: Then swimming with the sharks?
[15:13] <rick_h_> brousch: no, just trying not to get sunburned
[17:41] <cmaloney> ugh
[18:26] <greg-g> grrr, I have TMJ, but the food I like eating is chewy
[18:26] <greg-g> ie: exactly the thing you don't want to do with TMJ
[18:28] <brousch> What is TMJ? Too Much Jam?
[18:28] <greg-g> he
[18:28] <greg-g> h
[18:29] <greg-g> basically, sore jaw joint
[18:29] <greg-g> if it gets really bad, can be lock-jaw
[18:29] <brousch> Thank goodness for TTS!
[18:29] <greg-g> TTS?
[18:29] <greg-g> should we both just exchange lmgtfy.com/ links?
[18:30] <brousch> Text to speech. For when your lockjaw sets in
[18:30] <greg-g> heh
[18:43] <greg-g> also, yuck re twitter's new layout/theme
[18:53] <cmaloney> greg-g: New = ?
[18:53] <greg-g> like, today
[18:53] <greg-g> 30 minutes ago for me
[18:54] <cmaloney> ah
[18:54] <cmaloney> Yeah, looks like shit
[18:55] <cmaloney>  whatevs.
[19:34] <cmaloney> https://ting.com/blog/we-have-slashed-our-data-pricing/
[19:37] <brousch> The only thing I don't love about Ting so far is the crappy Sprint network
[19:39] <greg-g> yeah :/
[19:40] <mathomastech> I just switched from AT&T to Ting about 2 weeks ago. I've definitely noticed weaker signal most everywhere, but haven't run into no signal yet. Luckily, most of my life is covered by Wi-Fi.
[19:44] <greg-g> yeah, my phone is a slow tablet plus SMS machine
[20:03] <greg-g> dangit, I missed the pre-noon lunch window
[20:04] <greg-g> now everything is busy
[20:04] <greg-g> #firstworldproblem
[20:07] <rick_h_> greg-g: :P
[20:07] <brousch> What kind of crappy West Coast company do you work for that doesn't have catered lunch?
[20:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, Sprint is definitely dead-last as far as network
[20:07] <cmaloney> though I've noticed some improvement
[20:08] <MaskedDriver> cmaloney, I don't know what sprint you've been using
[20:08] <MaskedDriver> I work in downtown detroit, and I hit 100% dead zones all the time lol
[20:08] <cmaloney> MaskedDriver: I'm in Farmington so it's better
[20:08] <MaskedDriver> ah
[20:09] <cmaloney> But yeah, if I'm working on Detroit I'm buying a pay-as-you-go-Verizon phone
[20:09] <brousch> Mine is great in downtown GR as long as no big events are going on. But 1 mile outside of downtown and it's crap
[20:09] <cmaloney> as backup. :)
[20:09] <MaskedDriver> I've noticed some improvements in Clarkston, but nothing impressive
[20:09] <cmaloney> brousch: ugh
[20:10] <MaskedDriver> luckily for me, the Quicken Loans wifi reaches everywhere in downtown D, so I don't really have to worry about whether I have 4g/3g service
[20:11] <greg-g> .... what?!
[20:11] <MaskedDriver> ?
[20:11] <greg-g> Quicken Loans WiFi?
[20:11] <greg-g> is this some sponsored wifi thing?
[20:11] <MaskedDriver> no
[20:11] <MaskedDriver> it's for QL team members
[20:11] <greg-g> weird
[20:12] <MaskedDriver> you drop signal a little walking between buildings, but it's rare
[20:12] <greg-g> very weird
[20:12] <MaskedDriver> why is that weird?
[20:12] <greg-g> what is the need?
[20:12] <cmaloney> greg-g: You lived here. There's only Three companies in Downtown.
[20:12] <greg-g> how many quicken loans people are there in downtown Detroit?
[20:12] <cmaloney> Quicken Loans, GM, and Compuware. ;)
[20:12] <greg-g> oh
[20:12] <MaskedDriver> 12k?
[20:12] <greg-g> oooohhhh
[20:12] <greg-g> less weird
[20:12] <greg-g> :)
[20:12] <MaskedDriver> lol
[20:13] <MaskedDriver> we occupy and nearly 100% capacity 3 high-rises
[20:13] <brousch> Which one will become OCP?
[20:13] <MaskedDriver> Compuware building, chase tower(reanmed the Qube), and First National
[20:13] <greg-g> wow
[20:13] <MaskedDriver> OCP?
[20:14] <cmaloney> brousch: Robocop reference?
[20:14] <greg-g> probably
[20:14] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni_Consumer_Products_(RoboCop)#Omni_Consumer_Products
[20:14] <MaskedDriver> lol ah yeah
[20:14] <widox> although, Quicken only has a few floors of the Compuware building
[20:14] <MaskedDriver> yeah. I'm on the 9th floor of that
[20:15] <MaskedDriver> most IT is in here
[20:15] <cmaloney> I just hope they don't make the jump to Quicken Drones.
[20:15] <cmaloney> Because that would be bad.
[20:15] <MaskedDriver> lol
[20:15] <widox> don't move before signing up for a mortgage!
[20:15] <MaskedDriver> I actually just started with one of their companies, Quizzle, in December
[20:16] <cmaloney> Fo shizzle?
[20:17] <MaskedDriver> yeah
[20:17] <MaskedDriver> commute from Clarkston is rough (especially with the winter the way it was), but totally worth it