/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/02/04/#kubuntu-devel.txt

=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
valorieovidiu-florin: before translating, can we get the english text a bit better?02:46
valorie"Join the Kubuntu Users mailing list for a way to ask for help and exchange experiences with other Kubuntu users."02:47
valorievery clumsy02:47
jarkkothere are kubuntu ninja updates?03:03
ahoneybunhowdy valorie 03:47
soeehiho03:48
valorieheh, ahoneybun03:48
valoriecouldn't get into irc much yesterday at all03:49
valorieI guess what I did say never got through03:50
ahoneybunnot really 03:50
ahoneybunapachelogger, wants us to get the docs into a package, the english at least03:51
valorieyes, I saw that03:51
valorieI'll write to the docs folks in KDE03:51
valoriescarlett said she would talk to them, but I've not seen her around since she said that03:52
valorieoooo, I guess I'll write the list, there is still nobody in the channel03:52
ahoneybunthe ubuntu-doc people said that littlegirl has control of the kubuntu-doc lp page03:52
valoriehmmm, she's sort of disappeared as well03:53
ahoneybunyea03:53
valorieshe was going to take over when darkwing left, but that didn't take, I guess03:53
valorieI'm sure if you write her she'll turn it over03:53
ahoneybunsomeone in ubuntu-doc irc says it is best to remove the old docs in the page that ubuntu manages03:53
ahoneybunI got the email from someone in ubuntu-docs but it failed to send03:54
ahoneybunvalorie, I would very much thank you for sending a mail to the list about the docs package04:00
ahoneybunI'm going to bed04:00
valoriesweet dreams04:04
valoriedoing it right now04:04
jarkkowhen alpha 3 is scheduled?04:14
valorieaccording to OMGubuntu: 04:17
valorieBeta 1 – February 27th (for flavours)04:17
valorieFinal Beta – March 27th04:17
valorieRelease Candidate – April 10th04:17
valorieWith the final release scheduled for:04:17
valorieUbuntu 14.04 LTS – April 17th04:17
valoriethe wiki page doesn't open for me04:18
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jarkko_valorie:  i just booted with kubuntu ninja updates seem fine04:52
valoriev. cool -- please drop a note to kubuntu-devel about your experience05:01
valoriesince most people are in transit or asleep right now05:01
valorieand damn but freenode has been unreliable since the DDoS05:01
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apacheloggerbug 113228607:49
ubottubug 1132286 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Veromix plasmoid not working in Kubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113228607:49
apacheloggerpython oh this lovely python07:49
apacheloggerohoohohohoh python07:49
QuintasanGood morning08:07
apacheloggerTried to use kmail; failed to create SMTP job.08:10
apacheloggerwhat does that even mean :@08:10
apacheloggerQuintasan: yo08:10
apacheloggerQuintasan: go update your card on trello please08:11
Quintasanapachelogger: Sir, I did.08:11
apacheloggerpeculiar that I have no mail08:11
apacheloggerwell it isn't as I am using kmail and kmail isn't that good at receiving or sending mails08:12
Quintasanapachelogger: There is a metric boatload of images there under different licenses.08:12
apacheloggerwhich is funny considering it is a mail client08:12
QuintasanWhich made me go "WTF 08:12
QuintasanI'm so not doing that today"08:12
apacheloggeryou people all have the wrong attitude towards debian/copyright08:12
apacheloggerprobably all my fault08:12
apacheloggerwhat with being so hard on you kids08:13
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Quintasanapachelogger: Maybe I do but this is a serious case of PITA.08:16
apacheloggermaybe you just don't see how to make it a not-pita :P08:17
QuintasanAlso probably a good point but I don't see how many different files on different licenses are not a PITA08:17
apacheloggerCan't open desktop-ppc64el: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_germinate_metapackage line 78.08:17
apacheloggerbrintey is the bigger PITA I tell you08:18
apacheloggerwith copyright you just have to throw hard work at it and all will be good08:18
apacheloggerthen our supreme quality technology will go fufufufufufufufufufu piss off, not letting your version in08:18
apachelogger!find dh_germinate_metapackage trusty08:19
ubottuFile dh_germinate_metapackage found in germinate08:19
apacheloggerright08:19
QuintasanI'll try doing it today though I have to go and pester my prof about why I did not pass his exam08:20
QuintasanDespite it being exactly the same as year ago and me having the answers08:20
QuintasanAs 57 other people.08:20
apacheloggerOo08:20
apacheloggerthere's so much wrong with that statement08:21
Quintasanapachelogger: And you are trying to tell me that not even once you had exam questions before the actual exam?08:21
apacheloggeryes that's what I am telling you08:21
apacheloggeralthough I think the fact that it was the same exam is even more wrong08:22
QuintasanWell, the fun thing is that I know HOW to do them because I did them the day before.08:22
apacheloggerthat's a "don't give a f" on both ends08:22
Quintasanapachelogger: Well, he didn't change anything and I didn't entirely prepare for anything else08:23
apacheloggeryeah, what I said08:23
apacheloggeroh, eh Oo08:24
apacheloggerkubuntu-desktop is in proposed even though it builds more archtiectures than before08:24
QuintasanStill, not entriely sure what went wrong there. Even if he knows that we have the question should not be a basis to use Random.nextInt() to generate grades :P08:24
apacheloggerQuintasan: actually we had one of those sorts as well, there was a pool of 3 exam versions he'd give and then he'd simply fail random people with flimsy reasoning08:26
QuintasanProbably the same thing happened here.08:26
apacheloggerI think universities are many degrees of pointless in most of europe08:26
apacheloggermuch like kmail which still refuses to "create a SMTP job"08:26
Quintasanapachelogger: My main problem is  that I need to have a degree to find a job here08:27
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK: kubuntu-meta arm64/ppc might be in binary new08:27
apacheloggerholding up cd image oversize fixes08:27
QuintasanBecause your CV apparently looks OH SO MUCH better with a degree08:27
apacheloggeryou could always join the oldest profession there is08:27
QuintasanHeh.08:27
Quintasanapachelogger: Well, hopefully I can persuade him that mixing in Scala code in Java and asking someone if it's going to work is not a good idea for a question.08:29
apachelogger"it seems java is trying to eat your scala code, you might want to call the police"08:30
QuintasanIf anything there is still second attempt at the exam left at Friday.08:30
apachelogger!find mysqldump08:32
apacheloggerQuintasan: same questions? :/08:32
ubottuFile mysqldump found in bacula-common, mysql-client-5.5, mysql-testsuite-5.508:32
Quintasanapachelogger: From my information sources (people that are year older) - yes.08:33
QuintasanEXACTLY the same questions.08:33
apachelogger...08:34
apacheloggerdebian bug #61371808:36
ubottuDebian bug 613718 in kdepim-runtime "Remove akonaditray desktop file" [Wishlist,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/61371808:36
* apachelogger blinks08:36
apacheloggerdebfx: who is supposed to run it then?08:36
apacheloggerand more importantly why not discuss with upstream?08:36
RiddellScottK: no I've not been tracking Qt 5.2 other than poking Mirv occationally08:38
Riddellshadeslayer: debian added libhupnp-dev to kdelibs build conflicts, as far as I know it's mostly broken upstream08:39
allee_upnp09:07
MirvScottK: Riddell: everything is now building against Qt 5.2 (ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2), practically all unit tests pass. the final hurdle is passing all autopilot tests so that there wouldn't be regressions.09:13
Mirvit's unfortunate it's not yet in. this week some people are sprinting to get the remaining bugs identified and fixed, I'm wishing them luck (and helping when Qt packaging needs more patches or such)09:14
MirvI'll also separately build tomorrow's 5.2.1 and use that if it seems there are no regressions with that09:15
Mirvregarding Qt Declarative we're already using almost 5.2.109:15
Mirvsince V4 had a lot of remaining bugs in 5.2.009:15
Riddellthanks Mirv 09:24
apacheloggervalorie: I am wondering how the doc export works for translations10:19
apacheloggerdo we have to do the export separately for each translation?10:19
apacheloggerRiddell: am I on the wrong branch or is the casper bzr branch outdated?10:21
apacheloggerah, nevermind, found it10:21
apacheloggerI think10:21
apacheloggerPackaging branch status: OUT-OF-DATE10:22
apacheloggerhah10:22
apacheloggerRiddell: you didn't apparently :P10:22
apacheloggerPackaging branch status: CURRENT10:27
apacheloggerle fixed10:27
MirvRiddell: how about the adding of ps-jenkins to ~kubuntu-packagers?10:27
RiddellMirv: yes sorry, onto it10:30
Mirvthanks again10:30
Riddellvoila10:32
Riddellapachelogger: I didn't what?10:38
* Riddell adds testing shadeslayer's driver manager and reviewing apachelogger's API to the todo list of the day10:38
Riddellbut first, the beast that is calligra10:38
apacheloggerRiddell: push to casper bzr10:50
BluesKajHiyas all11:06
shadeslayerRiddell: nope, I didn't see it in debian last night11:14
Riddellshadeslayer: see what?11:28
sneleMuon Discover seems to be broken on 14.04 (clean install of yesterdays daily)11:49
sneleit shows no apps 11:50
snelehttp://www.dodaj.rs/f/1Q/TZ/43Hky01w/snapshot5.png11:50
snelehttp://www.dodaj.rs/f/39/2z/20xpTPT8/snapshot6.png11:50
snelehttp://www.dodaj.rs/f/l/jS/4D4HfRYO/snapshot7.png11:50
apacheloggersnele: does muon?11:51
snelemuon package manager works well11:51
apacheloggerpeculiar11:51
apacheloggersnele: is app-install-data installed?11:52
apacheloggerdoes this help? sudo update-apt-xapian-index11:52
sneleapachelogger: app-install-data is installed11:53
sneleapachelogger: sudo update-apt-xapian-index doesn't help11:54
sneleit says it is up to date11:54
ghostcubeyep same thing here11:55
* apachelogger checks if today's ISO install worked11:57
apacheloggeralso happens on a new install11:59
apacheloggerfancy11:59
Peace-mmm guys why i can't do this ? dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate11:59
apacheloggersnele, ghostcube: which packages were updated yesterday?11:59
Peace-i got this message on kubuntu 11:59
Peace-Error org.freedesktop.UPower.GeneralError: not authorized11:59
Peace-for hibernate instead with susped no problems12:00
Peace-:s12:00
apacheloggerbecause logind manages permissions12:00
ghostcubeapachelogger: will check apt log12:00
Peace-apachelogger: but it's a bit strange that i can do suspend without problems instead12:00
sneleapachelogger: ghostcube: how to check apt log? :)12:00
apacheloggerPeace-: no it's not, AFAIK the way hibernation is disabled is through simply retracting permissions for it12:01
Riddellshadeslayer: have you asked your resident solid maintainer on his views on using hupnp?12:01
apacheloggersnele: /var/log/apt12:02
Peace-apachelogger: thank you for answer :D it sucks :P12:02
ghostcubeapachelogger: hmm i got update from 01.02.2014 nothing special... and todays seem the same12:03
ghostcubewhat are you looking for?12:03
apacheloggerPeace-: well, tell #ubuntu-devel12:03
apacheloggerghostcube: *what* was updated12:03
Peace-apachelogger: hahaha thank you but :D i guess i will not 12:03
ghostcubeapachelogger: will paste it moment12:03
apacheloggermaybe muon 2.1.3 broke it12:04
apacheloggerthough I did not see any problems with it on saucy12:04
apacheloggerit has the data12:05
apacheloggerit just can't list anything for some reason12:05
* apachelogger purges and tries 12:07
apacheloggeroh boy12:08
apacheloggerghostcube, snele: I think it's muon 2.1.312:08
ghostcubeok12:08
ghostcubehttp://pastie.org/869756212:09
ghostcubeqrc:/qml/FeaturedModel.qml:24: SyntaxError: Unable to parse JSON string12:11
ghostcubeif i start muon in terminal12:11
shadeslayerRiddell: I'll ask him over lunch12:12
ghostcubeapachelogger: i post you the konsole text12:12
shadeslayerRiddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=5274166f57b9133cdfeea476161ab7ea96c6a692;hb=HEAD#l6112:12
shadeslayerRiddell: no build conflicts on hupnp here too http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=15c899eb22a7cbf73d4f5fb6bc75c630d7d0c239;hb=refs/heads/kde4.11#l2312:13
ghostcubeapachelogger: http://pastie.org/869757112:14
apacheloggerghostcube: nothing useful ^^ already looked at it in my VM12:14
ghostcubehmm ok anything else i can tell you12:14
shadeslayer:(12:14
shadeslayerhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55247264/kubuntu.pdf12:14
jussiits awesome to see things users send to our ML being worked on so quickly. you guys rock :)12:14
shadeslayerhas old logo12:14
sneleapachelogger: ghostcube: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/127612912:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1276129 in muon (Ubuntu) "Muon Discover doesn't work well on 14.04" [Undecided,New]12:15
snelemaybe title should be edited ;)12:15
ghostcubeapachelogger: opened Dienstprogramme12:20
ghostcubefile:///usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/TabBar.qml:161:9: QML QDeclarativeItem_QML_45: Bei der für die Eigenschaft âÂÂwidthâ angegebenen Bindung wurde eine Endlosschleife festgestellt12:20
ghostcube  is this anything of interest?12:20
apacheloggerno12:20
ghostcubedamn...12:20
apacheloggersnele: ghostcube: we already have a fix12:20
ghostcubeoh ok12:20
ghostcubethen i can stop strace lol12:20
apachelogger  Uploading muon_2.1.3-0ubuntu3_source.changes: done.12:21
apacheloggerSuccessfully uploaded packages.12:21
apacheloggerghostcube, snele: builders are still busy, so that wont arrive until tomorrow or possibly even the day after12:22
ghostcubeok will check again12:22
apacheloggerthanks for pointing out the bug12:22
apacheloggerScottK: bug 1274626 has gotten a new upload to fix a regression12:26
ubottubug 1274626 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "SRU Muon 2.1.3" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127462612:26
apacheloggerRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvkbd/+bug/127614013:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1276140 in kvkbd (Ubuntu) "please remove kvkbd binary and source from archive" [Low,Triaged]13:01
apacheloggerRiddell: where does one file syadmin tickets?13:04
apacheloggerI seem to have forgotten all about it ^^13:04
Riddellapachelogger: sysadmin or archive admin?13:11
Riddellapachelogger: for that bug subscribe ubuntu-archive I think13:11
Riddellbut mostly poke me13:11
apacheloggerRiddell: canonical sysadmins13:11
apacheloggerwww.kubuntu.com doesn't forward to .org13:12
Riddelle-mail rt@ubuntu.com13:13
apacheloggersent13:16
* apachelogger doesn't wanna compile policies on the wiki :'<13:16
apacheloggermoinmoin is so terribad13:16
Riddellcompile policies?13:17
apacheloggermake a page with all our present policies13:17
apacheloggerbug triage, SC SRUs, coding style13:17
apacheloggerthere was a fourth, but I seem to have forgotten it already ^^13:17
apacheloggerah, patch policy13:18
apacheloggerright now that stuff is all over the place and not being updated and there simply is no point of reference13:18
Riddellhow to join teams would be good too13:23
Riddellwhen can you get into ~kubuntu-packager and ~kubuntu-ppa I always forget13:23
apacheloggerah13:23
apacheloggeryeah13:23
apacheloggerRiddell: https://trello.com/c/dW1BTbUG if you think of anything else just add it13:26
=== popey_ is now known as popey
apachelogger"We will write a plasma applet to distribute on our beta installs which will ask questions for structured feedback on areas where we often revieve little feedback, notably translations and bluetooth. This should put its responses in a database over http which can them be easily queried so we can see where people are having problems. It should also prompt users to join the ISO testing team if they want to help check their problems in future 13:48
apacheloggerreleases. "13:48
apacheloggerI do wonder if we shoudl bring back something like this?13:49
ovidiu-florinRiddell: I moved the "Look into UFW GUIs" card in To Do because I10n still needs looking into13:50
apacheloggeroh13:50
apacheloggerthat's why I started my VM again13:50
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: the outlook is not so good13:52
* apachelogger grabs source13:52
apacheloggerovidiu-florin: where did you get the tarball from?13:52
apacheloggerno translations present13:54
Riddellovidiu-florin: but the rest is all in progress so that card in general should be in progress13:55
apacheloggercommented13:55
apacheloggerneeds string freeze and tarball rollign from git13:55
apacheloggersupposedly the present tar is from kde-apps13:55
apacheloggerwhich would explain why there is no localization13:55
Riddellovidiu-florin: have you asked upstream to do that?14:05
apacheloggerwe are upstream14:10
Riddellfor ufw kde?14:12
apacheloggeryes14:15
apacheloggerupstream upstream didn't want to be so much upstream anymore14:15
shadeslayeragateau: ping14:22
agateaushadeslayer: pong14:23
shadeslayeragateau: my KMessageWidget seems to disappear if you hit the 'close' button14:23
shadeslayeras in, if I call show on it later on, nothing happens14:23
shadeslayeris there a way to avoid this?14:24
agateaushadeslayer: have you tried calling animatedShow() instead?14:24
shadeslayernope14:25
agateauShould fix the problem I think14:25
shadeslayeragateau: yep14:25
shadeslayerI thought animated show was called when the system allowed that14:26
shadeslayerif not, it fell back to regular14:26
shadeslayer*to the regular showing of a widget without animations14:26
agateauno, you should always use animatedShow() and depending on the system settings it will be animated or plain-old show14:27
shadeslayeroh14:27
shadeslayeragateau: thx14:35
agateauyou're welcome14:35
* apachelogger conducts a blame investigation14:36
apachelogger309 rohanga | usr/share/applications/kde4/contactthemeeditor.desktop14:37
apacheloggershadeslayer: please take more care where you stuff new desktop files14:37
apacheloggerkdepim r309 introduces an application that we do not want on the ISO to kaddressbook14:37
shadeslayerI asked in kdepim and they said that it was correct to put it in kaddressbook14:38
shadeslayeras a matter of fact, they said that it goes together with it14:38
* apachelogger sighs14:39
apachelogger<- this is where the workspace mission is                                                                                                                                                                             this is what kdepim is doing ->14:39
apacheloggershadeslayer, Riddell: we now have headerthemeditor (primarily kmail) and contactthemeditor (primarily kaddressbook) ... thoughts on throwing them together into kdepim-themeeditors?14:40
shadeslayerthat's what I wanted to do in the first place14:40
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/BQyFQrE.png14:41
apacheloggerI totally see myself using that lots14:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: wanted to do that for headerthemeeditor already, alas seemed silly for just one ^^14:42
kfunkapachelogger: wtf is that? :P15:18
apacheloggerkfunk: it's a contactthemeeditor is it not obvious: /15:20
kfunklet me rephrase: *why* the fuck?15:20
kfunk:P15:20
apacheloggerwell, I dunno15:21
apacheloggerwhy was the mboximporter desktop file visible in 4.12.015:21
apacheloggerkfunk: let me revise my answer ... 42.15:22
* apachelogger falls off chair and scuttles off15:22
kfunkheh15:23
apacheloggershadeslayer: why didn't you call kde-developer kde-sdk :'<15:24
apacheloggeragateau: are you going to do some ubiquity fondling this cycle?15:25
shadeslayerIt  wasn't ever suggested? The suggestion was only for the name in the desktop file15:25
agateauapachelogger: I actually have a merge request waiting15:26
apacheloggershadeslayer: other than the comment I made on the card you mean? :P15:26
agateauapachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-no-fullscreen/+merge/20310515:27
apacheloggeragateau: https://trello.com/c/Mw5FBYpI adding a pattern to the resize partition painting might be nice ;)15:27
apacheloggerRiddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-no-fullscreen/+merge/203105 plz be reviewing changes :P15:28
Riddelloh jings yes sorry15:28
agateauapachelogger: I can look into it if I find some time15:29
apacheloggeragateau: would be cool, probably would take me longer as I have not used qpainter ever15:29
apacheloggerin fact I only ever worked around qpainter because it was rubbish for painting video frames ^^15:30
apacheloggerRiddell: should we kick kppp off the ISO?15:37
Riddellapachelogger: yeah I think so15:38
* apachelogger creates card15:39
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=== Guest63634 is now known as shadeslayer_
apacheloggerRiddell: oh, and is something from kubuntu-meta in the binary new queue?15:42
apacheloggerit doesn't migrate from proposed but there are no problems according to the excuses file15:42
apacheloggerhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html15:42
shadeslayer_Riddell: plz reject kde-developer from new15:43
shadeslayer_in case you haven't already15:43
apacheloggeroh oh15:44
Riddellmeta-kde  is in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue15:44
apacheloggerhm15:44
apacheloggerwhy does meta not migrate then 15:44
apacheloggerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta15:44
shadeslayer_Riddell: plz reject kde-developer15:44
apacheloggermost peculiar15:44
apacheloggerit builds on all architectures etc.15:44
shadeslayer_apachelogger wants to call it kde-sdk15:44
apacheloggerwell15:44
apacheloggerI just asked why not kde-sdk :P15:44
apacheloggeror kde-developer-sdk15:44
apacheloggermakes it more discoverable via apt-cache search IMO15:45
shadeslayer_and I don't have a reason for it not being called kde-sdk15:45
Riddellapachelogger: because it was stuck in New and I just rejected it15:45
shadeslayer_kde-developer-sdk is way too long15:45
apacheloggerRiddell: that's meta-kde15:45
apacheloggerRiddell: I am talking about kubuntu-meta15:45
shadeslayer_Riddell: can I upload with the same version?15:46
shadeslayer_or do I have to make a new one15:46
apacheloggershadeslayer_: yes15:46
apacheloggersince it was rejected the version never existed 15:46
shadeslayer_cool15:46
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, kubuntu-full not happy on arm64 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt15:46
apacheloggeror15:46
Riddellshadeslayer_: no15:46
apacheloggershadeslayer_: new version15:46
Riddellshadeslayer_: the source still exists15:46
apacheloggershadeslayer_: only wasin binary new, not source new ^^15:46
shadeslayer_ok15:46
shadeslayer_mhmm15:46
apacheloggerRiddell: oh the output, my eyes15:47
apacheloggerno clue how ot read that ^^15:47
Riddellapachelogger: no it's hard to read, but it says that it can't install on arm6415:47
apacheloggerRiddell: does it say why?15:47
Riddellarmhf: karbon, kubuntu-full15:48
apacheloggerah15:48
Riddellapachelogger: so maybe it doesn't like karbon, which may get fixed when I finally upload this calligra compile15:48
shadeslayer_silly arches15:48
Riddellapachelogger: any idea why kf5 khtml doesn't compile https://launchpadlibrarian.net/164802227/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.khtml_4.95.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?15:49
apacheloggerRiddell: going to put down a card then to check again15:49
Riddellapachelogger: it complains about phonon HTMLVideoElement.h:29:32: fatal error: phonon/mediaobject.h: No such file or directory15:49
Riddellbut it does -I/usr/include/phonon4qt515:49
Riddellwhich does contain phonon/mediaobject.h:15:49
* apachelogger squints15:50
shadeslayer_ohohoh15:50
shadeslayer_apachelogger: we have a kdesdk as well15:50
shadeslayer_apachelogger: phonon is stuck in proposed too I think15:50
apacheloggeryeah15:50
apacheloggerRiddell: phonon is stuck because the new package doesn't build on the excotic architectures because qt5 doesn't build on the excotic architectures15:50
shadeslayer_hurray for weird arch's we don't care about \o/15:50
apacheloggeror didn't build there anyway15:50
apacheloggerRiddell: https://trello.com/c/7YwMMClC15:51
shadeslayer_yep15:51
Riddellnah I put a version in kubuntu-ppa/experimental15:51
shadeslayer_apachelogger: still want to call it kdesdk?15:51
shadeslayer_er15:51
shadeslayer_kde-sdk15:51
RiddellI wouldn't, too confusing15:51
RiddellI agree on kde-developer-sdk15:52
shadeslayer_not etoolong?15:52
apacheloggerthat's 3 tabs15:52
apacheloggeror two maybe15:52
shadeslayer_*shrug* ok15:52
apacheloggerRiddell: packaging bugged for phonon15:54
apacheloggerRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6873688/15:54
apacheloggernote how it places stuff in directories for some reason15:54
Riddellapachelogger: damn, well spotted15:55
shadeslayer_Riddell: uploaded new meta-kde15:56
apachelogger"www.kubuntu.com now redirects to www.kubuntu.org" yay16:00
apacheloggerovidiu-florin, Riddell: did I already say something about how we need a migratino plan for moving kubuntu.org elsewhere? and talk to sysadmins about that entire thing etc16:01
apacheloggerlike how would that work with mail addresses and such16:01
apachelogger<- entirely doesn't know no nothing about domain stuff16:01
Riddellapachelogger: the MX can still point to canonical, no need to change mail16:02
Riddelljust repoint the A record to our server16:02
apacheloggerI have these words, before, I do not recall what they mean but I guess it makes sense :)16:02
apacheloggeranyway16:03
Riddellovidiu-florin: I am thinking that if we redo the website we should use it as a chance to get our social networking story sorted, posting news to the site should also post it to accounts on twitter, facebook and g+16:03
apacheloggerRiddell, ovidiu-florin: long story short, I think someone should create a board for the migration16:03
Riddellapachelogger: with domain names e-mail is unrelated to web :)16:03
apacheloggerfancy16:03
apacheloggerRiddell: regarding foward posts, I think wordpress can take care of that easily16:04
Riddellright16:04
apacheloggerat least on wordpress.com I have the option to automagically post to twitter and facebook16:04
* apachelogger notes that shadeslayer is very disconnecty today16:05
apacheloggerjolly numbers: for 14.04 37 cards are in todo, 15 are being worked on, 33 have been finished, 6 postponed to +1, 8 abandoned16:09
apacheloggernice progress I'd say16:09
evilshadeslayerRiddell: stuff should start hitting binary new soon16:09
evilshadeslayerdidn't it always?16:09
evilshadeslayeraaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh16:10
evilshadeslayerbuildd's don't have source lists16:10
evilshadeslayercausing kde-developer-sdk to not depend on so much stuff ...16:10
* evilshadeslayer throws keyboards16:10
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: how does one update KDE l10n packages?16:10
apacheloggerRiddell, yofel_, ScottK, evilshadeslayer, valorie: anyone desire for another mumble call before 14.04?16:10
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: core is being weird16:10
evilshadeslayercuz https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide is non existent16:10
evilshadeslayeraha it's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/L10nOperatorGuide16:10
apacheloggersomeone moved it16:10
apacheloggerevilshadeslayer: oh, sec16:11
apacheloggerhm16:11
apacheloggerI thought I had a change16:11
apacheloggerevilshadeslayer: does the branch have a recent commit from me?16:11
apacheloggeroh, now I remember16:13
apacheloggerlanguage-pack somehow ties into kde-l10n-common for some weird reason16:13
apacheloggerevilshadeslayer: nevermind, move along, the change is in the other branch16:13
Riddellapachelogger: yes if someone organises it, otherwise not fussed16:13
evilshadeslayer:)16:14
Mamarokapachelogger: about muon-discover: if you go by the bug count we should never install plasma or kde pim... May I suggest Amarok?16:14
apacheloggerMamarok: bug count in relation to exposure and size16:18
apacheloggere.g. phonon also has too many bugs considering the size IMO16:18
* evilshadeslayer is up for it if we have anything to discuss16:19
apacheloggerMamarok: mh, please send a mail ... I am not sure we want to feature software that is already installed, no one made a case in either direction so far, you could totally get a discussion started on that ^^16:19
* evilshadeslayer moves to pykde4 while l10n is building16:20
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: you might want to pull driver manager16:20
apacheloggerthat is to say: I could totally be convinced to feature softwar that is installed, after all the app is called discover ... OTOH I also could be convineced not to feature installed software because it adds little value for the user who already knows about it16:20
apacheloggerevilshadeslayer: and then?16:20
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: thoughts on what to do with kde-developer-sdk then?16:21
* evilshadeslayer is hungry again16:21
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: build and install?16:21
evilshadeslayerto make sure everything is exactly the same as before the refactor16:21
evilshadeslayerand to make sure you don't hit obvious bugs16:21
apacheloggerevilshadeslayer: upload to archvie already then I'll tell you what is broken :P16:21
evilshadeslayerhe16:21
evilshadeslayerheh16:21
Mamarokevilshadeslayer: when did you turn evil?16:22
apacheloggergetting into QA mindset for one application is super exhausting, so I'd rather do it along with some other apps16:22
evilshadeslayerMamarok: ever since we started supported exotic architechtures16:22
Mamarokstarted supported?16:22
evilshadeslayer*supporting16:23
Mamarokyxou back in Spain yet?16:23
evilshadeslayeryep16:23
Mamarokyou*16:23
Mamarokcool16:23
apacheloggerwe always supported excotic architectures FWIW :P16:23
* Mamarok was goig to say the same16:23
apacheloggerin fact we used to support even more terrible ones ^^16:23
Mamarokgoing*16:23
apacheloggergreetins from hppa 16:23
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: madness16:24
* apachelogger never quite figured out what sort of device used hppa cpus16:24
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: the same way we support LTS releases ;)16:24
apacheloggerwell, we don't explicitly support arm64 or ppc either16:24
apacheloggerthe new QA tech just makes them more annoying because they can block stuff for no good reason16:25
evilshadeslayer*nod*16:25
apacheloggerin terms of actual supportedness we only ever focused on i386 and amd64 and arm, and latter didn't quite take off as much as I had hoped so that was quite a bit of wasted time I guess16:26
apacheloggeranywho16:26
* apachelogger fiddles a todo for tomorrow and moves on to other stuff16:27
apacheloggerevilshadeslayer: if you have policy additions/requests whatever https://trello.com/c/dW1BTbUG16:28
apacheloggergoing to try to find motivation for writing/reorganizing this stuff tomorrow16:29
ovidiu-florinapachelogger Riddell I was away for a while. 16:34
ovidiu-florinRegarding cross posting, if the Wordpress CMS does not do that by default, there should be a plugin that can do that.16:34
ovidiu-florinI'll test that on my blog.16:35
ovidiu-florinany whay, I strongly insist on the necesity of the access to a webserver from the wordpress site.16:35
ovidiu-florinit can be a relay to a different one16:36
ovidiu-florinmaybe pointed to an address like: website@kubuntu.org16:36
ovidiu-florinthis is necessary so that the CMS can send notifications to the admins and editors.16:36
Riddellovidiu-florin: I don't follow, access to a web server?16:37
ovidiu-florinnotifications include: warnings, updates available, new posts, comment moderation needed, etc.16:38
ovidiu-florinsorry, mail server, not webserver16:38
evilshadeslayerapachelogger: mmm okay16:38
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Riddellovidiu-florin: mm, well yes we can do that, I've not set up a mail server in a while, any idea what the best software is these days?16:39
Riddellwho won the postfix vs exim war?16:40
ovidiu-florinwhat is exim?16:40
Riddellan alternative to postfix :)16:40
ovidiu-florinI got that16:40
ovidiu-florinI answered with a question16:40
Riddelldebian defaulted to exim4 at some point and defaulted to postfix at others16:40
ovidiu-florinI've worked a bit with mail servers... never heard of exim16:41
Riddelllet's try postfix then :)16:41
ovidiu-florinI've heard of "other" mail servers, but postfix, was way to popular16:41
Riddellhi sgclark 16:44
Riddellhi Affondo 16:45
sgclarkhello16:46
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shadeslayerhm so upgrade to KDE SC 4.12.2 went fine17:38
shadeslayerbut PW is crashing17:38
RiddellPW?17:40
shadeslayerplasma workspaces?17:40
shadeslayeror well, plasma desktop17:40
shadeslayerI've uploaded kde-workspace 4.11.617:40
shadeslayerto build against KDE SC 4.12.217:41
shadeslayer*fingers crossed*17:41
* Riddell already has his fingers crossed for calligra to build17:45
geniiI noticed lots of updates today. So far nothing broke here :)17:46
BluesKajlooks ok here as well 18:02
BluesKajexcept smb access suddenly stopped working18:03
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shadeslayerapachelogger: got a moment?18:09
Riddellhttp://solydxk.com/  another KDE debian distro, wonder what it does that the rest don't18:19
shadeslayer:)18:19
Riddellah it's Linux Mint Debian Edition KDE which was dropped, not Linux Mint KDE18:19
Riddellwell good to know that the elegantly named solydxk fills that important gap in the market18:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: Release blocked till 1273729 is fixed18:26
Riddellbug 127372918:27
ubottubug 1273729 in Kubuntu Driver Manager "Reports QApt frontend capabilities which it doesn't have" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127372918:27
Riddellnaughty Kubuntu Driver Manager18:27
shadeslayer:)18:28
shadeslayerRiddell: it's actually pretty decent now18:28
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Riddellshadeslayer: kcmshell4 kcm-drivermanager  doesn't seem to do anything18:37
shadeslayerRiddell: kcm_driver_manager18:41
shadeslayermake sure you atleast have 0.0+git20140204+r18~630360f+218:42
shadeslayerhm, no jte here18:42
Riddellno, he found a girlfriend :(18:43
shadeslayerwell, he's replying on bug reports18:44
Riddellshadeslayer: you should fix Exec in kcm_driver_manager.desktop18:44
Riddellwhy Icon=office-chart-area-focus-peak-node18:44
Riddell?18:44
Riddelloh taken from whoopsy kcm?18:45
shadeslayerRiddell: should be fixed18:45
shadeslayeryep18:45
Riddelloh I have an old one 0.0+git20140129+r14~f914617+2~ubuntu14.04.118:45
shadeslayerhttp://imgur.com/IRUVABY18:46
Riddellhmm, no change in 0.0+git20140204+r18~630360f+2~ubuntu14.04.118:47
Riddelldid you make fixes compared to that?18:47
Riddellshadeslayer: well I run it and it's a nice empty kc module18:48
Riddellshadeslayer: I hope that means my computer has perfect freedom in its hardware but it would be nice to have a label saying so18:49
shadeslayernot mahor ones18:49
shadeslayer*major18:49
shadeslayerRiddell: ah yes, okay18:49
shadeslayerplz file bug18:49
shadeslayerso that I don't forget18:49
Riddellguess that's all the testing I can do on this computer, I'll try the windows machine when I get to use it next18:52
shadeslayercool18:53
Riddellsgclark: I put KF5 packaging in bzr, see post to kubuntu-devel mailing list18:59
sgclarkRiddell: sorry have computer problems. will as soon as I can19:06
shadeslayerRiddell: please QA 4.12.2 for trusty19:10
shadeslayerRiddell: fixed your bug as well btw19:10
Riddellshadeslayer: you put an image of RMS on kubuntu-driver-manager?19:11
shadeslayerheh no19:12
shadeslayerboring old label19:12
Riddellshame19:13
* Riddell cries as khtml fails19:16
Peace-poor Riddell 19:20
Peace-:P19:20
* Peace- uses konqueror for his bank19:21
Riddellone last upload to kf5!19:21
* Riddell wanders home19:27
Quintasanapachelogger: top lols19:36
Quintasan"well, you go those with pattern matching wrong"19:36
Quintasan"Well, but Sir, I blatantly put down this code into the REPL and it spat out 'true, false, true'."19:37
Quintasan"Well, it's wrong."19:37
Quintasanshadeslayer: ^ best exam ever.19:37
QuintasanHURR DURR19:38
shadeslayerIsn't it RHEL19:38
shadeslayerand not REPL19:38
shadeslayerunless you mean something else19:39
Quintasanshadeslayer: It's Scala REPL if I'm not mistaken.19:40
shadeslayerah nvm19:40
QuintasanAnyways, I blatantly copypasted all six answers to check if I didn't make any mistake there. I did not, still no points19:40
Quintasanlol19:40
shadeslayerI thought you wanted to say RedHat EnterPrise Linux19:40
QuintasanI have to retake this magic on Friday19:41
QuintasanBloody hell this is so frustrating.19:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: so I suck at data structures and have come up with this shitty solution of emitting changed/unchanged http://paste.kde.org/p2e8d971c19:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: please advise on better solution19:43
shadeslayerQuintasan: well, atleast you didn't have to wait a year to retake it19:44
shadeslayerat my uni you had to wait for a year :/19:44
Quintasanshadeslayer: Well, there is a second attempt that you get19:48
QuintasanIf I fail that then I have to wait a year.19:48
shadeslayerQuintasan: you can't appeal ?19:50
shadeslayerI mean your code ran fine did it not19:50
Quintasanshadeslayer: no no, the question was about pattern matching19:51
Quintasanie. he gave you a function that uses pattern matching19:51
Quintasanand there were answers from a) to f) from which you were supposed to select the right ones19:51
Quintasanthe functions yielded true if the argument matched the pattern and false if it didn't19:52
shadeslayerand you put it down in the computer and then ticked off the answers and your examiner said the computer was wrong?19:53
Quintasanmore or less, I put it down in the computer when I got back home19:53
shadeslayermhmm19:53
Quintasanthen today he had his office hours so I went to ask him what the hell was wrong19:53
QuintasanWHY didn't I bring my damn pc with me is another thing19:54
QuintasanWell, anyways, he apparently gives the exactly same test on the second attempt so I SHOULD be able to pass it.19:54
jarkko_there are new packages, but why fglrx fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-dev are included?19:55
shadeslayerQuintasan: heh19:55
Riddellyofel_: I've got a nexus 10 from shadeslayer, do you want it?19:55
jarkko_i am not using any ppa for amd drivers19:55
shadeslayerRiddell: uhhh ... jussi expressed interest in it19:55
shadeslayerapparently he has access to magic19:56
Riddelloh jussi, I knew it began with a y, just forgot that eastern european pronounciation for j19:56
shadeslayer:D19:56
Quintasankek19:58
shadeslayerRiddell: can you please QA 4.12.2 from ninjas?19:59
shadeslayerplasma-desktop crashes for me19:59
Riddellshadeslayer: installing20:00
shadeslayerah ok, something weird with milou20:06
* shadeslayer starts backporting20:07
sneleapachelogger: I can confirm that Muon Discover works now :)20:15
sneleapachelogger: I have also noticied that muon updater never pops up notification in systray about available updates20:16
sneleeven if you manualy check for updates20:17
sneleand when you start it, it starts with wierd screen http://www.dodaj.rs/?3v/sb/428jJBqU/snapshot8.png20:17
jussiinteresting news about Nvidia opening a mobile driver... http://linuxgizmos.com/nvidia-opens-tegra-k1-driver-wins-torvalds-thumbs-up/20:23
shadeslayerthat is such a bad picture of Torvalds ....20:24
jussiRiddell: if there is someone who thinks they can do more with the tablet than me, feel free to pass it to them. I am not, and will not be a developer, I just have access to several people with an interest and I have an interest, so we can _try_ get things working.  20:24
Riddelljussi: send me a postal address and I'll post it off20:28
Riddelldavmor2: ping, what's your postal address?  I have a birthday present for Sue20:48
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Riddellsgclark: all of KF5 compiled ༒21:17
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sgclarkRiddell: thank you, I will be of more help tomorrow, sorry21:25
Riddellshadeslayer: 4.12.2 good for me on trusty22:18
shadeslayerawesome22:18
shadeslayerRiddell: once I upload to trusty, I'll upload 4.12.2 for saucy/precise to staging22:19
shadeslayerninjas has no space22:19
mamarleyWait, 4.12.2?  Where is that?  I don't see it in the PPA.22:22
Riddellit's in our secret ninjas PPA22:28
RiddellI can give you the details if you want to become a tester22:28
Riddell"[ubuntu/trusty] calligra 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu4 (Accepted)"  ༒23:50
* genii makes more coffee23:50
valorieRiddell: what is that symbol? ༒23:53
valorieit changes the spacing of lines in my konvi display23:54
mamarleyRiddell: That sounds cool!  How do I sign up?23:54
tsimpsonvalorie: TIBETAN MARK RGYA GRAM SHAD (U+0F12)23:55
* valorie wikipedias23:56
valorieRiddell: are you becoming buddhist?23:56
valorieit's a beautiful mark23:56
valorieexcellent! http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2013/04/15/so-you-want-to-be-a-summer-of-code-student/23:59

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