[02:46] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: before translating, can we get the english text a bit better?
[02:47] <valorie> "Join the Kubuntu Users mailing list for a way to ask for help and exchange experiences with other Kubuntu users."
[02:47] <valorie> very clumsy
[03:03] <jarkko> there are kubuntu ninja updates?
[03:47] <ahoneybun> howdy valorie 
[03:48] <soee> hiho
[03:48] <valorie> heh, ahoneybun
[03:49] <valorie> couldn't get into irc much yesterday at all
[03:50] <valorie> I guess what I did say never got through
[03:50] <ahoneybun> not really 
[03:51] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, wants us to get the docs into a package, the english at least
[03:51] <valorie> yes, I saw that
[03:51] <valorie> I'll write to the docs folks in KDE
[03:52] <valorie> scarlett said she would talk to them, but I've not seen her around since she said that
[03:52] <valorie> oooo, I guess I'll write the list, there is still nobody in the channel
[03:52] <ahoneybun> the ubuntu-doc people said that littlegirl has control of the kubuntu-doc lp page
[03:53] <valorie> hmmm, she's sort of disappeared as well
[03:53] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:53] <valorie> she was going to take over when darkwing left, but that didn't take, I guess
[03:53] <valorie> I'm sure if you write her she'll turn it over
[03:53] <ahoneybun> someone in ubuntu-doc irc says it is best to remove the old docs in the page that ubuntu manages
[03:54] <ahoneybun> I got the email from someone in ubuntu-docs but it failed to send
[04:00] <ahoneybun> valorie, I would very much thank you for sending a mail to the list about the docs package
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I'm going to bed
[04:04] <valorie> sweet dreams
[04:04] <valorie> doing it right now
[04:14] <jarkko> when alpha 3 is scheduled?
[04:17] <valorie> according to OMGubuntu: 
[04:17] <valorie> Beta 1 – February 27th (for flavours)
[04:17] <valorie> Final Beta – March 27th
[04:17] <valorie> Release Candidate – April 10th
[04:17] <valorie> With the final release scheduled for:
[04:17] <valorie> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS – April 17th
[04:18] <valorie> the wiki page doesn't open for me
[04:52] <jarkko_> valorie:  i just booted with kubuntu ninja updates seem fine
[05:01] <valorie> v. cool -- please drop a note to kubuntu-devel about your experience
[05:01] <valorie> since most people are in transit or asleep right now
[05:01] <valorie> and damn but freenode has been unreliable since the DDoS
[07:49] <apachelogger> bug 1132286
[07:49] <apachelogger> python oh this lovely python
[07:49] <apachelogger> ohoohohohoh python
[08:07] <Quintasan> Good morning
[08:10] <apachelogger> Tried to use kmail; failed to create SMTP job.
[08:10] <apachelogger> what does that even mean :@
[08:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yo
[08:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go update your card on trello please
[08:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Sir, I did.
[08:11] <apachelogger> peculiar that I have no mail
[08:12] <apachelogger> well it isn't as I am using kmail and kmail isn't that good at receiving or sending mails
[08:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: There is a metric boatload of images there under different licenses.
[08:12] <apachelogger> which is funny considering it is a mail client
[08:12] <Quintasan> Which made me go "WTF 
[08:12] <Quintasan> I'm so not doing that today"
[08:12] <apachelogger> you people all have the wrong attitude towards debian/copyright
[08:12] <apachelogger> probably all my fault
[08:13] <apachelogger> what with being so hard on you kids
[08:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Maybe I do but this is a serious case of PITA.
[08:17] <apachelogger> maybe you just don't see how to make it a not-pita :P
[08:17] <Quintasan> Also probably a good point but I don't see how many different files on different licenses are not a PITA
[08:17] <apachelogger> Can't open desktop-ppc64el: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_germinate_metapackage line 78.
[08:18] <apachelogger> brintey is the bigger PITA I tell you
[08:18] <apachelogger> with copyright you just have to throw hard work at it and all will be good
[08:18] <apachelogger> then our supreme quality technology will go fufufufufufufufufufu piss off, not letting your version in
[08:19] <apachelogger> !find dh_germinate_metapackage trusty
[08:19] <apachelogger> right
[08:20] <Quintasan> I'll try doing it today though I have to go and pester my prof about why I did not pass his exam
[08:20] <Quintasan> Despite it being exactly the same as year ago and me having the answers
[08:20] <Quintasan> As 57 other people.
[08:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:21] <apachelogger> there's so much wrong with that statement
[08:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: And you are trying to tell me that not even once you had exam questions before the actual exam?
[08:21] <apachelogger> yes that's what I am telling you
[08:22] <apachelogger> although I think the fact that it was the same exam is even more wrong
[08:22] <Quintasan> Well, the fun thing is that I know HOW to do them because I did them the day before.
[08:22] <apachelogger> that's a "don't give a f" on both ends
[08:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Well, he didn't change anything and I didn't entirely prepare for anything else
[08:23] <apachelogger> yeah, what I said
[08:24] <apachelogger> oh, eh Oo
[08:24] <apachelogger> kubuntu-desktop is in proposed even though it builds more archtiectures than before
[08:24] <Quintasan> Still, not entriely sure what went wrong there. Even if he knows that we have the question should not be a basis to use Random.nextInt() to generate grades :P
[08:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: actually we had one of those sorts as well, there was a pool of 3 exam versions he'd give and then he'd simply fail random people with flimsy reasoning
[08:26] <Quintasan> Probably the same thing happened here.
[08:26] <apachelogger> I think universities are many degrees of pointless in most of europe
[08:26] <apachelogger> much like kmail which still refuses to "create a SMTP job"
[08:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: My main problem is  that I need to have a degree to find a job here
[08:27] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: kubuntu-meta arm64/ppc might be in binary new
[08:27] <apachelogger> holding up cd image oversize fixes
[08:27] <Quintasan> Because your CV apparently looks OH SO MUCH better with a degree
[08:27] <apachelogger> you could always join the oldest profession there is
[08:27] <Quintasan> Heh.
[08:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Well, hopefully I can persuade him that mixing in Scala code in Java and asking someone if it's going to work is not a good idea for a question.
[08:30] <apachelogger> "it seems java is trying to eat your scala code, you might want to call the police"
[08:30] <Quintasan> If anything there is still second attempt at the exam left at Friday.
[08:32] <apachelogger> !find mysqldump
[08:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: same questions? :/
[08:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: From my information sources (people that are year older) - yes.
[08:33] <Quintasan> EXACTLY the same questions.
[08:34] <apachelogger> ...
[08:36] <apachelogger> debian bug #613718
[08:36]  * apachelogger blinks
[08:36] <apachelogger> debfx: who is supposed to run it then?
[08:36] <apachelogger> and more importantly why not discuss with upstream?
[08:38] <Riddell> ScottK: no I've not been tracking Qt 5.2 other than poking Mirv occationally
[08:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: debian added libhupnp-dev to kdelibs build conflicts, as far as I know it's mostly broken upstream
[09:07] <allee_> upnp
[09:13] <Mirv> ScottK: Riddell: everything is now building against Qt 5.2 (ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2), practically all unit tests pass. the final hurdle is passing all autopilot tests so that there wouldn't be regressions.
[09:14] <Mirv> it's unfortunate it's not yet in. this week some people are sprinting to get the remaining bugs identified and fixed, I'm wishing them luck (and helping when Qt packaging needs more patches or such)
[09:15] <Mirv> I'll also separately build tomorrow's 5.2.1 and use that if it seems there are no regressions with that
[09:15] <Mirv> regarding Qt Declarative we're already using almost 5.2.1
[09:15] <Mirv> since V4 had a lot of remaining bugs in 5.2.0
[09:24] <Riddell> thanks Mirv 
[10:19] <apachelogger> valorie: I am wondering how the doc export works for translations
[10:19] <apachelogger> do we have to do the export separately for each translation?
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: am I on the wrong branch or is the casper bzr branch outdated?
[10:21] <apachelogger> ah, nevermind, found it
[10:21] <apachelogger> I think
[10:22] <apachelogger> Packaging branch status: OUT-OF-DATE
[10:22] <apachelogger> hah
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: you didn't apparently :P
[10:27] <apachelogger> Packaging branch status: CURRENT
[10:27] <apachelogger> le fixed
[10:27] <Mirv> Riddell: how about the adding of ps-jenkins to ~kubuntu-packagers?
[10:30] <Riddell> Mirv: yes sorry, onto it
[10:30] <Mirv> thanks again
[10:32] <Riddell> voila
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: I didn't what?
[10:38]  * Riddell adds testing shadeslayer's driver manager and reviewing apachelogger's API to the todo list of the day
[10:38] <Riddell> but first, the beast that is calligra
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: push to casper bzr
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nope, I didn't see it in debian last night
[11:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: see what?
[11:49] <snele> Muon Discover seems to be broken on 14.04 (clean install of yesterdays daily)
[11:50] <snele> it shows no apps 
[11:50] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/1Q/TZ/43Hky01w/snapshot5.png
[11:50] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/39/2z/20xpTPT8/snapshot6.png
[11:50] <snele> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/l/jS/4D4HfRYO/snapshot7.png
[11:51] <apachelogger> snele: does muon?
[11:51] <snele> muon package manager works well
[11:51] <apachelogger> peculiar
[11:52] <apachelogger> snele: is app-install-data installed?
[11:52] <apachelogger> does this help? sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[11:53] <snele> apachelogger: app-install-data is installed
[11:54] <snele> apachelogger: sudo update-apt-xapian-index doesn't help
[11:54] <snele> it says it is up to date
[11:55] <ghostcube> yep same thing here
[11:57]  * apachelogger checks if today's ISO install worked
[11:59] <apachelogger> also happens on a new install
[11:59] <apachelogger> fancy
[11:59] <Peace-> mmm guys why i can't do this ? dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Hibernate
[11:59] <apachelogger> snele, ghostcube: which packages were updated yesterday?
[11:59] <Peace-> i got this message on kubuntu 
[11:59] <Peace-> Error org.freedesktop.UPower.GeneralError: not authorized
[12:00] <Peace-> for hibernate instead with susped no problems
[12:00] <Peace-> :s
[12:00] <apachelogger> because logind manages permissions
[12:00] <ghostcube> apachelogger: will check apt log
[12:00] <Peace-> apachelogger: but it's a bit strange that i can do suspend without problems instead
[12:00] <snele> apachelogger: ghostcube: how to check apt log? :)
[12:01] <apachelogger> Peace-: no it's not, AFAIK the way hibernation is disabled is through simply retracting permissions for it
[12:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: have you asked your resident solid maintainer on his views on using hupnp?
[12:02] <apachelogger> snele: /var/log/apt
[12:02] <Peace-> apachelogger: thank you for answer :D it sucks :P
[12:03] <ghostcube> apachelogger: hmm i got update from 01.02.2014 nothing special... and todays seem the same
[12:03] <ghostcube> what are you looking for?
[12:03] <apachelogger> Peace-: well, tell #ubuntu-devel
[12:03] <apachelogger> ghostcube: *what* was updated
[12:03] <Peace-> apachelogger: hahaha thank you but :D i guess i will not 
[12:03] <ghostcube> apachelogger: will paste it moment
[12:04] <apachelogger> maybe muon 2.1.3 broke it
[12:04] <apachelogger> though I did not see any problems with it on saucy
[12:05] <apachelogger> it has the data
[12:05] <apachelogger> it just can't list anything for some reason
[12:07]  * apachelogger purges and tries 
[12:08] <apachelogger> oh boy
[12:08] <apachelogger> ghostcube, snele: I think it's muon 2.1.3
[12:08] <ghostcube> ok
[12:09] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/8697562
[12:11] <ghostcube> qrc:/qml/FeaturedModel.qml:24: SyntaxError: Unable to parse JSON string
[12:11] <ghostcube> if i start muon in terminal
[12:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'll ask him over lunch
[12:12] <ghostcube> apachelogger: i post you the konsole text
[12:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=5274166f57b9133cdfeea476161ab7ea96c6a692;hb=HEAD#l61
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no build conflicts on hupnp here too http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=15c899eb22a7cbf73d4f5fb6bc75c630d7d0c239;hb=refs/heads/kde4.11#l23
[12:14] <ghostcube> apachelogger: http://pastie.org/8697571
[12:14] <apachelogger> ghostcube: nothing useful ^^ already looked at it in my VM
[12:14] <ghostcube> hmm ok anything else i can tell you
[12:14] <shadeslayer> :(
[12:14] <shadeslayer> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55247264/kubuntu.pdf
[12:14] <jussi> its awesome to see things users send to our ML being worked on so quickly. you guys rock :)
[12:14] <shadeslayer> has old logo
[12:15] <snele> apachelogger: ghostcube: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1276129
[12:15] <snele> maybe title should be edited ;)
[12:20] <ghostcube> apachelogger: opened Dienstprogramme
[12:20] <ghostcube> file:///usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/TabBar.qml:161:9: QML QDeclarativeItem_QML_45: Bei der fÃÂ¼r die Eigenschaft Ã¢ÂÂwidthÃ¢ÂÂ angegebenen Bindung wurde eine Endlosschleife festgestellt
[12:20] <ghostcube>   is this anything of interest?
[12:20] <apachelogger> no
[12:20] <ghostcube> damn...
[12:20] <apachelogger> snele: ghostcube: we already have a fix
[12:20] <ghostcube> oh ok
[12:20] <ghostcube> then i can stop strace lol
[12:21] <apachelogger>   Uploading muon_2.1.3-0ubuntu3_source.changes: done.
[12:21] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:22] <apachelogger> ghostcube, snele: builders are still busy, so that wont arrive until tomorrow or possibly even the day after
[12:22] <ghostcube> ok will check again
[12:22] <apachelogger> thanks for pointing out the bug
[12:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1274626 has gotten a new upload to fix a regression
[13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvkbd/+bug/1276140
[13:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: where does one file syadmin tickets?
[13:04] <apachelogger> I seem to have forgotten all about it ^^
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: sysadmin or archive admin?
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: for that bug subscribe ubuntu-archive I think
[13:11] <Riddell> but mostly poke me
[13:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: canonical sysadmins
[13:12] <apachelogger> www.kubuntu.com doesn't forward to .org
[13:13] <Riddell> e-mail rt@ubuntu.com
[13:16] <apachelogger> sent
[13:16]  * apachelogger doesn't wanna compile policies on the wiki :'<
[13:16] <apachelogger> moinmoin is so terribad
[13:17] <Riddell> compile policies?
[13:17] <apachelogger> make a page with all our present policies
[13:17] <apachelogger> bug triage, SC SRUs, coding style
[13:17] <apachelogger> there was a fourth, but I seem to have forgotten it already ^^
[13:18] <apachelogger> ah, patch policy
[13:18] <apachelogger> right now that stuff is all over the place and not being updated and there simply is no point of reference
[13:23] <Riddell> how to join teams would be good too
[13:23] <Riddell> when can you get into ~kubuntu-packager and ~kubuntu-ppa I always forget
[13:23] <apachelogger> ah
[13:23] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/dW1BTbUG if you think of anything else just add it
[13:48] <apachelogger> "We will write a plasma applet to distribute on our beta installs which will ask questions for structured feedback on areas where we often revieve little feedback, notably translations and bluetooth. This should put its responses in a database over http which can them be easily queried so we can see where people are having problems. It should also prompt users to join the ISO testing team if they want to help check their problems in future 
[13:48] <apachelogger> releases. "
[13:49] <apachelogger> I do wonder if we shoudl bring back something like this?
[13:50] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I moved the "Look into UFW GUIs" card in To Do because I10n still needs looking into
[13:50] <apachelogger> oh
[13:50] <apachelogger> that's why I started my VM again
[13:52] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: the outlook is not so good
[13:52]  * apachelogger grabs source
[13:52] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: where did you get the tarball from?
[13:54] <apachelogger> no translations present
[13:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: but the rest is all in progress so that card in general should be in progress
[13:55] <apachelogger> commented
[13:55] <apachelogger> needs string freeze and tarball rollign from git
[13:55] <apachelogger> supposedly the present tar is from kde-apps
[13:55] <apachelogger> which would explain why there is no localization
[14:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: have you asked upstream to do that?
[14:10] <apachelogger> we are upstream
[14:12] <Riddell> for ufw kde?
[14:15] <apachelogger> yes
[14:15] <apachelogger> upstream upstream didn't want to be so much upstream anymore
[14:22] <shadeslayer> agateau: ping
[14:23] <agateau> shadeslayer: pong
[14:23] <shadeslayer> agateau: my KMessageWidget seems to disappear if you hit the 'close' button
[14:23] <shadeslayer> as in, if I call show on it later on, nothing happens
[14:24] <shadeslayer> is there a way to avoid this?
[14:24] <agateau> shadeslayer: have you tried calling animatedShow() instead?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:25] <agateau> Should fix the problem I think
[14:25] <shadeslayer> agateau: yep
[14:26] <shadeslayer> I thought animated show was called when the system allowed that
[14:26] <shadeslayer> if not, it fell back to regular
[14:26] <shadeslayer> *to the regular showing of a widget without animations
[14:27] <agateau> no, you should always use animatedShow() and depending on the system settings it will be animated or plain-old show
[14:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:35] <shadeslayer> agateau: thx
[14:35] <agateau> you're welcome
[14:36]  * apachelogger conducts a blame investigation
[14:37] <apachelogger> 309 rohanga | usr/share/applications/kde4/contactthemeeditor.desktop
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please take more care where you stuff new desktop files
[14:37] <apachelogger> kdepim r309 introduces an application that we do not want on the ISO to kaddressbook
[14:38] <shadeslayer> I asked in kdepim and they said that it was correct to put it in kaddressbook
[14:38] <shadeslayer> as a matter of fact, they said that it goes together with it
[14:39]  * apachelogger sighs
[14:39] <apachelogger> <- this is where the workspace mission is                                                                                                                                                                             this is what kdepim is doing ->
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: we now have headerthemeditor (primarily kmail) and contactthemeditor (primarily kaddressbook) ... thoughts on throwing them together into kdepim-themeeditors?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> that's what I wanted to do in the first place
[14:41] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/BQyFQrE.png
[14:41] <apachelogger> I totally see myself using that lots
[14:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanted to do that for headerthemeeditor already, alas seemed silly for just one ^^
[15:18] <kfunk> apachelogger: wtf is that? :P
[15:20] <apachelogger> kfunk: it's a contactthemeeditor is it not obvious: /
[15:20] <kfunk> let me rephrase: *why* the fuck?
[15:20] <kfunk> :P
[15:21] <apachelogger> well, I dunno
[15:21] <apachelogger> why was the mboximporter desktop file visible in 4.12.0
[15:22] <apachelogger> kfunk: let me revise my answer ... 42.
[15:22]  * apachelogger falls off chair and scuttles off
[15:23] <kfunk> heh
[15:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why didn't you call kde-developer kde-sdk :'<
[15:25] <apachelogger> agateau: are you going to do some ubiquity fondling this cycle?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> It  wasn't ever suggested? The suggestion was only for the name in the desktop file
[15:26] <agateau> apachelogger: I actually have a merge request waiting
[15:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: other than the comment I made on the card you mean? :P
[15:27] <agateau> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-no-fullscreen/+merge/203105
[15:27] <apachelogger> agateau: https://trello.com/c/Mw5FBYpI adding a pattern to the resize partition painting might be nice ;)
[15:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-no-fullscreen/+merge/203105 plz be reviewing changes :P
[15:28] <Riddell> oh jings yes sorry
[15:29] <agateau> apachelogger: I can look into it if I find some time
[15:29] <apachelogger> agateau: would be cool, probably would take me longer as I have not used qpainter ever
[15:30] <apachelogger> in fact I only ever worked around qpainter because it was rubbish for painting video frames ^^
[15:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: should we kick kppp off the ISO?
[15:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah I think so
[15:39]  * apachelogger creates card
[15:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, and is something from kubuntu-meta in the binary new queue?
[15:42] <apachelogger> it doesn't migrate from proposed but there are no problems according to the excuses file
[15:42] <apachelogger> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: plz reject kde-developer from new
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> in case you haven't already
[15:44] <apachelogger> oh oh
[15:44] <Riddell> meta-kde  is in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue
[15:44] <apachelogger> hm
[15:44] <apachelogger> why does meta not migrate then 
[15:44] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta
[15:44] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: plz reject kde-developer
[15:44] <apachelogger> most peculiar
[15:44] <apachelogger> it builds on all architectures etc.
[15:44] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger wants to call it kde-sdk
[15:44] <apachelogger> well
[15:44] <apachelogger> I just asked why not kde-sdk :P
[15:44] <apachelogger> or kde-developer-sdk
[15:45] <apachelogger> makes it more discoverable via apt-cache search IMO
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> and I don't have a reason for it not being called kde-sdk
[15:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: because it was stuck in New and I just rejected it
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> kde-developer-sdk is way too long
[15:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's meta-kde
[15:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am talking about kubuntu-meta
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: can I upload with the same version?
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> or do I have to make a new one
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: yes
[15:46] <apachelogger> since it was rejected the version never existed 
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> cool
[15:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, kubuntu-full not happy on arm64 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[15:46] <apachelogger> or
[15:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: no
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: new version
[15:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: the source still exists
[15:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: only wasin binary new, not source new ^^
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> ok
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> mhmm
[15:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh the output, my eyes
[15:47] <apachelogger> no clue how ot read that ^^
[15:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: no it's hard to read, but it says that it can't install on arm64
[15:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it say why?
[15:48] <Riddell> armhf: karbon, kubuntu-full
[15:48] <apachelogger> ah
[15:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: so maybe it doesn't like karbon, which may get fixed when I finally upload this calligra compile
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> silly arches
[15:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: any idea why kf5 khtml doesn't compile https://launchpadlibrarian.net/164802227/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.khtml_4.95.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[15:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: going to put down a card then to check again
[15:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: it complains about phonon HTMLVideoElement.h:29:32: fatal error: phonon/mediaobject.h: No such file or directory
[15:49] <Riddell> but it does -I/usr/include/phonon4qt5
[15:49] <Riddell> which does contain phonon/mediaobject.h:
[15:50]  * apachelogger squints
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> ohohoh
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: we have a kdesdk as well
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: phonon is stuck in proposed too I think
[15:50] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: phonon is stuck because the new package doesn't build on the excotic architectures because qt5 doesn't build on the excotic architectures
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> hurray for weird arch's we don't care about \o/
[15:50] <apachelogger> or didn't build there anyway
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/7YwMMClC
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> yep
[15:51] <Riddell> nah I put a version in kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: still want to call it kdesdk?
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> er
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> kde-sdk
[15:51] <Riddell> I wouldn't, too confusing
[15:52] <Riddell> I agree on kde-developer-sdk
[15:52] <shadeslayer_> not etoolong?
[15:52] <apachelogger> that's 3 tabs
[15:52] <apachelogger> or two maybe
[15:52] <shadeslayer_> *shrug* ok
[15:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: packaging bugged for phonon
[15:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6873688/
[15:54] <apachelogger> note how it places stuff in directories for some reason
[15:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: damn, well spotted
[15:56] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: uploaded new meta-kde
[16:00] <apachelogger> "www.kubuntu.com now redirects to www.kubuntu.org" yay
[16:01] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin, Riddell: did I already say something about how we need a migratino plan for moving kubuntu.org elsewhere? and talk to sysadmins about that entire thing etc
[16:01] <apachelogger> like how would that work with mail addresses and such
[16:01] <apachelogger> <- entirely doesn't know no nothing about domain stuff
[16:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: the MX can still point to canonical, no need to change mail
[16:02] <Riddell> just repoint the A record to our server
[16:02] <apachelogger> I have these words, before, I do not recall what they mean but I guess it makes sense :)
[16:03] <apachelogger> anyway
[16:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I am thinking that if we redo the website we should use it as a chance to get our social networking story sorted, posting news to the site should also post it to accounts on twitter, facebook and g+
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell, ovidiu-florin: long story short, I think someone should create a board for the migration
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: with domain names e-mail is unrelated to web :)
[16:03] <apachelogger> fancy
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding foward posts, I think wordpress can take care of that easily
[16:04] <Riddell> right
[16:04] <apachelogger> at least on wordpress.com I have the option to automagically post to twitter and facebook
[16:05]  * apachelogger notes that shadeslayer is very disconnecty today
[16:09] <apachelogger> jolly numbers: for 14.04 37 cards are in todo, 15 are being worked on, 33 have been finished, 6 postponed to +1, 8 abandoned
[16:09] <apachelogger> nice progress I'd say
[16:09] <evilshadeslayer> Riddell: stuff should start hitting binary new soon
[16:09] <evilshadeslayer> didn't it always?
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> buildd's don't have source lists
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> causing kde-developer-sdk to not depend on so much stuff ...
[16:10]  * evilshadeslayer throws keyboards
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: how does one update KDE l10n packages?
[16:10] <apachelogger> Riddell, yofel_, ScottK, evilshadeslayer, valorie: anyone desire for another mumble call before 14.04?
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: core is being weird
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> cuz https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide is non existent
[16:10] <evilshadeslayer> aha it's https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/L10nOperatorGuide
[16:10] <apachelogger> someone moved it
[16:11] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: oh, sec
[16:11] <apachelogger> hm
[16:11] <apachelogger> I thought I had a change
[16:11] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: does the branch have a recent commit from me?
[16:13] <apachelogger> oh, now I remember
[16:13] <apachelogger> language-pack somehow ties into kde-l10n-common for some weird reason
[16:13] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: nevermind, move along, the change is in the other branch
[16:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes if someone organises it, otherwise not fussed
[16:14] <evilshadeslayer> :)
[16:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: about muon-discover: if you go by the bug count we should never install plasma or kde pim... May I suggest Amarok?
[16:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: bug count in relation to exposure and size
[16:18] <apachelogger> e.g. phonon also has too many bugs considering the size IMO
[16:19]  * evilshadeslayer is up for it if we have anything to discuss
[16:19] <apachelogger> Mamarok: mh, please send a mail ... I am not sure we want to feature software that is already installed, no one made a case in either direction so far, you could totally get a discussion started on that ^^
[16:20]  * evilshadeslayer moves to pykde4 while l10n is building
[16:20] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: you might want to pull driver manager
[16:20] <apachelogger> that is to say: I could totally be convinced to feature softwar that is installed, after all the app is called discover ... OTOH I also could be convineced not to feature installed software because it adds little value for the user who already knows about it
[16:20] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: and then?
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: thoughts on what to do with kde-developer-sdk then?
[16:21]  * evilshadeslayer is hungry again
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: build and install?
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> to make sure everything is exactly the same as before the refactor
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> and to make sure you don't hit obvious bugs
[16:21] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: upload to archvie already then I'll tell you what is broken :P
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> he
[16:21] <evilshadeslayer> heh
[16:22] <Mamarok> evilshadeslayer: when did you turn evil?
[16:22] <apachelogger> getting into QA mindset for one application is super exhausting, so I'd rather do it along with some other apps
[16:22] <evilshadeslayer> Mamarok: ever since we started supported exotic architechtures
[16:22] <Mamarok> started supported?
[16:23] <evilshadeslayer> *supporting
[16:23] <Mamarok> yxou back in Spain yet?
[16:23] <evilshadeslayer> yep
[16:23] <Mamarok> you*
[16:23] <Mamarok> cool
[16:23] <apachelogger> we always supported excotic architectures FWIW :P
[16:23]  * Mamarok was goig to say the same
[16:23] <apachelogger> in fact we used to support even more terrible ones ^^
[16:23] <Mamarok> going*
[16:23] <apachelogger> greetins from hppa 
[16:24] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: madness
[16:24]  * apachelogger never quite figured out what sort of device used hppa cpus
[16:24] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: the same way we support LTS releases ;)
[16:24] <apachelogger> well, we don't explicitly support arm64 or ppc either
[16:25] <apachelogger> the new QA tech just makes them more annoying because they can block stuff for no good reason
[16:25] <evilshadeslayer> *nod*
[16:26] <apachelogger> in terms of actual supportedness we only ever focused on i386 and amd64 and arm, and latter didn't quite take off as much as I had hoped so that was quite a bit of wasted time I guess
[16:26] <apachelogger> anywho
[16:27]  * apachelogger fiddles a todo for tomorrow and moves on to other stuff
[16:28] <apachelogger> evilshadeslayer: if you have policy additions/requests whatever https://trello.com/c/dW1BTbUG
[16:29] <apachelogger> going to try to find motivation for writing/reorganizing this stuff tomorrow
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger Riddell I was away for a while. 
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> Regarding cross posting, if the Wordpress CMS does not do that by default, there should be a plugin that can do that.
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> I'll test that on my blog.
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> any whay, I strongly insist on the necesity of the access to a webserver from the wordpress site.
[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> it can be a relay to a different one
[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> maybe pointed to an address like: website@kubuntu.org
[16:36] <ovidiu-florin> this is necessary so that the CMS can send notifications to the admins and editors.
[16:37] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I don't follow, access to a web server?
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> notifications include: warnings, updates available, new posts, comment moderation needed, etc.
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> sorry, mail server, not webserver
[16:38] <evilshadeslayer> apachelogger: mmm okay
[16:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: mm, well yes we can do that, I've not set up a mail server in a while, any idea what the best software is these days?
[16:40] <Riddell> who won the postfix vs exim war?
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> what is exim?
[16:40] <Riddell> an alternative to postfix :)
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> I got that
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> I answered with a question
[16:40] <Riddell> debian defaulted to exim4 at some point and defaulted to postfix at others
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> I've worked a bit with mail servers... never heard of exim
[16:41] <Riddell> let's try postfix then :)
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> I've heard of "other" mail servers, but postfix, was way to popular
[16:44] <Riddell> hi sgclark 
[16:45] <Riddell> hi Affondo 
[16:46] <sgclark> hello
[17:38] <shadeslayer> hm so upgrade to KDE SC 4.12.2 went fine
[17:38] <shadeslayer> but PW is crashing
[17:40] <Riddell> PW?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> plasma workspaces?
[17:40] <shadeslayer> or well, plasma desktop
[17:40] <shadeslayer> I've uploaded kde-workspace 4.11.6
[17:41] <shadeslayer> to build against KDE SC 4.12.2
[17:41] <shadeslayer> *fingers crossed*
[17:45]  * Riddell already has his fingers crossed for calligra to build
[17:46] <genii> I noticed lots of updates today. So far nothing broke here :)
[18:02] <BluesKaj> looks ok here as well 
[18:03] <BluesKaj> except smb access suddenly stopped working
[18:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got a moment?
[18:19] <Riddell> http://solydxk.com/  another KDE debian distro, wonder what it does that the rest don't
[18:19] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:19] <Riddell> ah it's Linux Mint Debian Edition KDE which was dropped, not Linux Mint KDE
[18:20] <Riddell> well good to know that the elegantly named solydxk fills that important gap in the market
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Release blocked till 1273729 is fixed
[18:27] <Riddell> bug 1273729
[18:27] <Riddell> naughty Kubuntu Driver Manager
[18:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's actually pretty decent now
[18:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kcmshell4 kcm-drivermanager  doesn't seem to do anything
[18:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kcm_driver_manager
[18:42] <shadeslayer> make sure you atleast have 0.0+git20140204+r18~630360f+2
[18:42] <shadeslayer> hm, no jte here
[18:43] <Riddell> no, he found a girlfriend :(
[18:44] <shadeslayer> well, he's replying on bug reports
[18:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you should fix Exec in kcm_driver_manager.desktop
[18:44] <Riddell> why Icon=office-chart-area-focus-peak-node
[18:44] <Riddell> ?
[18:45] <Riddell> oh taken from whoopsy kcm?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should be fixed
[18:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:45] <Riddell> oh I have an old one 0.0+git20140129+r14~f914617+2~ubuntu14.04.1
[18:46] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/IRUVABY
[18:47] <Riddell> hmm, no change in 0.0+git20140204+r18~630360f+2~ubuntu14.04.1
[18:47] <Riddell> did you make fixes compared to that?
[18:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well I run it and it's a nice empty kc module
[18:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I hope that means my computer has perfect freedom in its hardware but it would be nice to have a label saying so
[18:49] <shadeslayer> not mahor ones
[18:49] <shadeslayer> *major
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah yes, okay
[18:49] <shadeslayer> plz file bug
[18:49] <shadeslayer> so that I don't forget
[18:52] <Riddell> guess that's all the testing I can do on this computer, I'll try the windows machine when I get to use it next
[18:53] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:59] <Riddell> sgclark: I put KF5 packaging in bzr, see post to kubuntu-devel mailing list
[19:06] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry have computer problems. will as soon as I can
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please QA 4.12.2 for trusty
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fixed your bug as well btw
[19:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you put an image of RMS on kubuntu-driver-manager?
[19:12] <shadeslayer> heh no
[19:12] <shadeslayer> boring old label
[19:13] <Riddell> shame
[19:16]  * Riddell cries as khtml fails
[19:20] <Peace-> poor Riddell 
[19:20] <Peace-> :P
[19:21]  * Peace- uses konqueror for his bank
[19:21] <Riddell> one last upload to kf5!
[19:27]  * Riddell wanders home
[19:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: top lols
[19:36] <Quintasan> "well, you go those with pattern matching wrong"
[19:37] <Quintasan> "Well, but Sir, I blatantly put down this code into the REPL and it spat out 'true, false, true'."
[19:37] <Quintasan> "Well, it's wrong."
[19:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^ best exam ever.
[19:38] <Quintasan> HURR DURR
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Isn't it RHEL
[19:38] <shadeslayer> and not REPL
[19:39] <shadeslayer> unless you mean something else
[19:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It's Scala REPL if I'm not mistaken.
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[19:40] <Quintasan> Anyways, I blatantly copypasted all six answers to check if I didn't make any mistake there. I did not, still no points
[19:40] <Quintasan> lol
[19:40] <shadeslayer> I thought you wanted to say RedHat EnterPrise Linux
[19:41] <Quintasan> I have to retake this magic on Friday
[19:41] <Quintasan> Bloody hell this is so frustrating.
[19:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so I suck at data structures and have come up with this shitty solution of emitting changed/unchanged http://paste.kde.org/p2e8d971c
[19:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: please advise on better solution
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: well, atleast you didn't have to wait a year to retake it
[19:44] <shadeslayer> at my uni you had to wait for a year :/
[19:48] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Well, there is a second attempt that you get
[19:48] <Quintasan> If I fail that then I have to wait a year.
[19:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you can't appeal ?
[19:50] <shadeslayer> I mean your code ran fine did it not
[19:51] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: no no, the question was about pattern matching
[19:51] <Quintasan> ie. he gave you a function that uses pattern matching
[19:51] <Quintasan> and there were answers from a) to f) from which you were supposed to select the right ones
[19:52] <Quintasan> the functions yielded true if the argument matched the pattern and false if it didn't
[19:53] <shadeslayer> and you put it down in the computer and then ticked off the answers and your examiner said the computer was wrong?
[19:53] <Quintasan> more or less, I put it down in the computer when I got back home
[19:53] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[19:53] <Quintasan> then today he had his office hours so I went to ask him what the hell was wrong
[19:54] <Quintasan> WHY didn't I bring my damn pc with me is another thing
[19:54] <Quintasan> Well, anyways, he apparently gives the exactly same test on the second attempt so I SHOULD be able to pass it.
[19:55] <jarkko_> there are new packages, but why fglrx fglrx-amdcccle fglrx-dev are included?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: heh
[19:55] <Riddell> yofel_: I've got a nexus 10 from shadeslayer, do you want it?
[19:55] <jarkko_> i am not using any ppa for amd drivers
[19:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uhhh ... jussi expressed interest in it
[19:56] <shadeslayer> apparently he has access to magic
[19:56] <Riddell> oh jussi, I knew it began with a y, just forgot that eastern european pronounciation for j
[19:56] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:58] <Quintasan> kek
[19:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you please QA 4.12.2 from ninjas?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> plasma-desktop crashes for me
[20:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: installing
[20:06] <shadeslayer> ah ok, something weird with milou
[20:07]  * shadeslayer starts backporting
[20:15] <snele> apachelogger: I can confirm that Muon Discover works now :)
[20:16] <snele> apachelogger: I have also noticied that muon updater never pops up notification in systray about available updates
[20:17] <snele> even if you manualy check for updates
[20:17] <snele> and when you start it, it starts with wierd screen http://www.dodaj.rs/?3v/sb/428jJBqU/snapshot8.png
[20:23] <jussi> interesting news about Nvidia opening a mobile driver... http://linuxgizmos.com/nvidia-opens-tegra-k1-driver-wins-torvalds-thumbs-up/
[20:24] <shadeslayer> that is such a bad picture of Torvalds ....
[20:24] <jussi> Riddell: if there is someone who thinks they can do more with the tablet than me, feel free to pass it to them. I am not, and will not be a developer, I just have access to several people with an interest and I have an interest, so we can _try_ get things working.  
[20:28] <Riddell> jussi: send me a postal address and I'll post it off
[20:48] <Riddell> davmor2: ping, what's your postal address?  I have a birthday present for Sue
[21:17] <Riddell> sgclark: all of KF5 compiled ༒
[21:25] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you, I will be of more help tomorrow, sorry
[22:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4.12.2 good for me on trusty
[22:18] <shadeslayer> awesome
[22:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: once I upload to trusty, I'll upload 4.12.2 for saucy/precise to staging
[22:19] <shadeslayer> ninjas has no space
[22:22] <mamarley> Wait, 4.12.2?  Where is that?  I don't see it in the PPA.
[22:28] <Riddell> it's in our secret ninjas PPA
[22:28] <Riddell> I can give you the details if you want to become a tester
[23:50] <Riddell> "[ubuntu/trusty] calligra 1:2.7.91-0ubuntu4 (Accepted)"  ༒
[23:50]  * genii makes more coffee
[23:53] <valorie> Riddell: what is that symbol? ༒
[23:54] <valorie> it changes the spacing of lines in my konvi display
[23:54] <mamarley> Riddell: That sounds cool!  How do I sign up?
[23:55] <tsimpson> valorie: TIBETAN MARK RGYA GRAM SHAD (U+0F12)
[23:56]  * valorie wikipedias
[23:56] <valorie> Riddell: are you becoming buddhist?
[23:56] <valorie> it's a beautiful mark
[23:59] <valorie> excellent! http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2013/04/15/so-you-want-to-be-a-summer-of-code-student/