[00:13] <jirido> holstein: Could you help me?
[00:13] <holstein> jirido: whats up?
[00:14] <jirido> Well im to curious so i srew up
[00:14] <holstein> jirido: curious?
[00:15] <jirido> i just got a segmentfault when trying to launch nvidia-settings. The viewport is bigger then the screen. arandr says 1360 x 768 but it should be 1366 x 768. Also i looked a film in consol that crached console. grub says  gfxmode=1024x768 and it seems like the screen has been reported as this resolution somehow.. I am a noob at lin
[00:15] <jirido> ux as you probably understand
[00:15] <holstein> if you are a noob, why not just use the open driver?
[00:16] <jirido> It was lovely thou to look film with mpayer in console
[00:17] <jirido> Well i dont know.. i have got it from people that nvidas driver works better.. I dont play games thou so..
[00:17] <Unit193> "grub says" where exactly?
[00:17] <holstein> jirido: i would just use the open one, and if you have need for the proprietary one, you can go to it
[00:19] <jirido> I cant se the end of what you said but i can guess and yes why not! How did i change that from cli?
[00:19] <holstein> jirido: change what?
[00:20] <jirido> to the open driver.. Is it just to uninstall nvidias?
[00:21] <holstein> jirido: the open driver is what you were using before.. i dont know what you installed, or how you installed it, but yes. you remove it and revert to the default setup
[00:22] <jirido> if the screen has been reported as to be 1024 and the resolution in x is 1360 then the viewport should be bigger then the screen right?
[00:22] <holstein> jirido: there is no "should"
[00:22] <holstein> there is what is happening, and what you want to happen, and what is possible
[00:23] <jirido> where would that 1024 be set./ yes but its logic is it not?
[00:23] <jirido> Thats what happening and about just at that proportions.
[00:24] <holstein> jirido: the support officialy for you hardware is likely for windows..
[00:24] <holstein> jirido: what do i do? use the GUI tool arandr
[00:24] <holstein> !info arandr
[00:25] <holstein> or, i'll use a live CD like knoppix with a nice GUI, and grab the xorg.conf from there, and use it in *buntu
[00:25] <jirido> the viewport is about 15% bigger than the screen/ i have used arandr and it reports the veiwport to be 1360x768
[00:26] <jirido> This screens real resolution is 1366x768
[00:26] <jirido> I meen hardware
[00:26] <holstein> sure.. so whats the issue?
[00:26] <holstein> maybe the screen doesnt support that resolution
[00:28] <jirido> The viewport is to big for the screen but smaler than it should be so it means that the screen size is reported to little to x or tha grafical driver and i dont know where to look for to correct this..:(
[00:28] <holstein> jirido: one place to look is, maybe it cant be 'corrected'
[00:28] <holstein> jirido: does the screen support the resolutino the card is trying to send?
[00:29] <jirido> Is it x..  lol
[00:29] <holstein> jirido: its more about driver support
[00:31] <jirido> thje screen is made for 1366x768 arandr says 1360 and the viewport is to big for the screen so i understand it as so that the driver or x has got a information as the screen is 1024x768.. and i wonder where that number can have got stuck.. About :)
[00:32] <jirido> Maybe you are right but may be you got a clue..?
[00:33] <holstein> jirido: whats the xorg.conf say? how did knoppix work on the hardware? are you using the open driver again?
[00:33] <jirido> I have not checked xorg.conf as i thought it was notn in use anymore ..
[00:34] <holstein> jirido: how about giving it a look right now?
[00:34] <jirido> But maybe i got that al wrong
[00:34] <jirido> yes!
[00:34] <holstein> jirido: my nvidia drivers generate one, and you can look in the time it takes to respond
[00:34] <holstein> the reason i suggested it is becuase you have one, and its a place where issues that you are reporting can arise
[00:34] <jirido> U soo right. is it in etc? or my homefolder?
[00:35] <holstein>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:35] <jirido> I checked nvida-settings-rc
[00:36] <holstein> what i will do is, open a knoppix live CD, get the desktop looking "exactly" like i want it to, then copy that and take it back to ubuntu changing the driver to the nvidia one
[00:36] <holstein> i will not throw away the current xorg.conf that is working.. i will leave it handy where i can drop it back in. i will make sure i know how to edit that from a live CD or tty
[00:37] <holstein> you can also try a live CD for lubntu on that hardware and experiment with the open driver from there.. if the open driver works "better" for your needs, use it
[00:37] <Unit193> Indeed, though you'd likely want to use xorg -configure from a version of xorg close to what you're using here, no?
[00:38] <holstein> Unit193: maybe.. i have found that i can make some issues like this "better" from a knoppix live CD.. for some reason, i would have had to manually build some modes in
[00:39] <holstein> Unit193: and, i should know how. but, knoppix just let me do it, at least on all the hardware i have tried
[00:39] <Unit193> Done that, not fun.
[00:39] <holstein> but, here, i think jirido is assuming this is an x issue, or bug, and i dont think thats the case at all
[00:39] <Unit193> Cool, I suppose syntax wouldn't change much from version to version, and newer hasn't gotten enough features to be a problem.
[00:40] <holstein> well, it really shouldnt hurt anything to try it.. as long as one knows how to chage back
[00:40] <holstein> change*
[00:48] <jirido> holstein: hoho.. It says: 1360x768 but i change it to the right one.. 1366x768.. it is like the driver got info that the screen is 1024x768 like it says in grub. But as i understand it that resolution in grub is tty resolution.. but were does the grafic driver gets its info on the actual screen resolution? can there be a cache there that i could update somehow..? should it get it straight from the hardware3?
[00:48] <holstein> jirido: unless you are trying to address the grub resolution, forget it
[00:50] <holstein> jirido: are you using the open driver? how is it from the lubuntu live CD with the open driver? what xorg.conf did you change to? one from knoppix? or from running xorg -configure?
[00:51] <jirido> I thought like as i looked this film in mplayer in consolle and passed this 1024 to mplayer that it could have putn it someware when it crashed when i tried to shut it down.. oh i dont have a knopix but i could try to boot in some other moode maybe..but is there some commands i could use to update things?
[00:51] <holstein> jirido: mplayer should also be igrnored as well as grub resolution
[00:52] <jirido> mm
[00:52] <holstein> jirido: what would you like to update?
[00:52] <jirido> like where driver gets its info about the screen
[00:52] <holstein> jirido: you mean, xorg.conf?
[00:53] <holstein> jirido: thats where i would, and what i suggested, and still suggest you try
[00:53] <jirido> no more like its info from hardware to start with
[00:53] <jirido> but there it seems fine
[00:53] <jirido> like 1360x768
[00:53] <holstein> jirido: there? where is "there" ?
[00:54] <jirido> now 1366x768.. xorg.conf
[00:54] <holstein> jirido: whats the issue?
[00:54] <jirido> The viewport is to big
[00:55] <holstein> jirido: the resolution is too large? you can set that in arandr
[00:55] <jirido> even if smaller then harware specifie
[00:55] <holstein> jirido: the hardware specifies 'windows support', exclusively, correct?
[00:55] <jirido> the hardwarescreen is for 1366x768
[00:55] <holstein> jirido: what is it set to?
[00:56] <jirido> grundig 324820
[00:56] <jirido> has resolution 1366x768
[00:56] <holstein> jirido: so, you want 1366x768?
[00:56] <jirido> xorg 1360x768 and viewport 15% to big?
[00:57] <holstein> jirido: im going to give you a list of things i would do
[00:57] <holstein> 1. try the live CD with the open driver
[00:57] <jirido> so xorg is 6pixles to smal in theory but 15% to big in practics
[00:57] <holstein> 2. try generating an xorg.conf
[00:58] <holstein> jirido: i typically just set it to a resolution that works
[00:59] <holstein> you can also try #ubuntu for a larger help community, since this it not specificaly related to lubuntu or lxde
[00:59] <jirido> If i uninstall nvidias driver will the open one be put in instead automaticaly like a fallback?
[00:59] <jirido> Thats true but you are much nicer to an madman like me then they are there.. :)
[00:59] <holstein> jirido: as i stated last time you asked, i dont know how you installed the driver, but, you can remove it, and you can revert
[01:00] <holstein> jirido: you can also *easily* boot up a live CD.. the lubuntu live CD you installed from and test with the open driver
[01:02] <jirido> So i try to make things right for a while and commes back to terrorize you if it goes straight to hell. I got irssi so i alvays can get to freenode .. thats a lifeline :) yes i poke around alitle ruin things a litle more.. Thank you for youre patience withm me  for so long.. se you!
[01:03] <holstein> jirido: try one of the options before asking again.. cheers!
[01:04] <jirido> Yes all!
[01:04] <holstein> jirido: the live CD's are a great way to experiement, though, not always handy with the grahpics drivers
[02:01] <sysboot> Guys I have a tiny problem, could use some help
[02:01] <ianorlin> what is the problem we can't help if we don't know what it is?
[02:03] <sysboot> Well, when my netbook boots up I get nothing on the screen not even a blacklight after the bios splash screen. However if I go to another tty session and then back to tty 7 the LXDM appears
[02:03] <holstein> sounds like a "work-around" to me.. is all well after that?
[02:03] <sysboot> yup
[02:04] <sysboot> I checked /etc/10_linux and 7 is default
[02:04] <sysboot> tty7
[02:04] <holstein> sysboot: oh, i dont think you are booting to a tty, if thats what you think
[02:04] <holstein> sysboot: i think something about the graphics card is not supporting linux well
[02:05] <sysboot> then why does the gui came back after switching
[02:05] <holstein> but, if you can work around it, as you are, and all is well, thats what i would do.. have you found a bug report pertaining to your specific hardware? is it hardware with a proprietary driver?
[02:06] <sysboot> It's a intel driver
[02:06] <holstein> sysboot: you cant assume "the machine is on some random tty, then i switch it to the proper one, and all is good"
[02:06] <sysboot> well yea, but how do I fix it lol
[02:06] <holstein> sysboot: from what i read, you did already
[02:07] <holstein> sysboot: is there a bug report for the specific hardware?
[02:07] <sysboot> Not sure
[02:07] <holstein> !bug | sysboot if not, you can start one
[02:07] <sysboot> oh okay :)
[02:08] <sysboot> well the computers for my mom so she might just have to live with crtl+ Alt+F^ the F7
[02:08] <sysboot> then*
[02:08] <sysboot> better than xp anyway
[02:54] <sysboot> I found a cool work around!
[15:20] <RudeViper> Hey guys - well I got all of the server issues sorted out except how to start the minecraft server when computer boots - crontab works but I don't get a terminal window that I can go to to type commands into it - like reload or stop or anything like that. There has to be a way for me to get it to start automatically within a terminal window - as for upstart - I don't understand that at all.
[15:34] <holstein> RudeViper: whats the question? how to autostart applications?
[15:35] <holstein> i do it in the openbox config.. but, a server machine like that, and a game like that, i might just start manually since rebooting likely wouldnt happen very often
[16:00] <RudeViper> I'm worried about power off sitution when I'm not home
[16:00] <RudeViper> but for now I have to do it manually
[16:03] <holstein> worried? you have ssh access? correct
[16:04] <RudeViper> yeah but don't always have a computer with me
[16:05] <RudeViper> I don't see anything in the openbox configuration manager but I did find the lxsession default apps - will it work through that?
[16:17] <holstein> RudeViper: will what work through what?
[16:17] <RudeViper> the lxsession default apps -
[16:19] <holstein> RudeViper: are you trying to autostart the minecraft server?
[16:19] <holstein> RudeViper: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/81854-ubuntu-server-load-server-on-startup/ is where i would start
[16:24] <RudeViper> yes- I want minecraft to start when machine starts - reboots or comes back after power outage -
[16:24] <RudeViper> I did go there and that just doesn't work - minecraft won't start
[16:26] <RudeViper> I'll try that again though - since I had some other issues going on that may have affected that.
[16:45] <holstein> RudeViper: "coming back" after a power outage will be related to the hardware, if it can or does do that or not
[16:46] <holstein> RudeViper: you would start with  the error messages you are recieving.. and, ideally, you wil do that with minecraft support
[16:46] <RudeViper> ok - actually that part is ok - I think I left something out - I want the server to start up in a terminal window automatically when server starts
[16:46] <holstein> RudeViper: i wuld break this up.. .how to you autostart an application that you *know* works, and is well supported.. something from the repos
[16:46] <RudeViper> bukkit support says that it's an os issue
[16:46] <holstein> RudeViper: then, you can say "i know this is how you autostart applications"
[16:47] <holstein> then, you can move on to applying that knowledge to minecraft
[16:47] <holstein> RudeViper: its not an OS issue
[16:47] <holstein> RudeViper: you *can* autostart applcations.. there are *many* ways to do so.. there are several of those ways listed where i linked
[16:47] <holstein> RudeViper: what have you tried? and how have they failed? and what are the error messages?
[16:49] <RudeViper> I used the cron job - which does work however you can't enter any commands like reload or stop cause it doesn't open a terminal window - it runs entirely in the background
[16:50] <holstein> RudeViper: have you tried implementing screen?
[16:50] <RudeViper> yes - and that just doesn't work - no errors just nothing
[16:51] <holstein> RudeViper: how would you like to proceed? i feel you are hiting a dead end with minecraft support, and we cant support it well here..
[16:51] <holstein> i like to stick to the facts.. you *can* run the software.. minecraft works.. so, all you have to do is sort out an acceptable autostart situation
[16:52] <RudeViper> I'm just looking for a way to start it when server boots in a terminal window - I think the regular ubuntu startup apps would work but I can't find it - is it something I can add to lubuntu?
[16:53] <holstein> RudeViper: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[16:53] <holstein> RudeViper: if you need a terminal to connect to, i would use screen.. i would look into starting screen and that application you want
[16:54] <RudeViper> yes but some things seen to be either hidden or stripped to make it lighter
[16:54] <holstein> then, you can connect back into screen
[16:54] <RudeViper> I tried screen but it doesn't do anything - no screen - can't connect to it.
[16:54] <holstein> RudeViper: how did you try it? what *exactly* did you do?
[16:55] <holstein> RudeViper: if you dont want to use screen, just let me know.. otherwise, i think that is the 'best' way until i read otherwise where i am researching
[16:56] <holstein> http://superuser.com/questions/435023/how-to-get-a-gnu-screen-session-to-auto-start-with-a-specific-command suggests screen -d -m command
[16:56] <RudeViper> I'll have to go read up on it again - it was a while back I tried it and don't remember what I did-  I was following instructions on bukkit forums
[16:56] <RudeViper> in lubuntu where is the startup applications
[16:56] <RudeViper> I don't have it in my menu
[16:56] <holstein> RudeViper: you can autostart applications many ways
[16:56] <holstein> RudeViper: AFAIK, there is no menu item..
[16:57] <holstein> but, you would need to try autostarting something else.. i suggested, and still suggest something simple.. try starting a screen running top and connect to it
[16:57] <RudeViper> ok - that's what I was talking about when you said lubuntu is ubuntu - cause there is a menu item for that in ubuntu
[16:57] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession
[16:58] <RudeViper> I asked you about that specifically earlier and you never answered
[16:58] <holstein> RudeViper: there are many differences.. you have access to the same packages
[16:59] <holstein> RudeViper: i acutally linked a how-to that had specific methods of autostarting the specific application you were asking about, when you asked the first time
[16:59] <holstein> RudeViper: http://askubuntu.com/questions/81383/how-can-i-add-new-autostart-programs-in-lubuntu
[17:00] <holstein> i would start by testing a simple autostart.. something like conky
[17:00] <RudeViper> your just going way overboard -
[17:00] <holstein> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31685
[17:00] <RudeViper> I found where they hid the startup applications
[17:00] <holstein> RudeViper: they?
[17:01] <holstein> RudeViper: nothing in linux or lubuntu is hiding from you
[17:01] <RudeViper> omg -
[17:01] <holstein> !volunteers | RudeViper
[17:01] <RudeViper> in lubuntu it is in a different place than regular ubuntu
[17:01] <holstein> RudeViper: sure.. the links above as *specific* to lxde and lubuntu
[17:04] <RudeViper> and for version apparently cause what the page says is not what is on my screen - I think that is my point - I just can't find in the menu where the start up applications link is - so far every webpage I see - it's wrong - this one says Preferences>Destop Session Settings - and it isn't on my screen - and this is for lubuntu lxde - so my guess is in this version it is in a different place -
[17:04] <RudeViper> and that's what I am trying to find out
[17:06] <holstein> RudeViper: you have tried  /etc/xdg/lxsession/lxde/autostart ?
[17:06] <holstein> how about in your users home? ~./config/autostart ?
[17:07] <holstein> RudeViper: there are many ways that are not specific to desktop environments.. that would work in both lubunt or main ubuntu... and should work in any linux distro
[17:08] <RudeViper> haven't seen anything about those yet - so far even using SPECIFIC version of lubuntu in searches gives me the same thing - something that isn't on my screen
[17:09] <holstein> RudeViper: how about the 2 suggestions above? that are mentioned in the links i gave before? are you able to autostart one of the applications i suggested there?
[17:10] <RudeViper> I am looking into those right now - never seen them before so don't know how to do it - so I am reading it now
[17:11] <RudeViper> ok - this looks pretty straight forward - I'll try the first one and go from there - what I like about that is that it appears that I can in fact open it in terminal - be back in a bit - thanks
[17:12] <holstein> RudeViper: thats how i start conky and a few other things manually..
[17:12] <holstein> RudeViper: you should be able to start it in screen, eventually, and have a screen session you can connect to and manage what you are trying to manage
[17:12] <holstein> RudeViper: i would try using top, something that you know works.. dont jump right to minecraft and assume its an OS issue..
[17:13] <RudeViper> I think the biggest problem I am running into is trying to explain what I am looking for - not entirely a linux noob - but not proficient enough yet to explain it right
[17:13] <RudeViper> I don't even know what top is
[17:13] <holstein> RudeViper: no worries.. i may or may not be able to help you, first-hand, but i feel very confidient i can sort out where to send you if not
[17:13] <RudeViper> I think it is an os issue - only due to the fact that I am not telling the os the right thingts to do
[17:14] <holstein> RudeViper: sure.. but thats not an os issue either.. and, im not trying to be rude or combative
[17:15] <RudeViper> lol - it is actually an OM issue - operator malfuction - ROFLMAO
[17:15] <holstein> still, to be constructive, just keep it simple.. can you autostart something simple like conky? then, can you autostart top in screen and reconnect? then, can you run mindecraft server? then.. can you autostart minecraft in a screen session
[17:15] <holstein> i think those would be my steps in this scenario
[17:16] <RudeViper> ok - with conky - I have NEVER been able to get that to work - that one isn't simple
[17:16] <holstein> RudeViper: anything that you know works, and that you can run..
[17:16] <RudeViper> rather I don't understand what it puts out - at least not when I tried it last
[17:17] <RudeViper> they are showing something for leafpad - I am going to try that first
[17:17] <RudeViper> have to step away for about 10 minutes - then I can try it - brb
[17:26] <RudeViper> holstein - one question using the /etc/sdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart - how do I tell it to enter certain commands into an lxterminal?
[17:26] <holstein> RudeViper: you dont
[17:26] <RudeViper> or should I just tell it to use the manual start.sh file?
[17:27] <holstein> RudeViper: what do i do? i just use the .config in my users home to run the command.. i have never tried with screen, but ideally, you will have screen running the command detached
[17:27] <holstein> RudeViper: you will be able to attach with *any* terminal emulator, lxterminal being one of those
[17:28] <holstein> RudeViper: you dont have the system "open lxterminal and run said application"
[17:33] <RudeViper> ok here is the problem I keep running into that is why I am so confused - it is telling me to look for /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart - the problem is there is no LXDE directory.
[17:34] <RudeViper> and I also don't see a .config in my home dir
[17:34] <holstein> RudeViper: ok.. dont get hung up on anything.. as the guide i gave suggests, each distro can do it different.. plus, that is system wide, and i prefer doing it in the user config when applicable
[17:35] <holstein> RudeViper: the dot directories are hidden
[17:35] <holstein> RudeViper: you can use control+h in most file managers to show them
[17:36] <RudeViper> ahhh - that explains that
[17:36] <holstein> RudeViper: they are hidden for convinience.. not to hide them from you so you can use them
[17:36] <holstein> convenience*
[17:37] <RudeViper> same thing here - ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart - there is no LXDE dir - only Lubuntu - so is that where I look then?
[17:37] <holstein> RudeViper: thats where i would look, or just manually create what i need
[17:39] <RudeViper> ok - in the autostart file I see this /home/chuck/Desktop/bukkit/start.sh - because it isn't working I have to assume I am not doing it right
[17:39] <holstein> RudeViper: you are also troubleshooting many things again.. i would try starting something that works
[17:40] <RudeViper> ok I didn't ask the right question again - how do I format the line to issue a command?
[17:40] <holstein> RudeViper: try issuing a known good command
[17:41] <RudeViper> How? do I just type it - put @ in front of it?
[17:42] <holstein> RudeViper: i do whatever it takes.. i use a command that i know works, and i do whatever it takes to make it start
[17:42] <holstein> RudeViper: thats why i suggested conky, because there is a lot of documentation.. some of which i linked
[17:43] <holstein> its not important that you understand the information conky is listing, or use conky.. just that you autostart a known good, and supported repo application
[17:43] <RudeViper> that isn't what I am asking - I am asking what the format it
[17:43] <RudeViper> is
[17:44] <holstein> RudeViper: let me just pull up the link i gave earlier, and look, and copy paste an example here
[17:44] <RudeViper> ie "2conky" or just "conky" or what
[17:45] <RudeViper> ok that actually answered - I need to use the @ format
[17:45] <holstein> RudeViper: i just search, and read, and do what it takes, after i know the command works
[17:45] <holstein> http://andrewbeaton.net/faq/2011/07/08/add-a-program-to-start-on-lxde-startup/
[17:45] <holstein> @conky -c ~/.conky/.conkyrc.main & for example
[17:46] <holstein> though, you would be aiming for a screen version of top next
[17:48] <RudeViper> well it's rebooting now - it will take a few - it's an old p4 so it is slow
[17:48] <holstein> i wouldnt even run X on a minecraft server...
[17:48] <RudeViper> I remembered the problem with screen now - I could never seem to attach to the screen I wanted
[17:49] <holstein> RudeViper: we can troubleshoot that.. you run "screen -list" and see if there is anything to connect to.. "screen -x" will connect to it
[17:49] <RudeViper> well if I could have attached to the screen I wouldn't either - but for some reason I just counldn't get it to work so I could issue server commands
[17:49] <holstein> RudeViper: you will have to try it, and list errors, and read what i wrote above, and do it
[17:50] <RudeViper> I'll actually have to reinstall it - I am currently running a new clean install - was on Ubuntu 13.10 server before when I tried it
[17:50] <holstein> screen -list will tell you if you have something running in screen to attach to, and screen -x (assuming you have just the one screen session) will try and attach, and you can share the error messages (if any)
[17:52] <RudeViper> nope - nothing on screen - have to set that up first.
[17:53] <RudeViper> give me a minute and let's try that route
[17:53] <RudeViper> I need to undo what I have done to this point
[17:53] <holstein> RudeViper: you have already gotten an application to autostart normally?
[17:54] <RudeViper> no
[17:54] <RudeViper> well at least not the way I want it
[17:54] <holstein> RudeViper: then, stop with the screen setup, and do that.. i suggest using conky since its well documented, and easy to test
[17:55] <RudeViper> what I want is so specific that I don't think the route I have been trying will work - we haven't been working on the screen bit - but I am about to try that again as it will give me the ability to enter server commands
[17:56] <holstein> RudeViper: sure.. but, again, you are troubleshooting many things at once.. if it doenst work, it could be anything in the chain that is not working
[17:58] <holstein> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Tutorials/Server_startup_script looks just like how i would do it, in the end.. assuming all the parts work independently
[17:58] <RudeViper> no - I'm not - I don't have screen set up at this time - I am going to try and get that to work first - but that appears to be the only way to get to where I want - it doesn't matter if it works if I can't enter commands via ssh or screen
[17:59] <holstein> RudeViper: the ability to reconect with screen, as suggested by me eariler, and the guide i just linked will let you control the server
[17:59] <RudeViper> that script is totally unacceptable - by design you can't enter server commands -
[17:59] <holstein> RudeViper: you reconect with screen, friend
[17:59] <RudeViper> nogui
[18:00] <RudeViper> that script closes the terminal window as soon as the server is running
[18:00] <holstein> RudeViper: you reconnect with screen
[18:00] <RudeViper> hm - I wonder if that was what I did wrong
[18:02] <holstein> i would want it running in screen, so i can ssh back in remotely anyways
[18:03] <RudeViper> that was what I meant - for some reason I could never connect to it - I am looking at the script now - have to modify it as I am not using some of the stuff they are calling for
[18:04] <holstein> RudeViper: then, those modifications can break it.. you will want to troubleshoot that seperately
[18:05] <holstein> RudeViper: the script does basically what i was suggesting.. starts it in screen.. so, you can reconnnect to it over ssh or in a terminal emulator locally
[18:06] <RudeViper> no right now I am just chaning patch etc- files are named differently - I'm not going to change any commands - just path's and file names that I know are correct
[18:06] <holstein> RudeViper: as long as you deal with the assumptions you are making..
[18:10] <RudeViper> I know - just the path to the file and the file name - I'm not even going to worry about the paths to the backups and stuff it is calling for
[18:12] <RudeViper> sorry - takes a little longer - using teamviewer to do this on the other machine - I am on my windows machine at other end of house - lol
[18:16] <RudeViper> rebooting - to get rid of the autostart bit I tried before - If I did this right I should be able to connect via screen if I read this right
[18:18] <holstein> you dont need teamviewer, or x.. or lxde running.. you can do all of this via ssh
[18:18] <holstein> if this is literally only running minecraft
[18:19] <RudeViper> yep minecraft - ok no screen can be found - bugger
[18:19] <holstein> RudeViper: in a terminal, locally.. "screen -x"
[18:19] <holstein> RudeViper: also, "screen -list" will list them.. do you see any listed?
[18:20] <RudeViper> "There is no screen to be attached?
[18:20] <RudeViper> "
[18:20] <holstein> RudeViper: ok.. so, you broke the script, or the script needs something it doenst have
[18:21] <holstein> you also, AFAI, havent tested screen in any way
[18:21] <holstein> AFAIK*
[18:21] <RudeViper> the script isn't initiating the screen
[18:21] <RudeViper> what is afaik?
[18:21] <holstein> RudeViper: sure.. but why?
[18:22] <holstein> AFAIK = as far as i know
[18:22] <holstein> RudeViper: you are assuming the script isnt initiating screen
[18:22] <RudeViper> that I don't know - it is installed - but it doesn't seem to be getting invoked
[18:22] <holstein> RudeViper: so, test that.. break it down.. does screen work? does anything autostart in screen such as top?
[18:23] <RudeViper> hang on - I edited something in the wrong place - but it should have affected screen
[18:24] <holstein> RudeViper: *anything* you do there that breaks that script will cause nothing to start
[18:24] <RudeViper> oh - the reason I use teamviewer is I can't stand using nano over ssh - it's just a pain for me
[18:24] <RudeViper> server is running - it just isn't running in a screen
[18:24] <holstein> RudeViper: you can connect to the machine via ssh and open whatever you like via any text editor
[18:25] <holstein> RudeViper: to run x and lxde for a text editor is not necessary
[18:25] <RudeViper> sudo mc
[18:25] <RudeViper> oops wrong window - lol
[18:25] <holstein> you shouldnt need to navigate files as root
[18:32] <RudeViper> no but I needed to edit it as root - mc has a built in editor I prefer over nano or vim
[18:34] <holstein> RudeViper: you can run mc via ssh without x or lxde
[18:40] <RudeViper> yes
[18:43] <RudeViper> for some reason it isn't invoking screen - running screen -x on the server itself retursn ?Ther is no screen to be attached"
[18:44] <RudeViper> I did a double check and ran apt-get install screen and it says I already have newest version. Apparently I'm not invoking it
[18:46] <RudeViper> I may have found it - I have to add a username to the script and I didn't
[18:52] <jirido> holstein: Thanks for the help yesterday. It is ok now. I dont know what i did really but my resolution problem went away.
[18:54] <RudeViper> holstein - nope no screens to be attached still
[18:56] <Delan82> Lubuntu and Xubuntu. Which system is more lightweight today and better for not new netbook?
[18:57] <pleia2> lubuntu is a lot lighter
[18:58] <Delan82> RazorQT died?
[19:03] <Delan82> any here?
[19:03] <holstein> Delan82: yes.. just ask
[19:03] <holstein> did you not see the message from pleia2 Delan82 ?
[19:04] <holstein> 13:57 < pleia2> lubuntu is a lot lighter
[19:04] <holstein> Delan82: though, both are available in the repo, and you can try them both live on your hardware and see for yourself
[19:04] <holstein> i dont think anyone will argue that lxde is using less resources out of the box
[19:05] <Delan82> I need ubuntu for netbook
[19:05] <Delan82> not new
[19:05] <Delan82> and ubuntu need new
[19:06] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu.. using lxde.. i see you are asking about fluxbox as well.. mane environments are available in the repos
[19:07] <melodie> hi all
[19:07] <melodie> Delan82 how old is your netbook, and which brand and model?
[19:07] <melodie> I have installed an Ubuntu brand for an eeepc 25c a few months ago.
[19:07] <melodie> works fine
[19:08] <Delan82> acer aspire one
[19:08] <melodie> and RazorQT didn't die, it merged with Lxde and they are now all working on developing LXDE QT
[19:08] <melodie> which model Delan82 ?
[19:09] <melodie> is there a number model?
[19:09] <Delan82> i not see
[19:09] <holstein> lxde is a lightweight choice for any netbook
[19:09] <Delan82> 1,6 processor
[19:09] <Delan82> 1 gb ram
[19:10] <Delan82> slow netbook :(
[19:10] <melodie> Delan82 you can use Lubuntu, this will be a good choice
[19:10] <Delan82> i think i cant use lubuntu here :(
[19:10] <Delan82> 100%?
[19:10] <holstein> Delan82: yes, you can.. i have installed it on that machine
[19:10] <melodie> Delan82 of course you can
[19:10] <holstein> Delan82: what is the issue?
[19:11] <melodie> there is way enough ram and cpu power for it
[19:11] <Delan82> i want fast working
[19:11] <melodie> the latest Lubuntu even has the zram module enabled which allows having more ram equivalent
[19:11] <Delan82> and fast load
[19:11] <melodie> aha
[19:11] <holstein> Delan82: nothing makes the machine any faster
[19:11] <holstein> Delan82: i just dont shutdown.. i suspend, then the "load" time is immediate
[19:12] <Delan82> i can install from the win xp?
[19:12] <Delan82> i need 2 systems here
[19:12] <holstein> !install | Delan82
[19:13] <holstein> you can do wubi from xp,, but its not suggested or preffered
[19:13] <holstein> !wubi
[19:14] <Delan82> I have here 2 partitions Win XP anf Android (bad version, nothing no work cant install programms)
[19:14] <holstein> Delan82: the link above shares with you specifics about how to install
[19:15] <holstein> Delan82: what did i do when i installed to that *excact* hardware? i made a usb stick with unetbootin.. i resised the windows partition for the user, and installed lubuntu on the empty space i created
[19:16] <Delan82> no i just want dpwnload iso and install from the xp
[19:16] <melodie> you want to use Wubi?
[19:16] <Delan82> i can have win xp and lubuntu in one partition ntfs?
[19:16] <holstein> Delan82: the second link, related to wubi, is what specifically addresses that, which i dont suggest doing
[19:16] <Delan82> yes wubi ok
[19:16] <melodie> with wubi yes
[19:17] <holstein> Delan82: the method i used *not* using wubi left the user with both XP and lubuntu
[19:17] <melodie> however it's more for some time, maybe not all the time, as it will be seen as any windows file and as such fragment
[19:17] <melodie> whereas on an ext4 partition it wouldn't
[19:18] <Delan82> ehm i cant have 2 systems in one partiton? ntfs
[19:19] <melodie> yes you can
[19:19] <holstein> Delan82: with wubi
[19:19] <Delan82> but lubuntu have nfts driver
[19:19] <holstein> !wubi | Delan82
[19:19] <holstein> Delan82: but, its not suggested.. i suggest dual boot
[19:19] <melodie> what I am explaining you is that on an ext4 partition an real install will be more efficient on a long run
[19:19] <holstein> Delan82: where you have lubuntu in its native filesystem, and windows in its native filesystem.. in seperate partitions
[19:19] <Delan82> wubi not crash win xp?
[19:20] <melodie> holstein I just learned a few things. This uefi thing...
[19:20] <holstein> Delan82: nothing about lubuntu, linux, nor wubi will crash xp.. but, the dual boot is preferred
[19:20] <holstein> Delan82: if you want wubi, read about it and use it
[19:21] <melodie> Delan82 holstein is right. While we are there: please don't forget TO DO A BACKUP OF YOUR DATA ON ANOTHER MEDIA
[19:21] <holstein> a backup is suggested regardless. *all* hard drives fail
[19:21] <Delan82> dual boot its what?
[19:21] <Delan82> i just want have 2 systems in grub
[19:21] <holstein> Delan82: thats dual boot
[19:21] <Delan82> or wingrub
[19:22] <holstein> !install | Delan82
[19:22] <holstein> !dualboot | Delan82
[19:22] <Delan82> wubi will do dual boot?
[19:22] <holstein> Delan82: wubi does waht it does.. as explained at the link, and in many messages above
[19:22] <holstein> Delan82: its a way to install lubuntu inside the windows partition
[19:23] <melodie> wubi installs Ubuntu distributions as if it were merely a Windows program as any other
[19:23] <holstein> Delan82: dual boot, as explained here and in the links above is seperate partitions.. you choose the os you want to boot at the grub menu
[19:23] <melodie> it installs it to c:\ My Programs
[19:23] <Delan82> I want install in folder in C:
[19:23] <holstein> Delan82: then, read about and use wubi, friend
[19:23] <melodie> :)
[19:23] <Delan82> ok
[19:24] <holstein> Delan82: you should backup your data regardless.. and dual boot is the preffered option
[19:24] <Delan82> data cant be crashed
[19:25] <holstein> Delan82: *all* hard drives fail
[19:25] <Delan82> imho
[19:25] <melodie> Delan82 all drives fail.
[19:25] <melodie> holstein is a wise user and admin
[19:25] <holstein> Delan82: that data will be lost at some point, regardless. so, take this opportunity to back up your data and plan for failure
[19:25] <holstein> melodie: :)
[19:26] <melodie> sure! I know you always give the best advice.
[19:26] <holstein> Delan82: it makes no difference your opinion, honest or otherwise.. drives fail
[19:26] <holstein> melodie: not sure about "best", but i try to be honest...
[19:27] <melodie> holstein about failures, I had a nice one lately (but on a system which didn't matter too much so I could test fully a recover method without fear)
[19:27] <melodie> have you heard about the whdd tool?
[19:27]  * holstein googles
[19:27] <melodie> no no
[19:27] <melodie> don't :)
[19:27] <holstein> melodie: i actually havnet used that specific tool
[19:28] <melodie> it's a very low level tool probably written in asm or such and incredible
[19:28] <holstein> i have done similar things with tool in the ultimate boot cd
[19:30] <Delan82> ok thx friends
[19:30] <melodie> I had this 38 Gib drive, all broken and could not be mounted at all
[19:30] <melodie> there were about 6 partitions
[19:32] <melodie> one could not be recovered at all, even with dd
[19:32] <melodie> whdd allowed me copying the how content of the hard drive in one big 38 Gb file, after I asked at the mailing list how to use it (the doc is very minimal, a few videos that don't show much details)
[19:33] <melodie> and from there the dev explained to me, and after I got the one large file, I was pointed to a tool having for name loosetup
[19:33] <melodie> and kpartx
[19:33] <melodie> holstein which tools?
[19:33] <melodie> well, in the whdd mailing list, and on some notes I put on the web, there is a full method ready to work for anyone knowing some command lines and at least used to deal with disk space and partitions. but the most wonderful is that I didn't only get the data recovered but the full systems! I could rsync them to a fresh partition, tweak fstab and grub config and go! :D
[19:33] <melodie> Delan82 welcome. let us know how that works?
[19:34] <Delan82> ok
[19:34] <Delan82> tomorrow i think
[19:34] <Delan82> good night
[20:45] <RudeViper> holstein - I'm back - had to run out for a bit - it's just not invoking screen -
[21:07] <NeoXT> Hello
[21:08] <NeoXT> Lubuntu is good for netbook ?
[21:08] <NeoXT> ?
[21:09] <Unit193> Sure.
[21:09] <RudeViper> Never tried it on netbook - but it is good on a p4 ith 512 mb ram
[21:09] <NeoXT> I am 1 gb ram
[21:10] <NeoXT> Thx
[21:11] <NeoXT> I am french :) My english is very bad sorry
[21:12] <NeoXT> Bye ...
[21:16] <RudeViper> ok lets try this - how can I disable the lxde desktop completely
[21:16] <RudeViper> I want to boot and operate in text mode only
[21:17] <Unit193> Edit /etc/default/grub and add 'test' to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT options.
[21:18] <tux_1> How can I disable the monitor from blanking by command line?
[21:53] <RudeViper> I edited /etc/default/grub and added text to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line - but desktop came up - grrrrrr - maybe I need to reinstall
[21:54] <RudeViper> and yes I deleted "quiet splash" and replaced it with text - lol
[21:54] <RudeViper> sudo mc
[21:54] <RudeViper> wrong window - sorry
[22:14] <Unit193> RudeViper: Then did you  update-grub  ?
[22:39] <RudeViper> um nope- ooooops - lol
[22:39] <RudeViper> forgot about that
[22:41] <RudeViper> rebooting again
[22:43] <RudeViper> ok that worked - thanks
[22:43] <RudeViper> now I just have to figure the rest of this out