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ubottusomsip called the ops in #ubuntu (Mastermaster (continued inane offtopic remarks))02:30
rwwhandling it ^02:31
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rwwI just resurrected one of my old scripts.03:15
rww"Pici's munin site has graphs of the size of the +b list over time, which you may find interesting."03:15
rwwno it doesn't :'(03:15
rwwalso, boring fact of the day, 93% of #ubuntu-offtopic's banlist doesn't have ban authors because lol netsplits03:16
Pici:(03:20
rwwi miss that website Pici, you make me cry :903:21
Picisorry03:21
PiciI accidentally deleted it03:22
phunyguydon't delete my bans plz03:46
phunyguyI need em03:46
Picirww: I'm writing a new irc thing now though03:48
FlannelPici: yeah?  Going to start your own? or just a hostile take over of freenode?03:53
ubottucfhowlett_ called the ops in #ubuntu (dupingping,)04:20
rwwdealing with ^04:20
Picity04:20
Picirww: I threw the guidelines at dupingping today, and perhaps the other day as well.04:24
rwwta. what were they doing then?04:24
PiciThey were repeating a question over and over and not getting the point that they shouldn't do that.04:24
Picithe today one was just a few minutes ago for quoting what looked to be their resume04:25
Pici"I can do this, I can do that"04:25
rwwmhm, just pulled up scrollback04:25
rwwI note prepangolin is on the same IP address, and has been on a few other occasions04:26
Picicurious04:26
h00kmaybe they are flatmates04:27
rwwthey claimed girlfriend in PM with somsip04:27
rwwlanguage barrier too, it seems04:27
Unit193rww: !raring s/supported/support/  ?05:31
ianorlinI found sometihng wrong with ubottu in that !canonical does not list Lubuntu or ubuntu-Gnome05:57
Flannelianorlin: That's not a mistake.  Although since you brought it up, I'm unsure whether Xubuntu should be in that factoid anymore.06:04
ianorlinok06:07
Flannelianorlin: It's because Lubuntu and Ubuntu-Gnome aren't Canonical related.06:07
ianorlinah06:07
Unit193Flannel: I do not think Xubuntu got funding, Kubuntu used to but doesn't any more from Canonical.06:07
Unit193Technically it's Canonical that does the hosting and buildds as well as repo.06:08
FlannelUnit193: I haven't kept up on what is/isn't sponsored/affiliated/whatever, because theres a number of dimensions.06:08
Unit193Actually, the Lubuntu.net website isn't Canonical, but Xubuntu is.06:09
Unit193Flannel: Yes, not really sure, it's complicated.06:09
FlannelSo yes, I would think that Kubuntu might also be due to be removed from that list.06:10
Unit193I could concur, though it may be nice to say that they provide the infrastructure for the !flavors as well.06:11
* ianorlin thinks provides infrastructure for falvors sounds good06:12
rww!raring06:18
ubottuUbuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) was the 18th release of Ubuntu.  Supported ended on January 27, 2014. See !eol, !upgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/raring06:18
rww!-raring06:18
ubotturaring aliases: 13.04, ringtail - added by Pici on 2012-10-18 00:26:11 - last edited by Pici on 2014-01-28 13:57:3406:18
rww!raring =~ s/  Supported/ Support/06:19
ubottuI'll remember that rww06:19
rwwUnit193: thanks06:19
Unit193rww: Thank you.06:19
bazhang* FloodBot1 is now known as Guest4145606:31
rwwyeah, the floodbots got a bit broken during the netsplam06:31
rww... actually, nvm06:32
bazhang* FloodBot2 is now known as Guest5037509:02
bazhangbizarro09:02
bazhangautoremove does not take any arguments iirc09:38
bazhangperhaps he meant purge09:38
Unit193autoremove can be used with or without.09:38
bazhangand the fbots are mia09:40
bazhangday of wonders: 34 lines pasted and no fbot09:44
knomebazhang, you can do --purge autoremove09:50
bazhangwhat about autoremove packagename09:55
knomeno09:56
bazhangie mysql 5.509:56
knomenope, you got to run remove then09:56
bazhangthats what I thought, thanks knome09:56
knomenp09:56
Unit193knome: Then how have I done it?09:57
knomeUnit193, hum?09:57
knomeyou're a weirdo?09:57
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/62429/09:57
knome-s?09:58
knomeright09:58
knomeis that again a new feature?09:58
Unit193Pretty sure not.10:00
Myrttihiya AlanBell_10:00
Unit193(Hint, autoremove --purge for most effect.)  Sometimes autoremove after removing the package will remove stuff that calling the remove with autoremove will miss, oddly.10:01
knomeUnit193, aha.10:03
Unit193Yeah, it's weird.10:03
LjLthe floodbots aren't broken (not more so than usual anyway). i disabled them.12:57
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k1lLjL: Y U hatin floodbots?13:42
LjLi'm not, but since it seems everyone else is, i thought they might as well go13:44
ikoniaI love the floodbots I sing their praises13:44
Tm_TI didn't know there's hate13:45
ikoniaonly love13:45
* Tm_T huggles ikonia and LjL13:45
k1lhmm, i thought  it was because they gone mad in the netsplits or something like that.13:46
ikoniathey did go mental13:46
ikoniabut to be honest, what's to be expected13:46
ikoniathe whole network went bad.13:46
k1lwell, i have gone mad too while the ddos netsplits :)13:46
k1likonia: you really should stop that ddosing ;p13:47
ikoniabrilliant so dupingping in #ubuntu-offtopic just got muted in #freenode for flooding it with pointless stuff13:47
ikoniak1l: nah, it's the one thing I'm good at.13:47
k1lhmm, dupingping rings some bells13:48
LjLi'm just tired of getting unprovoked remarks and arguments at how "bad" and/or "useless" the floodbots are. i don't care about maintaining them anymore, nobody stepped up to, i had to repeatedly bicker in meetings etc for their status... meh.13:48
ikoniaLjL: they are really good.13:48
ikoniathey provide a good function.13:48
IdleOneI need to get to an appointment, no time to talk. LjL please bring back the floodbots. Anybody else who doesn't like them is welcome to step up and provide a equal or better solution. be back a little later.14:00
LjLi think my mental health related to the frustration in responding to the "criticism" could possibly turn out to be more important than bots that are supposed to fight attacks that aren't really happening, when there's actual ops who can do a better job of that14:09
ikoniaI don't think there is a better job14:10
ikoniathey catch the general blurb very well14:10
ikoniait's only a troublesome individual that gets missed by them.14:10
ikoniawhich is where the human element wins14:10
LjLwell let's put it like this, a "break" from using them was suggested, i implemented it. if the ircc wants them back - at large, though, not just informally "put them back" on here, then i guess the experimental break may be put aside14:12
PiciMaybe theres a lack of people praising the job of the floodbots, but that is only because we're so used to them.  I'm not sure I could go back to the old days of having to mute people manually and all that.14:12
phunyguy^14:12
PiciLjL: The only break that was discussed (to my knowledge) was due to the 'new' way that freenode handles webchat bans.  The other features of the floodbots are definitely needed.14:13
LjLPici, well, all i know is i periodically get shit from staffers and our ops about how they're useless in the first place, and #ubuntu doesn't have attack that need stopping - which is so frustrating to even reply to because i *know* the reason i originally made the bots was that we had to +r *all the time* due to GNAA and similar attacks. but i get a "that seems doubtful" as a response14:13
phunyguyLjL: I could take a look at the FloodBot code at some point to see if it is something I can help with14:14
LjLso hey if people want to change history and pretend this was never useful and just a paranoid concoction of mine... i'm not going to play the part of the fool14:14
phunyguy:(14:14
LjLPici, i think IdleOne should have the logs of the particular incident i'm referring to. i probably don't because it was during the netsplit frenzy, and i was talking through not-my-computer. but, it's not the only incident of that kind, for sure. as i said, it's something that periodically gets raised.14:16
ikoniaLjL: I fought hard to get the floodbots left in place, even when you where disputing with the team and threatening to take them away14:17
ikoniaLjL: I genuinly value them.14:17
PiciMe too14:17
PiciAs much as I joke about them being php, I do value them.14:18
LjLwell, when i was "threatening" to take them away, i was accused of blackmail and such (of course it's my code, but hey). so now i'm not threatening anything, i've just taken them away. discuss it openly, and i'll bring them back if there's widespread agreement.14:18
ikoniano-one said you where threatening anything now, I'm just trying to show you that I valued them14:19
LjLikonia, but it was said at the time. in pretty strong ways. my memory is a bit messed up by meds, but it still works a bit.14:19
ikoniaLjL: beause it was true14:19
ikoniait was a blackmail situation - if this doesn't change I'll take the bots14:20
ikoniaseems it needs a clear decision from the council if we want them / not14:20
LjLright so i was wrong about doing it like that14:20
LjLso this time there is no "if this doesn't change"14:20
ikoniaand if people critiquing them bothers you, I guess you need to decide if you can live with it before offering it14:20
ikoniaI know, no-one is saying any such threat has been made.14:21
ikoniaI was just showing that I fought for them even when it wasn't in our interest14:21
ikoniabecause they are good14:21
phunyguyLjL: I would be glad to help with them if you don't have much time/interest.14:22
LjLthere was a Launchpad project with the source that people could ask to access, but then Canonical sent me an email stating that "private" projects could only continue being offered on a paid basis, and i did nothing, so i think it got locked14:22
phunyguyI would just need to learn whatever language they are written in, but shouldn't be too hard.14:22
phunyguyare they Python?14:23
dupingpinghello!14:23
ikoniaLjL: maybe we could look at setting up a private SVN/GIT repo or something to sort that out14:23
dupingpingyes14:23
phunyguyhi dupingping, how can we help you?14:23
dupingpingah~14:23
dupingping#ubuntu-offtopic is died.14:24
ikoniadupingping: I banned you and removed you from #ubuntu-offtopic14:24
dupingpingi want to join it.14:24
LjLphunyguy: no, PHP14:24
LjLphunyguy: and very messy14:24
phunyguyLjL: even better14:24
ikoniadupingping: you kept just hilighting people for no reason, LjL had asked you to stop14:24
phunyguyLjL I was a perl guy14:24
dupingping+ikonia: why?14:24
ikoniadupingping: you also got muted in #freenode for flooding it, so I have to assume your intention is to cause a problem rather than participate in the channel.14:25
dupingpingah~14:25
phunyguygoing to agree with ikonia here.  I saw it in #freenode.14:25
dupingpingplease help me!14:25
dupingpingi am a poor beginner!14:25
ikoniayes, you've said that multiple times14:25
ikoniabut you've also been asked not to do something - and you do it14:25
ikoniathat's not being a beginner, thats ignoring instructions/advice.14:25
dupingpingoh?14:26
dupingpingi am a python developer!14:26
ikoniathat has nothing to do with anything14:26
phunyguydupingping: I suggest you start taking some of the advice you are given.14:26
phunyguyif not all.14:26
ikoniaI suggest finding another channel to talk in, maybe one that uses your native language.14:26
dupingping您好14:28
dupingpingplease help me!14:28
phunyguyI think we are done here.14:28
LjL:(14:28
ikoniadupingping: what's your native language ?14:28
dupingpingit's chinese.14:29
LjLchinese is my guess14:29
ikoniaa good guess14:29
dupingpingthen?14:29
phunyguy您好 = Hello14:29
dupingpingyes! hahaha14:29
ikoniatry #chinese14:29
ikoniathat is a chinese chat room14:29
dupingpingyes?14:29
dupingpingi hate chinese!14:30
dupingpingi learn english!14:30
ikoniatry ##english then14:30
ikoniagood place to learn / talk about English language14:30
dupingpingi want to join in #ubuntu-offtopic14:30
ikoniadupingping: you can't14:31
LjLdupingping, i think you need to understand English better, to follow rules in #ubuntu-offtopic.  So, yes, please use ##English for a while... I am there, and it is a very nice channel!14:31
dupingpingwhy?14:31
dupingpingok ok14:31
dupingpingi'll sleep!14:32
phunyguyGoodnight, sir14:33
phunyguyPlease /part the channel when you go.14:33
dupingpingGoodnight, everyboard.14:33
dupingpingGoodnight, everybody.14:33
dupingpingit's my mistake14:33
phunyguyLjL: if you feel up to it, you can PM me a link with some code, I don't mind if it is messy.  I can tinker with them in my own channel.14:36
ikoniareally "microsoft_" is an offensive nickname and needs to be changed ?16:57
PiciPeople are annoying today.16:57
ikoniaI'm getting very fed up with MonkeyDust's actual help of people.16:57
bazhang<MonkeyDust> microsoft_  your nick is offensive and disturbing, please change it17:01
bazhangwth17:01
phunyguyindeed.17:01
phunyguyI am guilty of similar mistakes, so I can't say much17:01
LjL-CardMonkeyDust and ActionParsnip are the new Marvel heros17:01
bazhangif it was M$sux I could see it, but ....17:02
ikoniaha ha17:02
ikoniaactionparsnip can actually help though17:02
ikoniamonkeydust just quotes google articles at people as his own17:02
ikonia(mostly)17:02
raznikHello.17:13
raznikI was banned by ikonia for doing nothing.17:13
IdleOneLjL: I don't know who suggested this break from using the bots. I don't recall it being me.17:16
bazhang#ubuntu: 2014-02-04T17:08:20 <raznik> please shut up, Pici. it is related with Ubuntu.17:17
PiciTo be honest, I had no idea what they were talking about.17:17
bazhangraznik augh he quit17:17
ikoniagood17:17
PiciIt just didn't sound like Ubuntu.17:17
bazhangdealxi?17:17
bazhangdealextreme17:18
PiciThe antenna stuff17:20
LjLIdleOne, Pici: http://privatepaste.com/f0649bc9a3/sb45y17:34
IdleOneLjL: yes I remember it quite clearly.17:35
LjLthen you know who suggested it...?17:35
IdleOneI remember that part now.17:36
IdleOneI wish you would have talked to me before pulling them though17:37
IdleOnenot saying you can't do what you want with the code after all it is yours.17:38
PiciLjL: adran isn't an op17:38
LjLi couldn't care less, i've got enough of this from ops, ex-ops, staff, ex-staff17:38
ikoniaok - so lets get used to life without the floodbots17:38
ikoniathey did a great job, but if they are no longer available, lets deal with it and move on17:38
IdleOneIMHO the floodbots do more good and help us more than most people think.17:38
LjLthen maybe it will be nice if they are reminded, eh17:39
bazhang"tough love"17:39
ikoniadon't think so17:39
ikoniacan't have it run like that17:39
bazhangbaby dont hurt me17:39
ikoniaI'm unhappy so I'll punish the channel to make individuals realise17:39
ikoniaso lets drop the floodbots despite their qualities and move on17:39
LjLyep, indeed, no matter what i do, i'm either a fool or malicious, so, this camp can fuck off, and the other camp can fuck off17:40
IdleOneerr17:40
ikoniasorry but that is fact17:40
ikoniayou removed the bots from the channels17:41
ikoniano-one else did that17:41
ikoniaso if it's going to be at the whim of an individual we should get used to not having them17:41
IdleOneI would rather you bring the bots back and we work on either opening the code or implementing a different solution.17:41
k1l_you only know what you got till its gone.17:41
LjLIdleOne: look at the train. it's gone.17:41
ikoniaI know what it is, it was a quality useful tool17:41
bazhangbig yellow taxi17:41
k1l_so i dont see a "problem" with the floodbots. (besides technical stuff i dont see anyway)17:42
LjLIdleOne, seriously, the code has been there for... what, a year? two? for people to chime in and "open the code" or "implement a different solution". rww didn't even KNOW that, despite, i believe, it being publicly advertized.17:42
LjLhow long am i supposed to wait still (while being mocked at random)? half a decade, just to be sure?17:43
ikoniano-one is mocking you17:43
LjLis "step down considerably" supposed to be in slow motion?17:43
LjLikonia: you mean no-one except the ones that are?17:43
IdleOneLjL: If that is what you want to do, pull the bots, that is fine with me. I want you to understand that there are people who appreciate the bots and what they do.17:43
PiciLjL: then give us a deadline17:43
LjLPici: yesterday17:44
PiciLjL: thanks17:44
k1l_well, would a "call for coders" help? like a call for operators the irrc does17:44
LjLk1l_: THAT'S WHAT I DID17:44
LjLA YEAR AGO17:44
Picithis did happen17:45
IdleOneLjL: phunyguy has expressed interest in helping with them, again this is up to you, but if you are willing to work with him and get this started. That would be great17:45
IdleOneit did and nobody was interested then, now we have someone who is.17:45
PiciLjL: I understand your frustration, but is there really something that you are actively doing to keep the floodboots up and running?17:46
ikoniaLjL: would you allow me to take a copy of the code and host it on an internal server for the team17:46
ikoniathat way it's off your plate/hands17:46
ikoniaI appreciate the launchpad solution crippled any effort17:46
ikonia(along with a lack of interest)17:46
k1l_LjL: ok, i didnt know that. besides i am not a coder and i dont think i can help with that i try to help that situation with some brainstorming. maybe we need to call to a broader audience and not just the typic op and #ubuntu* friends? like a post on planet.ubuntu ?17:47
ikoniaposting the code would be unacceptable17:47
ikoniathats the reason it's being controlled17:47
PiciDoes it need to be?17:47
ikoniaI think so yes17:48
ikonialjl made a pretty good case initially as I recall to keep it to a small list17:48
ikonia(list of people)17:48
IdleOneLjL: I know this was explained before but could you tell us again why it was made a private project?17:48
ikoniahe didn't17:48
ikonianon-open projects are paid process17:48
IdleOneexplained a year ago*17:48
ikonia(on launchpad)17:49
RobKardashian_did kim kardashian spread her pussy for kayne west?17:49
LjLIdleOne: because the source code wasn't supposed to be opened up until someone stepped up to clean it?17:51
* phunyguy steps up17:51
phunyguyI don't know PHP, but syntax is all I don't know.17:52
IdleOneLjL: is there anything in the source that shouldn't be available to all eyes is what i am asking?17:52
LjLanyway the answer is no, i'm fed up, with Ubuntu, with the ops team, with people who "know better", and so on. there's been all the chances in the world to get them opened up through a "process", now *at most*, all that's going to happen is that if in a while, the IRCC thinks these are still useful after the "break", they can decide to ask me to re-enable them, and then we start from there. but if it's unacceptable for one individual to control them, then17:52
LjLwrite replacements.17:52
LjLIdleOne: yes17:52
ikoniaLjL: it's not unacceptable for an individual to control them, but it's a problem when you take them away / bring them back at your own decision.17:54
ikoniaI don't mind you running the bots, infact I'm thankful for it,17:54
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k1l_@mark #ubuntu govno misusing the supportchannel to find people click on his ref-link19:22
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