[00:44] <mgw> I'm having an issue related to conffiles with a package I've built.
[00:45] <mgw> Any packaging gurus around?
[00:46] <Patrickdk> hmm?
[00:46] <Patrickdk> !ask
[00:48] <mgw> Patrickdk: thanks… the issue is this: depending on the order of dh_installinit and dh_installdeb, the /etc/ files are either always updated or never updated. What I want is for dpkg to ask whether to replace if and only if both files have changed. I thought this was default behavior for conffiles.
[00:48] <mgw> (thank you ubottu, also ;-) )
[01:10] <Patrickdk> hmm, there is a packaging channel that could answer that better
[01:10] <Patrickdk> but I can't think of it's name
[01:11] <Patrickdk> that is just alittle above my limited packaging ability :)
[01:11] <teward> #ubuntu-packaging probably
[01:11] <teward> Patrickdk: you mean that channel?
[01:11] <teward> ;)
[01:11] <Patrickdk> dunno
[01:12] <teward> that's the packaging help channel
[01:12] <Patrickdk> maybe, maybe #launchpad
[01:12] <teward> well, no, not #launchpad
[01:12] <Patrickdk> it's been several years
[01:12] <teward> #launchpad's kinda launchpad-only now
[01:12] <teward> #ubuntu-packaging's where I send people for general packaging help
[01:12] <teward> (and where the packaging help channel seems to be)
[01:12] <teward> mgw: maybe try asking in #ubuntu-packaging
[01:12] <teward> but be patient, responses won't be fast
[01:13] <mgw> Patrickdk, teward: thanks, I'll check there
[06:07] <MarGul> Is it safe to go with the ondrej PPA if my server currently is running nginx? Because I see that it is installing some apache software as well
[06:49] <bapestore> where are mounted items at? like cdrom, ehdd directories?
[07:16] <hitsujiTMO> bapestore: mount                  will list all mount points
[07:17] <bapestore> hitsujiTMO: thanks
[07:17] <bapestore> i think i typed mnt /mnt/cdrom /mnt
[07:17] <bapestore> and it worked. hitsujiTMO
[07:22] <bapestore> When installing server in a virtualbox, how does my host connect to its httpd server through localhost.domain?
[07:43] <wizard-pc> i'm on amd64 ubuntu server13.10. Is there an installation guide on tftp server to install win7 through this server onto another machine in the network
[07:53] <Tazmain> Hi all I am using ubuntu server 12.04.1 LTS how do I disable gdm from starting up ?
[07:57] <hitsujiTMO> Tazmain: no need to ask that question in 2 channels. we're answering you in #ubuntu
[09:23] <wizard_A> in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot i see /etc/dnsmasq.conf but in ubuntu13.10 server i do not any such file??
[10:56] <rbasak> yolanda: do you want to take bug 1276032? Since I spoke to upstream/Debian about monitoring plugins, the Debian maintainer has been quite interested in making sure that Ubuntu stays up-to-date - but he's not familiar with the merging process. So I asked him to file merge bugs as appropriate when he thinks we should catch up.
[10:56] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagios-plugins/+bug/1276032
[10:56] <yolanda> rbasak, sure
[10:57] <yolanda> i can take a look this afternoon
[10:57] <rbasak> Thanks!
[10:57] <yolanda> np
[11:24] <rbasak> roaksoax: fyi, bug 1248054 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dlm/+bug/1248054
[11:24] <rbasak> Looks like it's pretty broken.
[13:59] <zul> hallyn:  this is something we need http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=patch;h=6e5c79a1b5a8b3a23e7df7ffe58fb272aa17fbfb
[14:04] <hallyn> zul: looks like
[14:05] <zul> hallyn:  ill get it today
[14:07] <hallyn> thx
[14:08] <hallyn> i guess i need to start this qemu merge
[14:53] <jo-erlend> I have a weird networking issue. I've taken som old junk and built a server from a fruit case. Quite perfect. Since I don't have a monitor cable, I used the disk as a raw device in vbox, installed Ubuntu with openssh-server there and then mounted the disk in the fruit case. It boots and responds to pings. However, I get connection refused form sshd all the time. When I take the disk back into the desktop and boot with vbox, I connect
[14:53] <jo-erlend> just fine.
[14:53] <jo-erlend> any ideas?
[14:55] <mardraum> udev and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ?
[14:55] <sarnold> jo-erlend: egress firewalling on your outgoing ssh connections?
[14:56] <jo-erlend> why would this apply only to one of my computers? I haven't configured any of this. Was something changed in 12.04.3?
[14:57] <jo-erlend> I did the exact same thing to another computer a week ago and that worked perfectly.
[14:58] <sarnold> jo-erlend: dunno, it doesn't make much sense. i'd expect it to work as you experienced the first time aroud..
[14:58] <jo-erlend> I think it's very strange.
[15:01] <jo-erlend> oh.. We're at 12.04.4 now?
[15:01] <sarnold> I think 12.04.4 is thursday?
[15:05] <jo-erlend> sarnold, ok. It says 12.04.4 when I log in.
[15:13] <tomixxx> hi, i have the following set up: an ubuntu server is connected via switch to two nodes. moreover, the server is connected via another network interface to the internet. the "interfaces" file looks as follow: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6873464/ The question now is: How is it possible that the NODES get internet access?
[15:13] <tomixxx> So, eth1 connects my server to the i-net and eth0 connects my-server to the two nodes
[15:13] <tomixxx> And both nodes need internet access
[15:15] <tomixxx> how could i achieve this? ;)
[15:18] <sarnold> jo-erlend: hunh. very odd. did you grab it from a daily iso or similar?
[15:19] <jo-erlend>  sarnold, no, it's the 12.04.3 image.
[15:19] <jo-erlend> uhm. I did install upgrades though.
[15:19] <jo-erlend> but the ssh issue was there before I installed those upgrades.
[15:20] <sarnold> tomixxx: investigate masquerading, snat, dnat.
[15:21] <tomixxx> sarnold: so this cannot be achieved with bridges?
[15:21] <jo-erlend> hmm. It doesn't reply to http either. Why?
[15:22] <raub> Why is there an freeipa client package for ubuntu? Isn't freeipa as far as a client is concerned garden-variety ldap+kerberos+sprinkles?
[15:25] <sarnold> tomixxx: it can if you have sufficient IPs
[15:28] <tomixxx> sarnold: k, i have no idea if i have sucfficient IPs
[15:29] <jrwren> tomixxx: teh server which is connected to the internet would act as a NAT router. You'd set a default gateway on those 10.0.0.9 to the server.
[15:29] <jrwren> tomixxx: what kind of OS does the server run?
[15:29] <tomixxx> jrwren: ubuntu server 12.04.3
[15:29] <sarnold> tomixxx: ah, I see you're in #juju too getting some advice there :)
[15:30] <sarnold> tomixxx: most people asking that kind of question are aiming at sharing an internet connection
[15:30] <jrwren> is that not the case here?
[15:30] <sarnold> tomixxx: do you have another router on your network doing NAT? or is this machine going to be your external-facing firewall?
[15:30] <tomixxx> jrwren: no, i want to deploy a private cloud
[15:31] <jrwren> tomixxx: openstack?
[15:31] <tomixxx> sarnold: not sure, however, eth1 connects me to the "university network"
[15:31] <tomixxx> jrwren: yes
[15:32] <jrwren> tomixxx: dhclient -i eth1 ?
[15:32] <sarnold> openstack on three machines? o_O
[15:32] <tomixxx> sarnold: 2 nodes, 1 server
[15:32] <tomixxx> sarnold: so, yes, ressource are limited right now
[15:33] <tomixxx> jrwren: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6873601/
[15:34] <jrwren> oh, I guess I remembered it wrong.
[15:34] <jrwren> sorry tomixxx
[15:34] <jrwren> gl hf
[15:34] <jrwren> #openstack might help too
[15:35] <jrwren> but in general, i've found wiht openstack you are largely on your own, trying things, failing, digging through docs, fixing things.
[15:35] <jrwren> its a steep learning curve
[15:35] <tomixxx> jrwren: i have to write my master thesis and the topic is cloud computing :-)
[15:35] <sarnold> I love the bit that starts "for an HA openstack cluster, you'll need at least 28 machines..."
[15:38] <tomixxx> jeepi, i have passed an exam :-)
[15:43] <jrwren> an exam?
[15:43] <tomixxx> jrwren: y, exam on the university
[15:43] <jrwren> tomixxx: that is a pretty wide topic for a masters thesis. Do you have a more detailed topic?
[15:44] <tomixxx> jrwren: yes, the goal is to parallelize NLP tasks with cloud computing and to investigate, which cloud provider is best in terms of a few indicators
[15:45] <jrwren> ah, interesting.
[15:45] <jrwren> public and private? how many public and privates will you be considering?
[15:45] <tomixxx> at the moment, microsoft azure, amazon webservices as public clouds and one private cloud, at the moment Maas+openstack
[15:47] <jrwren> tomixxx: sounds interesting. link me to your publication when you are done :)
[15:48] <tomixxx> jrwren: kk, hopefully, i will finish some day
[15:50] <vlad_starkov> Question: Choosing between Ubuntu/CentOS/OpenSUSE which OS is better for KVM host?
[15:51] <jrwren> vlad_starkov: you are asking in #ubuntu-server so you are trolling. of course the answer is ubuntu
[15:52] <vlad_starkov> jrwren: OK, I just looked for fair answer :)
[15:53] <jrwren> vlad_starkov: my fair answer is still ubuntu
[15:53] <jrwren> centos exists for people who have to deal with rhel and commercial support.
[15:53] <jrwren> opensuse, I know nothing about.
[15:53] <jrwren> just run ubuntu-server, it is very good.
[15:54] <jrwren> not to mention good at openstack which does much more than KVM host
[15:54] <vlad_starkov> jrwren: open stack is the goal, but first things first – kvm
[15:55] <vlad_starkov> jrwren: it turned out that I cant boot Ubuntu Server on my specific hardware (it throws with CPU soft lockups errors and does not boot)
[15:55] <sarnold> vlad_starkov: dang, no fix there? :(
[15:55] <vlad_starkov> sarnold: nope, still...
[15:56] <vlad_starkov> sarnold: when does Ubuntu plan to release next stable with fresher kernel?
[15:56] <sarnold> vlad_starkov: a day or two, iirc
[15:57] <sarnold> vlad_starkov: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-February/001077.html
[15:58] <sarnold> vlad_starkov: well, I've never used centos, so it might be unfair to judge, but I've never been a big fan of red hat's "there's only one way to do something" philosophy, they often picked tools I didn't care for. If ubuntu wasn't an option, I'd try opensuse before trying centos.
[15:59] <vlad_starkov> sarnold: 12.04.4 is the latest LTS release. But any news on 14.0 LTS?
[16:01] <sarnold> vlad_starkov: 12.04.4 will come with a refreshed kernel
[16:01] <sarnold> vlad_starkov: 14.04 will come in another two or two and a half months
[16:02] <jrwren> 14.04 will be end of April
[16:02] <vlad_starkov> sarnold: do you knwo which kernel will be in 12.04?
[16:02] <jrwren> vlad_starkov: if you are just doing KVM, i see little reason to use LTS.
[16:03] <vlad_starkov> jrwren: 13.04 doesn't work for me too
[16:04] <sarnold> vlad_starkov: it'll be based on the 13.10 kernel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2013-November/034753.html
[16:04] <jrwren> vlad_starkov: what about 13.10 ?
[16:04] <jrwren> vlad_starkov: what hardware are you using that none of these kernels work?
[16:05] <sarnold> jrwren: supermicro motherboard, iirc..
[16:06] <vlad_starkov> jrwren: that's a strange issue with my hardware over there
[16:06] <jrwren> its rather unbelievable to be honest.
[16:09] <vlad_starkov> sarnold: is it possible to make custom build of Ubuntu Server 12.04.4 64bit with a fresher kernel?
[16:10] <jrwren> sure, its possible, but it is a lot of work.
[16:13] <vlad_starkov> jrwren: I think I eventually will try all of them booting from USB flash and see which one will boot correctly
[16:14] <vlad_starkov> I love Ubuntu and actually not to be too happy to switch to another OS
[16:22] <vlad_starkov> Thanks for your advices. I think I'll try all of them.
[17:26] <tomixxx3> i have tried to NAT the traffic from the LXC bridge to the internet-capable network interface eth1: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874102
[17:26] <tomixxx3> but it does not work, this means the lxc containers cannot be created because they fail to download sth
[17:26] <tomixxx3> maybe i have misconfigured sth in the interface file?
[17:28] <jmedina> tomixxx3: are you sure ip forwarding is enabled?
[17:28] <jmedina> or that the nat rule is loaded?
[17:28] <tomixxx3> jmedina: how do i check this?
[17:29] <jmedina> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[17:30] <jmedina> and
[17:30] <jmedina> iptables -t nat -L -v -n
[17:30] <jmedina> and by the way
[17:30] <jmedina> I dont see any default gateway in your setup
[17:31] <jmedina> sorry, that is by dhcp
[17:31] <tomixxx3> cat ... returns me "1"
[17:33] <tomixxx3> and "iptables -t nat -L -v -n" prints the following: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874148
[17:37] <hallyn> zul: smb: does xen on ubuntu use the stock qemu, or a xen-customized one?
[17:37] <tomixxx3> jmedina: so, port-forwarding from that side should working?
[17:37] <smb> hallyn, depends... :-P
[17:38] <smb> hallyn, When using the xm toolstack a xen-customized one. Starting with Saucy and Xen-4.3 and using xl its the stock qemu
[17:38] <hallyn> smb: i'm being told (on oftc#debian-qemu) that seabios is about to break qemu in xen
[17:39] <hallyn> smb: (not sure if you want to join there :)
[17:39] <smb> hallyn, hm... not either sure... :)
[17:40] <hallyn> don't be shy :)
[17:40] <smb> hallyn, What they mean by is "about to"
[17:40] <hallyn> at next debian upload i think
[17:41] <smb> hallyn, Its less shyness and more the eagerness to start joining channels latish... If it must be...
[18:52] <hallyn> zul: have you pushed that new libvirt yet?
[18:52] <hallyn> zul: if not, could you add http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commit;h=29ea437e408e441bad67e4ffae731286d356ca4a ?
[18:53] <zul> hallyn:  not yet
[18:53] <zul> hallyn:  sure
[18:53] <hallyn> thx
[18:55] <hallyn> hm wait, didn't i already take that one?
[18:56] <hallyn> zul: yeah never mind, that's already in there
[19:45] <hallyn> zul: do you have any objections to my dropping the symlinks for kvm-nbd and kvm-img?
[19:48] <hallyn> (cause i'm doing it :)
[19:48] <zul> hallyn:  context?
[19:49] <hallyn> zul: kvm-nbd and kvm-img are symlinks to qemu-nbd and qemu-img.  I'm going to dro pthem in the next qemu merge from debian
[19:50] <zul> hallyn:  thats fine
[19:50] <hallyn> k
[19:50] <hallyn> i actually could at this point turn them into one tree for both jessie and trusty, but mjt convinced me merges are simple enough not to do it yet.
[20:19] <snori74> Hi, LTS12.04 box booted on kernel 3.8.0-35 gives "gave up waiting for root". Only able to resolve by reverting to 3.8.0-34. Any idea why - or how to best resolve this?
[22:37] <Dry_Lips> I
[22:38] <Dry_Lips> I'm unsure about what the correct SPF record would be.... v=spf1 mx include:domain.com ~all      or     v=spf1 mx include:domain.com -all
[22:38] <Dry_Lips> in other words, - or ~ ?
[22:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Is anyone aware of a bug or work item to update config files for apache2 in 14.04 for the new authz parameters?
[22:47] <FunnyLookinHat> I can't find one - wondering if I should file or if I'm searching incorrectly
[23:21] <rostam> Hi I have created a deb pkgs which once a while when I want to upgrade it I get the following error: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct". I have not done any thing that could cause interruption. Is there anyway I can get more information on what has gone wrong? thx